Stop voting for fucking Tories

[SaintK]

The Tories may be scummy and sleazy but look like they're going to win Hartlepool quite convincingly
[media] [/media]

What's the deal with the two independent candidates? Looks like they've taken a slab of the Labour vote?

They are former Labour candidates from elsewhere. Williams was foisted on Hartlepool by Labour HQ and not selected locally. As a senior NHS manager (now a local GP) he was partly responsible for a number of service cuts at the local hospital which isn't resonating too well. Add in the £millions the government are promising to invest locally in a Freeport and that will help as well

[Lobby]

The Tories may be scummy and sleazy but look like they're going to win Hartlepool quite convincingly
[media] [/media]

What's the deal with the two independent candidates? Looks like they've taken a slab of the Labour vote?

They are former Labour candidates from elsewhere. Williams was foisted on Hartlepool by Labour HQ and not selected locally. As a senior NHS manager (now a local GP) he was partly responsible for a number of service cuts at the local hospital which isn't resonating too well. Add in the £millions the government are promising to invest locally in a Freeport and that will help as well

Williams is also a Canterbury born, Cambridge educated, ardent remainer. Probably not the best choice of candidate for an area that voted 70% for Brexit.

[Tichtheid]

I had to look it up, it turns out that the Sam Lee on the list there is Samantha Lee and not the Sam Lee, English Folk singer, I that I know.

[tabascoboy]

Where's the The Incredible Flying Brick in the poll?

[SaintK]

[media] [/media]

[Slick]

If true, thats an awful message from Amiss.

[robmatic]

What's the deal with the two independent candidates? Looks like they've taken a slab of the Labour vote?

They are former Labour candidates from elsewhere. Williams was foisted on Hartlepool by Labour HQ and not selected locally. As a senior NHS manager (now a local GP) he was partly responsible for a number of service cuts at the local hospital which isn't resonating too well. Add in the £millions the government are promising to invest locally in a Freeport and that will help as well

Williams is also a Canterbury born, Cambridge educated, ardent remainer. Probably not the best choice of candidate for an area that voted 70% for Brexit.

Christ, Labour are useless.

[SaintK]

If true, thats an awful message from Amiss.

Amess has since denied it was him who authorised its use...............hmmmmm

[fishfoodie]

If true, thats an awful message from Amiss.

How can you doubt it ?, its true on its face.

Just look at how the, 'Town Deals' grants were allocated to Tory run towns, instead of by any rating of how needed they were.

The SNP pointed out how the Internal Markets Bill was rigged too; to take away responsibility from the devolved administrations, who had been able to distribute funds from the EU, & in future, Westminster would have sole control of any replacement funding.

[Rinkals]

If true, thats an awful message from Amiss.

How can you doubt it ?, its true on its face.

Just look at how the, 'Town Deals' grants were allocated to Tory run towns, instead of by any rating of how needed they were.

The SNP pointed out how the Internal Markets Bill was rigged too; to take away responsibility from the devolved administrations, who had been able to distribute funds from the EU, & in future, Westminster would have sole control of any replacement funding.

We should be grateful to Trump for removing the old-fashioned notion that integrity holds any currency whatsoever.

[Slick]

If true, thats an awful message from Amiss.

How can you doubt it ?, its true on its face.

Just look at how the, 'Town Deals' grants were allocated to Tory run towns, instead of by any rating of how needed they were.

The SNP pointed out how the Internal Markets Bill was rigged too; to take away responsibility from the devolved administrations, who had been able to distribute funds from the EU, & in future, Westminster would have sole control of any replacement funding.

Because there is an awful lot of bullshit on social media? Your prerogative if you want to unquestionably accept it from one side but not from another I guess.

[fishfoodie]

If true, thats an awful message from Amiss.

How can you doubt it ?, its true on its face.

Just look at how the, 'Town Deals' grants were allocated to Tory run towns, instead of by any rating of how needed they were.

The SNP pointed out how the Internal Markets Bill was rigged too; to take away responsibility from the devolved administrations, who had been able to distribute funds from the EU, & in future, Westminster would have sole control of any replacement funding.

Because there is an awful lot of bullshit on social media? Your prerogative if you want to unquestionably accept it from one side but not from another I guess.

Sorry, I wasn't clear; you're right, SM is full of bullshit; but I was saying that the statement that, Ministers don't deal with opposition MPs, is true on it's face; regardless of whether or not he actually made this statement.

[Biffer]

If true, thats an awful message from Amiss.

How can you doubt it ?, its true on its face.

Just look at how the, 'Town Deals' grants were allocated to Tory run towns, instead of by any rating of how needed they were.

The SNP pointed out how the Internal Markets Bill was rigged too; to take away responsibility from the devolved administrations, who had been able to distribute funds from the EU, & in future, Westminster would have sole control of any replacement funding.

I'm still angry about that. Most heavily weighted funding criterion was commuting distance to the nearest significant centre of employment by car. Except in Scotland and Wales where it would have been much higher. So parts of the Highlands were rated at the same level as Westminster and the City of London.

[I like neeps]

The Tories may be scummy and sleazy but look like they're going to win Hartlepool quite convincingly
[media] [/media]

This is because sleaze and corruption don't matter. Most people don't care. If I'm a Tory MP I want to feather my best, nobody will give a f*ck.

Also Labour don't stand for anything. The Tories will win old home owning towns and they make up Britain. Hartlepool majority white, majority Brexit, majority homeowners, majority 40+. Draw a Tory seat and you'll draw that.

[Paddington Bear]

The Tories may be scummy and sleazy but look like they're going to win Hartlepool quite convincingly
[media] [/media]

This is because sleaze and corruption don't matter. Most people don't care. If I'm a Tory MP I want to feather my best, nobody will give a f*ck.

Also Labour don't stand for anything. The Tories will win old home owning towns and they make up Britain. Hartlepool majority white, majority Brexit, majority homeowners, majority 40+. Draw a Tory seat and you'll draw that.

How many seats are not majority white? Seems a weird criteria in a country that's 80%+ white.

[Lobby]

The Tories may be scummy and sleazy but look like they're going to win Hartlepool quite convincingly
[media] [/media]

This is because sleaze and corruption don't matter. Most people don't care. If I'm a Tory MP I want to feather my best, nobody will give a f*ck.
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Also Labour don't stand for anything. The Tories will win old home owning towns and they make up Britain. Hartlepool majority white, majority Brexit, majority homeowners, majority 40+. Draw a Tory seat and you'll draw that.

How many seats are not majority white? Seems a weird criteria in a country that's 80%+ white.

According to the 2011 census, London’s population then was just 44% white British, so there will be some seats in London which are not majority white. Overall, there won’t be that many, but the few there are are most likely to be safe Labour seats in the large urban conurbations; London, Birmingham etc.

[I like neeps]

The Tories may be scummy and sleazy but look like they're going to win Hartlepool quite convincingly
[media] [/media]

This is because sleaze and corruption don't matter. Most people don't care. If I'm a Tory MP I want to feather my best, nobody will give a f*ck.

Also Labour don't stand for anything. The Tories will win old home owning towns and they make up Britain. Hartlepool majority white, majority Brexit, majority homeowners, majority 40+. Draw a Tory seat and you'll draw that.

How many seats are not majority white? Seems a weird criteria in a country that's 80%+ white.

And the majority of the seats are Tory!

It's a good point so seats that are 80%+ white population. Hartlepool is 98% white, Brexit voting and I am going to guess average age is above 40 and home ownership rates are high. That's a Tory seat these days.

[robmatic]

This is because sleaze and corruption don't matter. Most people don't care. If I'm a Tory MP I want to feather my best, nobody will give a f*ck.

Also Labour don't stand for anything. The Tories will win old home owning towns and they make up Britain. Hartlepool majority white, majority Brexit, majority homeowners, majority 40+. Draw a Tory seat and you'll draw that.

How many seats are not majority white? Seems a weird criteria in a country that's 80%+ white.

And the majority of the seats are Tory!

It's a good point so seats that are 80%+ white population. Hartlepool is 98% white, Brexit voting and I am going to guess average age is above 40 and home ownership rates are high. That's a Tory seat these days.

So when the UK in general is 80%+ white, has an average age of over 40 and a home-ownership rate of 65% it's no wonder the Tories are electorally successful.

[Tichtheid]

How many seats are not majority white? Seems a weird criteria in a country that's 80%+ white.

And the majority of the seats are Tory!

It's a good point so seats that are 80%+ white population. Hartlepool is 98% white, Brexit voting and I am going to guess average age is above 40 and home ownership rates are high. That's a Tory seat these days.

So when the UK in general is 80%+ white, has an average age of over 40 and a home-ownership rate of 65% it's no wonder the Tories are electorally successful.

For contrast, Scotland is 96% white, median age of 40.1 years, over 60% owner-occupied housing.

The people voted against Brexit in every constituency and the Tories struggle to fill a taxi

[Biffer]

And the majority of the seats are Tory!

It's a good point so seats that are 80%+ white population. Hartlepool is 98% white, Brexit voting and I am going to guess average age is above 40 and home ownership rates are high. That's a Tory seat these days.

So when the UK in general is 80%+ white, has an average age of over 40 and a home-ownership rate of 65% it's no wonder the Tories are electorally successful.

For contrast, Scotland is 96% white, median age of 40.1 years, over 60% owner-occupied housing.

The people voted against Brexit in every constituency and the Tories struggle to fill a taxi

Apparently we've just fallen for some propaganda

[robmatic]

And the majority of the seats are Tory!

It's a good point so seats that are 80%+ white population. Hartlepool is 98% white, Brexit voting and I am going to guess average age is above 40 and home ownership rates are high. That's a Tory seat these days.

So when the UK in general is 80%+ white, has an average age of over 40 and a home-ownership rate of 65% it's no wonder the Tories are electorally successful.

For contrast, Scotland is 96% white, median age of 40.1 years, over 60% owner-occupied housing.

The people voted against Brexit in every constituency and the Tories struggle to fill a taxi

I certainly don't think we should conclude that white older homeowners will gravitate automatically towards the Tories.

[I like neeps]

So when the UK in general is 80%+ white, has an average age of over 40 and a home-ownership rate of 65% it's no wonder the Tories are electorally successful.

For contrast, Scotland is 96% white, median age of 40.1 years, over 60% owner-occupied housing.

The people voted against Brexit in every constituency and the Tories struggle to fill a taxi

I certainly don't think we should conclude that white older homeowners will gravitate automatically towards the Tories.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ge ... he-result/

It is true though, in England anyway.

If you want to predict how a constituency in England will vote look at at age and look at home ownership. If they're high - Tory, if they're low - labour.

[JM2K6]

Well, at least the Tories aren't sustaining an artificially high house price bubble and risking future disaster in order to keep their base happy, eh? Eh? Oh.

[robmatic]

For contrast, Scotland is 96% white, median age of 40.1 years, over 60% owner-occupied housing.

The people voted against Brexit in every constituency and the Tories struggle to fill a taxi

I certainly don't think we should conclude that white older homeowners will gravitate automatically towards the Tories.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ge ... he-result/

It is true though, in England anyway.

If you want to predict how a constituency in England will vote look at at age and look at home ownership. If they're high - Tory, if they're low - labour.

New Labour were able to capture at least some of those votes.

[robmatic]

Well, at least the Tories aren't sustaining an artificially high house price bubble and risking future disaster in order to keep their base happy, eh? Eh? Oh.

You are not wrong but high house prices have cross party appeal.

[JM2K6]

Well, at least the Tories aren't sustaining an artificially high house price bubble and risking future disaster in order to keep their base happy, eh? Eh? Oh.

You are not wrong but high house prices have cross party appeal.

For homeowners. Who are more likely to be Tory. And for people in the housing market, landlords, property developers - who are overwhelmingly likely to be Tory.

[I like neeps]

I certainly don't think we should conclude that white older homeowners will gravitate automatically towards the Tories.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ge ... he-result/

It is true though, in England anyway.

If you want to predict how a constituency in England will vote look at at age and look at home ownership. If they're high - Tory, if they're low - labour.

New Labour were able to capture at least some of those votes.

Yes and the financial crisis, rise of technology/rampant globalisation and Brexit happened and then politics totally changed.

The conservatives these days claim to be quite interventionist economically and all about levelling up the north etc etc and right wing culture war-y focus on the identity and community politics they want and clean up. That gets them the old New Labour voters. Labour as we can see from Starmer can't compete on patriotism and don't have a clear economic policy that is much different to what the Tories are saying because they're mostly offering the same thing now.

Labour will start losing their young graduate core to the Greens.

[JM2K6]

Does levelling up the North mean anything yet? Or is it still just a catchphrase, like "dead in a ditch"?

[robmatic]

Well, at least the Tories aren't sustaining an artificially high house price bubble and risking future disaster in order to keep their base happy, eh? Eh? Oh.

You are not wrong but high house prices have cross party appeal.

For homeowners. Who are more likely to be Tory. And for people in the housing market, landlords, property developers - who are overwhelmingly likely to be Tory.

I don't know if you remember the housing market in the early Noughties but it was bonkers (10%-20% increases every year) and that was entirely a Labour project.

[JM2K6]

You are not wrong but high house prices have cross party appeal.

For homeowners. Who are more likely to be Tory. And for people in the housing market, landlords, property developers - who are overwhelmingly likely to be Tory.

I don't know if you remember the housing market in the early Noughties but it was bonkers (10%-20% increases every year) and that was entirely a Labour project.

I'm not talking about 20 years ago. I'm talking about now. Home ownership has dropped quite a bit in that time. And I'm not sure we can say it was entirely a Labour project, given what we know about the mortgage market, how it was driven, and why it crashed.

[robmatic]

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ge ... he-result/

It is true though, in England anyway.

If you want to predict how a constituency in England will vote look at at age and look at home ownership. If they're high - Tory, if they're low - labour.

New Labour were able to capture at least some of those votes.

Yes and the financial crisis, rise of technology/rampant globalisation and Brexit happened and then politics totally changed.

The conservatives these days claim to be quite interventionist economically and all about levelling up the north etc etc and right wing culture war-y focus on the identity and community politics they want and clean up. That gets them the old New Labour voters. Labour as we can see from Starmer can't compete on patriotism and don't have a clear economic policy that is much different to what the Tories are saying because they're mostly offering the same thing now.

Labour will start losing their young graduate core to the Greens.

UK politics would be much healthier if there were an effective left. I don't mean as lite Tories or as 70s throwback leftists, I'm sure there is some clear ground that they could occupy on economic issues.

[Hal Jordan]

Does levelling up the North mean anything yet? Or is it still just a catchphrase, like "dead in a ditch"?

It means Jenrick is in control of allocating funds for votes.

[I like neeps]

For homeowners. Who are more likely to be Tory. And for people in the housing market, landlords, property developers - who are overwhelmingly likely to be Tory.

I don't know if you remember the housing market in the early Noughties but it was bonkers (10%-20% increases every year) and that was entirely a Labour project.

I'm not talking about 20 years ago. I'm talking about now. Home ownership has dropped quite a bit in that time. And I'm not sure we can say it was entirely a Labour project, given what we know about the mortgage market, how it was driven, and why it crashed.

Labour controlled the global housing market. Didn't you know that? Everyone knows the 2008 GFC was caused only by Labour. Personally I cannot believe they had such influence over the US Investment Banks, various sovereign nations and the global housing bond market. But they did! It's incredible really.

[Biffer]

Does levelling up the North mean anything yet? Or is it still just a catchphrase, like "dead in a ditch"?

Or Northern Powerhouse?

Yeah, seems so.

[I like neeps]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bad ... ssion=true

Actually quite a good article in the Speccie about the quite frankly ridiculous childcare costs in the UK. When children, houses and rent are so expensive no wonder people aren't having kids.

[sturginho]

Election day today, don't forget to put an x next to your local tory

[fishfoodie]

Election day today, don't forget to put an x next to your local tory

How much do you have to lead, for your typical Tory Candidate ?

[ScarfaceClaw]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bad ... ssion=true

Actually quite a good article in the Speccie about the quite frankly ridiculous childcare costs in the UK. When children, houses and rent are so expensive no wonder people aren't having kids.

That brings back memories...

[Ymx]

Who was that on the childcare in London again?

[FalseBayFC]

The Tories may be scummy and sleazy but look like they're going to win Hartlepool quite convincingly
[media] [/media]

This is because sleaze and corruption don't matter. Most people don't care. If I'm a Tory MP I want to feather my best, nobody will give a f*ck.

Also Labour don't stand for anything. The Tories will win old home owning towns and they make up Britain. Hartlepool majority white, majority Brexit, majority homeowners, majority 40+. Draw a Tory seat and you'll draw that.

So the trick is to be a sleazy corrupt government that gives the impression of doing a good job. The Tory voting majority remind me so much of white people in apartheid South Africa. Insular, stupid, bigoted, nationalistic. Completely ready for a pivot further right like the rest of Europe seem to be doing. The UK PM sits in the same category as Bolsanaro, Trump and Putin. Very worrying.