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Stemmed the flow a bit, but still not looking great. Tom West must surely get another chance with England this summer, he's becoming a seriously destructive scrummager.

Edit - typed far too soon. Irish grab a third.
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Nice quiet, uncontroversial ending at Welford Rd.
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Interesting end to the Leicester v Bristol match. The usual suspects will blame the ref.
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John Afoa is Schrodinger’s prop: tactical AND injured as a sub.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:32 pm Switching over to Wasps - Irish now, but Tigers with a score on 65 minutes to make the last 15 very interesting.
Was worth sticking with it to see Wigglesworth and Genge loose it in 89th minute and hear a pissed off tigers crowd again.
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Kawazaki wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:57 pm Interesting end to the Leicester v Bristol match. The usual suspects will blame the ref.
Afoa destroyed Genge in that scrum. Kay is probably right that the ball was illegally grabbed by Uren but by that point Genge was practically facing his own corner flag. Penalty to Bristol all day long.

VERY funny ending.
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Foley completely bottles a clear red card decision. Hepetema straight up shoulders him in the face as part of a tackle and he gets a yellow because it's 'not a high degree of danger'. Arrant bullshit.
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Shades of monty python with Steve Borthwick giving it “You bloody liar!” at Pat Lam!
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:10 pm Foley completely bottles a clear red card decision. Hepetema straight up shoulders him in the face as part of a tackle and he gets a yellow because it's 'not a high degree of danger'. Arrant bullshit.
Sounds like the one Radradra got away with against Sale, just because the player managed to bounce through.
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An unexpectedly one-sided pumping at Brentford so far. irish post their 5th try just before the break.
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Irish were playing like demons in the first half. Wasps hoping to get something out of it now though.
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Yep, two tries of our own and seemingly having been given a rocket by Blackett at half time and the gap is down to 13 with 25 to play.
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Ridiculous piece of cheating aside it was enjoyable watching that last scrum and Afoa having Genge on toast. :lol:
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Nice try from Willis junior, but Umaga's missed conversions could have had us within 4 rather than 8...
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Bassett deserves an England cap more than any other player. He's Jonny May with a brain
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Kawazaki wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:13 pm Bassett deserves an England cap more than any other player. He's Jonny May with a brain
Won't hear me argue. Consistently one of our best players and a very good scoring rate.
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He's way slower than May, mind.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:17 pm He's way slower than May, mind.
Don't think either of them have the pace they used to.
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Raggs wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:18 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:17 pm He's way slower than May, mind.
Don't think either of them have the pace they used to.
May is still very rapid. Bassett got hauled in pretty easily a few times in recent weeks.

Excellent club player though, fantastic servant for wasps.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:22 pm
Raggs wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:18 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:17 pm He's way slower than May, mind.
Don't think either of them have the pace they used to.
May is still very rapid. Bassett got hauled in pretty easily a few times in recent weeks.

Excellent club player though, fantastic servant for wasps.
He got hauled in by Sleightholme, who's very rapid. Also, any winger is slower with the ball than without. Wonder who the quickest English winger would be now, don't think it's May any more.
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Think he's in touch.
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Irish doing their best to hand it to us with their discipline.

Watson's in touch for me.
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Right call in my mind. Painful as it is.
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Did Dan Norton ever play for LI?

He was signed last year I think?
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Hat trick try for Willis jr. seals it!

Hell of a second half for Wasps.
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We've now lost three of the last five games on the last play of the game.

I hate rugby.
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Margin__Walker wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:43 pm We've now lost three of the last five games on the last play of the game.

I hate rugby.
We had a run of losing in the last 3 minutes, that was 6 games out of 7 (a couple of games ago that stat was put out). Saints game felt similar too.
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Saints v Exeter, Ribbans sent off for a high tackle, game ruined. Some consistency would be nice, worse than that has been let go recently.
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Oxbow wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:22 pm Saints v Exeter, Ribbans sent off for a high tackle, game ruined. Some consistency would be nice, worse than that has been let go recently.
I was looking at it wondering how it was any different to the one Foley gave a yellow for yesterday in Wasps - Irish; always high and shoulder to the face, so the only variable is one official willing to decide on seemingly no basis that the incident is 'low danger' whatever the fuck that means in the context of being shouldered in the face by a 17 - 20 stone player.
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Oxbow wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:22 pm Saints v Exeter, Ribbans sent off for a high tackle, game ruined. Some consistency would be nice, worse than that has been let go recently.
How exactly is the game ruined? And I'm almost always going to point to the fact that if anyone should be blamed for "ruining" the game, it's the guy who got the card, not the person giving it.
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Raggs wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:32 pm
Oxbow wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:22 pm Saints v Exeter, Ribbans sent off for a high tackle, game ruined. Some consistency would be nice, worse than that has been let go recently.
How exactly is the game ruined? And I'm almost always going to point to the fact that if anyone should be blamed for "ruining" the game, it's the guy who got the card, not the person giving it.
You're reading stuff I never said. I didn't say the card wasn't deserved, or that the referee was to blame. I pointed out that there was often little consistency with those sort of tackles. And ruined, for me, because as a Saints fan who wasn't looking forward to 65 or whatever minutes with 14 men against Exeter. As it is we're doing alright so far.
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Hell of a 25 minutes from Saints after the red card. Exeter look all at sea and shell shocked at being that comprehensively outplayed.
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That's the best 40 minutes I've seen from Saints for a long, long time. Whether we can do it for another 40 remains to be seen.
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Oxbow wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:37 pm
Raggs wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:32 pm
Oxbow wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:22 pm Saints v Exeter, Ribbans sent off for a high tackle, game ruined. Some consistency would be nice, worse than that has been let go recently.
How exactly is the game ruined? And I'm almost always going to point to the fact that if anyone should be blamed for "ruining" the game, it's the guy who got the card, not the person giving it.
You're reading stuff I never said. I didn't say the card wasn't deserved, or that the referee was to blame. I pointed out that there was often little consistency with those sort of tackles. And ruined, for me, because as a Saints fan who wasn't looking forward to 65 or whatever minutes with 14 men against Exeter. As it is we're doing alright so far.
Quite!
It also felt like the TMO was always looking to a red. Not sure why the fact that LC-D was always bending downwards to catch a pass that was waist high at best was not even mentioned in mitigation.
Hope this hasn’t buggered Ribbans chances of a cap this summer. He’s one of the form locks at the moment
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Oof, tough finish for Saints. Exeter were always going to come back at them, but you thought they might just have snuck it wiht that final move.

They sent it wide to early I think and that led to the rather hurried pass Freeman had to desperately try and rescue from going into touch and which ultimately went forward in his attempt.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:55 pm Oof, tough finish for Saints. Exeter were always going to come back at them, but you thought they might just have snuck it wiht that final move.

They sent it wide to early I think and that led to the rather hurried pass Freeman had to desperately try and rescue from going into touch and which ultimately went forward in his attempt.
Yep, gutsy from Saints though!
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Gutted Saints lost that, really. Real gutsy effort and that first half was amazing, but they should probably lay off the half time methadone sandwiches...

Blatant red, though. A really bad one.

Hope all the injured players are okay.
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So Jones has confirmed that Ed Robinson will continue as Assistant Coach for attack for the summer matches and that Alex Codling has been appointed as Assistant Forwards Coach with particular responsibility for lineout
Hmmm, not particularly inspiring but cheap I expect!!!
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Codling is a serial club-hopper who by all accounts hated Gustard's confrontational style, so christ knows how he's going to get along with Eddie
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JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:55 pm Codling is a serial club-hopper who by all accounts hated Gustard's confrontational style, so christ knows how he's going to get along with Eddie
Mate of mine knows him well and yes he struggled with Gustard's style as did a lot of players and staff it transpires. Not sure why he suddenly left Ealing after rejoining them from Quins.
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