So, coronavirus...

[TheNatalShark]

I'm confused. What's Macron got to do with Norway and Denmark?

He was told it would help in the legal action case by EUCO if it at least looked like they might want the vaccines, so being in control of Europe with mutie Merkel set to work.

[Biffer]

I read today that the breakthrough in mRNA vaccines has led to tests in vaccinations against some cancers, samples are taken from the tumours and a vaccine is tailored for the patient, early signs are promising with some cases resulting in complete recovery where other treatments have failed.

This truly amazing.

It is. Have a friend in medical research and she reckons if we throw as much money at other diseases as Covid and get as many trials going, we’ll cure all sorts in no time.

This is the century of biotechnology. If you have kids, or other young relatives and friends, steer them in that direction.

[BnM]

[Enzedder]

according to US intelligence

There's the problem

[Calculon]

according to US intelligence

There's the problem

Yeah, and it comes from the dying days of the trump regime

The twitter response to this is actually pretty good

[BnM]

Olympics

Read that only 4% are vaccinated, that may be whole pop or adults but at 4% not sure it matters.

[Heliox]

This is the same quality of intelligence interpretation that led to the invasion of Iraq on the suspicion of WMDs.

What actually happened:
China centralises the routine and random collection of flu sample from patients around the country.
In March WIV was tasked to a batch of sample collected between January 2019 to January 2020.
In those samples, 4 COVID-19 positive cases, 3 adult and 1 elderly were identified from Nov 2019 samples.

US Army Intelligence
WIV had 3 staff infected in November 2019

https://twitter.com/ZichenWanghere/stat ... Fpage-1286

The clarification above will probably never merit a single column inch on WSJ

[TheNatalShark]

Olympics

Read that only 4% are vaccinated, that may be whole pop or adults but at 4% not sure it matters.

The Japanese government were very unhappy with the EU's export authorisation mechanism, which forced them to admit they had 28mm quality checked doses already in Japan as of the last week of April, and would have 52mm minimum by end of May (assuming all pass checks). Appears lots of domestic politics around who or how the rollout programme should be accelerated. Hopefully they work out the kinks sharpish if through political pressure if nothing else gets it going - odd foreign silver lining to the EU's bureaucracy and domestic preciousness.

[Lemoentjie]

It's happening...

Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before COVID-19 outbreak disclosed - WSJ: https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-05-23/

Three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) sought hospital care in November 2019, months before China disclosed the COVID-19 pandemic, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday, citing a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report.

The newspaper said the report - which provides fresh details on the number of researchers affected, the timing of their illnesses, and their hospital visits - may add weight to calls for a broader probe of whether the COVID-19 virus could have escaped from the laboratory.

The report came on the eve of a meeting of the World Health Organization's decision-making body, which is expected to discuss the next phase of an investigation into the origins of COVID-19.

A National Security Council spokeswoman had no comment on the Journal's report but said the Biden administration continued to have "serious questions about the earliest days of the COVID-19 pandemic, including its origins within the Peoples Republic of China."

She said the U.S. government was working with the WHO and other member states to support an expert-driven evaluation of the pandemic's origins "that is free from interference or politicization." "We're not going to make pronouncements that prejudge an ongoing WHO study into the source of SARS-CoV-2, but we've been clear that sound and technically credible theories should be thoroughly evaluated by international experts," she said.

The Journal said current and former officials familiar with the intelligence about the lab researchers expressed a range of views about the strength of the report's supporting evidence, with one unnamed person saying it needed "further investigation and additional corroboration."

The United States, Norway, Canada, Britain and other countries in March expressed concerns about the WHO-led COVID-19 origins study, and called for further investigation and full access to all pertinent human, animal and other data about the early stages of the outbreak.

Washington is keen to ensure greater cooperation and transparency by China, according to a source familiar with the effort. The Chinese Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Sunday.

On Sunday, China's foreign ministry noted that a WHO-led team had concluded a lab leak was extremely unlikely after a visit in February to the virology institute. "The U.S. continues to hype the lab leak theory," the ministry said in response to a request for comment by the Journal. "Is it actually concerned about tracing the source or trying to divert attention?"

The Trump administration had said it suspected the virus may have escaped from a Chinese lab, which Beijing denies.

A State Department fact sheet released near the end of the Trump administration had said "the U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses." It did not say how many researchers.

China refused to give raw data on early COVID-19 cases to the WHO-led team probing the origins of the pandemic, according to one of the team’s investigators, Reuters reported in February, potentially complicating efforts to understand how the outbreak began.

[Margin__Walker]

It's happening already on this thread. On this very page in fact.

Keep up

[Slick]

It's happening already on this thread. On this very page in fact.

Keep up

Just another part of the sickening plot

[Lobby]

This is the same quality of intelligence interpretation that led to the invasion of Iraq on the suspicion of WMDs.

What actually happened:
China centralises the routine and random collection of flu sample from patients around the country.
In March WIV was tasked to a batch of sample collected between January 2019 to January 2020.
In those samples, 4 COVID-19 positive cases, 3 adult and 1 elderly were identified from Nov 2019 samples.

US Army Intelligence
WIV had 3 staff infected in November 2019

https://twitter.com/ZichenWanghere/stat ... Fpage-1286

The clarification above will probably never merit a single column inch on WSJ

While I agree that the WSJ report is bullshit, I'm not sure that I'd necessarily believe a rebuttal from Chinese State media either

[sockwithaticket]

Precisely, neither source is reliable. A generally decent rule of thumb, though, is that if the Chinese government or one of it's many limbs is disputing having done something, then they probably did it or something else worth deflecting from.

[Lemoentjie]

Is the current theory being pushed by China a bat or a pangolin?

[tabascoboy]

Precisely, neither source is reliable. A generally decent rule of thumb, though, is that if any government or one of it's many limbs is disputing having done something, then they probably did it or something else worth deflecting from.

Fixed.

[sockwithaticket]

Is the current theory being pushed by China a bat or a pangolin?

I think they've backed off the pangolins, so that they can keep pushing them to brink of extinction with apparent impunity. I wonder if one of the most effective things conservation charities could do is set up a viagra info-fair that tours China (and a few other parts of the far east) endlessly, persuading them that a simple pill rather than parts of endangered animals can sort out their issues.

Precisely, neither source is reliable. A generally decent rule of thumb, though, is that if any government or one of it's many limbs is disputing having done something, then they probably did it or something else worth deflecting from.

Fixed.

Fair, though I reserve a particularly high level of skepticism for the likes of China.

[Calculon]

Is the current theory being pushed by China a bat or a pangolin?

It has always been known that the ancestral host are bats, but it was not known if there was, and if there was what it was, an intermediate host. The pangolin was proposed as an intermediate host. I posted this on a thread I started not long ago

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... ruses.aspx

Which argues that no intermediate host is necessary and was not present, same as for SARS 1 and MERS, and goes into the nature of the episodic species jump of coronavirus

Of course we all known Big Science, especially virology is under the control of the CCP and that the virus was engineered by the CCP, released to discreted Trump. But in fact the CCP is controlled by the NWO, who told the CCP to make this virus so that they could inject people with the vaccine, BTW made by Bill Gates, to alter their genes. The hydrogel self replicating nanobots in the vaccine will hold all banking and medical info which will be readable through the new luciferase. Quantum dot tattoo will imprint an invisible bar code on your fingertips. They use it for vaccine and health records. The vaccine is the link that ties the body to the quantum computer nicknamed the BEAST SYSTEM. So you see the vaccine actually fits all the criteria for the mark of the beast. This was all foretold in Revelation 13:15-17. What's more 6 month old aborted fetuses are used to make this vaccine.

[TheNatalShark]

Any 18-29s in Scotland (outside Moray) able to get an appointment yet?

https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/

[Slick]

Indians in Scotland said that Nicola Sturgeon’s decision to rename the so-called Indian strain of Covid-19 over fears that it would lead to prejudice was “gesture politics”.

Neil Lal, president of the Indian Council of Scotland, accused the first minister of “playing to the galleries” for choosing to refer to the strain as “April-02” instead.

“I’ve not heard from one Indian who has voiced any concern over a Covid strain being called the Indian variant. Not one,” he told the Sunday Mail. “We’ve certainly not been asked our views on it. We’ve had the Brazilian, South African, Kent and other variants. There’s been no indication any people from these areas have suffered after a strain was named after the region they were from.

“It just looks like gesture politics and empty ones at that. When I heard about it, I just thought it was very silly. No one is taking offence to it. It’s an overused term but it’s political correctness gone mad.

“This is just playing to the galleries. The facts speak for themselves. People don’t feel stigmatised because a variant developed in India

[Dogbert]

Any 18-29s in Scotland (outside Moray) able to get an appointment yet?

https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/

My 22 year old son just has :-)

[Tichtheid]

Indians in Scotland said that Nicola Sturgeon’s decision to rename the so-called Indian strain of Covid-19 over fears that it would lead to prejudice was “gesture politics”.

Neil Lal, president of the Indian Council of Scotland, accused the first minister of “playing to the galleries” for choosing to refer to the strain as “April-02” instead.

“I’ve not heard from one Indian who has voiced any concern over a Covid strain being called the Indian variant. Not one,” he told the Sunday Mail. “We’ve certainly not been asked our views on it. We’ve had the Brazilian, South African, Kent and other variants. There’s been no indication any people from these areas have suffered after a strain was named after the region they were from.

“It just looks like gesture politics and empty ones at that. When I heard about it, I just thought it was very silly. No one is taking offence to it. It’s an overused term but it’s political correctness gone mad.

“This is just playing to the galleries. The facts speak for themselves. People don’t feel stigmatised because a variant developed in India

She is not alone, I read that the World Health Organisation is to introduce a naming system that would avoid “stigmatisation and is geographically and politically neutral”.

[tc27]

Indians in Scotland said that Nicola Sturgeon’s decision to rename the so-called Indian strain of Covid-19 over fears that it would lead to prejudice was “gesture politics”.

Neil Lal, president of the Indian Council of Scotland, accused the first minister of “playing to the galleries” for choosing to refer to the strain as “April-02” instead.

“I’ve not heard from one Indian who has voiced any concern over a Covid strain being called the Indian variant. Not one,” he told the Sunday Mail. “We’ve certainly not been asked our views on it. We’ve had the Brazilian, South African, Kent and other variants. There’s been no indication any people from these areas have suffered after a strain was named after the region they were from.

“It just looks like gesture politics and empty ones at that. When I heard about it, I just thought it was very silly. No one is taking offence to it. It’s an overused term but it’s political correctness gone mad.

“This is just playing to the galleries. The facts speak for themselves. People don’t feel stigmatised because a variant developed in India

And a few line slater used the 'Kent variant' description. Its pathetic.

[Slick]

Indians in Scotland said that Nicola Sturgeon’s decision to rename the so-called Indian strain of Covid-19 over fears that it would lead to prejudice was “gesture politics”.

Neil Lal, president of the Indian Council of Scotland, accused the first minister of “playing to the galleries” for choosing to refer to the strain as “April-02” instead.

“I’ve not heard from one Indian who has voiced any concern over a Covid strain being called the Indian variant. Not one,” he told the Sunday Mail. “We’ve certainly not been asked our views on it. We’ve had the Brazilian, South African, Kent and other variants. There’s been no indication any people from these areas have suffered after a strain was named after the region they were from.

“It just looks like gesture politics and empty ones at that. When I heard about it, I just thought it was very silly. No one is taking offence to it. It’s an overused term but it’s political correctness gone mad.

“This is just playing to the galleries. The facts speak for themselves. People don’t feel stigmatised because a variant developed in India

She is not alone, I read that the World Health Organisation is to introduce a naming system that would avoid “stigmatisation and is geographically and politically neutral”.

Excellent, it's high time we stopped stigmatising people who don't feel stigmatised.

[Tichtheid]

What are Neil Lal's politics?

[Slick]

What are Neil Lal's politics?

Don't stigmatise him

[tc27]

[Raggs]

I've got a mate living in Glasgow who's absolutely fed up. They're in lockdown for an undefined period, but there's being constant allowances being made for football stuff. It seems like everyone has to stay there, and be on lockdown, so the numbers can look good enough to allow for these events.

[Mahoney]

Jag for injection is a new one on me.

[Lemoentjie]

Is the current theory being pushed by China a bat or a pangolin?

It has always been known that the ancestral host are bats, but it was not known if there was, and if there was what it was, an intermediate host. The pangolin was proposed as an intermediate host. I posted this on a thread I started not long ago

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... ruses.aspx

Which argues that no intermediate host is necessary and was not present, same as for SARS 1 and MERS, and goes into the nature of the episodic species jump of coronavirus

Of course we all known Big Science, especially virology is under the control of the CCP and that the virus was engineered by the CCP, released to discreted Trump. But in fact the CCP is controlled by the NWO, who told the CCP to make this virus so that they could inject people with the vaccine, BTW made by Bill Gates, to alter their genes. The hydrogel self replicating nanobots in the vaccine will hold all banking and medical info which will be readable through the new luciferase. Quantum dot tattoo will imprint an invisible bar code on your fingertips. They use it for vaccine and health records. The vaccine is the link that ties the body to the quantum computer nicknamed the BEAST SYSTEM. So you see the vaccine actually fits all the criteria for the mark of the beast. This was all foretold in Revelation 13:15-17. What's more 6 month old aborted fetuses are used to make this vaccine.

You can't just create a strawnman of the most ridiculous conspiracy theorists to try and suggest that questioning the CCP's story is stupid or insane.

Is it really so unbelievable that it accidentally leaked from a lab? Occam's Razor.

[Tichtheid]

Jag for injection is a new one on me.

Jag is what we always called it.

[Biffer]

Jag for injection is a new one on me.

Jag is what we always called it.

Yeah, it's pretty much Scotland only that says it. Got your jag.

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Any 18-29s in Scotland (outside Moray) able to get an appointment yet?

https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/

My 22 year old son just has :-)

Sent the link to my daughter, but as she's 19 and a student it's quite possible she's not yet awake (it's only 3pm after all)

[Calculon]

Is the current theory being pushed by China a bat or a pangolin?

It has always been known that the ancestral host are bats, but it was not known if there was, and if there was what it was, an intermediate host. The pangolin was proposed as an intermediate host. I posted this on a thread I started not long ago

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... ruses.aspx

Which argues that no intermediate host is necessary and was not present, same as for SARS 1 and MERS, and goes into the nature of the episodic species jump of coronavirus

Of course we all known Big Science, especially virology is under the control of the CCP and that the virus was engineered by the CCP, released to discreted Trump. But in fact the CCP is controlled by the NWO, who told the CCP to make this virus so that they could inject people with the vaccine, BTW made by Bill Gates, to alter their genes. The hydrogel self replicating nanobots in the vaccine will hold all banking and medical info which will be readable through the new luciferase. Quantum dot tattoo will imprint an invisible bar code on your fingertips. They use it for vaccine and health records. The vaccine is the link that ties the body to the quantum computer nicknamed the BEAST SYSTEM. So you see the vaccine actually fits all the criteria for the mark of the beast. This was all foretold in Revelation 13:15-17. What's more 6 month old aborted fetuses are used to make this vaccine.

You can't just create a strawnman of the most ridiculous conspiracy theorists to try and suggest that questioning the CCP's story is stupid or insane.

Is it really so unbelievable that it accidentally leaked from a lab? Occam's Razor.

You started a thread not long ago on how the virus was supposedly engineered by humans, and now you post:

Is the current theory being pushed by China a bat or a pangolin

So apologies if I have misunderstood your views on the origin of SARS COV 2. Occam's razor would suggest that like all the other cases of coronavirus jumping species, it propably happened outside of the lab, but it is certainly possible for it to happen in a lab setting as well. It's unlikely we will ever know exactly where it happened, and presently the "evidence" for a lab leak is extremely weak.

[tc27]

[BnM]

[ScarfaceClaw]

I do find it slightly amusing that people are rushing to get injections from a random white van that pulls up into the street. Don’t take sweets from strangers. Oooooh, that white van over there has a queue...

[Sandstorm]

I do find it slightly amusing that people are rushing to get injections from a random white van that pulls up into the street. Don’t take sweets from strangers. Oooooh, that white van over there has a queue...

Do those white vans still drive around London selling dodgy speakers at "Big discount for you today only, sir!!" prices?

[sturginho]

And now I have the Venga Bus in my head

[SaintK]

Wasn't sure if this should go on the Tory Scum thread.
Bloody incompetence strikes yet again

Public health chiefs are demanding urgent answers about why the government failed to announce new travel advice urging millions of people not to travel into or out of Covid hotspots.

As news spread of the guidance on Tuesday, four days after it was quietly published on a government website, Dominic Harrison, the director of public health for Blackburn with Darwen council, said local councils had still had no notification from Westminster about it.

Harrison said he was “astonished” that public health chiefs had not been told about the latest advice, which affects millions of people, and that it was “very difficult” to support the advice without seeing the government’s risk assessment.

He added: “This advice has massive implications for school trips, for hospitality, for people playing football matches, for footfall for small businesses, and for the economic recovery for town centres. The fact that the government’s just announced it without consultation or evidence is astonishing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... ts-covid

[Openside]

But you still had no experience of the Somme. It's your 'in my experience' BS that people are calling out - it's not your experience it's hearsay.

Aah so if was sophistry rather than the validity of my comment. In which case your ‘experience’ only ever counts for you as an individual.

That's what experience is - what you've done and seen. If other people have done and seen it, it isn't your experience. That's not sophistry, it's just language.

But I have seen and heard people telling me that they don't do it, thats my experience