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sturginho wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:36 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:28 pm Thick as mince

That's very unfair to the mince

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:33 pm So apparently the UK covid infection numbers released, doesn't include people who have been reinfected...

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:36 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:33 pm So apparently the UK covid infection numbers released, doesn't include people who have been reinfected...

Link? That would be surprising.

I thought they were just going to release a separate figure shortly that isolated reinfections. May have got the wrong end of the stick though.

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:40 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:36 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:33 pm So apparently the UK covid infection numbers released, doesn't include people who have been reinfected...

Link? That would be surprising.

I thought they were just going to release a separate figure shortly that isolated reinfections. May have got the wrong end of the stick though.

Some of the replies... people seem to genuinely believe you cannot catch it a second time. As though after the first time an invisible fence comes down around you and zaps the particles before you inhale them.

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:27 pm

sturginho wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:36 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:28 pm Thick as mince

That's very unfair to the mince

Also, mince has a useful purpose.

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:14 pm Latest odds for North Shropshire suggesting the Tories have opened around a 10% lead as LD support has dropped in the last couple of days. Everything normal and we just carry on like this then...

tabascoboy wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:14 pm Latest odds for North Shropshire suggesting the Tories have opened around a 10% lead as LD support has dropped in the last couple of days. Everything normal and we just carry on like this then...

Boris Johnson joined No 10 staff for a party in Downing Street during the first lockdown in May last year, sources have alleged, raising questions about whether there was a culture of flouting the rules over a number of months.

The prime minister spent about 15 minutes with staff at the alleged social gathering on 15 May 2020, telling one aide inside No 10 that they deserved a drink for “beating back” coronavirus, a joint investigation by the Guardian and Independent was told.

Sources claimed about 20 staff drank wine and spirits and ate pizza following a press conference on that day, some in offices inside No 10 and others going into the garden. Some staff stayed drinking until late into the evening, they alleged.

Rules at the time allowed only two people from different households to meet outside, at a distance of 2 metres. Earlier that evening, Matt Hancock, then health secretary, had urged people to “stay at home as much as is possible” and asked them to “please stick with the rules, keep an eye on your family and don’t take risks” during the period of good weather.

Dogbert wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:06 am

dpedin wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:40 am So the omicron tsunami has started and at the moment it feels like we are all just standing on the beach watching the wave get bigger. 78,600 cases in UK yesterday is a pretty scary number and from what Whitty was saying yesterday it is going to get a lot, lot worse. Scientists are still working on it but reckon it is anything between 2 to 4 times more infectious than delta. Still no definitive data on how deadly it is and scientists seem split on whether it is likely to cause same or less rate of hospitalisations or deaths. It also seems to have the ability to reinfect, particularly those depending on a previous case of covid for their immunity. However evidence is there to suggest it can evade our current vaccinations although the booster does seem to make a big difference. It would appear that vaccination reduces chances of hospitalisation and death.

Bottom line is, despite the heroic efforts of NHS, the booster programme is behind the curve and many will likely get covid before their booster or before it is fully effective. We also still have c6m eligible but unvaccinated and c9.5m who are ineligible for the vaccine, mostly kids. This 15m is a huge pool for omicron to circulate in and from there infect others. Our best chance would be to try and slow down omicron as much as possible - masks, WFH, social distancing, reducing crowded large scale events, reduce household mixing, better ventilations, etc - whilst we get as many vaccinations and boosters done as possible. We are literally talking weeks to make a huge difference and save many folk from dying or contracting long covid.We should also be vaccinating kids from 5+ and really driving home the education and delivery of vaccines into the hard to reach groups of folk still to be vaccinated.

The Blonde Bumblecunt is now as much use as a chocolate fireguard. He can't impose greater PH protections because his ERG mates will not vote for him and he will have to rely on Starmer propping him up which he will find a political anathema. He can't do nothing because the scientists are telling him he has to given the PH risks the country is facing, if he does nothing he will be held accountable for the many subsequent deaths. His hands are also tied by the Treasury who are loath to spend more to prop up the leisure industry as they want to save money for the promised tax cuts in the run up to the next election plus covering up Brexit damage in January plus Sunak is playing hardball and they have already spaffed loads of dosh on failed TT&T and got their fingers burned on the ridiculous 'Eat Out ...' fiasco last summer. Throw in a by-election, partygate, forthcoming Brexit fiasco at the borders on the 1st January and he is well and truly fucked! He is paralysed by fear and will not provide the leadership we require.

The impact of omicron is already baked in, modelling suggests it will peak in mid January, and there is not much we can do to avoid it - the NHS will struggle to cope over the next 6-8 weeks and expect to see horror stories of folk not getting care they urgently require and dying due to lack of staff. if we thought the last pingdemic was bad and decimated the NHS workforce then we ain't seen nothing yet. We already have 10% vacancies in nursing in NHS, add in another 5% regular absence and it is already struggling - if we lose another 10-20% due to omicron (infections, isolating, caring for kids/elderly parents) then that means the NHS will have to cope with just 65-75% of its nursing workforce available ... impossible.

Best thing to do guys is take every PH precaution you can and don't get injured or ill ... oh and Merry Christmas!

FFS - Dpedin , you can't use words like Tsunami - your going to panic the country

Can I suggest 'Mild ripple' or 'Gentle Increase'

petej wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:07 pm London has pretty much met it's peak daily cases numbers from the alpha/kent wave.

I like neeps wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:00 pm Tory journalists tweeting out fears they've lost Shropshire. 4 hours until the polls closed so a pretty good method to get people to the polling station.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:11 pm

I like neeps wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:00 pm Tory journalists tweeting out fears they've lost Shropshire. 4 hours until the polls closed so a pretty good method to get people to the polling station.

Isn't there a law about that

I like neeps wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:00 pm Tory journalists tweeting out fears they've lost Shropshire. 4 hours until the polls closed so a pretty good method to get people to the polling station.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:11 pm

I like neeps wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:00 pm Tory journalists tweeting out fears they've lost Shropshire. 4 hours until the polls closed so a pretty good method to get people to the polling station.

Isn't there a law about that

Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:15 pm

petej wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:07 pm London has pretty much met it's peak daily cases numbers from the alpha/kent wave.

London vaccine uptake is shite. 1 in 3 people eligible for a vaccine haven’t had a jag. That’s not a booster, that’s the first one. Add in the under 12s who aren’t eligible and it’ll be over 40% unvaccinated.

23,000 cases in London today.

I like neeps wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm

Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:15 pm

petej wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:07 pm London has pretty much met it's peak daily cases numbers from the alpha/kent wave.

London vaccine uptake is shite. 1 in 3 people eligible for a vaccine haven’t had a jag. That’s not a booster, that’s the first one. Add in the under 12s who aren’t eligible and it’ll be over 40% unvaccinated.

23,000 cases in London today.

Evidence from SA suggests antibodies from previous covid strains reduces the severity of Omicron. How many of those 33% of people have had a previous strain is pretty important.

Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:43 pm

I like neeps wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm

Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:15 pm

London vaccine uptake is shite. 1 in 3 people eligible for a vaccine haven’t had a jag. That’s not a booster, that’s the first one. Add in the under 12s who aren’t eligible and it’ll be over 40% unvaccinated.

23,000 cases in London today.

Evidence from SA suggests antibodies from previous covid strains reduces the severity of Omicron. How many of those 33% of people have had a previous strain is pretty important.

…sever disease….

Tattie wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:02 pm

Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:43 pm

I like neeps wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm

Evidence from SA suggests antibodies from previous covid strains reduces the severity of Omicron. How many of those 33% of people have had a previous strain is pretty important.

…sever disease….

Sounds horrific, is that a new variant?

Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:44 am This thread is working!

I like neeps wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:44 am If Omicron wasn't running wild we'd be seeing a leadership challenge now. Sunak is already running scared of the consequences (good decision to decide a rapid booster program was too expensive mate) and even Truss isn't mental enough to decide now is the time to strike.

PCPhil wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:13 am I feel that we should congratulate the title of this thread. It is a clear message and many voters said that this it what tipped it for them.

Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:12 am Oof!

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:16 am

PCPhil wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:13 am I feel that we should congratulate the title of this thread. It is a clear message and many voters said that this it what tipped it for them.

Only problem is, they're doing exactly what the title says - not voting. The tory voters didn't turn out, not many of them changed their vote.

Lobby wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:24 am

Biffer wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:16 am

PCPhil wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:13 am I feel that we should congratulate the title of this thread. It is a clear message and many voters said that this it what tipped it for them.

Only problem is, they're doing exactly what the title says - not voting. The tory voters didn't turn out, not many of them changed their vote.

Although there was a big fall in turn out, the Lib Dem vote still increased by 12,000 so clearly some of some of them did change their vote.

As the Tory vote fell by about 23,000, it seems about half of those stayed at home, while the others switched to the Lib Dems.