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Green light echo wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 9:50 am Vok I'm going to laugh when the Lions are cancelled :lol: :lol:
Hmmmm :think:
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Is anyone other than me missing playing the Kiwis
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Sards wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 6:33 pm Is anyone other than me missing playing the Kiwis
No, we are missing playing opposition that is not local.
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handyman wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 6:49 am
Sards wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 6:33 pm Is anyone other than me missing playing the Kiwis
No, we are missing playing opposition that is not local.
Amen...includes Kiwis and Argies especially
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Nice to see Lizo G and Trevor doing so well for the Bulls. Barring injuries we have Frans Malherbe, Steven Kitshoff, Vincent Koch, Trevor Nyakane, Lizo Gqoboka, Thomas du Toit, Ox Nche all coming into form. I believe that list to be a fair reflection of the pecking order for the Lions series if form and fitness stay the same. Representation, especially by black Africans, is still something that can become a hot issue at any time. Mark Alexander raised it recently about the Rainbow cup squads. So I am very chuffed that our front row stocks tick that box, even more so when you add Bongi.

Morne imo must now be front runner for Pollard's backup. Cornal Hendricks and Fassi have now shown enough to be included in a wider Bok squad for the Lions series. Vermeulen and van Staden's form is also encouraging.
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FalseBayFC wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 10:09 am Nice to see Lizo G and Trevor doing so well for the Bulls. Barring injuries we have Frans Malherbe, Steven Kitshoff, Vincent Koch, Trevor Nyakane, Lizo Gqoboka, Thomas du Toit, Ox Nche all coming into form. I believe that list to be a fair reflection of the pecking order for the Lions series if form and fitness stay the same. Representation, especially by black Africans, is still something that can become a hot issue at any time. Mark Alexander raised it recently about the Rainbow cup squads. So I am very chuffed that our front row stocks tick that box, even more so when you add Bongi.

Morne imo must now be front runner for Pollard's backup. Cornal Hendricks and Fassi have now shown enough to be included in a wider Bok squad for the Lions series. Vermeulen and van Staden's form is also encouraging.
Agreed on all that. And Dweba. We need to get that lad home asap.

Morne has put his stamp on the competition and needs to be in the mix. Hendricks best center and Fassi the best understudy for Willie.
Between Fassi and Willemse the only reason Rassie/Nienaber might stick with Willemse is versatility, which is a pity because Fassi is better player at the moment.

Lock is the biggest concern for me at the moment. Outside of the 4 RWC locks, and they are just not getting off of the injury lists. Out biggest strength in 2019 might be our biggest weakness in 2021.
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The resting of players now very important. PSdT showed that he can slot in real quick. He and Duanne had their rest. Kolisi look like need a permanent rest
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 1:27 pm The resting of players now very important. PSdT showed that he can slot in real quick. He and Duanne had their rest. Kolisi look like need a permanent rest
Shock horror that Oom wants our black captain to no longer play.

Get a new tune oom, it is not too late to change and accept that its not 1985 anymore
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I haven't watched enough of him to comment on his form, but his tackle statistics in the Bulls match were impressive.
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assfly wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 6:54 am I haven't watched enough of him to comment on his form, but his tackle statistics in the Bulls match were impressive.
Bulls attack down the wings all night?
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Sandstorm wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:05 am
assfly wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 6:54 am I haven't watched enough of him to comment on his form, but his tackle statistics in the Bulls match were impressive.
Bulls attack down the wings all night?
You kid, but indications are that’s how the Lions are going to craft their attack.

Load the edges with rapid loosies that can do something if the Lions manage to get the ball past our outside-in rush defense. When Kolbe / Mapmimpi bite-in to smother the 13, a skip pass from 12 gives them a wing and loosie on the outside. Faf on the sweep can only get to 1 of them.

So it might be handy having a seagull loosie out wide.
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That's exactly the type of backrow the Lions have picked. They're not going to try and bash it up like England did in 2019. Picking Simmonds over Vunipola was a big statement of intent.
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assfly wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:21 am That's exactly the type of backrow the Lions have picked. They're not going to try and bash it up like England did in 2019. Picking Simmonds over Vunipola was a big statement of intent.
Trying to make an excuse to get Kolisi in the Bok team? He need to up his game. He always do if he is the captain.
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Big Nipper wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 6:48 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 1:27 pm The resting of players now very important. PSdT showed that he can slot in real quick. He and Duanne had their rest. Kolisi look like need a permanent rest
Shock horror that Oom wants our black captain to no longer play.

Get a new tune oom, it is not too late to change and accept that its not 1985 anymore
I always backed Kolisi but he is kak since joining the Sharks. Their coach have a lot about him in the press but vokol happen on the field.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:48 am Trying to make an excuse to get Kolisi in the Bok team? He need to up his game. He always do if he is the captain.
Not at all. Just an observation on the sort of opposition we have to prepare for.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:50 am I always backed Kolisi but he is kak since joining the Sharks. Their coach have a lot about him in the press but vokol happen on the field.
:lol: here we go
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assfly wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:52 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:50 am I always backed Kolisi but he is kak since joining the Sharks. Their coach have a lot about him in the press but vokol happen on the field.
:lol: here we go
:lol: This weekend against his former team, he'll perform. :oops:
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Kolisi remains an exceedingly average player.
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Chilli wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:38 am Kolisi remains an exceedingly average player.
Nailed on starter for the Lions tour.

But I wonder beyond the Lions if we may need to look at alternatives, if his form doesn't improve.
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assfly wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:52 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:50 am I always backed Kolisi but he is kak since joining the Sharks. Their coach have a lot about him in the press but vokol happen on the field.
:lol: here we go

Look. He makes a valid point. Our forwards were pummeled. How do you fix that. Its going to have to be Kolisi that makes way. We have some outstanding loose forwards that have been sidelined with Kolisi's arrival. I think the coach has boxed himself into a corner here. Remember Bongi is coming on board so that will solve our hooker issues. Kerron has been very average. We just need to contest for the ball better and thats where v d Mescht will play a role.
The Bulls played a fantastic game. Don't take that away from them. Jake is a genius. I remember the Bulls forwards coach saying half time that they have very good depth for the second half. ..and boy oh boy did they change the game. All part of Jake's Masterplan. Duane being back was huge for the Bulls. The man is a beast. Only J J v d Mescht can cope with him.
Put this one under the belt. Don't obsess over it til we get the Bulls again. Focus on doing what we did to the Stormers and Lions and improve on that. Make sure we maintain our second place position and take bonus points.
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assfly wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:40 am
Chilli wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:38 am Kolisi remains an exceedingly average player.
Nailed on starter for the Lions tour.

But I wonder beyond the Lions if we may need to look at alternatives, if his form doesn't improve.
He is the Captain and will be included in every squad till he resigns
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Sards wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:58 am
assfly wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:52 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:50 am I always backed Kolisi but he is kak since joining the Sharks. Their coach have a lot about him in the press but vokol happen on the field.
:lol: here we go

Look. He makes a valid point. Our forwards were pummeled. How do you fix that. Its going to have to be Kolisi that makes way. We have some outstanding loose forwards that have been sidelined with Kolisi's arrival. I think the coach has boxed himself into a corner here. Remember Bongi is coming on board so that will solve our hooker issues. Kerron has been very average. We just need to contest for the ball better and thats where v d Mescht will play a role.
The Bulls played a fantastic game. Don't take that away from them. Jake is a genius. I remember the Bulls forwards coach saying half time that they have very good depth for the second half. ..and boy oh boy did they change the game. All part of Jake's Masterplan. Duane being back was huge for the Bulls. The man is a beast. Only J J v d Mescht can cope with him.
Put this one under the belt. Don't obsess over it til we get the Bulls again. Focus on doing what we did to the Stormers and Lions and improve on that. Make sure we maintain our second place position and take bonus points.
Mbatha isn't much better than Keiron.
The $harks need a decent hooker, 2 or 3 big bruiseres in the forwards and a decent 10.
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There really is a massive hype train surrounding this JJ vd Mescht kid, isn't there? Personally I haven't seen it.

Massive lump of a man-child for sure; seen the highlight reels of his high school days, but I'm frankly not all that impressed by a 2m 120kg genetic freak trampling a bunch normal sized teenagers.
Like so many of these players, when they hit the big leagues and get pitted against other genetic freaks, their lack of skills development in certain areas of the game become apparent.
I hope he comes good, we need some more cover at lock...but his conditioning leaves a bit to be desired at the moment.
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Blake wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 1:12 pm There really is a massive hype train surrounding this JJ vd Mescht kid, isn't there? Personally I haven't seen it.

Massive lump of a man-child for sure; seen the highlight reels of his high school days, but I'm frankly not all that impressed by a 2m 120kg genetic freak trampling a bunch normal sized teenagers.
Like so many of these players, when they hit the big leagues and get pitted against other genetic freaks, their lack of skills development in certain areas of the game become apparent.
I hope he comes good, we need some more cover at lock...but his conditioning leaves a bit to be desired at the moment.
Watch JJ in action....I have seen no hype of Sharks players besides Kolisi
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Notshe out for several months after he raptured his patella tendon against the Bulls. Poor lad, he was in a good position to push for a bench spot for the Lions tour.
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assfly wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 2:41 pm Notshe out for several months after he raptured his patella tendon against the Bulls. Poor lad, he was in a good position to push for a bench spot for the Lions tour.
That is very sad for him.
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Chilli wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 2:45 pm
assfly wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 2:41 pm Notshe out for several months after he raptured his patella tendon against the Bulls. Poor lad, he was in a good position to push for a bench spot for the Lions tour.
That is very sad for him.
Damn, that'll skew the quality POC numbers. Probably have to include Kolisi in the 22.
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I agree that Kolisi is not on the best form. However he is nailed on starter and captain. So haters will just have to deal. He is capable of putting a good shift of tackling and work in the tight loose for 60 minutes. Then van Staden can come on and go bos.

As poorly as he may be playing, he will never be as ineffective a rugby player as Pierre Spies or as dumb as Corne Krige. So there's that.
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FalseBayFC wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 3:05 pm I agree that Kolisi is not on the best form. However he is nailed on starter and captain. So haters will just have to deal. He is capable of putting a good shift of tackling and work in the tight loose for 60 minutes. Then van Staden can come on and go bos.

As poorly as he may be playing, he will never be as ineffective a rugby player as Pierre Spies or as dumb as Corne Krige. So there's that.
:lol:

Yep. We’ve carried a couple of passengers in the loosies over the years. We’ll be fine until Kolisi can find some form again.

We carried both John Smit and Jean de Villiers toward the end of their careers for what they brought to the table as captains. If Kolisi is vital to maintain a happy team culture because of a strong EQ, and keep politicians from disrupting the team mojo, he is worth keeping around, no matter how out of form he might be. And when his form returns he is as good or better than any other loosie we have.
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 3:02 pm
Chilli wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 2:45 pm
assfly wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 2:41 pm Notshe out for several months after he raptured his patella tendon against the Bulls. Poor lad, he was in a good position to push for a bench spot for the Lions tour.
That is very sad for him.
Damn, that'll skew the quality POC numbers. Probably have to include Kolisi in the 22.
:lol: :lol:
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Blake wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 6:06 pm
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 3:05 pm I agree that Kolisi is not on the best form. However he is nailed on starter and captain. So haters will just have to deal. He is capable of putting a good shift of tackling and work in the tight loose for 60 minutes. Then van Staden can come on and go bos.

As poorly as he may be playing, he will never be as ineffective a rugby player as Pierre Spies or as dumb as Corne Krige. So there's that.
:lol:

Yep. We’ve carried a couple of passengers in the loosies over the years. We’ll be fine until Kolisi can find some form again.

We carried both John Smit and Jean de Villiers toward the end of their careers for what they brought to the table as captains. If Kolisi is vital to maintain a happy team culture because of a strong EQ, and keep politicians from disrupting the team mojo, he is worth keeping around, no matter how out of form he might be. And when his form returns he is as good or better than any other loosie we have.
Great post
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Blake wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 6:06 pm
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 3:05 pm I agree that Kolisi is not on the best form. However he is nailed on starter and captain. So haters will just have to deal. He is capable of putting a good shift of tackling and work in the tight loose for 60 minutes. Then van Staden can come on and go bos.

As poorly as he may be playing, he will never be as ineffective a rugby player as Pierre Spies or as dumb as Corne Krige. So there's that.
:lol:

Yep. We’ve carried a couple of passengers in the loosies over the years. We’ll be fine until Kolisi can find some form again.

We carried both John Smit and Jean de Villiers toward the end of their careers for what they brought to the table as captains. If Kolisi is vital to maintain a happy team culture because of a strong EQ, and keep politicians from disrupting the team mojo, he is worth keeping around, no matter how out of form he might be. And when his form returns he is as good or better than any other loosie we have.
Good post, however he has hit his ceiling when it comes to form.

Moving on :bimbo:

I think that the Stormers are going to poes klap the $harks!
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Chilli wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 7:48 am
Blake wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 6:06 pm
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 3:05 pm I agree that Kolisi is not on the best form. However he is nailed on starter and captain. So haters will just have to deal. He is capable of putting a good shift of tackling and work in the tight loose for 60 minutes. Then van Staden can come on and go bos.

As poorly as he may be playing, he will never be as ineffective a rugby player as Pierre Spies or as dumb as Corne Krige. So there's that.
:lol:

Yep. We’ve carried a couple of passengers in the loosies over the years. We’ll be fine until Kolisi can find some form again.

We carried both John Smit and Jean de Villiers toward the end of their careers for what they brought to the table as captains. If Kolisi is vital to maintain a happy team culture because of a strong EQ, and keep politicians from disrupting the team mojo, he is worth keeping around, no matter how out of form he might be. And when his form returns he is as good or better than any other loosie we have.
Good post, however he has hit his ceiling when it comes to form.

Moving on :bimbo:

I think that the Stormers are going to poes klap the $harks!
Kolisi is the man in the saddle and one has to give him credit for the big role he played the last few years. His form has to pick up though, you cannot play on reputation alone, the team environment will suffer.

I believe that with the right mentor, Kolisi's form will pick up fast.
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TRC schedule announced :grin:
Saturday 14 August
Springboks v Argentina (South Africa)

Saturday 21 August
Argentina v Springboks (South Africa)
Australia v New Zealand (Australia)*

Saturday 28 August
New Zealand v Australia (New Zealand)*

Saturday 4 September – bye week

Saturday 11 September
New Zealand v Argentina (New Zealand)
Springboks v Australia (Australia)

Saturday 18 September
Argentina v New Zealand (New Zealand)
Australia v Springboks (Australia)

Saturday 25 September
New Zealand v Springboks (New Zealand)
Australia v Argentina (Australia)

Saturday 2 October
Springboks v New Zealand (New Zealand)
Argentina v Australia (Australia)

* double as Bledisloe Cup matches.
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assfly wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 6:35 am TRC schedule announced :grin:
Saturday 14 August
Springboks v Argentina (South Africa)

Saturday 21 August
Argentina v Springboks (South Africa)
Australia v New Zealand (Australia)*

Saturday 28 August
New Zealand v Australia (New Zealand)*

Saturday 4 September – bye week

Saturday 11 September
New Zealand v Argentina (New Zealand)
Springboks v Australia (Australia)

Saturday 18 September
Argentina v New Zealand (New Zealand)
Australia v Springboks (Australia)

Saturday 25 September
New Zealand v Springboks (New Zealand)
Australia v Argentina (Australia)

Saturday 2 October
Springboks v New Zealand (New Zealand)
Argentina v Australia (Australia)

* double as Bledisloe Cup matches.
So we play Aus twice and then NZ twice away in 4 consecutive weekends?

Wow...
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We're going to need a big squad for that tour. Great opportunity to blood some new players and try some new combinations.
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assfly wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 6:47 am We're going to need a big squad for that tour. Great opportunity to blood some new players and try some new combinations.
If you want to blood youngsters on that tour, do it against Aus. I don't think it will happen on a big scale though, you need your best players to get into the groove against Aus and then be primed for the RWC 2019 bronze medalists. They will slaughter us otherwise with the amount of rugby we've had.
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handyman wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 6:49 am If you want to blood youngsters on that tour, do it against Aus. I don't think it will happen on a big scale though, you need your best players to get into the groove against Aus and then be primed for the RWC 2019 bronze medalists. They will slaughter us otherwise with the amount of rugby we've had.
Its a tricky one. Normally the year after a world cup is when you bring in some new talent to try them out, but we've lost a year. At least the Lions tour will behind us by then, so there's less emotional pressure on the Boks.

But ja, using Australia and Argentina to try out a few things will be prudent, so that we're in a good place for the last two tests against the losing world cup semi-finalists.
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assfly wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 7:08 am
handyman wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 6:49 am If you want to blood youngsters on that tour, do it against Aus. I don't think it will happen on a big scale though, you need your best players to get into the groove against Aus and then be primed for the RWC 2019 bronze medalists. They will slaughter us otherwise with the amount of rugby we've had.
Its a tricky one. Normally the year after a world cup is when you bring in some new talent to try them out, but we've lost a year. At least the Lions tour will behind us by then, so there's less emotional pressure on the Boks.

But ja, using Australia and Argentina to try out a few things will be prudent, so that we're in a good place for the last two tests against the losing world cup semi-finalists.
I get what you say about new talent after a RWC, but you can bet your house that Rassie and Nienaber will want to put up a big showing vs the Kiwi's, after we lost to them in the pool stages of RWC 2019.

It's a tough period, but I have confidence in our coaching team.

A lot of awesome rugby to look forward to!
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handyman wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 6:45 am
assfly wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 6:35 am TRC schedule announced :grin:
Saturday 14 August
Springboks v Argentina (South Africa)

Saturday 21 August
Argentina v Springboks (South Africa)
Australia v New Zealand (Australia)*

Saturday 28 August
New Zealand v Australia (New Zealand)*

Saturday 4 September – bye week

Saturday 11 September
New Zealand v Argentina (New Zealand)
Springboks v Australia (Australia)

Saturday 18 September
Argentina v New Zealand (New Zealand)
Australia v Springboks (Australia)

Saturday 25 September
New Zealand v Springboks (New Zealand)
Australia v Argentina (Australia)

Saturday 2 October
Springboks v New Zealand (New Zealand)
Argentina v Australia (Australia)

* double as Bledisloe Cup matches.
So we play Aus twice and then NZ twice away in 4 consecutive weekends?

Wow...
Boks could lose 7 tests in a row by 2 October.

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