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Certainties, probables, possibles and wild cards: Who will Ian Foster name in the first All Blacks squad of the year?

19 June 2021, 4:31pm
By Tom Vinicombe


With just six tests played last year due to the impacts of the global pandemic, 2021 presents itself as an opportunity for Foster to really start afresh and begin the rebuild following a third-place finish at the 2019 Rugby World Cup in Japan.

36 men are set to be included in Monday's squad - but a late string of injuries to Ofa Tu'ungafasi and Anton Lienert-Brown have complicated things while a number of men are nearing a return from injury but might be lacking match fitness. As such, don't be surprised if Foster does decide to increase that number up a little bit and bring in a few extra men to cover some of the temporarily walking wounded.

Which of New Zealand's players are guaranteed selection, who will be close to the squad but perhaps not be feeling certain of their selection, and who could be an outside chance of representing the All Blacks in their upcoming series with Tonga and Fiji?

Hookers

Guaranteed: Codie Taylor, Dane Coles

Probable: Asafo Aumua

Possible: Samisoni Taukei'aho

Foster will likely stick with the same trio that was used in 2020 but expect Hurricanes tyro Asafo Aumua to clock up considerably more miles this year as the All Blacks look to transition to a future without Dane Coles.

Chiefs rake Samisoni Taukei'aho is one of the most dynamic ball carriers in New Zealand but will likely still be considered too much of a liability at lineout time.



Props

Guaranteed: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Tyrel Lomax

Probable: Angus Ta'avao, George Bower

Possible: Joe Moody, Alex Hodgman, Aidan Ross, Ethan de Groot

Here's where things get interesting. Joe Moody and Ofa Tuungafasi, last year's first-choice pairing, are likely to both be unavailable for the majority of the series which might cause a few headaches for Foster and co. Neither Karl Tu'inukuafe nor Tyrel Lomax are complete packages but will likely retain their spots thanks to an absence of options while Angus Ta'avao could earn a re-call, given there aren't any tighthead props banging down the selection door right now.

George Bower is all but a certainty to take over from Moody in much the same way as he has done for the Crusaders this year while it's a toss between Alex Hodgman, Aidan Ross and Ethan de Groot for the final loosehead spot. Ross has been the most consistent throughout the season while Hodgman earned his All Blacks debut last year but hasn't necessarily kicked on this season. 22-year-old de Groot probably has the highest ceiling but was monstered by Nepo Laulala in the Trans-Tasman final.


Locks

Guaranteed: Samuel Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipulotu, Brodie Retallick

Probable: Tupou Vaa'i

Possible: Mitchell Dunshea

The All Blacks have four experienced second-rowers that will likely all be called upon to clock up some minutes in July and it's likely they'll opt for a fifth - simply because it would be impossible to leave out last year's big mover, Tupou Vaa'i, after a storming second season with the Chiefs.

Mitchell Dunshea is the next cab off the ranks, cementing himself ahead of Quinten Strange at the Crusaders, while Pari Pari Parkinson will turn out for the Maori All Blacks after making his return from injury for the Highlanders this year. Sam Darry at the Blues could be one for the future.


Loose forwards

Guaranteed: Dalton Papalii, Hoskins Sotutu

Probable: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizell, Akira Ioane, Luke Jacobson

Possible: Du'Plessis Kirifi, Tom Robinson, Ethan Blackadder, Cullen Grace

Like the front row, injuries in the loose forwards could force Foster to make a few changes for July. Captain Sam Cane will certainly be absent while Shannon Frizell is nearing a return to fitness - but won't have any opportunities to play before the upcoming tests. Ardie Savea, meanwhile, limped off against the Reds last weekend but is a sure thing if fit.

Dalton Papalii and Hoskins Sotutu have been superb for the Blues this year and should both get some good opportunities for the All Blacks this season while Akira Ioane's absence from the Maori squad seemingly assures his place in the national team.

After missing out in 2020 thanks to another injury-affected season, Luke Jacobson has stormed back into action this year and will likely go to war with Sotutu for the No 8 jersey.

If the All Blacks want a third openside flanker or need a replacement for Savea, Du'Plessis Kirifi will likely get the nod while the trio of Tom Robinson, Ethan Blackadder and Cullen Grace are vying for one spot in the squad. Robinson has versatility, Blackadder has form and Grace is the incumbent.


Halfbacks

Guaranteed: Aaron Smith, Brad Weber

Probable: N/A

Possible: TJ Perenara, Finlay Christie, Mitchell Drummond, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi

Fairly straightforward here. Aaron Smith and Brad Weber are the incumbents and TJ Perenara isn't eligible for selection - but dispensation could be granted at the last moment.

Assuming Perenara isn't a goer, then Finlay Christie is the next cab off the ranks and pipped Mitchell Drummond for the bench spot in the South team in last year's North v South clash. Drummond, however, has represented the All Blacks once before.

Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi hasn't had a great year, playing negligible minutes for the Chiefs, but maybe the selectors still want to persist with the 26-year-old? Was he overlooked by Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan for the Maori All Blacks altogether, in favour of Bryn Hall and Sam Nock, or has he been called into the All Blacks?


First fives

Guaranteed: Richie Mo'unga, Beauden Barrett

Probable: N/A

Possible: N/A

Richie Mo'unga and Beauden Barrett will fight for the starting flyhalf berth over the coming months and with Damian McKenzie also a certainty to make the squad, there's no need for a third No 10 option - especially given Otere Black is heading offshore and none of the other candidates have set the world alight.


Centres

Guaranteed: Rieko Ioane

Probable: Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili

Possible: Braydon Ennor, Peter Umaga-Jensen, Quinn Tupaea, Ngani Laumape

Anton Lienert-Brown will be unavailable for at least some of the July series but Foster and his fellow selectors may keep the Chiefs talisman in the squad regardless. Rieko Ioane has continued to play in the midfield for the Blues and is the only real certainty for selection while David Havili is nursing a small injury but will likely get the call-up if fit.

Ngani Laumape is heading offshore - right when a spot at No 12 beckons for the departing Hurricane thanks to the absences of Lienert-Brown and Jack Goodhue.

Braydon Ennor has made limited appearances for the Crusaders since returning from injury but will likely be persevered with while Peter Umaga-Jensen earned a solitary cap last year but has been used primarily off the bench for the Hurricanes. Quinn Tupaea isn't up to international standard yet but with so many options injured or undercooked, maybe he's the man for the job?


Outside backs

Guaranteed: Jordie Barrett, Damian McKenzie, Will Jordan, Sevu Reece

Probable: Leicester Fainga'anuku

Possible: George Bridge, Salesi Rayasi, Jona Nareki

Wild card: Zarn Sullivan

With Caleb Clarke likely to return next year (or possibly later in the season), the All Blacks won't go too ham with their outside back selections.

Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan and Damian McKenzie can all play fullback (as can Beauden Barrett and David Havili), but the former two might also find themselves clocking up some minutes on the wings. Leicester Fainga'anuku but be close to a certainty thanks to his solid performance on the wing and in the midfield for the Crusaders.

George Bridge is nearing full fitness which could see him slot straight back onto the left wing in Clarke's absences. Otherwise, it's likely that one of Jona Nareki or Salesi Rayasi will get the call-up - but Foster may not deem the young wings ready for the international stage just yet.

What about Blues fullback Zarn Sullivan? The 20-year-old somewhat surprisingly wasn't named in the Maori All Blacks squad for their upcoming series with Samoa. Dan Carter, Aaron Cruden and Beauden Barrett were all 21 when they earned their first caps for New Zealand so it wouldn't be completely out of the question for Sullivan to follow a similar trajectory.



Likely 36-man All Blacks squad

Hookers: Codie Taylor, Dane Coles, Asafo Aumua

Props: Karl Tu'inukuafe, George Bower, Aidan Ross, Nepo Laulala, Tyrel Lomax, Angus Ta'avao

Locks: Samuel Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipulotu, Tupou Vaa'i

Loose forwards: Akira Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Hoskins Sotutu, Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackadder, Ardie Savea/Du'Plessis Kirifi, Shannon Frizell/Tom Robinson,

Halfbacks: Aaron Smith, Brad Weber, TJ Perenara/Finlay Christie

First fives: Richie Mo'unga, Beauden Barrett

Midfield: Rieko Ioane, David Havili, Braydon Ennor, Anton Lienert-Brown/Peter Umaga-Jensen

Outside backs: Jordie Barrett, Damian McKenzie, Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, George Bridge, Jona Nareki
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Our centre position looking pretty exposed in terms of international credentials.

Who would have thought we would be talking Havili and Ioane as genuine starting candidates for the ABs , rewinding your minds.

No lumpy, goodhue, ALB - just like that.
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Ymx wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:58 am Our centre position looking pretty exposed in terms of international credentials.

Who would have thought we would be talking Havili and Ioane as genuine starting candidates for the ABs , rewinding your minds.

No lumpy, goodhue, ALB - just like that.
Yep. we're looking very light in the midfield right now.

I know Proctor's been named in the Maori squad, but I'd like to see him get a run with the ABs given his fine Supe TT form. Chuck Quinn Tupaea in the deep end as well I reckon. And Zarn Sullivan.
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I’m embarrassingly out of touch. How does BB qualify for inclusion? Was it being in training with the Blues last week?
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Having said that. It means BBBR also qualifies, be great to have him back !!!
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A fully refreshed, hungry BBBR is a huge bonus. We have plenty of depth at lock right now.
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Jesus, Paripari Parkinson is an absolutely daft exclusion from that list.

He should leapfrog the Maori All Black team straight into the Test line up.
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FujiKiwi wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:30 am Jesus, Paripari Parkinson is an absolutely daft exclusion from that list.

He should leapfrog the Maori All Black team straight into the Test line up.
Who would be your other ABs locks, Fuji?
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Gumboot wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:50 am
FujiKiwi wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:30 am Jesus, Paripari Parkinson is an absolutely daft exclusion from that list.

He should leapfrog the Maori All Black team straight into the Test line up.
Who would be your other ABs locks, Fuji?
Brodie and Sam to start. Paripari on the bench. Tupou Vai’i next cab off the rank.

I wouldn’t have Patrick Tuipolotu near the ABs again. Just too inconsistent. There are much better players coming through.
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The 36-strong squad is as follows:

(With age, Sky Super Rugby club, provincial union and Test caps in brackets. New All Blacks are in bold):

Forwards
Asafo Aumua (24, Hurricanes / Wellington, 1)
Dane Coles (34, Hurricanes / Wellington, 74)
Codie Taylor (30, Crusaders / Canterbury, 56)
George Bower (29, Crusaders / Otago, uncapped)
Ethan de Groot (22, Highlanders / Southland, new cap)
Nepo Laulala (29, Blues / Counties Manukau, 29)
Tyrel Lomax (25, Hurricanes / Tasman, 6)
Angus Ta’avao (31, Chiefs / Auckland, 14)
Karl Tu’inukuafe (28, Blues / North Harbour, 17)
Scott Barrett (27, Crusaders / Taranaki, 36)
Brodie Retallick (30, Chiefs / Hawke’s Bay, 81)
Patrick Tuipulotu (28, Blues / Auckland, 35)
Tupou Vaa’i (21, Chiefs / Taranaki, 4)
Samuel Whitelock (32, Crusaders / Canterbury, 122) – captain
Ethan Blackadder (26, Crusaders / Tasman, new cap)
Shannon Frizell (27, Highlanders / Tasman, 13)
Akira Ioane (26, Blues / Auckland, 2)
Luke Jacobson (24, Chiefs / Waikato, 2)
Dalton Papalii (23, Blues / Counties Manukau, 4)
Ardie Savea (27, Hurricanes / Wellington, 49)
Hoskins Sotutu (22, Blues / Counties Manukau, 5)


Backs
Finlay Christie (25, Blues / Tasman, new cap)
Aaron Smith (32, Highlanders / Manawatu, 97)
Brad Weber (30, Chiefs / Hawke’s Bay, 7)
Beauden Barrett (30, Blues / Taranaki, 88)
Richie Mo’unga (27, Crusaders / Canterbury, 22)
Braydon Ennor (23, Crusaders / Canterbury, 1)
David Havili (26, Crusaders / Tasman, 3)
Rieko Ioane (24, Blues / Auckland, 33)
Anton Lienert-Brown (26, Chiefs / Waikato, 49)
Quinn Tupaea (22, Chiefs / Waikato, new cap)
Jordie Barrett (24, Hurricanes / Taranaki, 23)
George Bridge (26, Crusaders / Canterbury, 10)
Will Jordan (22, Crusaders / Tasman, 2)
Damian McKenzie (26, Chiefs / Waikato, 27)
Sevu Reece (23, Crusaders / Tasman, 8)
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Happy for the four newbies. Delighted that they're taking a punt on Tupaea as a specialist 12 - he's a real talent. Christie and Blackadder deserve their chances on form. I think de Groot's possibly a bit lucky after having such a torrid time against Nepo in the Final, but glad he made the cut as he's more dynamic than Ross.
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Unlucky:
Nareki
Fainga'anuku (probably the most)
Drummond
Grace
Robinson
Dunshea
Parkinson
Hodgman
Taukei'aho

Not so many who could be said to be fortunate, but there are a few:
Lomax
Ta'avao
Tuipulotu
Ennor

Plus B Barrett and Retallick...
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So who are the unlucky ones to miss out?

I thought Hodgman played really well on Saturday, but he's been short of rugby lately and probably left his run too late. Not really surprised Fainga'anuku didn't make it - didn't think he ever really lived up to his hype. A bit one-dimensional imo, lacking the acceleration of a top wing and the passing game of a top centre.
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Finlay Christie?? I'm so tired of NZ stealing all of our players :lol:
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I guess the unluckiest absentee is Fakatava. He would've walked into this squad if fit.
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Gumboot wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:45 am I guess the unluckiest absentee is Fakatava. He would've walked into this squad if fit.
Sam Cane would like a word
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Enzedder wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:38 am
Gumboot wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:45 am I guess the unluckiest absentee is Fakatava. He would've walked into this squad if fit.
Sam Cane would like a word
Fair point, I should've said unluckiest noob.
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I like neeps wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:44 am Finlay Christie?? I'm so tired of NZ stealing all of our players :lol:
Dammit, Neeps, you got in there first.

Aye, plus all the McKenzies and McCaws and whatnot
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I like neeps wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:44 am Finlay Christie?? I'm so tired of NZ stealing all of our players :lol:
And I thought it was a joke, but you guys have claimed him.
Scottish scrum-half Finlay Christie named in New Zealand All Blacks squad
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby-un ... 280937?amp
All eyes on Scot Finlay Christie ahead of rugby kick-off in New Zealand
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby-un ... nd-2877031
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The Blackadders are Scottish as well.

Were.
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Braydon Ennor has appendicitis and will miss the July tests. The poor bloke can't buy a trick.

Wonder who's next cab off the rank...Fainga'anulu's probably the favourite, but I'd much prefer Billy Proctor.
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Gumboot wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:30 am Braydon Ennor has appendicitis and will miss the July tests. The poor bloke can't buy a trick.

Wonder who's next cab off the rank...Fainga'anulu's probably the favourite, but I'd much prefer Billy Proctor.
Me too. Billy has done his time before the mast as it were and learned the craft of being a 13. Put specialists in specialist positions.
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Flockwitt wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:49 am
Gumboot wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:30 am Braydon Ennor has appendicitis and will miss the July tests. The poor bloke can't buy a trick.

Wonder who's next cab off the rank...Fainga'anulu's probably the favourite, but I'd much prefer Billy Proctor.
Me too. Billy has done his time before the mast as it were and learned the craft of being a 13. Put specialists in specialist positions.
I’m pretty sure Foster is lining up Jordie for this position.

You just wait and see!

10. BB
12. Richie Mo
13. Jordie
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Ymx wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:58 am
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:49 am
Gumboot wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:30 am Braydon Ennor has appendicitis and will miss the July tests. The poor bloke can't buy a trick.

Wonder who's next cab off the rank...Fainga'anulu's probably the favourite, but I'd much prefer Billy Proctor.
Me too. Billy has done his time before the mast as it were and learned the craft of being a 13. Put specialists in specialist positions.
I’m pretty sure Foster is lining up Jordie for this position.

You just wait and see!

10. BB
12. Richie Mo
13. Jordie


Newshub:
All Blacks could turn to Jordie Barrett as emergency midfield option, says defence coach
Uh-oh...
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Flockwitt wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:49 am
Gumboot wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:30 am Braydon Ennor has appendicitis and will miss the July tests. The poor bloke can't buy a trick.

Wonder who's next cab off the rank...Fainga'anulu's probably the favourite, but I'd much prefer Billy Proctor.
Me too. Billy has done his time before the mast as it were and learned the craft of being a 13. Put specialists in specialist positions.
Ideas like this are why you'll never be an AN selector. :grin:
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Gumboot wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:55 am
Ymx wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:58 am
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:49 am
Me too. Billy has done his time before the mast as it were and learned the craft of being a 13. Put specialists in specialist positions.
I’m pretty sure Foster is lining up Jordie for this position.

You just wait and see!

10. BB
12. Richie Mo
13. Jordie


Newshub:
All Blacks could turn to Jordie Barrett as emergency midfield option, says defence coach
Uh-oh...
:eek: :sad:
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My friend's wondering if anyone knows where to stream the Maori vs Samoa game? It isn't on any of the usual sites... apparently.

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Tonga
1.Duke Nginingini*, 2.Sam Moli*, 3.Sila Puafisi, 4.Don Lolo*, 5.Zane Kapeli, 6.Mateaki Kafatolu*, 7.Solomone Funaki*, 8.Sione Tu'ipolotu*, 9.Sonatane Takulua (captain), 10.Kalione Hala, 11.Penikolo Latu, 12.Nikolai Foliaki*, 13.Fine Inisi*, 14.Hosea Saumaki*, 15.James Faiva.

Substitutes: 16. Siua Maile, 17.Jethro Felemi, 18.Tau Koloamatangi*, 19.Harrison Mataele*, 20.Viliami Taulani*, 21.Nasi Manu, 22.Leon Fukofuka, 23.Walter Fifita*

* Indicates debut

All Blacks
TBA



Hope our first test day squad of the year looks something like this:

15 Jordie
14 Reece
13 Rieko (would've preferred him at 11 but needs must)
12 Havili
11 Bridge
10 Mo'unga
9 Smith

8 Sotutu
7 Savea
6 Jacobson
5 Vaa'i
4 Whitelock (c)
3 Laulala
2 Coles
1 Karl T

16 Taylor, 17 De Groot, 18 Ta'avao, 19 S Barrett, 20 Papalii, 21 Christie, 22 Tupaea, 23 McKenzie
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That back line doesn’t inspire confidence if it was against tier 1.

Is Bridge back from injury?
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Ymx wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:01 pm That back line doesn’t inspire confidence if it was against tier 1.

Is Bridge back from injury?
Thought he was back in training, but not entirely sure.

Who would you change in that backline? With ALB, Goodhue and Ennor out, Rieko's pretty much our last man standing at 13. Maybe keep Jordie at 14...please no...
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Gumboot wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:47 pm
Ymx wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:01 pm That back line doesn’t inspire confidence if it was against tier 1.

Is Bridge back from injury?
Thought he was back in training, but not entirely sure.

Who would you change in that backline? With ALB, Goodhue and Ennor out, Rieko's pretty much our last man standing at 13. Maybe keep Jordie at 14...please no...
That midfield have played at pro level for 1 plus season, and nothing at international level. It’s dire. Not saying I can come up with a better alternative…
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Ymx wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:59 pmThat midfield have played at pro level for 1 plus season, and nothing at international level. It’s dire. Not saying I can come up with a better alternative…
Yep, it's a tricky one. They should have more than enough to deal with the likes of Tonga and Fiji, and ALB will be available again in a couple of weeks. Havili really impressed me at 12 this year - I'd previously rated him as a fine fullback who never looked comfortable when asked to play in the midfield. Happy he's proved me wrong. Very keen to see Tupaea get some decent game time in these tests, as well.

But yeah, you're probably right and Fuzzy will name Jordie at 12...
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The team's just been named:

1: Karl Tu’inukuafe (17)
2: Dane Coles (74)
3: Angus Ta’avao (14)
4: Scott Barrett (36)
5: Samuel Whitelock (122) – captain
6: Akira Ioane (2)
7: Dalton Papalii (4)
8: Luke Jacobson (2)
9: Brad Weber (7)
10: Richie Mo’unga (22)
11: George Bridge (10)
12: Quinn Tupaea (new cap)
13: Rieko Ioane (33)
14: Will Jordan (2)
15: Damian McKenzie (27)


16: Asafo Aumua (1)
17: George Bower (new cap)
18: Tyrel Lomax (6)
19: Patrick Tuipulotu (35)
20: Ethan Blackadder (new cap)
21: Finlay Christie (new cap)
22: Beauden Barrett (88)
23: Jordie Barrett (23)
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All Blacks Head Coach Ian Foster said the chance to play a first Test at home was “pretty special” especially for the newer players selected.

“It’s fantastic that Quinn, George, Ethan and Finlay have an opportunity and we’re excited for them, especially playing in front of a home crowd.

Commenting on the make-up of the loose forward trio, Foster added: “Dalton gets a reward for a great campaign this year. In Akira’s case, he started at six last year and it’s a chance for him to put a marker down. Luke played very well for the Chiefs and he is back in great form.”

Foster also said Jordie Barrett would cover the midfield from the bench. “He is excited by that. We know where he will play long term but he’s a great utility player to have.”
https://www.allblacks.com/news/all-blac ... nst-tonga/
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Gumboot wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:31 pm The team's just been named:

1: Karl Tu’inukuafe (17)
2: Dane Coles (74)
3: Angus Ta’avao (14)
4: Scott Barrett (36)
5: Samuel Whitelock (122) – captain
6: Akira Ioane (2)
7: Dalton Papalii (4)
8: Luke Jacobson (2)
9: Brad Weber (7)
10: Richie Mo’unga (22)
11: George Bridge (10)
12: Quinn Tupaea (new cap)
13: Rieko Ioane (33)
14: Will Jordan (2)
15: Damian McKenzie (27)


16: Asafo Aumua (1)
17: George Bower (new cap)
18: Tyrel Lomax (6)
19: Patrick Tuipulotu (35)
20: Ethan Blackadder (new cap)
21: Finlay Christie (new cap)
22: Beauden Barrett (88)
23: Jordie Barrett (23)
To be fair that’s a pretty ok back line considering…

Liking the back 3.

And be interesting to see the back row in action too.
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I love the smell of test day in the morning. :thumbup:
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Mini sleep for me and shall wake to the game.
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Maori vs Samoa just about to kick off...
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Te Mighty Williams is such a promising young prop. A monster in the scrum, but also has good hands. He could probably lose 10kg and get more mobile around the field, a bit quicker up off the ground etc...but man, he has so much upside.
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"This kid" Laban has to be the worst commentator in NZ. Just dire.
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