No, that's hearsay.Openside wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:36 amBut I have seen and heard people telling me that they don't do it, thats my experience
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OS in court:Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:17 amNo, that's hearsay.
Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:17 amNo, that's hearsay.
Game, set and match!.......................and Zahawi making it worseSaintK wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:31 am Wasn't sure if this should go on the Tory Scum thread.
Bloody incompetence strikes yet againhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... ts-covidPublic health chiefs are demanding urgent answers about why the government failed to announce new travel advice urging millions of people not to travel into or out of Covid hotspots.
As news spread of the guidance on Tuesday, four days after it was quietly published on a government website, Dominic Harrison, the director of public health for Blackburn with Darwen council, said local councils had still had no notification from Westminster about it.
Harrison said he was “astonished” that public health chiefs had not been told about the latest advice, which affects millions of people, and that it was “very difficult” to support the advice without seeing the government’s risk assessment.
He added: “This advice has massive implications for school trips, for hospitality, for people playing football matches, for footfall for small businesses, and for the economic recovery for town centres. The fact that the government’s just announced it without consultation or evidence is astonishing.
Nadim Zahawi has just said that people in the areas with new restrictions can still go and visit families outside those areas but should meet outside if they can - the Government website says "avoid travelling in and out of affected areas unless it is essential"
An utter shambles
Israel is a lot closer to fully double dosed, and double dosed is appearing to be far more important with regards to variants.
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
And then I find out that my brother's son in law and daughter are anti vaxxers! Plus he drives a school bus FFS...
Israel is further ahead in double doses which is reflected in them dropping restrictions three weeks before the UK
62% at least on dose vs 56%
60% double dose vs 30%
My point was that they aren't dropping all restrictions with similar levels to Wales, they're dropping them whilst being much ahead of Wales.tc27 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:05 pm
Israel is further ahead in double doses which is reflected in them dropping restrictions three weeks before the UK
62% at least on dose vs 56%
60% double dose vs 30%
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Good to see that this far in wishy-washy, sometimes contradictory, advice is still the order of the day.SaintK wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:55 am.......................and Zahawi making it worseSaintK wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:31 am Wasn't sure if this should go on the Tory Scum thread.
Bloody incompetence strikes yet againhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... ts-covidPublic health chiefs are demanding urgent answers about why the government failed to announce new travel advice urging millions of people not to travel into or out of Covid hotspots.
As news spread of the guidance on Tuesday, four days after it was quietly published on a government website, Dominic Harrison, the director of public health for Blackburn with Darwen council, said local councils had still had no notification from Westminster about it.
Harrison said he was “astonished” that public health chiefs had not been told about the latest advice, which affects millions of people, and that it was “very difficult” to support the advice without seeing the government’s risk assessment.
He added: “This advice has massive implications for school trips, for hospitality, for people playing football matches, for footfall for small businesses, and for the economic recovery for town centres. The fact that the government’s just announced it without consultation or evidence is astonishing.Nadim Zahawi has just said that people in the areas with new restrictions can still go and visit families outside those areas but should meet outside if they can - the Government website says "avoid travelling in and out of affected areas unless it is essential"
An utter shambles
Raggs wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:09 pmMy point was that they aren't dropping all restrictions with similar levels to Wales, they're dropping them whilst being much ahead of Wales.
I think Wales and possibly the entire Uk will be comfortably where Israel is today in a months time when the UK relaxes restrictions.
Also FWIW Wales today is at 80% first dose vaccinations amongst adults which is higher than Israel.
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:18 pmLeicester shouldn't have been on the list in the firsts placeGood to see that this far in wishy-washy, sometimes contradictory, advice is still the order of the day.
Shambles!!
Sir Peter Soulsby, the Labour mayor of Leicester, says the city has been told by the government that it was included in the list of places covered by new Covid hotspot guidelines by mistake. He has posted a link to a statement by Prof Ivan Browne, the city’s director of public health, that expands on the statement put out by the council earlier.
Surely that depends on the demographics of the Israeli population? Unless you've seen a breakdown I haven't, I can only compare overall % of population, rather than adult vs child etc.tc27 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:40 pm
I think Wales and possibly the entire Uk will be comfortably where Israel is today in a months time when the UK relaxes restrictions.
Also FWIW Wales today is at 80% first dose vaccinations amongst adults which is higher than Israel.
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Not what you said.Openside wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:36 amBut I have seen and heard people telling me that they don't do it, thats my experience
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Worries are not going away and folk are still concerned about a new peak in July. Modelling still suggesting the Increased transmissibility of Johnson/Modi variant coupled with easing of lock down may cause a very sharp increase in case numbers and pressure on NHS. Fingers are crossed that hospitalisations down increase significantly, forthcoming good weather may help get folk outdoors and avoid indoor venues/spread. Modelling assumptions may be on the pessimistic side? Rising numbers of new variant may impact on travel abroad - other countries may want to avoid Brits coming in. Still real worries about a respiratory virus/flu in coming winter particularly impacting kids. It will be interesting to see if these are going to be major issues or just bumps on the road towards normality.dpedin wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:19 pmI think the next weeks and couple of months are going to be very interesting! It sounds like it might be a difficult time with lock down easing and more transmissible variant in the community. As above the modelling is very dependant upon the assumptions made but it could go either way. However I am hearing there are some real worries we will see a significant new peak in July. Hopefully we won't see hospitalisations increasing but long covid is a worry. Fingers crossed!Biffer wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:31 pmThis fella goes through his own model, compares with the Warwick model and explains the effects of variations in different assumptions.dpedin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:50 pm
Hopefully this proves correct, however the impact of the new variant might be the thing that screws things up? Higher transmission rate of new variant might increase number of cases significantly and even though they will be in the 50's or younger there will be an inevitable % who will require hospitalisation, etc.It really has come at just the wrong time and might screw the loosening of the lock down and holidays for a short while? Yet again the Blonde Bumblecunt made a decision, this time with India travel, too late and this might be the result. Would have been easier to piss off Modi for a week or two.
I am due my 2nd jab in 10 days and it takes about 2-3 weeks to become fully effective. I will be wearing mask, following social distancing and avoiding indoor bars and restaurants until end of June. Luckily my golf club has a nice outdoor balcony to have a quiet pint on.
How very droll.
PHE and HSJ actually! 20% - 50% additional cases of RSV particularly in under 3s. These kids get very ill very quickly. Planning already underway and additional capacity is being built up. Problem is that although there hasn't been a big covid19 impact on paediatric services (so far) the staff were redeployed ie paediatric intensive care nurses and docs, to adult services and are therefore exhausted already, It takes a considerable amount of time to train ie 2 years post graduation, a neonatal critical care nurse and paediatric anaesthetists and intensivists are always in short supply so concerns are real.
https://www.hsj.co.uk/public-health/exc ... 61.article
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Its right to be very careful and try and catch those early indicators - even without the vaccine case numbers/deaths went very low last summer leading some parts of the UK to declare they had eliminated the virus only for it to come back with a vengeance in the winter.
A booster vaccine programme in the Autumn will hopefully keep a lid on things.
A booster vaccine programme in the Autumn will hopefully keep a lid on things.
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Cui bono?
https://apnews.com/article/europe-socia ... =AP_EuropeSocial media heavyweights wooed for Pfizer smear campaign
LE PECQ, France (AP) — Social media influencers in France with hundreds of thousands of followers say a mysterious advertising agency offered to pay them if they agreed to smear Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine with negative fake stories.
French YouTuber Léo Grasset was among those contacted. He said Tuesday that he was offered a potentially lucrative but also hush-hush deal to make bogus claims that Pfizer’s vaccine poses a deadly risk and that regulators and mainstream media are covering up the supposed dangers.
Grasset, who has 1.1 million subscribers on YouTube, says he refused. Other France-based influencers with sizable audiences on Twitter, Instagram and other platforms also said they were contacted with similar offers of payment for posts.
The person who contacted Grasset identified himself as Anton and said his agency has a “quite considerable” budget for what he described as an “information campaign” about “COVID-19 and the vaccines offered to the European population, notably AstraZeneca and Pfizer.”
Specifically, Anton asked for a 45- to 60-second video on Instagram, TikTok or YouTube to say that “the mortality rate of the Pfizer vaccine is 3 times greater than the AstraZeneca” and querying why the European Union is buying it.
“This is a monopoly and is causing harm to public health,” Anton claimed of EU’s purchases.
He refused in a follow-up email to divulge who is financing the disinformation campaign, saying: “The client prefers to remain incognito.”
Grasset shared the email exchanges with The Associated Press.
The smear effort drew a withering response from French Health Minister Olivier Veran.
“It’s pathetic, it’s dangerous, it’s irresponsible and it doesn’t work,” he said.
The person who contacted Grasset said he works for an advertising agency called Fazze. A website for Fazze used to give a London address but that had been scrubbed from the site on Tuesday. Companies House, where British firms are registered, has no record of Fazze.
The AP sent emails requesting comment to a contact address listed on the website and to the email address used by Anton. Neither elicited an immediate response.
Anton’s emails included a password-protected link to a set of instructions in error-strewn English for the would-be campaign.
It said influencers who agreed to take part shouldn’t say that they were being sponsored and should instead “present the material as your own independent view.”
Other instructions were that influencers should say “that mainstream media ignores this theme” and should ask why governments are purchasing Pfizer.
A trainee doctor in southern France with tens of thousands of followers who was also approached for the smear effort told French broadcaster BFMTV that he was offered more than 2,000 euros ($3,000) for a 30-second video post.
Grasset said that given the large size of his YouTube following, he possibly might have earned tens of thousands of euros (dollars) had he agreed to take part.
Instead, he wrote back that “I can’t work for a client that won’t give its name and who asks me to hide the partnership.”
“Too many red flags,” Grasset said in an interview with AP. “I decided not to do it.”
“They wanted me to talk about the Pfizer vaccine in a way that would be detrimental to the Pfizer vaccine reputation,” he said.
He said the disinformation effort drives home the need for people “to be super, super cautious” about what they see online.
“We creators on YouTube, on internet, Instagram, et cetera, we are at the center of something going on like an information war,” he said. “We, as creators, need to set our standards really high because it’s, I think, just the beginning.”
It will be interesting to see if the booster is found to be clinically required, I understand lots of research underway on this and due to report soon as the evidence base builds up. The NHS is ready and geared up to deliver this if required and will do so successfully. However it is between now and the Autumn that is the high risk period - a more contagious variant and many millions still to be vaccinated.tc27 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:52 am Its right to be very careful and try and catch those early indicators - even without the vaccine case numbers/deaths went very low last summer leading some parts of the UK to declare they had eliminated the virus only for it to come back with a vengeance in the winter.
A booster vaccine programme in the Autumn will hopefully keep a lid on things.
It will be interesting to see if we start vaccinated over 12s - the FDA have already stated it is safe in the age group. this would certainly help achieving the levels of vaccination required for herd immunity. c20% of population is under 16. I suspect, without any real evidence, that we will see a secondary school vaccination programme in the autumn.
There's a fresh trial just starting now in the UK investigating antibody response to a third dose based across a number of different vaccines including J&J, Novavax, Moderna, Pfizer etc. I suspect that unless there's evidence showing a bad side effect that there will be a limited 3rd dose programme for something like over-50s only.dpedin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:48 amIt will be interesting to see if the booster is found to be clinically required, I understand lots of research underway on this and due to report soon as the evidence base builds up. The NHS is ready and geared up to deliver this if required and will do so successfully. However it is between now and the Autumn that is the high risk period - a more contagious variant and many millions still to be vaccinated.tc27 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:52 am Its right to be very careful and try and catch those early indicators - even without the vaccine case numbers/deaths went very low last summer leading some parts of the UK to declare they had eliminated the virus only for it to come back with a vengeance in the winter.
A booster vaccine programme in the Autumn will hopefully keep a lid on things.
It will be interesting to see if we start vaccinated over 12s - the FDA have already stated it is safe in the age group. this would certainly help achieving the levels of vaccination required for herd immunity. c20% of population is under 16. I suspect, without any real evidence, that we will see a secondary school vaccination programme in the autumn.
There was a UK trial for 6-17 year olds for AZ being run in the UK that was scheduled to last 12 months. No word at the moment if that's still running in light of concerns over blood clots. I could see Moderna/Pfizer being signed off for 16&17 year olds though very easily given there's an expectation that this will be part of our lives for at least the next couple of years, so it makes little sense for them not to be approved
Cheers - agree with your comments. u12 still to be decided but I don't really see any option, without vaccination we risk having continuous cycles of infection hot spots and danger or wider community transmissions, etc.Saint wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:23 pmThere's a fresh trial just starting now in the UK investigating antibody response to a third dose based across a number of different vaccines including J&J, Novavax, Moderna, Pfizer etc. I suspect that unless there's evidence showing a bad side effect that there will be a limited 3rd dose programme for something like over-50s only.dpedin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:48 amIt will be interesting to see if the booster is found to be clinically required, I understand lots of research underway on this and due to report soon as the evidence base builds up. The NHS is ready and geared up to deliver this if required and will do so successfully. However it is between now and the Autumn that is the high risk period - a more contagious variant and many millions still to be vaccinated.tc27 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:52 am Its right to be very careful and try and catch those early indicators - even without the vaccine case numbers/deaths went very low last summer leading some parts of the UK to declare they had eliminated the virus only for it to come back with a vengeance in the winter.
A booster vaccine programme in the Autumn will hopefully keep a lid on things.
It will be interesting to see if we start vaccinated over 12s - the FDA have already stated it is safe in the age group. this would certainly help achieving the levels of vaccination required for herd immunity. c20% of population is under 16. I suspect, without any real evidence, that we will see a secondary school vaccination programme in the autumn.
There was a UK trial for 6-17 year olds for AZ being run in the UK that was scheduled to last 12 months. No word at the moment if that's still running in light of concerns over blood clots. I could see Moderna/Pfizer being signed off for 16&17 year olds though very easily given there's an expectation that this will be part of our lives for at least the next couple of years, so it makes little sense for them not to be approved
At 80% vaccinated we should be pretty much at herd immunity give or take. So there won't be any huge rush to approve the vaccine for younger age groups given their incredibly low risk to the virus, as long as the remainder of the population continues to be well protected through either long term immunity or booster shots. At that point this actually does become a bit of a no-brainer - whatever stocks and production we have will need to be focussed overseas so as to reduce the risk of a variant that really does evade the vaccine occurring in India or any other infection hotspot, provided we can continue to ensure those that have already received two jabs continue to be protected.dpedin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:38 pmCheers - agree with your comments. u12 still to be decided but I don't really see any option, without vaccination we risk having continuous cycles of infection hot spots and danger or wider community transmissions, etc.Saint wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:23 pmThere's a fresh trial just starting now in the UK investigating antibody response to a third dose based across a number of different vaccines including J&J, Novavax, Moderna, Pfizer etc. I suspect that unless there's evidence showing a bad side effect that there will be a limited 3rd dose programme for something like over-50s only.dpedin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:48 am
It will be interesting to see if the booster is found to be clinically required, I understand lots of research underway on this and due to report soon as the evidence base builds up. The NHS is ready and geared up to deliver this if required and will do so successfully. However it is between now and the Autumn that is the high risk period - a more contagious variant and many millions still to be vaccinated.
It will be interesting to see if we start vaccinated over 12s - the FDA have already stated it is safe in the age group. this would certainly help achieving the levels of vaccination required for herd immunity. c20% of population is under 16. I suspect, without any real evidence, that we will see a secondary school vaccination programme in the autumn.
There was a UK trial for 6-17 year olds for AZ being run in the UK that was scheduled to last 12 months. No word at the moment if that's still running in light of concerns over blood clots. I could see Moderna/Pfizer being signed off for 16&17 year olds though very easily given there's an expectation that this will be part of our lives for at least the next couple of years, so it makes little sense for them not to be approved
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Dirty Krauts are again attacking our great British vaccine with their stupid sun dial pseudo science theories. Need to stop worrying about Cummings and remember our true enemies are the dirty Euros.
https://amp.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec0 ... ssion=true
https://amp.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec0 ... ssion=true
Yeah, we;re already back to over 4.1 million doses per week and looking to get bigger
On a side note, has anyone seen Canada's figures recently? From struggling to even have a single dose to deliver in country, they're not outpacing the US for 1st doses delivered, and making serious headway in overall doses. Over the last month they've had 4 or 5 days where they've delivered the most doses per population of anywhere in the globe. Given the logistics involved to delivering vaccine anywhere outside of Ontario, that's seriously impressive stuff
More impressive than Mongolia? They're crazy figures for such an enormous country, especially considering the number of people that live miles from anywhere, even the nearest road.Saint wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:03 pmYeah, we;re already back to over 4.1 million doses per week and looking to get bigger
On a side note, has anyone seen Canada's figures recently? From struggling to even have a single dose to deliver in country, they're not outpacing the US for 1st doses delivered, and making serious headway in overall doses. Over the last month they've had 4 or 5 days where they've delivered the most doses per population of anywhere in the globe. Given the logistics involved to delivering vaccine anywhere outside of Ontario, that's seriously impressive stuff
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Similar challenges. 50% of the population of Canada lives south of 46th parallel, in an area roughly the size of New England, which leaves you with half the population (around 17 million people) of the country living North of that - in the second largest country in the world by land area. Also an allowance needs to be made that the Canadian gov has gone out of it's way to vaccinate a lot of the indigenous population in the north first, which is the hardest to reach - it''s not like they've started with the easy stuffRaggs wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:11 pmMore impressive than Mongolia? They're crazy figures for such an enormous country, especially considering the number of people that live miles from anywhere, even the nearest road.Saint wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:03 pmYeah, we;re already back to over 4.1 million doses per week and looking to get bigger
On a side note, has anyone seen Canada's figures recently? From struggling to even have a single dose to deliver in country, they're not outpacing the US for 1st doses delivered, and making serious headway in overall doses. Over the last month they've had 4 or 5 days where they've delivered the most doses per population of anywhere in the globe. Given the logistics involved to delivering vaccine anywhere outside of Ontario, that's seriously impressive stuff
Although severe kudos to Mongolia given their relative lack of infrastructure and money
37m UK doses, 54m EU Doses. Obviously well below expectations but the first time I've seen these figures.They pointed to how AstraZeneca delivered 37 percent of the doses it promised to the U.K. but only 18 percent of the EU’s contract.
https://www.politico.eu/article/europea ... -vaccines/
Interesting. So in the UK then around 25 million doses so far delivered by Pfizer/Moderna (the enormous majority being Pfizer so far). I still don't really understand what the EU expects to acheive here. It's as if they think AZ can just switch a factory on on day 1 and have it churning out vaccine on day 2.BnM wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:43 pm37m UK doses, 54m EU Doses. Obviously well below expectations but the first time I've seen these figures.They pointed to how AstraZeneca delivered 37 percent of the doses it promised to the U.K. but only 18 percent of the EU’s contract.
https://www.politico.eu/article/europea ... -vaccines/
Paywalled link.TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:01 pm Dirty Krauts are again attacking our great British vaccine with their stupid sun dial pseudo science theories. Need to stop worrying about Cummings and remember our true enemies are the dirty Euros.
https://amp.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec0 ... ssion=true
All adults with one dose by the end of June seemed unlikely a few weeks ago but I think they will do it:
FT covid stuff is free. You'll just need to go to the covid section on the site and find the article.tc27 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:14 amPaywalled link.TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:01 pm Dirty Krauts are again attacking our great British vaccine with their stupid sun dial pseudo science theories. Need to stop worrying about Cummings and remember our true enemies are the dirty Euros.
https://amp.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec0 ... ssion=true
Presumably some doses administered at gunpoint?tc27 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:14 amPaywalled link.TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:01 pm Dirty Krauts are again attacking our great British vaccine with their stupid sun dial pseudo science theories. Need to stop worrying about Cummings and remember our true enemies are the dirty Euros.
https://amp.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec0 ... ssion=true
All adults with one dose by the end of June seemed unlikely a few weeks ago but I think they will do it:
For 1st doses 27th May.Raggs wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:09 amData from the latest week (20th May)Raggs wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:23 am From the data released a few days ago:
Age range 40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
% first dose 67.6% 77.9% 89.8% 95.5% 98.1% 94.6% 97.4% 100%* 94.9%
Not too bad, considering some 50+ are likely still lining up their first dose. Does seem to be a dropping in uptake though, hopefully it's just due to the length of time it's been open, rather than anything else.
Age range 40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
% 1st dose 77.1% 80.7% 90.3% 95.9% 98.4% 94.7% 97.4% 100%* 94.8%
Good to see the lower age ranges still climbing. With the increased transmission variants, we need good coverage, and we seem to be getting it.
40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
82.3% 82.6% 90.7% 96.3% 98.7% 94.8% 97.5% 100%* 94.7%
Nice to see those numbers rising. Obviously 2nd dose is important too, but I think that the majority of people who've had a first dose will go for a second. I wonder if theres something significant about that drop between the 50-54 and the 55+. It's quite a big drop, might just be the slow down?
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
A vague admission that you were wrong, finally.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
