Stop voting for fucking Tories

[SaintK]

Oh the irony!!! Serves the entitled bastards right

Owen Paterson would have completed his 30-day suspension and spent the past week back in Parliament if MPs had approved standards report

[petej]

This is a real problem for the Tories. They can't mobilise anyone on brexit because people think it's done.

Labour have a problem too though, unless lib dem eat into the blue wall enough it's hard to see how Labour win a majority.

Also lib dems and labour can avoid eating into each other's votes due to lack of hostility between the leaders. Brexit looking more like a turd. Boris and Corbyn were also major reason why many voters turned on labour. The latter is gone and the conman is being exposed as a shit on a near daily basis.

[JM2K6]

I think you'll find that the Corbynites are busy spinning this as a huge defeat for Labour and a referendum on Kier Starmer.

[Margin__Walker]

I think you'll find that the Corbynites are busy spinning this as a huge defeat for Labour and a referendum on Kier Starmer.

Got to admire their discipline. They never lose focus on the real enemy.

[petej]

I think you'll find that the Corbynites are busy spinning this as a huge defeat for Labour and a referendum on Kier Starmer.

Mentalists. They are seemingly determined to stop anyone other than the Tories being in power due to the purity of their cause.

[tabascoboy]

Oof!

And the Tories put a promo pic of their PPC posing in Shrewsbury - which isn't part of the constituency!

[I like neeps]

I think you'll find that the Corbynites are busy spinning this as a huge defeat for Labour and a referendum on Kier Starmer.

Mentalists. They are seemingly determined to stop anyone other than the Tories being in power due to the purity of their cause.

Or you know people just don't want to vote for a party they don't think represents their interests. As many ex- Labour voters famously did with Corbyn. Or ex Labour voters in Scotland too actually.

The well we'll vote for someone we don't like because we don't like someone else even more isn't the best political strategy ever. Will likely lead to apathy more than anything.

[C T]

Quite enjoyed this from Spitting Image. Baffles me that the Tories are still viewed as the economically sound option:

[JM2K6]

I think you'll find that the Corbynites are busy spinning this as a huge defeat for Labour and a referendum on Kier Starmer.

Mentalists. They are seemingly determined to stop anyone other than the Tories being in power due to the purity of their cause.

Or you know people just don't want to vote for a party they don't think represents their interests. As many ex- Labour voters famously did with Corbyn. Or ex Labour voters in Scotland too actually.

The well we'll vote for someone we don't like because we don't like someone else even more isn't the best political strategy ever. Will likely lead to apathy more than anything.

Politics is compromise.

Look, let's not pretend that Corbynites are about pushing left-wing policies. They're about Jeremy Corbyn and whoever worships Jeremy Corbyn. Everyone else is a Tory in disguise. I also want Labour to push more left-wing policies, and I'd happily like a left-wing candidate who was good enough to get my vote. But we're stuck with people who are even more mediocre than Corbyn, a man so unsuited to leadership it's a wonder he hasn't been put in charge of English cricket.

What we're seeing isn't any kind of refuting of policies. It's the extended death-whinge of a wave of people who were only ever interested in Jezza and who cannot get over just how much the country rejected him personally. Starmer is fair game for criticism, but the criticism these useless fucks come up with is usually totally bereft of substance and nothing more than shit memes and a total inability to understand politics.

They are a broken bunch of people who are as toxic to the voting population as they are to anyone who isn't part of the Corbyn Cult in Labour.

(Also, I disagree that "voting someone out" isn't a big driver at times, for the record)

[JM2K6]

[tc27]

a man so unsuited to leadership it's a wonder he hasn't been put in charge of English cricket

We have out disagreements here but that's an absolute belter.

[tc27]

Anyway the narrative this is disaster for Starmer is fucking hilarious - its a bye election where people voted to (rightly) punish an awful government.

Dip your toe into the madness if you like: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Starmer ... cal=trends

These fucking spanners have hobbled for two electoral cycles by robbing us of a viable opposition - let them fuck off the the SWP.

[I like neeps]

Mentalists. They are seemingly determined to stop anyone other than the Tories being in power due to the purity of their cause.

Or you know people just don't want to vote for a party they don't think represents their interests. As many ex- Labour voters famously did with Corbyn. Or ex Labour voters in Scotland too actually.

The well we'll vote for someone we don't like because we don't like someone else even more isn't the best political strategy ever. Will likely lead to apathy more than anything.

Politics is compromise.

Look, let's not pretend that Corbynites are about pushing left-wing policies. They're about Jeremy Corbyn and whoever worships Jeremy Corbyn. Everyone else is a Tory in disguise. I also want Labour to push more left-wing policies, and I'd happily like a left-wing candidate who was good enough to get my vote. But we're stuck with people who are even more mediocre than Corbyn, a man so unsuited to leadership it's a wonder he hasn't been put in charge of English cricket.

What we're seeing isn't any kind of refuting of policies. It's the extended death-whinge of a wave of people who were only ever interested in Jezza and who cannot get over just how much the country rejected him personally. Starmer is fair game for criticism, but the criticism these useless fucks come up with is usually totally bereft of substance and nothing more than shit memes and a total inability to understand politics.

They are a broken bunch of people who are as toxic to the voting population as they are to anyone who isn't part of the Corbyn Cult in Labour.

(Also, I disagree that "voting someone out" isn't a big driver at times, for the record)

I'm not sure. Corbyn has very few supporters in the press past fringe outlets such as The Canary and Novara. Twitter isn't reflective of reality either. I think most people who liked Corbyn were people who liked his policies. And most of them are young people 18-25 or committed socialists.

If Starmer doesn't advance a socialist cause why would a socialist vote for him? If Starmer doesn't have a load of policies that clearly benefit 18-25 year olds why would they vote for him?

The strategy Starmer is following is to win back the "red wall" Tories. Home owning brexiteers aged 40+. Good luck to him. But if people don't want to vote for policies created for that group of people fair play I say.

I'm sure compromise for some people is the best solution - I vote lib dem as I live in a Lib dem Tory marginal so it's best for me. But it's not a motivational voting strategy and policy platform so if someone doesn't want to vote like that it's fine by me.

[sturginho]

Just for fun, what utopia looks like

[JM2K6]

Or you know people just don't want to vote for a party they don't think represents their interests. As many ex- Labour voters famously did with Corbyn. Or ex Labour voters in Scotland too actually.

The well we'll vote for someone we don't like because we don't like someone else even more isn't the best political strategy ever. Will likely lead to apathy more than anything.

Politics is compromise.

Look, let's not pretend that Corbynites are about pushing left-wing policies. They're about Jeremy Corbyn and whoever worships Jeremy Corbyn. Everyone else is a Tory in disguise. I also want Labour to push more left-wing policies, and I'd happily like a left-wing candidate who was good enough to get my vote. But we're stuck with people who are even more mediocre than Corbyn, a man so unsuited to leadership it's a wonder he hasn't been put in charge of English cricket.

What we're seeing isn't any kind of refuting of policies. It's the extended death-whinge of a wave of people who were only ever interested in Jezza and who cannot get over just how much the country rejected him personally. Starmer is fair game for criticism, but the criticism these useless fucks come up with is usually totally bereft of substance and nothing more than shit memes and a total inability to understand politics.

They are a broken bunch of people who are as toxic to the voting population as they are to anyone who isn't part of the Corbyn Cult in Labour.

(Also, I disagree that "voting someone out" isn't a big driver at times, for the record)

I'm not sure. Corbyn has very few supporters in the press past fringe outlets such as The Canary and Novara. Twitter isn't reflective of reality either. I think most people who liked Corbyn were people who liked his policies. And most of them are young people 18-25 or committed socialists.

If Starmer doesn't advance a socialist cause why would a socialist vote for him? If Starmer doesn't have a load of policies that clearly benefit 18-25 year olds why would they vote for him?

The strategy Starmer is following is to win back the "red wall" Tories. Home owning brexiteers aged 40+. Good luck to him. But if people don't want to vote for policies created for that group of people fair play I say.

I'm sure compromise for some people is the best solution - I vote lib dem as I live in a Lib dem Tory marginal so it's best for me. But it's not a motivational voting strategy and policy platform so if someone doesn't want to vote like that it's fine by me.

I can assure you that the people wanking on about this being a failure for Starmer - i.e. the people we were talking about what I started this line of conversation - are exactly the people who are Corbyn-uber-alles. His was a cult of personality - surely you must recognise that?

Totally agree Corbyn has very few supporters in the press. We're not talking about the press. We're talking about the chunk of Labour members & supporters who are besotted with him, who can't stop talking about him, who are endlessly bitter that Starmer recognised how toxic Corbyn's legacy is for the voting public, and who would rather spend their entire time putting the boot into Labour than giving a shit about the Tories losing power.

To me, the calculation is pretty simple:

- A good left wing Labour leader would be ideal. There are no standouts, and most of the left-wing MPs in the Party are fucking useless
- Starmer is pretty centrist, and doesn't have enough left wing proposals for my liking; some of his beliefs I actively dislike
- Starmer is attempting to rebrand Labour and clean the Corbyn mess off it to be able to appeal to the voters they lost under Corbyn
- The Tories have continued to lurch to the right, and are introducing ever more authoritarian / borderline fascist measures
- A Labour led by Starmer would be disappointing and by some large measure preferable to me personally than the fucking Tories holding on to power, and I can't see how Labour would ever be as bad for the common people as the Tories, let alone THIS mob of Tories

Side notes:
- The Corbynites are part of the reason why Labour became so unelectable, they may not be that many in pure numbers but they are actively harmful to Labour's election chances. There's nowhere near enough of them to win an election with their preferred candidate, but they can do a lot of damage as long as they continue pissing inside the tent
- The Corbynites are, IMO, preventing saner left candidates emerging, because the idea that left wing MUST be synonymous with Jezza is holding back the left


Anyone who is concerned enough about Starmer's policies not being left wing enough should abso-fucking-lutely be voting for anyone-but-the-Tories if they're genuinely concerned and not just relitigating the last election on behalf of their fave.

[fishfoodie]

Just watching the blithering idiot being; or at least someone is trying to question him; & he's floundering like a fish on a deck.

He's an embarrassment.

He's just too lazy to even prepare for people asking questions; that the fucking cat could see would be asked.

He just trots out the same lies about how well, he's handle covid; & the jobs he's created

[Biffer]

Just for fun, what utopia looks like

Shows just how far behind they are in Scotland if a 34% swing doesn't get them the majority of seats.

[I like neeps]

Politics is compromise.

Look, let's not pretend that Corbynites are about pushing left-wing policies. They're about Jeremy Corbyn and whoever worships Jeremy Corbyn. Everyone else is a Tory in disguise. I also want Labour to push more left-wing policies, and I'd happily like a left-wing candidate who was good enough to get my vote. But we're stuck with people who are even more mediocre than Corbyn, a man so unsuited to leadership it's a wonder he hasn't been put in charge of English cricket.

What we're seeing isn't any kind of refuting of policies. It's the extended death-whinge of a wave of people who were only ever interested in Jezza and who cannot get over just how much the country rejected him personally. Starmer is fair game for criticism, but the criticism these useless fucks come up with is usually totally bereft of substance and nothing more than shit memes and a total inability to understand politics.

They are a broken bunch of people who are as toxic to the voting population as they are to anyone who isn't part of the Corbyn Cult in Labour.

(Also, I disagree that "voting someone out" isn't a big driver at times, for the record)

I'm not sure. Corbyn has very few supporters in the press past fringe outlets such as The Canary and Novara. Twitter isn't reflective of reality either. I think most people who liked Corbyn were people who liked his policies. And most of them are young people 18-25 or committed socialists.

If Starmer doesn't advance a socialist cause why would a socialist vote for him? If Starmer doesn't have a load of policies that clearly benefit 18-25 year olds why would they vote for him?

The strategy Starmer is following is to win back the "red wall" Tories. Home owning brexiteers aged 40+. Good luck to him. But if people don't want to vote for policies created for that group of people fair play I say.

I'm sure compromise for some people is the best solution - I vote lib dem as I live in a Lib dem Tory marginal so it's best for me. But it's not a motivational voting strategy and policy platform so if someone doesn't want to vote like that it's fine by me.

I can assure you that the people wanking on about this being a failure for Starmer - i.e. the people we were talking about what I started this line of conversation - are exactly the people who are Corbyn-uber-alles. His was a cult of personality - surely you must recognise that?

Totally agree Corbyn has very few supporters in the press. We're not talking about the press. We're talking about the chunk of Labour members & supporters who are besotted with him, who can't stop talking about him, who are endlessly bitter that Starmer recognised how toxic Corbyn's legacy is for the voting public, and who would rather spend their entire time putting the boot into Labour than giving a shit about the Tories losing power.

To me, the calculation is pretty simple:

- A good left wing Labour leader would be ideal. There are no standouts, and most of the left-wing MPs in the Party are fucking useless
- Starmer is pretty centrist, and doesn't have enough left wing proposals for my liking; some of his beliefs I actively dislike
- Starmer is attempting to rebrand Labour and clean the Corbyn mess off it to be able to appeal to the voters they lost under Corbyn
- The Tories have continued to lurch to the right, and are introducing ever more authoritarian / borderline fascist measures
- A Labour led by Starmer would be disappointing and by some large measure preferable to me personally than the fucking Tories holding on to power, and I can't see how Labour would ever be as bad for the common people as the Tories, let alone THIS mob of Tories

Side notes:
- The Corbynites are part of the reason why Labour became so unelectable, they may not be that many in pure numbers but they are actively harmful to Labour's election chances. There's nowhere near enough of them to win an election with their preferred candidate, but they can do a lot of damage as long as they continue pissing inside the tent
- The Corbynites are, IMO, preventing saner left candidates emerging, because the idea that left wing MUST be synonymous with Jezza is holding back the left


Anyone who is concerned enough about Starmer's policies not being left wing enough should abso-fucking-lutely be voting for anyone-but-the-Tories if they're genuinely concerned and not just relitigating the last election on behalf of their fave.

Honestly mate I'm far too online with Twitter and the only person I've seen say yesterday was a bad result for Starmer is Dan Hodges and then even Corbyn friendly people such as Owen Jones are disagreeing.

Okay but I doubt the Labour members who joined to vote for and during the Corbyn years was because of Corbyn specifically it's more likely his policies and from groups such as committed socialists and young people. I think it's less talking about Corbyn too but what he represented.

I'm not saying your calculation is wrong. I very much doubt Starmer can win an election with his lack of aspirational policy platform because Johnson is gone soon as so just being a capable looking grown up won't work. And the Tories are a party set up for ageing homeowners so honestly not sure how Labour wins back the red wall so long as house prices grow. The real working class people aren't homeowners in Fleetwood but renters in metropolitan areas. Old class systems from 40/50 years ago are a useless projection of anything.

Anyway this is pretty key: "Starmer is attempting to rebrand Labour and clean the Corbyn mess off it to be able to appeal to the voters they lost under Corbyn"

If a leader is actively trying to disavow what you believe in. You aren't going to vote for him.

The reality is most people aren't paying attention to the nationality bills and rampant corruption the Tories are involved in and if Labour don't provide an aspirational policy platform or a leader who has charisma and motivates support then that's Labour's problem.

[JM2K6]

Honestly mate I'm far too online with Twitter and the only person I've seen say yesterday was a bad result for Starmer is Dan Hodges and then even Corbyn friendly people such as Owen Jones are disagreeing.

There's a reason why #StarmerOut is trending!



Look at the responses to most tweets on the topic. Loads of angry acolytes wanking on about how Labour got way more votes under Corbyn. Memes flying around.

Okay but I doubt the Labour members who joined to vote for and during the Corbyn years was because of Corbyn specifically it's more likely his policies and from groups such as committed socialists and young people. I think it's less talking about Corbyn too but what he represented.

No, it was for Corbyn specifically. That's what Momentum was all about - shoehorning in their favourite protest MP to the position he was least suited to be in, then defending him to the death. The only left-wingers who get their support now are the ones who pledged undying support to Jezza; anyone who criticised him is ostracised, and woe betide anyone who isn't as left wing, no matter how good they are.

I'm not saying your calculation is wrong. I very much doubt Starmer can win an election with his lack of aspirational policy platform because Johnson is gone soon as so just being a capable looking grown up won't work. And the Tories are a party set up for ageing homeowners so honestly not sure how Labour wins back the red wall so long as house prices grow. The real working class people aren't homeowners in Fleetwood but renters in metropolitan areas. Old class systems from 40/50 years ago are a useless projection of anything.

Anyway this is pretty key: "Starmer is attempting to rebrand Labour and clean the Corbyn mess off it to be able to appeal to the voters they lost under Corbyn"

If a leader is actively trying to disavow what you believe in. You aren't going to vote for him.

Exactly! If what you believe in is Jeremy Corbyn, then you're not going to vote for anyone else. Corbyn is not just unelectable, he's anathema to anyone who isn't one of his fan club. That's the point I'm making: it's not about left wing vs centrist vs right wing, it's about Corbyn, Corbyn acolytes, and True Believers. The noisemakers are worthless to Labour in terms of voting power, but they do a shit-ton of damage to Labour itself.

The reality is most people aren't paying attention to the nationality bills and rampant corruption the Tories are involved in and if Labour don't provide an aspirational policy platform or a leader who has no charisma then that's Labour's problem.

If only we'd just had some kind of proxy vote on the Tories very recently

[I like neeps]

Honestly mate I'm far too online with Twitter and the only person I've seen say yesterday was a bad result for Starmer is Dan Hodges and then even Corbyn friendly people such as Owen Jones are disagreeing.

There's a reason why #StarmerOut is trending!



Look at the responses to most tweets on the topic. Loads of angry acolytes wanking on about how Labour got way more votes under Corbyn. Memes flying around.

Okay but I doubt the Labour members who joined to vote for and during the Corbyn years was because of Corbyn specifically it's more likely his policies and from groups such as committed socialists and young people. I think it's less talking about Corbyn too but what he represented.

No, it was for Corbyn specifically. That's what Momentum was all about - shoehorning in their favourite protest MP to the position he was least suited to be in, then defending him to the death. The only left-wingers who get their support now are the ones who pledged undying support to Jezza; anyone who criticised him is ostracised, and woe betide anyone who isn't as left wing, no matter how good they are.

I'm not saying your calculation is wrong. I very much doubt Starmer can win an election with his lack of aspirational policy platform because Johnson is gone soon as so just being a capable looking grown up won't work. And the Tories are a party set up for ageing homeowners so honestly not sure how Labour wins back the red wall so long as house prices grow. The real working class people aren't homeowners in Fleetwood but renters in metropolitan areas. Old class systems from 40/50 years ago are a useless projection of anything.

Anyway this is pretty key: "Starmer is attempting to rebrand Labour and clean the Corbyn mess off it to be able to appeal to the voters they lost under Corbyn"

If a leader is actively trying to disavow what you believe in. You aren't going to vote for him.

Exactly! If what you believe in is Jeremy Corbyn, then you're not going to vote for anyone else. Corbyn is not just unelectable, he's anathema to anyone who isn't one of his fan club. That's the point I'm making: it's not about left wing vs centrist vs right wing, it's about Corbyn, Corbyn acolytes, and True Believers. The noisemakers are worthless to Labour in terms of voting power, but they do a shit-ton of damage to Labour itself.

The reality is most people aren't paying attention to the nationality bills and rampant corruption the Tories are involved in and if Labour don't provide an aspirational policy platform or a leader who has no charisma then that's Labour's problem.

If only we'd just had some kind of proxy vote on the Tories very recently

As far I can see there's 2.5k tweets under Starmer out and 8000 under Starmer's Labour on my Twitter app. There's 80k tweets about Chris Whitty as a comparison. That's barely anything.

Corbyn was the figurehead of the movement. They support the MPs who back the movement. That's not really a surprise and has very little to do with Corbyn personally. It's also only got 30k members that's not many people. Are fringe socialists damaging to Labour? Maybe. But Starmer's problem is also the mental brexiteers who aren't damaging to the Tories.

The Tories will win back north Shropshire next election when this is all forgotten and Liz Truss is in charge. Johnson's Tories won on a repudiation of the damage and mess 10 years of Tory government caused. If inflation causes house prices to collapse and homeowners being screwed rather than the beneficiaries of every economic policy maybe they'll lose. But until then, they will not.

[PCPhil]

Only problem is, they're doing exactly what the title says - not voting. The tory voters didn't turn out, not many of them changed their vote.

Although there was a big fall in turn out, the Lib Dem vote still increased by 12,000 so clearly some of some of them did change their vote.

As the Tory vote fell by about 23,000, it seems about half of those stayed at home, while the others switched to the Lib Dems.

Nope. Labour vote fell from 12.5k to 3.5k. So most of the swing was from Labour to Lib Dem.

More realistic to think that the Labour vote turned out and tried to get the Tories out, than the old dears in the shires suddenly voted against them.

The power of tactical voting. Hmm…. Let me check the stats in my area at last GE.

[SaintK]

Just watching the blithering idiot being; or at least someone is trying to question him; & he's floundering like a fish on a deck.

He's an embarrassment.

He's just too lazy to even prepare for people asking questions; that the fucking cat could see would be asked.

He just trots out the same lies about how well, he's handle covid; & the jobs he's created

Sam Coates from Sky was taking him to the cleaners.

He brushed off questions about his personal responsibility for the scandals over how a Tory donor funded his wallpaper in Downing Street and the allegations of parties in Downing Street during lockdown, appearing to blame the media for focusing too much on these issues.

Asked about the Tory MPs who are warning him that he could be removed as leader if he does not get a grip in No 10, Johnson refused to answer on the grounds that it was a question about politics and politicians. He said:

Can I remind you of everything I’ve been saying in this interview? That is exactly the kind of question that breaks the golden rule.

[SaintK]

Just watching the blithering idiot being; or at least someone is trying to question him; & he's floundering like a fish on a deck.

He's an embarrassment.

He's just too lazy to even prepare for people asking questions; that the fucking cat could see would be asked.

He just trots out the same lies about how well, he's handle covid; & the jobs he's created

Sam Coates from Sky was taking him to the cleaners.

He brushed off questions about his personal responsibility for the scandals over how a Tory donor funded his wallpaper in Downing Street and the allegations of parties in Downing Street during lockdown, appearing to blame the media for focusing too much on these issues.

Asked about the Tory MPs who are warning him that he could be removed as leader if he does not get a grip in No 10, Johnson refused to answer on the grounds that it was a question about politics and politicians. He said:

Can I remind you of everything I’ve been saying in this interview? That is exactly the kind of question that breaks the golden rule.

For those who didn't see or hear it

[sturginho]

[Hellraiser]

I think you'll find that the Corbynites are busy spinning this as a huge defeat for Labour and a referendum on Kier Starmer.

Mentalists. They are seemingly determined to stop anyone other than the Tories being in power due to the purity of their cause.

The Arthur Scargill school of political thought.

[SaintK]

So the b londe slug did actually appoint someone to investigate the so called "parties" who organised one of his own!!!!

The cabinet secretary Simon Case who is investigating Christmas parties last year in Downing Street, attended an “impromptus Christmas drinks gathering” in his office last year, according to Politico and the Independent.
Citing two officials who were present Politico says Case “shared drinks with a group of 15 to 20 staff at his office and in the waiting room outside at 70 Whitehall in mid-December 2020.”

[tabascoboy]

So the b londe slug did actually appoint someone to investigate the so called "parties" who organised one of his own!!!!

The cabinet secretary Simon Case who is investigating Christmas parties last year in Downing Street, attended an “impromptus Christmas drinks gathering” in his office last year, according to Politico and the Independent.
Citing two officials who were present Politico says Case “shared drinks with a group of 15 to 20 staff at his office and in the waiting room outside at 70 Whitehall in mid-December 2020.”

No conflict of interest there then, no none at all ...

[PCPhil]

Just watching the blithering idiot being; or at least someone is trying to question him; & he's floundering like a fish on a deck.

He's an embarrassment.

He's just too lazy to even prepare for people asking questions; that the fucking cat could see would be asked.

He just trots out the same lies about how well, he's handle covid; & the jobs he's created

Sam Coates from Sky was taking him to the cleaners.

He brushed off questions about his personal responsibility for the scandals over how a Tory donor funded his wallpaper in Downing Street and the allegations of parties in Downing Street during lockdown, appearing to blame the media for focusing too much on these issues.

Asked about the Tory MPs who are warning him that he could be removed as leader if he does not get a grip in No 10, Johnson refused to answer on the grounds that it was a question about politics and politicians. He said:

Can I remind you of everything I’ve been saying in this interview? That is exactly the kind of question that breaks the golden rule.

For those who didn't see or hear it

I gave a better response as a callow 24 year old trying to defend terrible sales figures for the 1/4 cus I was on the lash each night.
His hair looks like he just woke up (possible) or did someone ruffle it too much before he went on. He looks like a tramp. Ooo, and who said, "sh1t, stick a mask on for f's sake," at the last second.

[PCPhil]

I think you'll find that the Corbynites are busy spinning this as a huge defeat for Labour and a referendum on Kier Starmer.

Mentalists. They are seemingly determined to stop anyone other than the Tories being in power due to the purity of their cause.

The Arthur Scargill school of political thought.

Those morons remind me of The Life of Brian scene in the amphitheater. The only people they hate more than the Romans are the Peoples Judean front....'Splitters!'

[fishfoodie]

So the b londe slug did actually appoint someone to investigate the so called "parties" who organised one of his own!!!!

The cabinet secretary Simon Case who is investigating Christmas parties last year in Downing Street, attended an “impromptus Christmas drinks gathering” in his office last year, according to Politico and the Independent.
Citing two officials who were present Politico says Case “shared drinks with a group of 15 to 20 staff at his office and in the waiting room outside at 70 Whitehall in mid-December 2020.”

No conflict of interest there then, no none at all ...

Sounds like he's been thrown to the wolves

[I like neeps]

I can't believe the person they put in post to whitewash the investigation was compromised. Huh.

[tabascoboy]

Right, time to own up: which one of our Scottish boardies is this?

[dpedin]

Right, time to own up: which one of our Scottish boardies is this?

Not me but I'm proud, very proud!

[dpedin]

Sam Coates from Sky was taking him to the cleaners.

For those who didn't see or hear it

I gave a better response as a callow 24 year old trying to defend terrible sales figures for the 1/4 cus I was on the lash each night.
His hair looks like he just woke up (possible) or did someone ruffle it too much before he went on. He looks like a tramp. Ooo, and who said, "sh1t, stick a mask on for f's sake," at the last second.

Too many stiffners at lunchtime ... again?

[dpedin]

So the guy who was asked to investigate the parties (which are only parties if they have balloons and dancing) which didn't happen but if they did they didn't break any rules, by the leader of the party who held all the parties or didn't hold all the parties, has now been found to have had his own parties, which he didn't really attend, weren't really parties and if they were didn't break any rules, has now stood down from investigating the parties, even if there were any parties in the first place!

Talk about digging a hole for yourselves ... someone please take their feckin spade away from them!!!

[fishfoodie]

So the guy who was asked to investigate the parties (which are only parties if they have balloons and dancing) which didn't happen but if they did they didn't break any rules, by the leader of the party who held all the parties or didn't hold all the parties, has now been found to have had his own parties, which he didn't really attend, weren't really parties and if they were didn't break any rules, has now stood down from investigating the parties, even if there were any parties in the first place!

Talk about digging a hole for yourselves ... someone please take their feckin spade away from them!!!

Now they have to find some other senior official who wasn't at a Christmas party under lockdown ...... this could take awhile ....

Is there anyone in the CS; who was in ICU last Christmas; with Covid; & thus, definitely not having a good time; & has since recovered ?

[tabascoboy]

So the guy who was asked to investigate the parties (which are only parties if they have balloons and dancing) which didn't happen but if they did they didn't break any rules, by the leader of the party who held all the parties or didn't hold all the parties, has now been found to have had his own parties, which he didn't really attend, weren't really parties and if they were didn't break any rules, has now stood down from investigating the parties, even if there were any parties in the first place!

Talk about digging a hole for yourselves ... someone please take their feckin spade away from them!!!

What a complete shitshow

[fishfoodie]

Government, by Brownian Motion.

In December 2021, it was announced that Gray would take over the investigation into the alleged Christmas parties that took place at 10 Downing Street during the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom against lockdown legislation and guidance at the time. The probe was initially led by Simon Case, the Cabinet Secretary, until he recused himself following separate allegations about Christmas parties in his own office during the same period.

So after appointing someone, he thought he could manipulate to ignore the illegal parties; he's then forced to appoint someone who is above any suspicion of being in any Politicians pocket; & thus drops his Government into the worst possible position in the New Year .... Happy Days !

Boris Johnson brings in ‘sleaze-buster’ Sue Gray to tackle threat to the Union

Boris Johnson has brought back Whitehall’s former “sleaze-buster” to lead a government team tackling the threat to the Union.

Sue Gray, whose investigations effectively ended the careers of at least two cabinet ministers, left her job as the Cabinet Office’s ethics tsar in 2018 to take up a role for the Northern Ireland executive.

Sue Gray: Civil servant seen as 'too challenging' for top job

Boris Johnson's principal adviser on the union has said she may have been overlooked for the top job in the NI Civil Service because it was thought she was "too much of a challenger".

When Sue Gray was head of the Propriety and Ethics Team in the Cabinet Office, she was described as "the most powerful civil servant you've never heard of".

She was also dubbed "the most powerful woman in Britain".

But in 2020 she failed to become head of the NI Civil Service.

Ms Gray had a formidable reputation as a highly secretive enforcer as she investigated whether rules had been broken by ministers, officials and special advisers.

One of those investigations resulted in the resignation of Theresa May's former deputy Damien Green who was accused of inappropriate behaviour towards a young Tory activist and having pornography on his office computer.

Yet again; if the thick cunt had just resisted his first impulse to lie; he could have thrown some people under the bus; & the media would have moved on. Instead he just fucking lied; & tried to do nothing at all; because that worked in all his previous gigs; But now he's PM; & people don't just ignore what a useless cunt he is.

Now he's done yet another U-Turn; but this time he's made a massive mistake; & brought a hit woman into investigate the wrong doings; & if she finds that he's involved; she'll gut him; & garnish the fat fuck with herbs; before popping him into the over at Gas mark 7; with a lemon up his arse.

[PCPhil]

Except, unless I am mistaken, any produced report will be going to No.10 for a careful considered opinion.

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