So, coronavirus...

[tabascoboy]

Idiots on twitter, #EndThePandemic trending.

[Openside]

...............ah, I thought that was called virtue signalling

Erm it is

Got it, your original post was an amusing typo then??

Now I am confused, I have reread my post and I can't see the typo

[Paddington Bear]

Idiots on twitter, #EndThePandemic trending.

We could have done already with a proper border policy.

[Sandstorm]

Been invited to 3 different house parties on Sat 26 June - I guess everyone is expecting 21st June to be "back to normal" as promised and we can all go 2019 again.

[Paddington Bear]

Euros as well. No chance of a properly enforced delay

[SaintK]

Erm it is

Got it, your original post was an amusing typo then??

Now I am confused, I have reread my post and I can't see the typo

You must be letter blind

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:12 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:08 am
Out and out racism there.
I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Stop it Sandstorm you are killing his virtual signalling buzz!

[SaintK]

The UK regulator has approved the use of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine in children aged 12 to 15, potentially opening the way for a vaccination campaign in schoolchildren.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... year-olds

[Raggs]

The UK regulator has approved the use of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine in children aged 12 to 15, potentially opening the way for a vaccination campaign in schoolchildren.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... year-olds

Good news. Keep working on the adults, then get through the kids so they're at least 1st dosed before school starts up again after school hols.

[Sandstorm]

The UK regulator has approved the use of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine in children aged 12 to 15, potentially opening the way for a vaccination campaign in schoolchildren.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... year-olds

Good news. Keep working on the adults, then get through the kids so they're at least 1st dosed before school starts up again after school hols.

I know a few posters who are going to blow a gasket....

[dpedin]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... year-olds

Good news. Keep working on the adults, then get through the kids so they're at least 1st dosed before school starts up again after school hols.

I know a few posters who are going to blow a gasket....

u16s make up about 19% of the pop of UK. If we want to achieve herd immunity levels required ie 80-85%, then we need to immunise as many kids as possible otherwise schools will continue to be the super spreader centres for new variants and kids will ensure they take it back to their families and wider communities etc.

From initial analysis the new Indian/Delta variant is reported to be c50-60% more transmissible than the Kent variant and leads to more severe disease and possibly hospitalisation than other variants. PHS suggest it is twice as likely to lead to hospitalisation. Only 40% of total UK pop is fully vaccinated - 20% of adults have had one jab, 21% of adults have had none and 19% are u16 and therefore not vaccinated either. We know that one jab only gives about c35% protection from the new variant plus it takes 2-3 weeks after the 2nd jab to get full protection. It would be feckin madness to ease lock down later this month and expose half of the UK pop, that is c35m adults and kids, to a more virulent and dangerous disease. Even if they are younger and less likely to develop serious illness it would only take a very small % of them to require hospitalisation over a short period of time to overwhelm the NHS. As it is the NHS is very busy dealing with backlogs and patients whose illnesses have worsened due to not being treated during covid lock downs etc.

As I understand it the modelling still looks pretty scary if we ease lockdowns further, July/August is still likely peak for next wave unless we continue to be very, very cautious. However my worry is that the Blonde Bumblecunt will once again be driven by the politics and things like the G7 meeting will drive him to ease lock down rather than the data. Having failed to lock down early enough twice before and refusing to put border controls in place for India early enough I fear the twat is going to do the same thing again. If he does expect another wave of cases and increased hospitalisations and the threat of another lock down.

In Scotland I can see Wee Nic maintaining current lock down at least until end of June as that is when our schools finish for the summer. This will act as a natural break in transmission chains amongst school kids and would allow significantly more folk to be vaccinated. It would give us a good chance to avoid a large peak in cases and pressure on NHS again.

Fingers crossed!

[Biffer]

All of the conflicting evidence from different scientists and modellers is very confusing at the moment. Really seems that there's no consensus on the effect the new variant will have on an exit wave. So the politicians can't fall back on 'following the science' with this, because opinion is divided.

When that happens, precautionary principle should be brought to bear. Slow down until the evidence is clearer.

[tabascoboy]

[tabascoboy]

Seen talk of this "Nepal Variant", but it seems to be a simple mutation of the India/Delta variant, and by no means limited to Nepal.

Nepal does not do much genomic sequencing, but among the variants identified, there is at least one case of Delta variant, first found in India, that carries a mutation called K417N. The same variant has been found in numerous countries including the UK, Portugal, the US and India. In all, 91 cases have been logged in the GISAID (Global Initiative on Sharing All
Influenza Data) coronavirus database. — The Guardian

[Sandstorm]

It would be feckin madness to ease lock down later this month and expose half of the UK pop, that is c35m adults and kids, to a more virulent and dangerous disease.

Yeah, but freedom!!

[SaintK]

However my worry is that the Blonde Bumblecunt will once again be driven by the politics and things like the G7 meeting will drive him to ease lock down rather than the data. Having failed to lock down early enough twice before and refusing to put border controls in place for India early enough I fear the twat is going to do the same thing again. If he does expect another wave of cases and increased hospitalisations and the threat of another lock down.

He will also come under enormous pressure to continue the opening up of everything from his own party in the form of the Coronavirus Research Group who have already started to up their rhetoric and public comments. The Mail, Sun and Telegraph have become increasingly strident this week in their opposition to continuing any form of lockdown and will become even more so it it looks as if 21st June won't happen!
I think the one thing we can be sure about is that the blonde slug will be veering all over the place like a "demented shopping trolley!!!"

[Calculon]

Good news. Keep working on the adults, then get through the kids so they're at least 1st dosed before school starts up again after school hols.

I know a few posters who are going to blow a gasket....

u16s make up about 19% of the pop of UK. If we want to achieve herd immunity levels required ie 80-85%, then we need to immunise as many kids as possible otherwise schools will continue to be the super spreader centres for new variants and kids will ensure they take it back to their families and wider communities etc.

From initial analysis the new Indian/Delta variant is reported to be c50-60% more transmissible than the Kent variant and leads to more severe disease and possibly hospitalisation than other variants. PHS suggest it is twice as likely to lead to hospitalisation. Only 40% of total UK pop is fully vaccinated - 20% of adults have had one jab, 21% of adults have had none and 19% are u16 and therefore not vaccinated either. We know that one jab only gives about c35% protection from the new variant plus it takes 2-3 weeks after the 2nd jab to get full protection. It would be feckin madness to ease lock down later this month and expose half of the UK pop, that is c35m adults and kids, to a more virulent and dangerous disease. Even if they are younger and less likely to develop serious illness it would only take a very small % of them to require hospitalisation over a short period of time to overwhelm the NHS. As it is the NHS is very busy dealing with backlogs and patients whose illnesses have worsened due to not being treated during covid lock downs etc.

As I understand it the modelling still looks pretty scary if we ease lockdowns further, July/August is still likely peak for next wave unless we continue to be very, very cautious. However my worry is that the Blonde Bumblecunt will once again be driven by the politics and things like the G7 meeting will drive him to ease lock down rather than the data. Having failed to lock down early enough twice before and refusing to put border controls in place for India early enough I fear the twat is going to do the same thing again. If he does expect another wave of cases and increased hospitalisations and the threat of another lock down.

In Scotland I can see Wee Nic maintaining current lock down at least until end of June as that is when our schools finish for the summer. This will act as a natural break in transmission chains amongst school kids and would allow significantly more folk to be vaccinated. It would give us a good chance to avoid a large peak in cases and pressure on NHS again.

Fingers crossed!

I've posted this earlier

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538

Suggest that 75% of adults vaccined is enough to control the pandemic

[Raggs]

I know a few posters who are going to blow a gasket....

u16s make up about 19% of the pop of UK. If we want to achieve herd immunity levels required ie 80-85%, then we need to immunise as many kids as possible otherwise schools will continue to be the super spreader centres for new variants and kids will ensure they take it back to their families and wider communities etc.

From initial analysis the new Indian/Delta variant is reported to be c50-60% more transmissible than the Kent variant and leads to more severe disease and possibly hospitalisation than other variants. PHS suggest it is twice as likely to lead to hospitalisation. Only 40% of total UK pop is fully vaccinated - 20% of adults have had one jab, 21% of adults have had none and 19% are u16 and therefore not vaccinated either. We know that one jab only gives about c35% protection from the new variant plus it takes 2-3 weeks after the 2nd jab to get full protection. It would be feckin madness to ease lock down later this month and expose half of the UK pop, that is c35m adults and kids, to a more virulent and dangerous disease. Even if they are younger and less likely to develop serious illness it would only take a very small % of them to require hospitalisation over a short period of time to overwhelm the NHS. As it is the NHS is very busy dealing with backlogs and patients whose illnesses have worsened due to not being treated during covid lock downs etc.

As I understand it the modelling still looks pretty scary if we ease lockdowns further, July/August is still likely peak for next wave unless we continue to be very, very cautious. However my worry is that the Blonde Bumblecunt will once again be driven by the politics and things like the G7 meeting will drive him to ease lock down rather than the data. Having failed to lock down early enough twice before and refusing to put border controls in place for India early enough I fear the twat is going to do the same thing again. If he does expect another wave of cases and increased hospitalisations and the threat of another lock down.

In Scotland I can see Wee Nic maintaining current lock down at least until end of June as that is when our schools finish for the summer. This will act as a natural break in transmission chains amongst school kids and would allow significantly more folk to be vaccinated. It would give us a good chance to avoid a large peak in cases and pressure on NHS again.

Fingers crossed!

I've posted this earlier

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538

Suggest that 75% of adults vaccined is enough to control the pandemic

The question is then of variants though. British variant spreads faster than most, Indian variant faster still. Each would require a higher percentage of the population to be vaccinated. Being able to vaccinate 12+ year olds is a huge step forward, especially as those age groups seem to be the ones currently increasing to a big degree.

[Biffer]

I know a few posters who are going to blow a gasket....

u16s make up about 19% of the pop of UK. If we want to achieve herd immunity levels required ie 80-85%, then we need to immunise as many kids as possible otherwise schools will continue to be the super spreader centres for new variants and kids will ensure they take it back to their families and wider communities etc.

From initial analysis the new Indian/Delta variant is reported to be c50-60% more transmissible than the Kent variant and leads to more severe disease and possibly hospitalisation than other variants. PHS suggest it is twice as likely to lead to hospitalisation. Only 40% of total UK pop is fully vaccinated - 20% of adults have had one jab, 21% of adults have had none and 19% are u16 and therefore not vaccinated either. We know that one jab only gives about c35% protection from the new variant plus it takes 2-3 weeks after the 2nd jab to get full protection. It would be feckin madness to ease lock down later this month and expose half of the UK pop, that is c35m adults and kids, to a more virulent and dangerous disease. Even if they are younger and less likely to develop serious illness it would only take a very small % of them to require hospitalisation over a short period of time to overwhelm the NHS. As it is the NHS is very busy dealing with backlogs and patients whose illnesses have worsened due to not being treated during covid lock downs etc.

As I understand it the modelling still looks pretty scary if we ease lockdowns further, July/August is still likely peak for next wave unless we continue to be very, very cautious. However my worry is that the Blonde Bumblecunt will once again be driven by the politics and things like the G7 meeting will drive him to ease lock down rather than the data. Having failed to lock down early enough twice before and refusing to put border controls in place for India early enough I fear the twat is going to do the same thing again. If he does expect another wave of cases and increased hospitalisations and the threat of another lock down.

In Scotland I can see Wee Nic maintaining current lock down at least until end of June as that is when our schools finish for the summer. This will act as a natural break in transmission chains amongst school kids and would allow significantly more folk to be vaccinated. It would give us a good chance to avoid a large peak in cases and pressure on NHS again.

Fingers crossed!

I've posted this earlier

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538

Suggest that 75% of adults vaccinated is enough to control the pandemic

This is one of the key worries about the Delta variant. If it's more transmissible, that means the R0 number goes up. The percentage you need vaccinated to control the pandemic is related to R0

Fraction of population immune required = 1 - 1/R0

So originally, with an R0 of 3, that was 1-1/3=0.67 i.e. about 67%

If this is 50% more transmissive, it could put R0 up to 4.5, 1-1/4.5= 0.7777, so 78% of the population.

And tbh you'd want to get a bit higher than the bare level, so 75% would be great for the original virus, but 80%+ is what you want if the new variant is that much more transmissible.

19% of the UK population is under 18, so in order to get to those levels we need to start vaxxing teenagers.

[tabascoboy]

Hard to believe sometimes that professional people can advocate this shit.

UK nurse struck off over Covid conspiracy theories

Anti-vaccine activist Kate Shemirani has been struck off the nursing register for promoting conspiracy theories about coronavirus.

She has been banned from practising for at least five years “on both public protection and public interest grounds” by the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC).

At a fitness to practise hearing, the panel concluded that Ms Shemirani “used her nursing status as a way of endorsing her own distorted propaganda” on social media and at public events.

It also highlighted her “deeply offensive” remarks about nurses and doctors being part of a “genocide”.

Ms Shemirani has gathered tens of thousands of followers on social media with her false claims – including denying coronavirus exists, blaming the symptoms of Covid-19 on 5G radio waves and drawing parallels between the National Health Service and Nazi Germany.

Her son Sebastian, who I interviewed last year, raised concerns about the damaging impact of her views on public health and their own relationship.

[Oxbow]

Just had my second jab, they're making me wait 15 minutes this time, damn them.

[Calculon]

u16s make up about 19% of the pop of UK. If we want to achieve herd immunity levels required ie 80-85%, then we need to immunise as many kids as possible otherwise schools will continue to be the super spreader centres for new variants and kids will ensure they take it back to their families and wider communities etc.

From initial analysis the new Indian/Delta variant is reported to be c50-60% more transmissible than the Kent variant and leads to more severe disease and possibly hospitalisation than other variants. PHS suggest it is twice as likely to lead to hospitalisation. Only 40% of total UK pop is fully vaccinated - 20% of adults have had one jab, 21% of adults have had none and 19% are u16 and therefore not vaccinated either. We know that one jab only gives about c35% protection from the new variant plus it takes 2-3 weeks after the 2nd jab to get full protection. It would be feckin madness to ease lock down later this month and expose half of the UK pop, that is c35m adults and kids, to a more virulent and dangerous disease. Even if they are younger and less likely to develop serious illness it would only take a very small % of them to require hospitalisation over a short period of time to overwhelm the NHS. As it is the NHS is very busy dealing with backlogs and patients whose illnesses have worsened due to not being treated during covid lock downs etc.

As I understand it the modelling still looks pretty scary if we ease lockdowns further, July/August is still likely peak for next wave unless we continue to be very, very cautious. However my worry is that the Blonde Bumblecunt will once again be driven by the politics and things like the G7 meeting will drive him to ease lock down rather than the data. Having failed to lock down early enough twice before and refusing to put border controls in place for India early enough I fear the twat is going to do the same thing again. If he does expect another wave of cases and increased hospitalisations and the threat of another lock down.

In Scotland I can see Wee Nic maintaining current lock down at least until end of June as that is when our schools finish for the summer. This will act as a natural break in transmission chains amongst school kids and would allow significantly more folk to be vaccinated. It would give us a good chance to avoid a large peak in cases and pressure on NHS again.

Fingers crossed!

I've posted this earlier

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538

Suggest that 75% of adults vaccinated is enough to control the pandemic

This is one of the key worries about the Delta variant. If it's more transmissible, that means the R0 number goes up. The percentage you need vaccinated to control the pandemic is related to R0

Fraction of population immune required = 1 - 1/R0

So originally, with an R0 of 3, that was 1-1/3=0.67 i.e. about 67%

If this is 50% more transmissive, it could put R0 up to 4.5, 1-1/4.5= 0.7777, so 78% of the population.

And tbh you'd want to get a bit higher than the bare level, so 75% would be great for the original virus, but 80%+ is what you want if the new variant is that much more transmissible.

19% of the UK population is under 18, so in order to get to those levels we need to start vaxxing teenagers.

Sure, this isn’t an exact science since so many variables are not 100% determined. The vaccine used could also be a significant factor, but I doubt AZ and Pfizer are less effective than CoronaVac used in this trail. Also, this trail was in a densely populated town as compared to a whole country. The variant here was probably mostly the Gamma and I don’t think there is any conclusive data comparing it to the Delta variant when it comes to transmissibility.

Ultimately opening the country up is a political decision and if hospitalization and deaths remain low, no matter what the case numbers, there will be overwhelming pressure to open up, even more so if other countries are doing so.

[Slick]

Aaaaaand Gove isolating after going to Portugal for the football and being pinged.

It really is getting into “you couldn’t make it up” territory

[tabascoboy]

Aaaaaand Gove isolating after going to Portugal for the football and being pinged.

It really is getting into “you couldn’t make it up” territory

Gov(e)idiot?

[Biffer]

I know people keep shouting about accelerating the rate of vaccination, so this might be of some interest or encouragement

The first half billion doses of vaccine took 113 days to deliver
The second half billion took 30 days
The third half billion took 23 days
The fourth half billion took 16 days.

Two billionth dose delivered on 2nd June.

[Sandstorm]

I know people keep shouting about accelerating the rate of vaccination, so this might be of some interest or encouragement

The first half billion doses of vaccine took 113 days to deliver
The second half billion took 30 days
The third half billion took 23 days
The fourth half billion took 16 days.

How many caused blood clots?

[Biffer]

I know people keep shouting about accelerating the rate of vaccination, so this might be of some interest or encouragement

The first half billion doses of vaccine took 113 days to deliver
The second half billion took 30 days
The third half billion took 23 days
The fourth half billion took 16 days.

How many caused blood clots?

Less than one in 100,000 of the AZ. Which is probably about a fifth of the total. Which would be a few thousand.

[Sandstorm]

I know people keep shouting about accelerating the rate of vaccination, so this might be of some interest or encouragement

The first half billion doses of vaccine took 113 days to deliver
The second half billion took 30 days
The third half billion took 23 days
The fourth half billion took 16 days.

How many caused blood clots?

Less than one in 100,000 of the AZ. Which is probably about a fifth of the total. Which would be a few thousand.

So 2k out of 2 billion? Probably the safest set of new vaccines in a generation?

[tabascoboy]

Yes - this is clearly the priority here

The Sun reports that the prime minister has been urged to go ahead with the planned easing of restrictions "for the sake of our boozers and footie aces". Ahead of the European Championships, George Cohen - who was part of England's World Cup-winning side in 1966 - tells the paper: "Our boys need those fans in pubs and stadiums."

[Lemoentjie]

I don't really see the problem. If SA had similar vaccination level to the UK, I would want no restrictions. Anyone vulnerable has been offered a vaccine. If some people are still worried, they can continue to stay at home/wear a mask/use essential oils.

[fishfoodie]

I don't really see the problem. If SA had similar vaccination level to the UK, I would want no restrictions. Anyone vulnerable has been offered a vaccine. If some people are still worried, they can continue to stay at home/wear a mask/use essential oils.

The problem is that, every time the Government has relied on peoples, "Common Sense"; i.e. totally abrogated their own responsibility; it's turned to shit in record time; because people behave like arseholes.

[Tichtheid]

I don't really see the problem. If SA had similar vaccination level to the UK, I would want no restrictions. Anyone vulnerable has been offered a vaccine. If some people are still worried, they can continue to stay at home/wear a mask/use essential oils.

The problem is that, every time the Government has relied on peoples, "Common Sense"; i.e. totally abrogated their own responsibility; it's turned to shit in record time; because people behave like arseholes.

The Mail carried a headline the other day, “Nepal variant threat to our holidays”

Whether they set or reflect the views of their readership, there are a lot of people out there who think that their own indulgences are more important than keeping a lid on this virus.

[Raggs]

Everyone is vulnerable to this illness to some degree. It's not like if you're under 55 and relatively healthy you're safe. There are young athletes with heart damage, previously healthy people now on transplant lists due to their organs being trashed etc.

That doesn't even touch on the more minor, but still life effecting long term effects that are showing up.

We absolutely still need restrictions in place until vaccination can do all the work, and that will mean children will need to be vaccinated too.

[Raggs]

From the data released a few days ago:

Age range 40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
% first dose 67.6% 77.9% 89.8% 95.5% 98.1% 94.6% 97.4% 100%* 94.9%

Not too bad, considering some 50+ are likely still lining up their first dose. Does seem to be a dropping in uptake though, hopefully it's just due to the length of time it's been open, rather than anything else.

Data from the latest week (20th May)

Age range 40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
% 1st dose 77.1% 80.7% 90.3% 95.9% 98.4% 94.7% 97.4% 100%* 94.8%

Good to see the lower age ranges still climbing. With the increased transmission variants, we need good coverage, and we seem to be getting it.

For 1st doses 27th May.
40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
82.3% 82.6% 90.7% 96.3% 98.7% 94.8% 97.5% 100%* 94.7%

Nice to see those numbers rising. Obviously 2nd dose is important too, but I think that the majority of people who've had a first dose will go for a second. I wonder if theres something significant about that drop between the 50-54 and the 55+. It's quite a big drop, might just be the slow down?

3rd of June 1st dose
30-34 35-39 40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
47.4% 68.3% 84.9% 83.8% 91.2% 96.9% 99.3% 95.0% 97.5% 100%* 94.6%

40 year olds take up doesn't seem to be going up too quickly now (maybe slower week and open to others too), but still going up which is important. Younger age groups now included, hopefully see them shooting up too.

[Openside]

Got it, your original post was an amusing typo then??

Now I am confused, I have reread my post and I can't see the typo

You must be letter blind

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:12 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:08 am
Out and out racism there.
I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Stop it Sandstorm you are killing his virtual signalling buzz!

Where is theTypo? (I accept I might be losing the plot)

[SaintK]

Now I am confused, I have reread my post and I can't see the typo

You must be letter blind

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:12 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:08 am
Out and out racism there.
I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Stop it Sandstorm you are killing his virtual signalling buzz!

Where is theTypo? (I accept I might be losing the plot)

I thought it was amusing when you first posted it. Now I'm losing the will to live

[Raggs]

Now I am confused, I have reread my post and I can't see the typo

You must be letter blind

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:12 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:08 am
Out and out racism there.
I'm calling out all small business owners, not just the brown ones. You loon.
Stop it Sandstorm you are killing his virtual signalling buzz!

Where is theTypo? (I accept I might be losing the plot)

You wrote "virtual" instead of "virtue".

[Lemoentjie]

I don't really see the problem. If SA had similar vaccination level to the UK, I would want no restrictions. Anyone vulnerable has been offered a vaccine. If some people are still worried, they can continue to stay at home/wear a mask/use essential oils.

The problem is that, every time the Government has relied on peoples, "Common Sense"; i.e. totally abrogated their own responsibility; it's turned to shit in record time; because people behave like arseholes.

Obviously no Government would do this, but anyone who has been offered a vaccine but refused it should be denied Covid-related medical attention. That's the only way to make idiots learn.

When there are no vaccines and the pandemic is new, the burden is on Governments to protect their citizens. When there are vaccines and the pandemic is better understood, the burden should be on citizens to protect themselves.

[Sandstorm]

I don't really see the problem. If SA had similar vaccination level to the UK, I would want no restrictions. Anyone vulnerable has been offered a vaccine. If some people are still worried, they can continue to stay at home/wear a mask/use essential oils.

The problem is that, every time the Government has relied on peoples, "Common Sense"; i.e. totally abrogated their own responsibility; it's turned to shit in record time; because people behave like arseholes.

Obviously no Government would do this, but anyone who has been offered a vaccine but refused it should be denied Covid-related medical attention. That's the only way to make idiots learn.

When there are no vaccines and the pandemic is new, the burden is on Governments to protect their citizens. When there are vaccines and the pandemic is better understood, the burden should be on citizens to protect themselves.

You can’t refuse treatment, but you could charge for it. £1000 a day should get the moron’s attention.

[Calculon]

Everyone is vulnerable to this illness to some degree. It's not like if you're under 55 and relatively healthy you're safe. There are young athletes with heart damage, previously healthy people now on transplant lists due to their organs being trashed etc.

That doesn't even touch on the more minor, but still life effecting long term effects that are showing up.

We absolutely still need restrictions in place until vaccination can do all the work, and that will mean children will need to be vaccinated too.

IIRC figures from the US shows that 0.006% of deaths in children, so those under age of 18, were due to covid19. This would include the immunocompromised. There are many diseases more deadly for children than covid19. It's a bit ethically suspect to vaccinate children when old people in other countries remain unvaccinated due to a shortage of vaccines.

[Biffer]

You must be letter blind

Where is theTypo? (I accept I might be losing the plot)

You wrote "virtual" instead of "virtue".

OS probably thinks it genuinely is meant to be virtual signalling.