Rwanda was full.
Dinghy arrivals / asylum seekers / gimmegrants
This incident is a good example of why it's fruitless for the Tories to keep banging the immigrant drum. Both Jenrick and Braverman have commented on it. Jenrick "Detain and remove illegal migrants. End the merry go round of spurious individual claims". Braverman "The immigration history to this case demonstrates why we need a fundamental overhaul of human rights laws. We need to leave the ECHR" and "This is a national security emergency and realistic, hard headed measures are needed if we are to control our borders & keep the British people safe".
Jenrick was Immigration Minister 2 months ago. Braverman was Home Secretary 3 months ago.
This is the sort of thing that works for an opposition. It doesn't work when the incompetent people who preside over the mess are complaining. The UK migration system is a total and unmitigated shambles: Under funded, staffing issues, huge backlogs, a set of rules so complicated and convoluted (as well as ever changing) that someone in the exact same circumstances as someone else can get a completely different outcome (or alternatively the same person can go through the system multiple times until they get their desired outcome), completely legal immigrants having to go through lengthy and costly (time/money/missed opportunities) form filling exercises, asylum seekers being waved through to clear the backlog or because they've been in the UK so long unprocessed they've acquired rights to work and would now have a non-asylum based case anyway, other asylum seekers being removed from the processing list to make it look like the backlog is cleared those people going into limbo or disappearing.
Instead of trying to fix any of this, the likes of Braverman twerk in front of the dumpster fire they helped build. So much time and money went into the barge and Rwanda, for months the media focused on both and for the most part presented them as the answer, all for zero results so far. All whilst the UK migration system slowly collapses. Fixing this would now take up at least an entire term of government and cover multiple areas.
I watched the France v Ireland match in a village pub. This incident came up in idle chat pre-match, the outcome Tory voting yeoman came to was "the Tories have been in power 15 years, they are to blame". The Tories will get zero mileage out of focusing on immigration, all it does is boost the Reform vote a party unlikely to win any seats.
Jenrick was Immigration Minister 2 months ago. Braverman was Home Secretary 3 months ago.
This is the sort of thing that works for an opposition. It doesn't work when the incompetent people who preside over the mess are complaining. The UK migration system is a total and unmitigated shambles: Under funded, staffing issues, huge backlogs, a set of rules so complicated and convoluted (as well as ever changing) that someone in the exact same circumstances as someone else can get a completely different outcome (or alternatively the same person can go through the system multiple times until they get their desired outcome), completely legal immigrants having to go through lengthy and costly (time/money/missed opportunities) form filling exercises, asylum seekers being waved through to clear the backlog or because they've been in the UK so long unprocessed they've acquired rights to work and would now have a non-asylum based case anyway, other asylum seekers being removed from the processing list to make it look like the backlog is cleared those people going into limbo or disappearing.
Instead of trying to fix any of this, the likes of Braverman twerk in front of the dumpster fire they helped build. So much time and money went into the barge and Rwanda, for months the media focused on both and for the most part presented them as the answer, all for zero results so far. All whilst the UK migration system slowly collapses. Fixing this would now take up at least an entire term of government and cover multiple areas.
I watched the France v Ireland match in a village pub. This incident came up in idle chat pre-match, the outcome Tory voting yeoman came to was "the Tories have been in power 15 years, they are to blame". The Tories will get zero mileage out of focusing on immigration, all it does is boost the Reform vote a party unlikely to win any seats.
This government has a blood on its hands with its useless policies enabling mass illegal immigration and weak policing.Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:53 am A pretty barbaric attack
At about 7.25pm on Wednesday, horrified residents of a quiet suburb in Clapham, south London, looked out of their windows to see a frantic scene.
A white Hyundai had pulled over and a woman was screaming “help, help” in the street. A young girl was in the back seat, banging on the car window.
Suddenly a man, Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, 35, climbed out of the car and, according to a witness, opened the child’s door and pulled her out of the vehicle.
“He took the child from the seat and lifted them above his head and smashed her on the floor — then he picked her up from the floor and did it again,” the witness said.
Another witness, Shannon Christi, a bus driver, said “I ran outside and as I ran outside I’ve seen this guy throwing a child on the floor — he picked her up and threw her again.
“So, at that point, I ran in and I grabbed her and took her into my block.” She was joined by about ten local residents who all tried to help the woman and two girls, aged eight and three.
The onlookers were unaware that Ezedi, dressed all in black, had attacked the woman and children with a chemical but when they looked at them closely, they could see what police would later describe as “life-changing” injuries.
Three women suffered minor burns after they rushed to the family’s aid moments after the attack. Two women in their thirties and another in her fifties were treated and discharged from hospital, the Metropolitan Police said. A man in his fifties also suffered minor burns but he declined medical treatment.
A CCTV camera opposite captured Ezedi getting back into the vehicle and attempting to drive off while a woman desperately tried to open his door.
He then drove into the woman, who had been standing in the road trying to stop him from leaving, and the car pushed her a few feet along the road.
The man attempted to flee again but struck a stationary car before getting out of the vehicle and running off towards Clapham Common.
A camera in the street filmed him falling over as he ran. During the chemical attack he had involuntarily covered the right side of his face with the substance.
As he left the scene, residents frantically tried to help the injured family.
Christi added: “At that point my skin started tingling as well, and my face started tingling.”
She said staff from the hotel opposite, the Clapham South Belvedere, took the toddler inside.
Another woman, who did not want to be named, said she saw the children screaming “my mum, my mum” as they were carried to the hotel.
She continued: “My lips were still tingling, kept burning, kept tingling, so I sat in the ambulance for a bit and then they took me to hospital. It all happened so fast.”
Christi said: “She [the girl] was three years old. I didn’t see anything on her clothes, but there was something on her coat that got transferred to me.
“It all happened so fast. It didn’t look like it was on her skin. She landed on her face. It was scratched, bruised. I couldn’t see blood. I saw the mother afterwards. She then walked up and said: ‘I can’t see! I can’t see!’ Her face was red and sore. Her eyes were closed and she was screaming: ‘I can’t see!’
“That’s when I realised something had been thrown at her. So I called for someone to get water.”
A man in his twenties who had been staying at the hotel for ten days claimed he saw the woman praying as she was treated for her injuries.
He said: “They brought the kids in my hotel. I was trying to calm them down. He [had thrown] acid at the woman’s face. He hurt the girls as well.
“She [the victim] was Muslim. She was praying to her God, she was praying to Allah.
“She was in the toilets and the kids were praying. The mother was calming her daughters. She looked really bad, the mother. She was crying, a Romanian woman was trying to clean her face and they were helping the kids as well. The woman was speaking fluent English.”
He added: “The kid was saying thank you for giving me back to my mum.”
Police officers and ambulances arrived shortly afterwards and a helicopter was brought in to scour the area.
The attacker was spotted later, at 8.48pm on Wednesday, in Caledonian Road, north London, six miles away buying a bottle of water in Tesco.
The image from shop CCTV shows his face badly disfigured from the chemical substance.
On Thursday, there were discarded bottles of Diphoterine solution, which is used to rinse chemical products, in the street in Clapham and the road and cars were covered in water to wash the alkaline away.
Five police officers who helped the family had to be taken to hospital with minor wounds caused by the chemical, as did three residents.
The hotel houses homeless people and migrants and several locals said the woman had been a resident there.
One said: “As I understand it, it was a domestic incident, very horrible. We’ve been up all night, everyone is very upset, parents have children on this street.
“We had helicopters circling, dogs were out, they told us not to leave our houses. Residents are worried it’s a random chap throwing acid but it’s not and they have no need to be worried. She was a resident at the hotel. The hotel is full of Afghan refugees from a load of different boroughs.”
At about 1.30pm on Thursday, police held a press conference at the scene of the attack, where they identified the wanted man.
Superintendent Gabriel Cameron said: “We are now naming the man we want to speak to as Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, who is aged 35. We believe he travelled down from Newcastle earlier that day.
“We don’t know yet what led to it. We’re working to establish the circumstances. A manhunt to trace Ezedi is under way. We are working with partner agencies and forces including the British Transport Police to locate and arrest him. If you see Ezedi, call 999 immediately. He should not be approached.”
Police also turned their attention to Newcastle upon Tyne, where Ezedi had been staying with refugee and homelessness charities.
A resident at his most recent address, a hostel in Byker, said he had moved into the area in the past four months but had not been seen for a week. They described him as “quiet and polite” to his neighbours. A police car was stationed 50 metres away.
A local car dealer, Bilal Khan, said Ezedi had tried to haggle him down on a car from £5,000 to £4,000.
He said: “I’ve never seen him with anyone. As far as I could see, he spent his days on his own hanging around the street near the hostel.”
The Tories and their apologists should hang their heads in shame.
Useless open door immigration policies are a disgrace.
........and a dysfunctional Home Office and Justice Dept due to lack of investment and cuts and the chopping and changing of SEcretaries of State and ministers.C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:22 amThis government has a blood on its hands with its useless policies enabling mass illegal immigration and weak policing.Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:53 am A pretty barbaric attack
At about 7.25pm on Wednesday, horrified residents of a quiet suburb in Clapham, south London, looked out of their windows to see a frantic scene.
A white Hyundai had pulled over and a woman was screaming “help, help” in the street. A young girl was in the back seat, banging on the car window.
Suddenly a man, Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, 35, climbed out of the car and, according to a witness, opened the child’s door and pulled her out of the vehicle.
“He took the child from the seat and lifted them above his head and smashed her on the floor — then he picked her up from the floor and did it again,” the witness said.
Another witness, Shannon Christi, a bus driver, said “I ran outside and as I ran outside I’ve seen this guy throwing a child on the floor — he picked her up and threw her again.
“So, at that point, I ran in and I grabbed her and took her into my block.” She was joined by about ten local residents who all tried to help the woman and two girls, aged eight and three.
The onlookers were unaware that Ezedi, dressed all in black, had attacked the woman and children with a chemical but when they looked at them closely, they could see what police would later describe as “life-changing” injuries.
Three women suffered minor burns after they rushed to the family’s aid moments after the attack. Two women in their thirties and another in her fifties were treated and discharged from hospital, the Metropolitan Police said. A man in his fifties also suffered minor burns but he declined medical treatment.
A CCTV camera opposite captured Ezedi getting back into the vehicle and attempting to drive off while a woman desperately tried to open his door.
He then drove into the woman, who had been standing in the road trying to stop him from leaving, and the car pushed her a few feet along the road.
The man attempted to flee again but struck a stationary car before getting out of the vehicle and running off towards Clapham Common.
A camera in the street filmed him falling over as he ran. During the chemical attack he had involuntarily covered the right side of his face with the substance.
As he left the scene, residents frantically tried to help the injured family.
Christi added: “At that point my skin started tingling as well, and my face started tingling.”
She said staff from the hotel opposite, the Clapham South Belvedere, took the toddler inside.
Another woman, who did not want to be named, said she saw the children screaming “my mum, my mum” as they were carried to the hotel.
She continued: “My lips were still tingling, kept burning, kept tingling, so I sat in the ambulance for a bit and then they took me to hospital. It all happened so fast.”
Christi said: “She [the girl] was three years old. I didn’t see anything on her clothes, but there was something on her coat that got transferred to me.
“It all happened so fast. It didn’t look like it was on her skin. She landed on her face. It was scratched, bruised. I couldn’t see blood. I saw the mother afterwards. She then walked up and said: ‘I can’t see! I can’t see!’ Her face was red and sore. Her eyes were closed and she was screaming: ‘I can’t see!’
“That’s when I realised something had been thrown at her. So I called for someone to get water.”
A man in his twenties who had been staying at the hotel for ten days claimed he saw the woman praying as she was treated for her injuries.
He said: “They brought the kids in my hotel. I was trying to calm them down. He [had thrown] acid at the woman’s face. He hurt the girls as well.
“She [the victim] was Muslim. She was praying to her God, she was praying to Allah.
“She was in the toilets and the kids were praying. The mother was calming her daughters. She looked really bad, the mother. She was crying, a Romanian woman was trying to clean her face and they were helping the kids as well. The woman was speaking fluent English.”
He added: “The kid was saying thank you for giving me back to my mum.”
Police officers and ambulances arrived shortly afterwards and a helicopter was brought in to scour the area.
The attacker was spotted later, at 8.48pm on Wednesday, in Caledonian Road, north London, six miles away buying a bottle of water in Tesco.
The image from shop CCTV shows his face badly disfigured from the chemical substance.
On Thursday, there were discarded bottles of Diphoterine solution, which is used to rinse chemical products, in the street in Clapham and the road and cars were covered in water to wash the alkaline away.
Five police officers who helped the family had to be taken to hospital with minor wounds caused by the chemical, as did three residents.
The hotel houses homeless people and migrants and several locals said the woman had been a resident there.
One said: “As I understand it, it was a domestic incident, very horrible. We’ve been up all night, everyone is very upset, parents have children on this street.
“We had helicopters circling, dogs were out, they told us not to leave our houses. Residents are worried it’s a random chap throwing acid but it’s not and they have no need to be worried. She was a resident at the hotel. The hotel is full of Afghan refugees from a load of different boroughs.”
At about 1.30pm on Thursday, police held a press conference at the scene of the attack, where they identified the wanted man.
Superintendent Gabriel Cameron said: “We are now naming the man we want to speak to as Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, who is aged 35. We believe he travelled down from Newcastle earlier that day.
“We don’t know yet what led to it. We’re working to establish the circumstances. A manhunt to trace Ezedi is under way. We are working with partner agencies and forces including the British Transport Police to locate and arrest him. If you see Ezedi, call 999 immediately. He should not be approached.”
Police also turned their attention to Newcastle upon Tyne, where Ezedi had been staying with refugee and homelessness charities.
A resident at his most recent address, a hostel in Byker, said he had moved into the area in the past four months but had not been seen for a week. They described him as “quiet and polite” to his neighbours. A police car was stationed 50 metres away.
A local car dealer, Bilal Khan, said Ezedi had tried to haggle him down on a car from £5,000 to £4,000.
He said: “I’ve never seen him with anyone. As far as I could see, he spent his days on his own hanging around the street near the hostel.”
The Tories and their apologists should hang their heads in shame.
Useless open door immigration policies are a disgrace.
They have been utterly useless.SaintK wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:25 am........and a dysfunctional Home Office and Justice Dept due to lack of investment and cuts and the chopping and changing of SEcretaries of State and ministers.
here are a selection of hotels 
The Government failures over the last 14 years and the departmental cuts and lack of leadership have a direct causative relationship.
Vote Tory for massive illegal immigration and more violence
Find myself nodding in agreement with you Biffer. By christwhen I rad it ,I wondered what the hell hasv this site sunk too?
It's actually worse than an open door immigration policy, because coming to the UK properly if you are honest is an absolute ballache.C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:22 amThis government has a blood on its hands with its useless policies enabling mass illegal immigration and weak policing.Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:53 am A pretty barbaric attack
At about 7.25pm on Wednesday, horrified residents of a quiet suburb in Clapham, south London, looked out of their windows to see a frantic scene.
A white Hyundai had pulled over and a woman was screaming “help, help” in the street. A young girl was in the back seat, banging on the car window.
Suddenly a man, Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, 35, climbed out of the car and, according to a witness, opened the child’s door and pulled her out of the vehicle.
“He took the child from the seat and lifted them above his head and smashed her on the floor — then he picked her up from the floor and did it again,” the witness said.
Another witness, Shannon Christi, a bus driver, said “I ran outside and as I ran outside I’ve seen this guy throwing a child on the floor — he picked her up and threw her again.
“So, at that point, I ran in and I grabbed her and took her into my block.” She was joined by about ten local residents who all tried to help the woman and two girls, aged eight and three.
The onlookers were unaware that Ezedi, dressed all in black, had attacked the woman and children with a chemical but when they looked at them closely, they could see what police would later describe as “life-changing” injuries.
Three women suffered minor burns after they rushed to the family’s aid moments after the attack. Two women in their thirties and another in her fifties were treated and discharged from hospital, the Metropolitan Police said. A man in his fifties also suffered minor burns but he declined medical treatment.
A CCTV camera opposite captured Ezedi getting back into the vehicle and attempting to drive off while a woman desperately tried to open his door.
He then drove into the woman, who had been standing in the road trying to stop him from leaving, and the car pushed her a few feet along the road.
The man attempted to flee again but struck a stationary car before getting out of the vehicle and running off towards Clapham Common.
A camera in the street filmed him falling over as he ran. During the chemical attack he had involuntarily covered the right side of his face with the substance.
As he left the scene, residents frantically tried to help the injured family.
Christi added: “At that point my skin started tingling as well, and my face started tingling.”
She said staff from the hotel opposite, the Clapham South Belvedere, took the toddler inside.
Another woman, who did not want to be named, said she saw the children screaming “my mum, my mum” as they were carried to the hotel.
She continued: “My lips were still tingling, kept burning, kept tingling, so I sat in the ambulance for a bit and then they took me to hospital. It all happened so fast.”
Christi said: “She [the girl] was three years old. I didn’t see anything on her clothes, but there was something on her coat that got transferred to me.
“It all happened so fast. It didn’t look like it was on her skin. She landed on her face. It was scratched, bruised. I couldn’t see blood. I saw the mother afterwards. She then walked up and said: ‘I can’t see! I can’t see!’ Her face was red and sore. Her eyes were closed and she was screaming: ‘I can’t see!’
“That’s when I realised something had been thrown at her. So I called for someone to get water.”
A man in his twenties who had been staying at the hotel for ten days claimed he saw the woman praying as she was treated for her injuries.
He said: “They brought the kids in my hotel. I was trying to calm them down. He [had thrown] acid at the woman’s face. He hurt the girls as well.
“She [the victim] was Muslim. She was praying to her God, she was praying to Allah.
“She was in the toilets and the kids were praying. The mother was calming her daughters. She looked really bad, the mother. She was crying, a Romanian woman was trying to clean her face and they were helping the kids as well. The woman was speaking fluent English.”
He added: “The kid was saying thank you for giving me back to my mum.”
Police officers and ambulances arrived shortly afterwards and a helicopter was brought in to scour the area.
The attacker was spotted later, at 8.48pm on Wednesday, in Caledonian Road, north London, six miles away buying a bottle of water in Tesco.
The image from shop CCTV shows his face badly disfigured from the chemical substance.
On Thursday, there were discarded bottles of Diphoterine solution, which is used to rinse chemical products, in the street in Clapham and the road and cars were covered in water to wash the alkaline away.
Five police officers who helped the family had to be taken to hospital with minor wounds caused by the chemical, as did three residents.
The hotel houses homeless people and migrants and several locals said the woman had been a resident there.
One said: “As I understand it, it was a domestic incident, very horrible. We’ve been up all night, everyone is very upset, parents have children on this street.
“We had helicopters circling, dogs were out, they told us not to leave our houses. Residents are worried it’s a random chap throwing acid but it’s not and they have no need to be worried. She was a resident at the hotel. The hotel is full of Afghan refugees from a load of different boroughs.”
At about 1.30pm on Thursday, police held a press conference at the scene of the attack, where they identified the wanted man.
Superintendent Gabriel Cameron said: “We are now naming the man we want to speak to as Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, who is aged 35. We believe he travelled down from Newcastle earlier that day.
“We don’t know yet what led to it. We’re working to establish the circumstances. A manhunt to trace Ezedi is under way. We are working with partner agencies and forces including the British Transport Police to locate and arrest him. If you see Ezedi, call 999 immediately. He should not be approached.”
Police also turned their attention to Newcastle upon Tyne, where Ezedi had been staying with refugee and homelessness charities.
A resident at his most recent address, a hostel in Byker, said he had moved into the area in the past four months but had not been seen for a week. They described him as “quiet and polite” to his neighbours. A police car was stationed 50 metres away.
A local car dealer, Bilal Khan, said Ezedi had tried to haggle him down on a car from £5,000 to £4,000.
He said: “I’ve never seen him with anyone. As far as I could see, he spent his days on his own hanging around the street near the hostel.”
The Tories and their apologists should hang their heads in shame.
Useless open door immigration policies are a disgrace.
I don’t disagree. I assume he couldn’t be deported.
But there is no way Labour will get tough on this.
Fundamentally, the home office do not have the legal tools at their disposal to get these people out of the country.
As much as you lot despise Braverman, I’d say she would be called despicable, but would get the job done. Step 1 to leave the ECHR by bringing the laws in to ours and modernising them.
Banding about the word racist … ffs There’s no singling out of any race. Pipe down.
Childish, fuckwitted ?? Can you find your post objecting to the “Tory scum” or “stop voting for the fucking Tories” thread title?
I’m sure it’s there, I just have not been able to find it.
Oddly enough I won’t pipe down when someone like you asks. Your extreme, bigoted shite will always be challenged.Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:22 amBanding about the word racist … ffs There’s no singling out of any race. Pipe down.
Childish, fuckwitted ?? Can you find your post objecting to the “Tory scum” or “stop voting for the fucking Tories” thread title?
I’m sure it’s there, I just have not been able to find it.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Here, have three virtue signalling medals for your emotive speechBiffer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:06 amOddly enough I won’t pipe down when someone like you asks. Your extreme, bigoted shite will always be challenged.Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:22 amBanding about the word racist … ffs There’s no singling out of any race. Pipe down.
Childish, fuckwitted ?? Can you find your post objecting to the “Tory scum” or “stop voting for the fucking Tories” thread title?
I’m sure it’s there, I just have not been able to find it.
Anyway, here’s an article from a polarising figure, I’ve not read it yet. Let’s see what she has to say.
Too many churches are facilitating bogus asylum claims. This must stop
Such scams are a symptom of a deeper malaise. Without leaving the ECHR, we will never get to grips with illegal immigration
SUELLA BRAVERMAN
3 February 2024 • 8:00pm
When do we say “enough is enough”? Why, four years after Brexit, have we not yet taken control of our borders, or shown any sign of being close to doing so?
I was proud to campaign to leave the EU in 2016. I wanted our country finally to regain sovereignty over our borders, end free movement of people and turn the tide of uncontrolled mass migration. I am angry that, despite delivering this landmark restoration of our sovereignty, we have not taken back control of our borders. Far from it.
For years, I defended the Home Office in immigration cases as a barrister and saw the reality of our broken asylum system. Then, it was sham marriages and bogus colleges that allowed migrants to game our system.
But, as Home Secretary, I saw how the racketeering has continued, and expanded in myriad ways.
Today, it is adults claiming to be children, Muslims pretending to be Christians, heterosexuals feigning homosexuality, healthy people alleging mental illness, economic migrants impersonating refugees fleeing persecution, those who have chosen to come here arguing that they have been trafficked as slaves, or those masquerading as political dissidents.
Many asylum seekers are genuine and it’s right that we offer help when their cause is just. But far too many are bogus and using our laws against us.
Take the church as an example. While at the Home Office, I became aware of churches around the country facilitating industrial-scale bogus asylum claims.
They are well-known within the migrant communities and, upon arrival in the UK, migrants are directed to these churches as a one-stop shop to bolster their asylum case. Attend Mass once a week for a few months, befriend the vicar, get your baptism date in the diary and, bingo, you’ll be signed off by a member of the clergy that you’re now a God-fearing Christian who will face certain persecution if removed to your Islamic country of origin.
It has to stop. We must get wise to the problem. It is no wonder that the former dean of Liverpool Cathedral noted that he converted about 200 asylum seekers to Christianity over a four-year period – but he doesn’t recall baptising any Muslim who was already a British citizen.
It’s why I set up a dedicated taskforce focused on rooting out the grifters enabling this sordid business. Through more reporting, increased investigations and tougher enforcement, it has succeeded in identifying some of the bad actors. This work must continue in earnest.
Our system remains broken when asylum seekers convicted of sex offences may remain in the UK. Once you break our laws, surely you forfeit any right to stay here? We need a system whereby foreign offenders automatically lose their right to claim asylum or plead modern slavery. No exceptions, no caveats.
Now, you’ll say: why didn’t you fix it when you had the chance as Home Secretary? Well, during the past year, we increased the number of removals of foreign offenders and those illegally here – an improvement on previous years and back to pre-Covid levels.
But the real reason we have not yet got to the bottom of the problem is that every time the Government passed yet another law, we balked at the chance to exclude the vague and evolving rules contained in international law, be it the Refugee Convention, the European Convention on Human Rights or the Human Rights Act.
While in government, I pushed to exclude these treaties from our asylum law, but to no avail. I laid out proposals on how to cut the Gordian knot of human rights law that is the root cause of the problem. These instruments stymie our ability to control who comes into our country, who stays here and who must leave.
The reality of government is that if the consensus is not with you, then even as Home Secretary you will not prevail. Instead, we got tweaks, compromises and half-measures. Post-Brexit, we did not take back control. Rather, we have ceded it to international law, a foreign court, and activist judges and lawyers.
I don’t seek to demonise those who, understandably, seek a better life abroad. Hundreds of millions of people live in poor conditions around the world and will have a profound desire to better themselves and their families. My own parents had that same deep longing when they emigrated – lawfully – to the UK from Kenya and Mauritius in the 1960s.
People may come here lawfully, in an orderly manner. But what we are talking about with illegal immigration is the deception, criminality and playing of the system that so defines our asylum policy in the 21st century.
We can dance around the issue for years to come, but the truth is that our government will always be limited in what it can do unless it withdraws from the European Convention on Human Rights. The jurisprudence from the Strasbourg Court that is binding in the UK has taken a broad and ever-expansive approach to the very noble rights set out in the original text. We’ve tried working within its boundaries for decades, but that approach has failed.
We can no longer allow amorphous concepts of international law to override the supremacy of Parliament, especially in matters of vital national interest. We cannot have fought for freedom, self-government and a voice for the British people in 2016 only to afford foreign offenders greater rights than their law-abiding victims.
The British people have voted time and time again for proper control of our borders. Yet we still have dubious characters coming to our country illegally every week. It is no wonder people are giving up on politics. This is a national-security and public-safety emergency. Gang warfare, terrorism, drugs, rape, murder, acid attacks – those capable of such heinous crimes will keep coming until we get serious, put the British people first, and pass the hard-headed laws required to properly secure our border.
Braverman is incompetent, she will get fuck all done. All she will do is twerk for people like you, and you'll enjoy it, meanwhile everything you care about gets worse.
It's quite amusing how bad she is. Lost a Tory nomination for a by-election in Brent East to her own mother. Parachuted into a majority Asian constituency in Leicester (she's from London) for the 2005 GE and lost to Keith Vaz. Sought nominations from other Tory branches where she wasn't from (exact number is contested) and failed. Failed to be elected for a London Assembly seat in 2012, despite it being a PR list (rated so poorly she didn't make it in a system where if the party rates you there's a strong chance you get elected, but she was too far down the list). Eventually parachuted into a safe seat in Hampshire and elected for the first time in the 2015 GE, somehow becomes Home Secretary in 2022 one of the very top positions (for reference look at Thatcher's rate of progression ... or even Gove, he was first elected in 2005 has never been in one of the great offices of the state: prime minister/chancellor/foreign secretary/home secretary).
You should have a read of Braverman's pre-Brexit speeches in parliament, "woke" is how elderly Tories would describe them. Since then she's found her niche, saying out loud what those elderly far right Tories are thinking. She doesn't actually believe in anything other than her own career progression.
This will be a big problem for the Tories after they're nuked. They stuffed affirmative action hires into their strongest safe seats because they weren't getting elected any other way. Cameron's A-listers will be most of what's left trying to rebuild the party. Sunak/Truss/Braverman/Patel/Badenoch/Cleverly/KamiKwazi, all in rock solid safe seats, all with rapid career progression (in most cases accompanied by failure), all having never fought and won tough elections where they had to convince voters of their positions, all holding positions far to the right of most voters. Those of them who've been in parliament longest were only elected in 2010 and have zero experience of opposition.
Braverman is someone who was given an armchair ride into one of the great offices of state and completely failed at everything she did. Many such cases in the Tory party!
She was caught out embellishing her legal background on her CV. She was a fifth rate criminal barrister in a third rate chambers. Certainly not the sharp brained legal eagle she would have everyone believe
Thing is, YMX is dumb enough that he thinks she actually believes this shit. Rather than realising she’s just blowing a whistle she knows he’ll have a sly one off the wrist over._Os_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:31 am
Braverman is incompetent, she will get fuck all done. All she will do is twerk for people like you, and you'll enjoy it, meanwhile everything you care about gets worse.
It's quite amusing how bad she is. Lost a Tory nomination for a by-election in Brent East to her own mother. Parachuted into a majority Asian constituency in Leicester (she's from London) for the 2005 GE and lost to Keith Vaz. Sought nominations from other Tory branches where she wasn't from (exact number is contested) and failed. Failed to be elected for a London Assembly seat in 2012, despite it being a PR list (rated so poorly she didn't make it in a system where if the party rates you there's a strong chance you get elected, but she was too far down the list). Eventually parachuted into a safe seat in Hampshire and elected for the first time in the 2015 GE, somehow becomes Home Secretary in 2022 one of the very top positions (for reference look at Thatcher's rate of progression ... or even Gove, he was first elected in 2005 has never been in one of the great offices of the state: prime minister/chancellor/foreign secretary/home secretary).
You should have a read of Braverman's pre-Brexit speeches in parliament, "woke" is how elderly Tories would describe them. Since then she's found her niche, saying out loud what those elderly far right Tories are thinking. She doesn't actually believe in anything other than her own career progression.
This will be a big problem for the Tories after they're nuked. They stuffed affirmative action hires into their strongest safe seats because they weren't getting elected any other way. Cameron's A-listers will be most of what's left trying to rebuild the party. Sunak/Truss/Braverman/Patel/Badenoch/Cleverly/KamiKwazi, all in rock solid safe seats, all with rapid career progression (in most cases accompanied by failure), all having never fought and won tough elections where they had to convince voters of their positions, all holding positions far to the right of most voters. Those of them who've been in parliament longest were only elected in 2010 and have zero experience of opposition.
Braverman is someone who was given an armchair ride into one of the great offices of state and completely failed at everything she did. Many such cases in the Tory party!
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
So the immigrant wants to stop immigration?Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:12 amThing is, YMX is dumb enough that he thinks she actually believes this shit. Rather than realising she’s just blowing a whistle she knows he’ll have a sly one off the wrist over._Os_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:31 am
Braverman is incompetent, she will get fuck all done. All she will do is twerk for people like you, and you'll enjoy it, meanwhile everything you care about gets worse.
It's quite amusing how bad she is. Lost a Tory nomination for a by-election in Brent East to her own mother. Parachuted into a majority Asian constituency in Leicester (she's from London) for the 2005 GE and lost to Keith Vaz. Sought nominations from other Tory branches where she wasn't from (exact number is contested) and failed. Failed to be elected for a London Assembly seat in 2012, despite it being a PR list (rated so poorly she didn't make it in a system where if the party rates you there's a strong chance you get elected, but she was too far down the list). Eventually parachuted into a safe seat in Hampshire and elected for the first time in the 2015 GE, somehow becomes Home Secretary in 2022 one of the very top positions (for reference look at Thatcher's rate of progression ... or even Gove, he was first elected in 2005 has never been in one of the great offices of the state: prime minister/chancellor/foreign secretary/home secretary).
You should have a read of Braverman's pre-Brexit speeches in parliament, "woke" is how elderly Tories would describe them. Since then she's found her niche, saying out loud what those elderly far right Tories are thinking. She doesn't actually believe in anything other than her own career progression.
This will be a big problem for the Tories after they're nuked. They stuffed affirmative action hires into their strongest safe seats because they weren't getting elected any other way. Cameron's A-listers will be most of what's left trying to rebuild the party. Sunak/Truss/Braverman/Patel/Badenoch/Cleverly/KamiKwazi, all in rock solid safe seats, all with rapid career progression (in most cases accompanied by failure), all having never fought and won tough elections where they had to convince voters of their positions, all holding positions far to the right of most voters. Those of them who've been in parliament longest were only elected in 2010 and have zero experience of opposition.
Braverman is someone who was given an armchair ride into one of the great offices of state and completely failed at everything she did. Many such cases in the Tory party!
Back already - with more hurty words.Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:12 amThing is, YMX is dumb enough that he thinks she actually believes this shit. Rather than realising she’s just blowing a whistle she knows he’ll have a sly one off the wrist over._Os_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:31 am
Braverman is incompetent, she will get fuck all done. All she will do is twerk for people like you, and you'll enjoy it, meanwhile everything you care about gets worse.
It's quite amusing how bad she is. Lost a Tory nomination for a by-election in Brent East to her own mother. Parachuted into a majority Asian constituency in Leicester (she's from London) for the 2005 GE and lost to Keith Vaz. Sought nominations from other Tory branches where she wasn't from (exact number is contested) and failed. Failed to be elected for a London Assembly seat in 2012, despite it being a PR list (rated so poorly she didn't make it in a system where if the party rates you there's a strong chance you get elected, but she was too far down the list). Eventually parachuted into a safe seat in Hampshire and elected for the first time in the 2015 GE, somehow becomes Home Secretary in 2022 one of the very top positions (for reference look at Thatcher's rate of progression ... or even Gove, he was first elected in 2005 has never been in one of the great offices of the state: prime minister/chancellor/foreign secretary/home secretary).
You should have a read of Braverman's pre-Brexit speeches in parliament, "woke" is how elderly Tories would describe them. Since then she's found her niche, saying out loud what those elderly far right Tories are thinking. She doesn't actually believe in anything other than her own career progression.
This will be a big problem for the Tories after they're nuked. They stuffed affirmative action hires into their strongest safe seats because they weren't getting elected any other way. Cameron's A-listers will be most of what's left trying to rebuild the party. Sunak/Truss/Braverman/Patel/Badenoch/Cleverly/KamiKwazi, all in rock solid safe seats, all with rapid career progression (in most cases accompanied by failure), all having never fought and won tough elections where they had to convince voters of their positions, all holding positions far to the right of most voters. Those of them who've been in parliament longest were only elected in 2010 and have zero experience of opposition.
Braverman is someone who was given an armchair ride into one of the great offices of state and completely failed at everything she did. Many such cases in the Tory party!
“Racist, childish, fuckwitted, bigoted, dumb”
When will we get Nazi thrown in the mix, folks?
Honestly pathetic stuff. It’s embarrassingly pathetic responses. Yet you can’t stop yourself
Not getting involved in name calling but out of curiosity.Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:20 pmBack already - with more hurty words.Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:12 amThing is, YMX is dumb enough that he thinks she actually believes this shit. Rather than realising she’s just blowing a whistle she knows he’ll have a sly one off the wrist over._Os_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:31 am
Braverman is incompetent, she will get fuck all done. All she will do is twerk for people like you, and you'll enjoy it, meanwhile everything you care about gets worse.
It's quite amusing how bad she is. Lost a Tory nomination for a by-election in Brent East to her own mother. Parachuted into a majority Asian constituency in Leicester (she's from London) for the 2005 GE and lost to Keith Vaz. Sought nominations from other Tory branches where she wasn't from (exact number is contested) and failed. Failed to be elected for a London Assembly seat in 2012, despite it being a PR list (rated so poorly she didn't make it in a system where if the party rates you there's a strong chance you get elected, but she was too far down the list). Eventually parachuted into a safe seat in Hampshire and elected for the first time in the 2015 GE, somehow becomes Home Secretary in 2022 one of the very top positions (for reference look at Thatcher's rate of progression ... or even Gove, he was first elected in 2005 has never been in one of the great offices of the state: prime minister/chancellor/foreign secretary/home secretary).
You should have a read of Braverman's pre-Brexit speeches in parliament, "woke" is how elderly Tories would describe them. Since then she's found her niche, saying out loud what those elderly far right Tories are thinking. She doesn't actually believe in anything other than her own career progression.
This will be a big problem for the Tories after they're nuked. They stuffed affirmative action hires into their strongest safe seats because they weren't getting elected any other way. Cameron's A-listers will be most of what's left trying to rebuild the party. Sunak/Truss/Braverman/Patel/Badenoch/Cleverly/KamiKwazi, all in rock solid safe seats, all with rapid career progression (in most cases accompanied by failure), all having never fought and won tough elections where they had to convince voters of their positions, all holding positions far to the right of most voters. Those of them who've been in parliament longest were only elected in 2010 and have zero experience of opposition.
Braverman is someone who was given an armchair ride into one of the great offices of state and completely failed at everything she did. Many such cases in the Tory party!
“Racist, childish, fuckwitted, bigoted, dumb”
When will we get Nazi thrown in the mix, folks?
Honestly pathetic stuff. It’s embarrassingly pathetic responses. Yet you can’t stop yourself
How would you label your political leanings?
Look in the mirror sunshineYmx wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:20 pmBack already - with more hurty words.Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:12 amThing is, YMX is dumb enough that he thinks she actually believes this shit. Rather than realising she’s just blowing a whistle she knows he’ll have a sly one off the wrist over._Os_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:31 am
Braverman is incompetent, she will get fuck all done. All she will do is twerk for people like you, and you'll enjoy it, meanwhile everything you care about gets worse.
It's quite amusing how bad she is. Lost a Tory nomination for a by-election in Brent East to her own mother. Parachuted into a majority Asian constituency in Leicester (she's from London) for the 2005 GE and lost to Keith Vaz. Sought nominations from other Tory branches where she wasn't from (exact number is contested) and failed. Failed to be elected for a London Assembly seat in 2012, despite it being a PR list (rated so poorly she didn't make it in a system where if the party rates you there's a strong chance you get elected, but she was too far down the list). Eventually parachuted into a safe seat in Hampshire and elected for the first time in the 2015 GE, somehow becomes Home Secretary in 2022 one of the very top positions (for reference look at Thatcher's rate of progression ... or even Gove, he was first elected in 2005 has never been in one of the great offices of the state: prime minister/chancellor/foreign secretary/home secretary).
You should have a read of Braverman's pre-Brexit speeches in parliament, "woke" is how elderly Tories would describe them. Since then she's found her niche, saying out loud what those elderly far right Tories are thinking. She doesn't actually believe in anything other than her own career progression.
This will be a big problem for the Tories after they're nuked. They stuffed affirmative action hires into their strongest safe seats because they weren't getting elected any other way. Cameron's A-listers will be most of what's left trying to rebuild the party. Sunak/Truss/Braverman/Patel/Badenoch/Cleverly/KamiKwazi, all in rock solid safe seats, all with rapid career progression (in most cases accompanied by failure), all having never fought and won tough elections where they had to convince voters of their positions, all holding positions far to the right of most voters. Those of them who've been in parliament longest were only elected in 2010 and have zero experience of opposition.
Braverman is someone who was given an armchair ride into one of the great offices of state and completely failed at everything she did. Many such cases in the Tory party!
“Racist, childish, fuckwitted, bigoted, dumb”
When will we get Nazi thrown in the mix, folks?
Honestly pathetic stuff. It’s embarrassingly pathetic responses. Yet you can’t stop yourself
And your only response, rather than defending any of it, is ‘wah, they’re calling me names’.Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:20 pmBack already - with more hurty words.Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:12 amThing is, YMX is dumb enough that he thinks she actually believes this shit. Rather than realising she’s just blowing a whistle she knows he’ll have a sly one off the wrist over._Os_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:31 am
Braverman is incompetent, she will get fuck all done. All she will do is twerk for people like you, and you'll enjoy it, meanwhile everything you care about gets worse.
It's quite amusing how bad she is. Lost a Tory nomination for a by-election in Brent East to her own mother. Parachuted into a majority Asian constituency in Leicester (she's from London) for the 2005 GE and lost to Keith Vaz. Sought nominations from other Tory branches where she wasn't from (exact number is contested) and failed. Failed to be elected for a London Assembly seat in 2012, despite it being a PR list (rated so poorly she didn't make it in a system where if the party rates you there's a strong chance you get elected, but she was too far down the list). Eventually parachuted into a safe seat in Hampshire and elected for the first time in the 2015 GE, somehow becomes Home Secretary in 2022 one of the very top positions (for reference look at Thatcher's rate of progression ... or even Gove, he was first elected in 2005 has never been in one of the great offices of the state: prime minister/chancellor/foreign secretary/home secretary).
You should have a read of Braverman's pre-Brexit speeches in parliament, "woke" is how elderly Tories would describe them. Since then she's found her niche, saying out loud what those elderly far right Tories are thinking. She doesn't actually believe in anything other than her own career progression.
This will be a big problem for the Tories after they're nuked. They stuffed affirmative action hires into their strongest safe seats because they weren't getting elected any other way. Cameron's A-listers will be most of what's left trying to rebuild the party. Sunak/Truss/Braverman/Patel/Badenoch/Cleverly/KamiKwazi, all in rock solid safe seats, all with rapid career progression (in most cases accompanied by failure), all having never fought and won tough elections where they had to convince voters of their positions, all holding positions far to the right of most voters. Those of them who've been in parliament longest were only elected in 2010 and have zero experience of opposition.
Braverman is someone who was given an armchair ride into one of the great offices of state and completely failed at everything she did. Many such cases in the Tory party!
“Racist, childish, fuckwitted, bigoted, dumb”
When will we get Nazi thrown in the mix, folks?
Honestly pathetic stuff. It’s embarrassingly pathetic responses. Yet you can’t stop yourself
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Well, that’s a reasonable point. Although, I was not rebutting anyone’s point by name calling them, you sweaty Indy supporting, hypocrital wankstain.
No your definitions are far too simplistic.Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:20 pmLibertarian, although you slightly contradict that with your expectations on state funding surely ??
A libertarian would prefer a US version of the health system, rather than the NHS existing, no?
It's true that is you have no idea about political science you use these terms at face value. However if you take time to. Actually look at the terms from a political science point of view it's quite clear.
Anarcho Syndicalism and Anarcho Socialism and led wing libertarianism have a very long history and are a perfect fit.
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Stop engaging the cunt
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
If you have zero interest in discussing, that’s up to you.
But Biffer won’t ever be silenced by you, or anyone!!
Nah, he's fun an insight into the lack of joined up thinking on the right.
He's made his views on the Israel-Palestine conflict as clear as he has his views on immigrants. This is Daniella Weiss who Wiki describes as a "far-right Israeli Orthodox Zionist settlement movement extremist" (but I'm sure is a very nice person), she is the former mayor of an Israeli West Bank settlement. This video shows her speaking in English (the balls on these very nice people), at an event attended by Israeli cabinet members (who I'm sure are very nice people), some reports state as high as a third of the Israeli cabinet attended.
Hypothetically if the Israelis (who I'm sure are very nice people and wouldn't do this), bombed Gaza flat, bombed homes for months and when those people fled into tents they were bombed again in their tents, everything bombed until there's only rubble, no humanitarian aid as Weiss (nice person etc) says should be done. Then after that if Israelis (who I'm sure are very nice people and wouldn't do this) opened the gates to the Gaza "open air prison" (as David Cameron called it), allowing Palestinians to leave. What would happen if 2.5 million Palestinians from Gaza rocked up in the UK, as Weiss (nice person etc) wishes? Where would they be deported to? Israel cannot decide where its borders are and Palestinians aren't Israelis (nice people etc), the UK doesn't recognise Palestine's existence which makes it difficult sending someone back there. There would be nowhere to send them back to. Millions more Palestinians from Lebanon/Syria/Jordan could just say they're from Gaza and there would be no way of disproving it.
Any Palestinian that makes it to the UK and says they're from Gaza will likely get auto residency, and it'll be because of the Israelis (nice people etc) that YMX supports full chested.
The joined up thinking seems to be, “let them stay in France, stuff the ECHR, stuff international law, we want our sovereignty back, this is the land we fought them on the beaches for…. Sorry, what’s that you say about Churchill and the ECHR?”
“Errrr…….Stuff it, STOP THE BOATS, LABOUR HAVE NO PLAN””
“Errrr…….Stuff it, STOP THE BOATS, LABOUR HAVE NO PLAN””