Stop voting for fucking Tories

[tabascoboy]

The calibre of politicians currently seems to be at an all time low across the board.

[Slick]

The reason for the Conservatives lead in the polls





Because the leftieTards are useless at everything except hot air, vis a vis this thread.


All the hot air about Dyson and Labours shadow cabinet minister admitting they would likely have done the same thing.

It's almost as if the people actually having to deal with an unprecedented crisis know more about it than us. Crazy.

[SaintK]

Abbreviation of retard

Thanks. Not a particularly nice turn of phrase but I guess to be expected from those scummy, righty types?

[JM2K6]

The reason for the Conservatives lead in the polls





Because the leftieTards are useless at everything except hot air, vis a vis this thread.


All the hot air about Dyson and Labours shadow cabinet minister admitting they would likely have done the same thing.

It's almost as if the people actually having to deal with an unprecedented crisis know more about it than us. Crazy.

I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

[fishfoodie]

I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

[Slick]

The reason for the Conservatives lead in the polls





Because the leftieTards are useless at everything except hot air, vis a vis this thread.


All the hot air about Dyson and Labours shadow cabinet minister admitting they would likely have done the same thing.

It's almost as if the people actually having to deal with an unprecedented crisis know more about it than us. Crazy.

I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

Fair enough, but I’m certainly not taking about right or left, I’m talking about the folk that have had to deal with this. I’m reserving a lot of my judgements until it’s gone and we can have a sensible look at it

[Paddington Bear]

I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

[fishfoodie]

I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

Its not a cure-all but it would have helped defuse the toxicity of the likes of UKIP; where despite getting a sizeable portion of the vote; they never got any notable number of seats. All that did was result in bitterness among their supporters.

It does also force Politicians to compromise; & form alliances, to form Governments.

It's often a pity that some very good brains, are destined to never get any power, because they aren't members of the, "Right", Party; ...... while complete fuckwits get made Ministers.

[Paddington Bear]

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

Its not a cure-all but it would have helped defuse the toxicity of the likes of UKIP; where despite getting a sizeable portion of the vote; they never got any notable number of seats. All that did was result in bitterness among their supporters.

It does also force Politicians to compromise; & form alliances, to form Governments.

It's often a pity that some very good brains, are destined to never get any power, because they aren't members of the, "Right", Party; ...... while complete fuckwits get made Ministers.

I get the principle, but remember how the Lib Dems got shafted for compromise. Not sure it’s in our political culture to do so, and don’t think that would change with PR.

[ScarfaceClaw]

I'd like to know what Glaston's referring to, as I wouldn't trust anything he says at face value.

The "leftieTards" aren't the fucking cunts who've been in power for over a decade and delivered so many shit sandwiches. When you boil it down to the very essence, what Glaston believe is what a lot of the right wing believe, and what the Tories definitely believe: If the Right does it, it must be the correct thing to do, especially if the Left don't like it, and fuck anyone else, especially those on the Left. Tribalism at its very worst, costing billions in public funds, and countless people's lives.

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

Seems like some fairly sensible policies there. Apart from the farmers.

[Paddington Bear]

In essence why the both the Tories & Labour are scared shitless of PR.

The thought of not being able to impose the will of the 40%, over the entire Country horrifies them. They might actually have to, <spit> compromise !

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

Seems like some fairly sensible policies there. Apart from the farmers.

A flat tax for farmers who hang pedos?

[fishfoodie]

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

Its not a cure-all but it would have helped defuse the toxicity of the likes of UKIP; where despite getting a sizeable portion of the vote; they never got any notable number of seats. All that did was result in bitterness among their supporters.

It does also force Politicians to compromise; & form alliances, to form Governments.

It's often a pity that some very good brains, are destined to never get any power, because they aren't members of the, "Right", Party; ...... while complete fuckwits get made Ministers.

I get the principle, but remember how the Lib Dems got shafted for compromise. Not sure it’s in our political culture to do so, and don’t think that would change with PR.

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

[GogLais]

Going back to Dyson, am I right in thinking that the issue was that JD didn’t want his ex-pat employees being hit for extra tax if they came back early to the UK to work on ventilators?

[GogLais]

Its not a cure-all but it would have helped defuse the toxicity of the likes of UKIP; where despite getting a sizeable portion of the vote; they never got any notable number of seats. All that did was result in bitterness among their supporters.

It does also force Politicians to compromise; & form alliances, to form Governments.

It's often a pity that some very good brains, are destined to never get any power, because they aren't members of the, "Right", Party; ...... while complete fuckwits get made Ministers.

I get the principle, but remember how the Lib Dems got shafted for compromise. Not sure it’s in our political culture to do so, and don’t think that would change with PR.

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

[Torquemada 1420]

Boris is Blair with wierd hair

Blair was very clever. For a long time he could stand in a room of a dozen people, all with differing demands, and convince each of them he was entirely on his side. It took a very long time for everyone to wake up to his corruption and it might never have got there at all were it not for his ego and arrogance.

Nothing like Boris who is a f**ktard with zero interpersonal skills.

[Torquemada 1420]

the only 'tards here are one that can read through pages and pages of transgressions on this thread and this, "Yup, I'll vote for them"

You make the erroneous presumption that whoever replaces them won't simply transpire to conduct some variation of the same.

The real enemies here are (and they go hand in hand) are
- the political landscape and electoral system i.e. no new political thought and the 1st past the post nonsense
- voter apathy

Of course, the more this type of sh*t goes on, the greater the voter apathy......... the greater the capacity for this sh*t to go on.

The Brits don't do revolution. The French, Russians or Chinese would have executed them all now and started afresh.

[Rinkals]

I get the principle, but remember how the Lib Dems got shafted for compromise. Not sure it’s in our political culture to do so, and don’t think that would change with PR.

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

[Slick]

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

Yeah, that must be it

[Torquemada 1420]

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

The whole point of PR is that it prevents Governments from governing. Governing anywhere other than the uncontentious middle anyway. This means you are never going to get dynamic, innovative politics but it's a price worth paying because politicians are self serving ***ts and until we find a better system, we need to curtail their powers. There's a reason Germany has been so stable for so long.

[Paddington Bear]

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

[SaintK]

Going back to Dyson, am I right in thinking that the issue was that JD didn’t want his ex-pat employees being hit for extra tax if they came back early to the UK to work on ventilators?

You are correct. Though Dyson never even got a prototype off the ground despite all the emoney he says he p0loughed into it!!! At least JCB managed to get a prototype built before it was declared unsuitable and not fit for purpose!
It was reported yesterday that Dyson has personally relocated back to the UK from Singapore as he is to be awarded a peerage in the next honours list. For services to the Tory party and Brexit I would imagine?

[SaintK]

Good to see that the Wicked Witch of Witham is living up to her name!

The full scale of Home Office failures in managing former military sites as makeshift accommodation for asylum seekers is laid bare in a raft of damning documents seen by the Guardian.

An unpublished report by prison inspectors and correspondence sent by the outgoing chief inspector of borders and immigration, David Bolt, highlight “serious mistakes” and “fundamental failures of leadership and planning” by the Home Office in its management of the Napier barracks site in Kent and Penally camp in Pembrokeshire.

In an explosive letter to Priti Patel, the home secretary, Bolt criticises her department’s failure to consult local authorities, its “wholly inadequate” health assessments, “extremely poor” communications and reveals some subcontractors working at the sites were breaching their visa conditions.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... -seekers

[Rinkals]

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

Yeah, that must be it

Well, 52% of them did vote for Brexit.

Mind you, covid has probably trimmed that demographic, so it may no longer be valid.

If you would like to offer an alternative reason for the sustained popularity of Johnson's Government, I'd be interested to hear it.

[Rinkals]

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

I'm quite happy to acknowledge that I'm not the most intelligent guy around.

However, I am capable of spotting that Boris' Government is inherently corrupt.

Unlike the average British voter.

[tabascoboy]

And this is our PM showing his admirable ability to address the media and its global audience with articulate speech



Say one thing for Thatcher, say that she didn't sound as if she had only just learned the gift of speaking

[Slick]

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

Yeah, that must be it

Well, 52% of them did vote for Brexit.

Mind you, covid has probably trimmed that demographic, so it may no longer be valid.

If you would like to offer an alternative reason for the sustained popularity of Johnson's Government, I'd be interested to hear it.

They think differently and have different priorities to you?

I've never voted Tory so I'm not defending them, but comments about only imbeciles voting for them is a bit daft really. I'd have thought the majority of Tory voters are pretty well educated.

[SaintK]

And this is our PM showing his admirable ability to address the media and its global audience with articulate speech



Say one thing for Thatcher, say that she didn't sound as if she had only just learned the gift of speaking

He probably thought it was amusing. Not sure any of the other world leaders on the call would have understood a word of it

[mat the expat]

Caught it on the Aussie news.

Embarrassed to be English sometimes. What an absolute Poltroon

[Tichtheid]

Yeah, that must be it

Well, 52% of them did vote for Brexit.

Mind you, covid has probably trimmed that demographic, so it may no longer be valid.

If you would like to offer an alternative reason for the sustained popularity of Johnson's Government, I'd be interested to hear it.

They think differently and have different priorities to you?

I've never voted Tory so I'm not defending them, but comments about only imbeciles voting for them is a bit daft really. I'd have thought the majority of Tory voters are pretty well educated.

Being well-educated only makes people learned, which doesn't really count for much beyond what you've been taught.

My comment was more made in bewilderment that despite everything, the austerity of ten years, the Brexit vote, the shambolic handling of the pandemic, the breaking of their own rules by their main people, the lying to parliament, the deals that seem very dodgy at best, the fact that their friends and donors are the beneficiaries of these deals, despite all of that and more, they are extending their lead in the polls.

Johnson's whole persona is a sham, an act, "Boris" is a creation, he's not a real person, and to repeat myself, it bewilders me that people swallow it.

[tabascoboy]

To be fair, there is a large hardcore of voters on any side who only care if the candidate is wearing the right colour rosette. I think it'll take another 2 elections and en masse ennui a la 1997 before there might be a large enough mood for change, and even that will depend on Labour digging themselves out of the hole they are in.

[Biffer]

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

The whole point of PR is that it prevents Governments from governing. Governing anywhere other than the uncontentious middle anyway. This means you are never going to get dynamic, innovative politics but it's a price worth paying because politicians are self serving ***ts and until we find a better system, we need to curtail their powers. There's a reason Germany has been so stable for so long.

I disagree with that. There are PR systems with minority and coalition governments in the UK devolved nations that have pushed more change than the UK govt and often led where Westminster has followed.

[fishfoodie]

Being the smaller Party pretty much guarantees you get shafted; but they do it anyway; because at least they get some of their policies enacted !

I’ve probably voted Lib Dem more often then anything else. If they’d opted out of power when they had the chance of it I’d have wondered what was the point of voting for them again.

Yes, I'm a Lib Dem supporter and have voted for them in every election I have participated in.

I'm baffled as to why the Tories get so much support.

One can only think that Tichtheid's comment above about the imbecility of the average British voter has merit.

But this is part of PR; you don't, just, vote for your preferred party;, or else you're wasting your vote. PR forces you to consider not just who you'd like to have in power; but also to think about your 2nd, 3rd & nth preferences !

The best way I have of keeping Sinn Fein out of power, is to vote for them, but to give them the lowest possible preference; but that makes me make that evaluation of other parties candidates too, & do a least worse evaluation right down the ballot.

[JM2K6]

PR being Britain’s salvation is always an interesting one. We have a left wing who descend into 15 different factions over what to serve for breakfast, and a right who are pretty effective at coalescing around candidates they don’t love but prefer to the left.
An unbreakable Tory led coalition including various ‘hang the pedos’, ‘farmers’ alliance’ and ‘flat tax now’ parties seems the most likely outcome to me.

The whole point of PR is that it prevents Governments from governing. Governing anywhere other than the uncontentious middle anyway. This means you are never going to get dynamic, innovative politics but it's a price worth paying because politicians are self serving ***ts and until we find a better system, we need to curtail their powers. There's a reason Germany has been so stable for so long.

I disagree with that. There are PR systems with minority and coalition governments in the UK devolved nations that have pushed more change than the UK govt and often led where Westminster has followed.

Right. The more innovative and dynamic ideas are likely to come from the smaller parties who tend to be created around these issues; the same smaller parties who in our current system haven't a hope in hell of getting any power at all. The broader church Big Parties tend to be less focused on change beyond their right/left dynamic.

[Biffer]

The whole point of PR is that it prevents Governments from governing. Governing anywhere other than the uncontentious middle anyway. This means you are never going to get dynamic, innovative politics but it's a price worth paying because politicians are self serving ***ts and until we find a better system, we need to curtail their powers. There's a reason Germany has been so stable for so long.

I disagree with that. There are PR systems with minority and coalition governments in the UK devolved nations that have pushed more change than the UK govt and often led where Westminster has followed.

Right. The more innovative and dynamic ideas are likely to come from the smaller parties who tend to be created around these issues; the same smaller parties who in our current system haven't a hope in hell of getting any power at all. The broader church Big Parties tend to be less focused on change beyond their right/left dynamic.

Right. For example, the Scottish Greens have had a number of their policies implemented, pushing the SNP further than they wanted to go on tax, public transport, land reform etc.

[fishfoodie]

Someone has a plan at least !

[Torquemada 1420]

Right. The more innovative and dynamic ideas are likely to come from the smaller parties who tend to be created around these issues; the same smaller parties who in our current system haven't a hope in hell of getting any power at all. The broader church Big Parties tend to be less focused on change beyond their right/left dynamic.

And the continuance of the system which serves THEM so well.

Slavoj Zizek highlighted that advances in every human field of endeavour since the 19th C have been enormous (medicine, engineering, technology, philosophy etc) EXCEPT political thought which has remained entrenched (not stagnated: because it is purposefully so) in the left/right (I won't use the word dynamic) pattern you point out.

[SaintK]

Someone has a plan at least !

Agree with a lot of those, he'd get my vote

[tc27]

Starting a briefing war against someone who knows all your dirty laundry was a bad idea it seems.

[Sandstorm]

Well, 52% of them did vote for Brexit.

Mind you, covid has probably trimmed that demographic, so it may no longer be valid.

If you would like to offer an alternative reason for the sustained popularity of Johnson's Government, I'd be interested to hear it.

They think differently and have different priorities to you?

I've never voted Tory so I'm not defending them, but comments about only imbeciles voting for them is a bit daft really. I'd have thought the majority of Tory voters are pretty well educated.

Being well-educated only makes people learned, which doesn't really count for much beyond what you've been taught.

My comment was more made in bewilderment that despite everything, the austerity of ten years, the Brexit vote, the shambolic handling of the pandemic, the breaking of their own rules by their main people, the lying to parliament, the deals that seem very dodgy at best, the fact that their friends and donors are the beneficiaries of these deals, despite all of that and more, they are extending their lead in the polls.

Johnson's whole persona is a sham, an act, "Boris" is a creation, he's not a real person, and to repeat myself, it bewilders me that people swallow it.

Imagine how useless the average voter views the opposition as being, to still not vote the Tories out.

[tabascoboy]

So, Johnson vs Cummings: it's like trying to decide whether you'd rather eat dogshit or catshit .