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Hal Jordan wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:42 pm Well, it's worked to keep the parties off the front pages.

We're out of lateral flow tests for online ordering. Booster bookings site crashed.

Worst. Government. Ever.

Good planning eh? The whole thing was rushed through primarily to keep the Blonde Bumblecunt bad news off the front pages. He shouldn't have been allowed to make a 'state of the nation' address, he should have gone to HoC today to make statement and to take questions, etc. Not only feckin useless but a feckin coward as well.

Anyone would have thought that, given the inevitability of a new variation of covid which was either/or more transmissible or deadly, there would have been a plan already worked up with the necessary supplies/workforce/communications strategy already worked out and available to deploy. All it would have needed was someone to press the button and things were up and running - instead we have crap comms, websites collapsing, a run on LFTs, queues at testing sites with some folk being turned away because they haven't been told new rules, GPs unaware and unprepared for delivering 1m vaccinations a day, debate on whether we do away with the 15min waiting after being jabbed if not the vaccination centres not big enough, etc etc. Feckin shambles of Government!

Sterling work on the Orbanification front, though. Can't fault them there (or else).

We are so SO FUCKED!

where does this rumour come from?

sturginho wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:25 pm where does this rumour come from?

If boris goes, they'll need a new leader which is voted on by tory party members only. She constantly tops their approval polls

Happyhooker wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:26 pm

sturginho wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:25 pm where does this rumour come from?

If boris goes, they'll need a new leader which is voted on by tory party members only. She constantly tops their approval polls

She is terrible at speaking and those set piece events but, in fairness, almost everyone that has worked with her at DIT or FCDO (albeit only a few weeks) seems very impressed.

Slick wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:57 pm

Happyhooker wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:26 pm

sturginho wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:25 pm where does this rumour come from?

If boris goes, they'll need a new leader which is voted on by tory party members only. She constantly tops their approval polls

She is terrible at speaking and those set piece events but, in fairness, almost everyone that has worked with her at DIT or FCDO (albeit only a few weeks) seems very impressed.

People who I know who've worked with her recently would disagree with that. Violently

Happyhooker wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:16 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:57 pm

Happyhooker wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:26 pm

If boris goes, they'll need a new leader which is voted on by tory party members only. She constantly tops their approval polls

She is terrible at speaking and those set piece events but, in fairness, almost everyone that has worked with her at DIT or FCDO (albeit only a few weeks) seems very impressed.

People who I know who've worked with her recently would disagree with that. Violently

I've only heard that she is an improvement on the awful bumblecunt and raab but that is a low bar to clear.

Happyhooker wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:26 pm

sturginho wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:25 pm where does this rumour come from?

If boris goes, they'll need a new leader which is voted on by tory party members only. She constantly tops their approval polls

Ok but that's still a long way from her being favourite for a leadership election

sturginho wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:39 pm

Happyhooker wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:26 pm

sturginho wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:25 pm where does this rumour come from?

If boris goes, they'll need a new leader which is voted on by tory party members only. She constantly tops their approval polls

Ok but that's still a long way from her being favourite for a leadership election

It's really not. The leader of the tory party is selected from a vote from about 180,000 tory party members

I just realized a remarkable consequence of the Tories Immigration Bill.

The DUP, like the loyal lick spittles they are; tramped thru the Aye Lobby; & supported the Bill, to allow any Home Secretary, to arbitrarily remove any UK citizen, citizenship; if that citizen, also is eligible for another Countries citizenship.

Now. Can anyone think of a place in the UK, that has a very large percentage of citizens; almost 100% in fact; that are also eligible for another Countries citizenship ?

.... I'll let you ponder that for a moment ....

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:32 pm I just realized a remarkable consequence of the Tories Immigration Bill.

The DUP, like the loyal lick spittles they are; tramped thru the Aye Lobby; & supported the Bill, to allow any Home Secretary, to arbitrarily remove any UK citizen, citizenship; if that citizen, also is eligible for another Countries citizenship.

Now. Can anyone think of a place in the UK, that has a very large percentage of citizens; almost 100% in fact; that are also eligible for another Countries citizenship ?

.... I'll let you ponder that for a moment ....

Strains brain nope you got me there

Actually I have eligibility for Italian citizenship jure sanguinis, so looking forward to my imminent loss of citizenship and deportation for daring to consider this government a complete and utter shit shower

tabascoboy wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:13 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:32 pm I just realized a remarkable consequence of the Tories Immigration Bill.

The DUP, like the loyal lick spittles they are; tramped thru the Aye Lobby; & supported the Bill, to allow any Home Secretary, to arbitrarily remove any UK citizen, citizenship; if that citizen, also is eligible for another Countries citizenship.

Now. Can anyone think of a place in the UK, that has a very large percentage of citizens; almost 100% in fact; that are also eligible for another Countries citizenship ?

.... I'll let you ponder that for a moment ....

Strains brain nope you got me there

Actually I have eligibility for Italian citizenship jure sanguinis, so looking forward to my imminent loss of citizenship and deportation for daring to consider this government a complete and utter shit shower

I have UK and South African citizenship. If good governance is the criteria, I’m fucked!

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:58 pm

tabascoboy wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:13 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:32 pm I just realized a remarkable consequence of the Tories Immigration Bill.

The DUP, like the loyal lick spittles they are; tramped thru the Aye Lobby; & supported the Bill, to allow any Home Secretary, to arbitrarily remove any UK citizen, citizenship; if that citizen, also is eligible for another Countries citizenship.

Now. Can anyone think of a place in the UK, that has a very large percentage of citizens; almost 100% in fact; that are also eligible for another Countries citizenship ?

.... I'll let you ponder that for a moment ....

Strains brain nope you got me there

Actually I have eligibility for Italian citizenship jure sanguinis, so looking forward to my imminent loss of citizenship and deportation for daring to consider this government a complete and utter shit shower

I have UK and South African citizenship. If good governance is the criteria, I’m fucked!

Spain or Ireland for me. Would historically have chosen Ireland, but the swarm has tainted there for me.

San sebastian, here I come

Weather in Ireland is horrible. Spain or Portugal will be my (early) retirement choices.

I’d love it to be SA, but I really like having electricity 24/7.

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:23 pm Weather in Ireland is horrible. Spain or Portugal will be my (early) retirement choices.

I’d love it to be SA, but I really like having electricity 24/7.

We have great hopes that Global Warming will upgrade it to; tolerable

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:23 pm Weather in Ireland is horrible. Spain or Portugal will be my (early) retirement choices.

I’d love it to be SA, but I really like having electricity 24/7.

I meant spain/ireland as I have passports to both.

Which, now I think about it, means I can lose my British one whenever priti Patel decides so

Happyhooker wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:34 am

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:23 pm Weather in Ireland is horrible. Spain or Portugal will be my (early) retirement choices.

I’d love it to be SA, but I really like having electricity 24/7.

I meant spain/ireland as I have passports to both.

Which, now I think about it, means I can lose my British one whenever priti Patel decides so

Cech Republic for me, wifey is Czech.

Am I being dull, or are holding passports and citizenship two separate things?

I've got an Irish passport due to Irish mother, but I've not become an Irish citizen.

What is extent of Patel's game here? Can she strip citizenship if you hold another passport or another citizenship? I'd be surprised if it was limited to a passport as that would leave people stateless. Although it's Patel we're talking about here.

eta: Hmm, Just done a quick bit of reading and apparently I'm automatically an Irish citizen. Ignore me.

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:56 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:23 pm Weather in Ireland is horrible. Spain or Portugal will be my (early) retirement choices.

I’d love it to be SA, but I really like having electricity 24/7.

We have great hopes that Global Warming will upgrade it to; tolerable

We'll be seeing a Limerick Tempranillo and an East Fife Malbec at all good wine merchants soon enough

inactionman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:04 am Am I being dull, or are holding passports and citizenship two separate things?

I've got an Irish passport due to Irish mother, but I've not become an Irish citizen.

What is extent of Patel's game here? Can she strip citizenship if you hold another passport or another citizenship? I'd be surprised if it was limited to a passport as that would leave people stateless. Although it's Patel we're talking about here.

eta: Hmm, Just done a quick bit of reading and apparently I'm automatically an Irish citizen. Ignore me.

Yeah, passport = citizenship.

I chose not to become a citizen in Israel, instead got a permanent residency (though I think that actually expires, since I no longer live there). Multiple citizenships can start to cause issues with what help you can get in countries etc.

If in doubt send Raab out.

inactionman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:04 am Am I being dull, or are holding passports and citizenship two separate things?

I've got an Irish passport due to Irish mother, but I've not become an Irish citizen.

What is extent of Patel's game here? Can she strip citizenship if you hold another passport or another citizenship? I'd be surprised if it was limited to a passport as that would leave people stateless. Although it's Patel we're talking about here.

I assume this relates to the likes of the ISIS wives, especially the high-profile one (too lazy to check the name) who I think has Bangladesh and UK citizenship so no doubt Patel would like to ship her out there.

GogLais wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:25 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:04 am Am I being dull, or are holding passports and citizenship two separate things?

I've got an Irish passport due to Irish mother, but I've not become an Irish citizen.

What is extent of Patel's game here? Can she strip citizenship if you hold another passport or another citizenship? I'd be surprised if it was limited to a passport as that would leave people stateless. Although it's Patel we're talking about here.

I assume this relates to the likes of the ISIS wives, especially the high-profile one (too lazy to check the name) who I think has Bangladesh and UK citizenship so no doubt Patel would like to ship her out there.

Well that's the excuse for the Mail readers; but where is the scrutiny ? where is the oversight ?, in fact; where is the compliance with human rights ?

Oh; that's right; the UK is abandoning any adherence with International human rights

The inevitable assault on the human rights act by the execrable Raab has begun, I see.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/de ... orrectness

A senior MoJ source said the government felt strongly that free speech and democratic debate had been whittled away “whether by wokery or political correctness”.

After the Mail on Sunday’s failed appeal over its publication of a letter written by Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, to her estranged father, the source said common-law privacy laws had “come in by the back door” and that freedom of speech needed to be given “extra weight”.

These aresholes need putting back in their box ASAP.

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:56 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:23 pm Weather in Ireland is horrible. Spain or Portugal will be my (early) retirement choices.

I’d love it to be SA, but I really like having electricity 24/7.

We have great hopes that Global Warming will upgrade it to; tolerable

Has anyone decided yet what the offset will be with colder waters from the souther ice caps flowing into the Gulf of Mexico Vs more heat in the air generally?

Raggs wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:34 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:04 am Am I being dull, or are holding passports and citizenship two separate things?

I've got an Irish passport due to Irish mother, but I've not become an Irish citizen.

What is extent of Patel's game here? Can she strip citizenship if you hold another passport or another citizenship? I'd be surprised if it was limited to a passport as that would leave people stateless. Although it's Patel we're talking about here.

eta: Hmm, Just done a quick bit of reading and apparently I'm automatically an Irish citizen. Ignore me.

Yeah, passport = citizenship.

I chose not to become a citizen in Israel, instead got a permanent residency (though I think that actually expires, since I no longer live there). Multiple citizenships can start to cause issues with what help you can get in countries etc.

Yes it isn't just a travel document and can really cause issues people don't see coming. See also conscription.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:52 am

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:56 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:23 pm Weather in Ireland is horrible. Spain or Portugal will be my (early) retirement choices.

I’d love it to be SA, but I really like having electricity 24/7.

We have great hopes that Global Warming will upgrade it to; tolerable

Has anyone decided yet what the offset will be with colder waters from the souther ice caps flowing into the Gulf of Mexico Vs more heat in the air generally?

There's a very scary scenario where the Gluf Stream collapses

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... m-collapse

Tichtheid wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:00 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:52 am

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:56 pm

We have great hopes that Global Warming will upgrade it to; tolerable

Has anyone decided yet what the offset will be with colder waters from the souther ice caps flowing into the Gulf of Mexico Vs more heat in the air generally?

There's a very scary scenario where the Gluf Stream collapses

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... m-collapse

Always a bit of a mindfuck comparing Britain's latitude with Canada's.

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:58 am

Raggs wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:34 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:04 am Am I being dull, or are holding passports and citizenship two separate things?

I've got an Irish passport due to Irish mother, but I've not become an Irish citizen.

What is extent of Patel's game here? Can she strip citizenship if you hold another passport or another citizenship? I'd be surprised if it was limited to a passport as that would leave people stateless. Although it's Patel we're talking about here.

eta: Hmm, Just done a quick bit of reading and apparently I'm automatically an Irish citizen. Ignore me.

Yeah, passport = citizenship.

I chose not to become a citizen in Israel, instead got a permanent residency (though I think that actually expires, since I no longer live there). Multiple citizenships can start to cause issues with what help you can get in countries etc.

Yes it isn't just a travel document and can really cause issues people don't see coming. See also conscription.

I was 99% sure I wouldn't need to do national service, due to my age and the fact I had a child, but I think they could have legally called me up for 6 months. Wasn't worth doing though.

Raggs wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:07 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:58 am

Raggs wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:34 am

Yeah, passport = citizenship.

I chose not to become a citizen in Israel, instead got a permanent residency (though I think that actually expires, since I no longer live there). Multiple citizenships can start to cause issues with what help you can get in countries etc.

Yes it isn't just a travel document and can really cause issues people don't see coming. See also conscription.

I was 99% sure I wouldn't need to do national service, due to my age and the fact I had a child, but I think they could have legally called me up for 6 months. Wasn't worth doing though.

The weirdest one is (IIRC) any permanent resident (and not just citizens) of the US is legally liable to their draft if called upon.

Tichtheid wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:00 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:52 am

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:56 pm

We have great hopes that Global Warming will upgrade it to; tolerable

Has anyone decided yet what the offset will be with colder waters from the souther ice caps flowing into the Gulf of Mexico Vs more heat in the air generally?

There's a very scary scenario where the Gluf Stream collapses

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... m-collapse

There is, and there's work suggesting varying things depending on depth of temp changes in the water, and what the offset of the more local and global changes to air temps will be. The last time I tried to get an overview in terms of our lifetimes it was something of a non event for changes to temps to UK and Ireland would be, but there would be more violent events, but that overview itself might prove incorrect, and what I took from it might also have been incorrect

https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-we ... europe-fa/ this is a good read on current weather patterns

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:21 am The weirdest one is (IIRC) any permanent resident (and not just citizens) of the US is legally liable to their draft if called upon.

The US is crazy, their tax laws basically mean if they want, they can claim your foreign earnings even if you no longer live there and haven't done so for ages.

Well at least there aren't pictures

No, wait...

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:58 am

Raggs wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:34 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:04 am Am I being dull, or are holding passports and citizenship two separate things?

I've got an Irish passport due to Irish mother, but I've not become an Irish citizen.

What is extent of Patel's game here? Can she strip citizenship if you hold another passport or another citizenship? I'd be surprised if it was limited to a passport as that would leave people stateless. Although it's Patel we're talking about here.

eta: Hmm, Just done a quick bit of reading and apparently I'm automatically an Irish citizen. Ignore me.

Yeah, passport = citizenship.

I chose not to become a citizen in Israel, instead got a permanent residency (though I think that actually expires, since I no longer live there). Multiple citizenships can start to cause issues with what help you can get in countries etc.

Yes it isn't just a travel document and can really cause issues people don't see coming. See also conscription.

Even having an Israeli stamp in your passport causes issues in a few places

Slick wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:09 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:58 am

Raggs wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:34 am

Yeah, passport = citizenship.

I chose not to become a citizen in Israel, instead got a permanent residency (though I think that actually expires, since I no longer live there). Multiple citizenships can start to cause issues with what help you can get in countries etc.

Yes it isn't just a travel document and can really cause issues people don't see coming. See also conscription.

Even having an Israeli stamp in your passport causes issues in a few places

You usually have an option of getting the stamp on a separate insert; so you can remove it if needed, for a different country.

Well quite a few of their MPs have stopped voting for them so that's a start. Including the new MP who's only been there a couple of weeks. What does he know?