Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Insane_Homer]

Matt Hancock declares that taxpayer funded NHS contracts dished out to his pub landlord mate, his horsey friend, his sister's company and the brother of the woman he is shagging are all legit and most definitely aren't cronyism or corruption.

[fishfoodie]

Best of luck finding any of these corruption stories on the Beebs web site; certainly not on the front page.

[Margin__Walker]

Best of luck finding any of these corruption stories on the Beebs web site; certainly not on the front page.

Just looked on the mobile app. Party thing is near the top and JRM further down.

[Slick]

Best of luck finding any of these corruption stories on the Beebs web site; certainly not on the front page.

Just looked on the mobile app. Party thing is near the top and JRM further down.

I don’t know why people still do this, it’s ALWAYS on the BBC

[Margin__Walker]

Best of luck finding any of these corruption stories on the Beebs web site; certainly not on the front page.

Just looked on the mobile app. Party thing is near the top and JRM further down.

I don’t know why people still do this, it’s ALWAYS on the BBC

Yeah, If something is genuinely newsworthy, I tend to find it's is on the BBC somewhere.

[fishfoodie]

Just looked on the mobile app. Party thing is near the top and JRM further down.

I don’t know why people still do this, it’s ALWAYS on the BBC

Yeah, If something is genuinely newsworthy, I tend to find it's is on the BBC somewhere.

It may be; but it's interesting to see what the editors put, "above the fold", & what gets shoveled off to the UK page; & ask if you agree with their definition of the relative importance.

[I like neeps]

https://www.ft.com/content/43a7c941-e74 ... 611be77291

This is a surprise.

[fishfoodie]

So how long has Hancock got ?

I just saw the clip from Preston; & he looks like a hedgehog seeing the artic ten feet away.

[GogLais]

So how long has Hancock got ?

I just saw the clip from Preston; & he looks like a hedgehog seeing the artic ten feet away.

Another one saying he’s sorry for what he’s done when he means he’s sorry he got caught. True of most of us?

[Dinsdale Piranha]

https://www.ft.com/content/43a7c941-e74 ... 611be77291

This is a surprise.

In expectation of a raise in CG tax, I realised a load of gains this year. Big tax bill due on that next year.

Oh well, you win some, you lose some.

[Biffer]

https://www.ft.com/content/43a7c941-e74 ... 611be77291

This is a surprise.

In expectation of a raise in CG tax, I realised a load of gains this year. Big tax bill due on that next year.

Oh well, you win some, you lose some.

Worst thing they ever did to CG tax was to get rid of the time based tiered rates. Can’t remember if it was the Tories ofr Labour that did it.

[I like neeps]

Re Andrew Marr he's joined the New Statesman as PolEd and Stephen Bush (who is really very good) is joining the FT.

[SaintK]

So confusion reigns as usual with this shower

Oliver Dowden has said he doesn’t plan to cancel the Conservatives’ Christmas party which he said is still planned to take place.
He told BBC Breakfast: “I think it is still planned, and I don’t intend to cancel it as chairman of the Conservative Party.”

Meanwhile, government departments were reportedly cancelling Christmas parties yesterday, ignoring calls by the prime minister to go ahead with them.
The Times reports “Omi-shambles in Whitehall” as multiple government departments call off festive celebrations.
The education department has already suspended plans for its annual talent show, reports the newspaper, and the business department has decided against putting on a staff Christmas party.

[SaintK]

Raab believing what a serial liar tells him

A “formal party” in Downing Street last December would have been contrary to Covid-19 guidance, the justice secretary Dominic Raab has admitted, saying it would have been “the wrong thing to do”.
But the lord chancellor told BBC One’s The Andrew Marr Show he had been assured by Boris Johnson that no rules had been broken over the reported gathering last year, despite reports from multiple sources across several newspapers.

[Lobby]

Raab believing what a serial liar tells him

A “formal party” in Downing Street last December would have been contrary to Covid-19 guidance, the justice secretary Dominic Raab has admitted, saying it would have been “the wrong thing to do”.
But the lord chancellor told BBC One’s The Andrew Marr Show he had been assured by Boris Johnson that no rules had been broken over the reported gathering last year, despite reports from multiple sources across several newspapers.

[I like neeps]

Bad news for Michael Gove.

[Sandstorm]

Bad news for Michael Gove.

Fucking idiots. Forcing crims and users further away from the mainstream. Just legalise and tax it. And help heroine addicts, it’s a disease.

Tory voters in the 70s being courted here.

[fishfoodie]

Bad news for Michael Gove.

Fucking idiots. Forcing crims and users further away from the mainstream. Just legalise and tax it. And help heroine addicts, it’s a disease.

Tory voters in the 70s being courted here.

What do you expect with the Home Secretary you have ?

She only knows one trick; & she make Norman Tebbit look like the Dalai Lama

[I like neeps]

The Met are so stupid. "We don't Investigate crimes retrospectively"... No! Just say you don't covid breaches retrospectively. How bad are they at PR?!

[petej]

Bad news for Michael Gove.

Fucking idiots. Forcing crims and users further away from the mainstream. Just legalise and tax it. And help heroine addicts, it’s a disease.

Tory voters in the 70s being courted here.

The politics of this country has been dominated by the whims of the 70+ for the last 10 years. The country behaves likes it's senile because it is. Not a snowballs chance in hell that the NI rise would have been accepted by the boomers when they were working.

[tabascoboy]

Wait, we have a 1 year Statute of Limitations or something now when it's "convenient"?

[dpedin]

Bad news for Michael Gove.

Fucking idiots. Forcing crims and users further away from the mainstream. Just legalise and tax it. And help heroine addicts, it’s a disease.

Tory voters in the 70s being courted here.

The politics of this country has been dominated by the whims of the 70+ for the last 10 years. The country behaves likes it's senile because it is. Not a snowballs chance in hell that the NI rise would have been accepted by the boomers when they were working.

This is the bad news for Gove! However if it retrospective use then the Met will let anyone caught off the hook?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59539589

[GogLais]

Bad news for Michael Gove.

Fucking idiots. Forcing crims and users further away from the mainstream. Just legalise and tax it. And help heroine addicts, it’s a disease.

Tory voters in the 70s being courted here.

The politics of this country has been dominated by the whims of the 70+ for the last 10 years. The country behaves likes it's senile because it is. Not a snowballs chance in hell that the NI rise would have been accepted by the boomers when they were working.

I dunno but it seems that me that parties make assumptions about our selfishness that mightn’t be correct. I’d be perfectly content if the extra cost of social care was funded by tax instead of NI.

[GogLais]

Wait, we have a 1 year Statute of Limitations or something now when it's "convenient"?

In fairness to Raab - and you won’t read that often - I think it was the case that many instances of rule breaking were dealt with by warnings and an instruction to stop whatever it was people were doing wrong. I’d distinguish between the possibly criminal and hypocrisy aspects of the issue.

[JM2K6]

Wait, we have a 1 year Statute of Limitations or something now when it's "convenient"?

In fairness to Raab - and you won’t read that often - I think it was the case that many instances of rule breaking were dealt with by warnings and an instruction to stop whatever it was people were doing wrong. I’d distinguish between the possibly criminal and hypocrisy aspects of the issue.

A shit ton of people got hefty fines.

[petej]

Fucking idiots. Forcing crims and users further away from the mainstream. Just legalise and tax it. And help heroine addicts, it’s a disease.

Tory voters in the 70s being courted here.

The politics of this country has been dominated by the whims of the 70+ for the last 10 years. The country behaves likes it's senile because it is. Not a snowballs chance in hell that the NI rise would have been accepted by the boomers when they were working.

I dunno but it seems that me that parties make assumptions about our selfishness that mightn’t be correct. I’d be perfectly content if the extra cost of social care was funded by tax instead of NI.

The biggest divide in politics in the UK is age. Tories have done a cracking job dividing and conquering. Obviously not all old people vote Tory and not all young vote Labour.

[GogLais]

Wait, we have a 1 year Statute of Limitations or something now when it's "convenient"?

In fairness to Raab - and you won’t read that often - I think it was the case that many instances of rule breaking were dealt with by warnings and an instruction to stop whatever it was people were doing wrong. I’d distinguish between the possibly criminal and hypocrisy aspects of the issue.

A shit ton of people got hefty fines.

May well be so but I suspect a load didn’t. Are the Met going to investigate many other cases of Covid rule breaking a year after the event or just ones that happen to now have a higher profile?

[tabascoboy]

May well be so but I suspect a load didn’t. Are the Met going to investigate many other cases of Covid rule breaking a year after the event or just ones that happen to now have a higher profile?

This one should be fairly easy to prove, there must be an official record that it happened (or not) and a list of attendees for security purposes. Even if it's not prosecutable there's a lot of anger about the duplicity of behaviour that might be better appeased by an official account and an apology than dismissing its importance.

[GogLais]

May well be so but I suspect a load didn’t. Are the Met going to investigate many other cases of Covid rule breaking a year after the event or just ones that happen to now have a higher profile?

This one should be fairly easy to prove, there must be an official record that it happened (or not) and a list of attendees for security purposes. Even if it's not prosecutable there's a lot of anger about the duplicity of behaviour that might be better appeased by an official account and an apology than dismissing its importance.

I wouldn’t argue with that.

[JM2K6]

In fairness to Raab - and you won’t read that often - I think it was the case that many instances of rule breaking were dealt with by warnings and an instruction to stop whatever it was people were doing wrong. I’d distinguish between the possibly criminal and hypocrisy aspects of the issue.

A shit ton of people got hefty fines.

May well be so but I suspect a load didn’t. Are the Met going to investigate many other cases of Covid rule breaking a year after the event or just ones that happen to now have a higher profile?

If you don't, wave goodbye to any public consent for this stuff in future.

[GogLais]

A shit ton of people got hefty fines.

May well be so but I suspect a load didn’t. Are the Met going to investigate many other cases of Covid rule breaking a year after the event or just ones that happen to now have a higher profile?

If you don't, wave goodbye to any public consent for this stuff in future.

Fair point but if I went along to my local constabulary and told them my neighbours had breached Covid regs in 2020 they’d probably shrug their shoulders. I don’t like the idea of effectively prosecuting some people for who they are and not others.

[GogLais]

The politics of this country has been dominated by the whims of the 70+ for the last 10 years. The country behaves likes it's senile because it is. Not a snowballs chance in hell that the NI rise would have been accepted by the boomers when they were working.

I dunno but it seems that me that parties make assumptions about our selfishness that mightn’t be correct. I’d be perfectly content if the extra cost of social care was funded by tax instead of NI.

The biggest divide in politics in the UK is age. Tories have done a cracking job dividing and conquering. Obviously not all old people vote Tory and not all young vote Labour.

Perpetual question - how do you get young people to vote?

[JM2K6]

May well be so but I suspect a load didn’t. Are the Met going to investigate many other cases of Covid rule breaking a year after the event or just ones that happen to now have a higher profile?

If you don't, wave goodbye to any public consent for this stuff in future.

Fair point but if I went along to my local constabulary and told them my neighbours had breached Covid regs in 2020 they’d probably shrug their shoulders. I don’t like the idea of effectively prosecuting some people for who they are and not others.

If millions of people knew about it, they'd act.

[GogLais]

If you don't, wave goodbye to any public consent for this stuff in future.

Fair point but if I went along to my local constabulary and told them my neighbours had breached Covid regs in 2020 they’d probably shrug their shoulders. I don’t like the idea of effectively prosecuting some people for who they are and not others.

If millions of people knew about it, they'd act.

Ah well, that's the crux of it. Do the police concentrate on crimes that have a high political profile rather than others?

[fishfoodie]

May well be so but I suspect a load didn’t. Are the Met going to investigate many other cases of Covid rule breaking a year after the event or just ones that happen to now have a higher profile?

If you don't, wave goodbye to any public consent for this stuff in future.

Fair point but if I went along to my local constabulary and told them my neighbours had breached Covid regs in 2020 they’d probably shrug their shoulders. I don’t like the idea of effectively prosecuting some people for who they are and not others.

Actually in Ireland; if someone makes a complaint; the Police have to investigate, & create a record in their system, with a case# etc; because otherwise, they could be the ones in trouble.

The key thing is that the vast majority of breaches; no-one could be bothered making a complaint; but in the high profile ones; people should be held to account.

Justice, is a bit like voting; or paying taxes; if you don't participate; you don't get to bitch when the system is a abused; or doesn't work. If you want change; participate; & make sure your elected representatives know your watching them

[salanya]

Surely this being the government breaching the law, inside a government building, carries a bit more weight and scrutiny?

Especially as it wasn't just one MP ignoring the Covid rules by snogging his mistress in his office, but a few dozen Tories who were trespassing for several hours?

If even Rita sodding Ora had the fake humility to apologise and pay a voluntary fine after breaking the rules, we should expect at least the same from those who were setting these rules/laws/regulations.

It's silly that we need to request the Met to look into it, but Tories brought it upon themselves by their lame excuse of 'not recognising' the story, but although they didn't recognise it, they are sure that 'all Covid restrictions were followed closely'.

[petej]

I dunno but it seems that me that parties make assumptions about our selfishness that mightn’t be correct. I’d be perfectly content if the extra cost of social care was funded by tax instead of NI.

The biggest divide in politics in the UK is age. Tories have done a cracking job dividing and conquering. Obviously not all old people vote Tory and not all young vote Labour.

Perpetual question - how do you get young people to vote?

Less of an issue with proportional representation but a real issue with the UK particularly with centre and left voters voters being split across parties. Other issue is changing demographics. Younger cohorts aren't really substantially bigger anymore and people live longer. Should lower the voting age and considering the condition of my mother and grandparents when they last voted before passing away I would be very comfortable taking it down to 14 years old. Labour should really be driving the young out to vote and have a focus on doing so but not seen a concerted effort from them to do this.

[GogLais]

If you don't, wave goodbye to any public consent for this stuff in future.

Fair point but if I went along to my local constabulary and told them my neighbours had breached Covid regs in 2020 they’d probably shrug their shoulders. I don’t like the idea of effectively prosecuting some people for who they are and not others.

Actually in Ireland; if someone makes a complaint; the Police have to investigate, & create a record in their system, with a case# etc; because otherwise, they could be the ones in trouble.

Same in the UK I think, I haven't had many dealings with the law. Thinking it through my vague concern is that the police are in danger of being used for political ends. Of course I'm not suggesting that politicians should get out of jail free cards for everything but I'm not sure that Labour should be bringing the police into if. Expose their hypocrisy by all means.

[GogLais]

The biggest divide in politics in the UK is age. Tories have done a cracking job dividing and conquering. Obviously not all old people vote Tory and not all young vote Labour.

Perpetual question - how do you get young people to vote?

Less of an issue with proportional representation but a real issue with the UK particularly with centre and left voters voters being split across parties. Other issue is changing demographics. Younger cohorts aren't really substantially bigger anymore and people live longer. Should lower the voting age and considering the condition of my mother and grandparents when they last voted before passing away I would be very comfortable taking it down to 14 years old. Labour should really be driving the young out to vote and have a focus on doing so but not seen a concerted effort from them to do this.

It's now easier and probably more satisfying to focus on a single issue, especially when you sometimes see something for your efforts. I can understand that putting a cross in a box every five years can seem pretty futile.

[dpedin]

Fair point but if I went along to my local constabulary and told them my neighbours had breached Covid regs in 2020 they’d probably shrug their shoulders. I don’t like the idea of effectively prosecuting some people for who they are and not others.

Actually in Ireland; if someone makes a complaint; the Police have to investigate, & create a record in their system, with a case# etc; because otherwise, they could be the ones in trouble.

Same in the UK I think, I haven't had many dealings with the law. Thinking it through my vague concern is that the police are in danger of being used for political ends. Of course I'm not suggesting that politicians should get out of jail free cards for everything but I'm not sure that Labour should be bringing the police into if. Expose their hypocrisy by all means.

This is a case of law makers being deliberate law breakers and for that reason they need to be held to account to a higher level. Even worse is their public lying and obfuscation about what everyone now knows is the fact that there was a party. Even worse is that the Met were complicit in allowing it to go ahead, they knew it was happening in real time, whilst prosecuting some student for having a party the same day a few miles away and fining them £10k - this is duplicitous if not corrupt. Even worse is the PM and Ministers tweeting the same day as party warning the general public not to meet up and break the law and to protect others by not getting together. Even worse is many followed instructions and didnt visit sick relatives or say cheerio to dying family members because of what the Gov told them was the right thing to do ... meanwhile they were sipping champagne, having nibbles and playing party games. Comparing this to a party in your street going unpunished is a pile of shit! These duplicitous cunts are taking the piss now, they are laughing at us and need to be exposed, many should resign.