The Springboks vs British & Irish Lions 2nd Test Thread

[ASMO]

The definitive thread.

[OomStruisbaai]

You should be banned for opening this thread

[Ymx]

Who are the officials ?

[OomStruisbaai]

Who are the officials ?

News24

Berry will take charge of the first Test between the Springboks and British & Irish Lions at the Cape Town Stadium on Saturday, 24 July, with O’Keeffe and Raynal assisting him, and New Zealand’s Brendon Pickerill serving as the TMO.

The same referee team will be on duty in the last two Tests, with O’Keeffe taking over the whistle in second Test at the FNB Stadium in Johannesburg on Saturday, 31 July, while Raynal will take charge of the final Test at the same iconic venue on Saturday, 7 August, where Pickerill retains his role as TMO.

South African Marius Jonker has been named as television match official for the three British and Irish Lions Tests after New Zealand's Brendon Pickerill was forced to withdraw;

[JM2K6]

What did these teams do to deserve those officials?

[sorCrer]

Have they banned that filthy Scot Hamish yet? Fucking thug.

Getting some in early ;)

[Biffer]

Have they banned that filthy Scot Hamish yet? Fucking thug.

Getting some in early ;)

Just upholding the fine traditions of South African rugby.

[boere wors]

As mentioned before, I would bring Marco at 6 for the next test and shift Kolisi to 8. It doesnt matter where he doesnt perform, and he will be in the XV anyway. Also bring in Cobus instead of herschel and Fassi instead of Elton, Willemse can cover 10. They'll give us some xfactor when coming on. Start with Lood and let him empty his tank before Mostert or Rensburg can take over. Dont know about the front row, Thomas du Toit and wilco Louw instead on the bench?! In theory the bench front row is class, they didnt perform yesterday.

01. Nche
02. Bongi
03. Trevor
04. Eben
05. Lood
06. Van Staden
07. PSdT
08. Kolisi
09. Faf
10. Pollard
11. Mapimpi
12. De Allende
13. Am
14. Kolbe
15. Willie

16. Kitshoff
17. Marx
18. Malherbe
19. Janse v Rensburg
20. Mostert
21. Cobus
22. Fassi
23. Willemse

[OomStruisbaai]

Why Fassie & Reinach?

[boere wors]

Why Fassie & Reinach?

Reinach is in form, has played the warm up matches, and can make quite an impact with his pace coming on in the second half. Likewise Fassi, if needed he can come on and create something. Herschel, who hasnt been in form lately, and especially Elton are too conservative choices.Yesterday we desperately needed guys to come on and have an impact, a proper bomb squad. Elstadt, Lood, Jantjies et al were not those guys

[Sards]

Why Fassie & Reinach?

Reinach is in form, has played the warm up matches, and can make quite an impact with his pace coming on in the second half. Likewise Fassi, if needed he can come on and create something. Herschel, who hasnt been in form lately, and especially Elton are too conservative choices.Yesterday we desperately needed guys to come on and have an impact, a proper bomb squad. Elstadt, Lood, Jantjies et al were not those guys

Fassi was very good in his first 2 starts. You would never have said he was on debut. I doubt Rassie will make any changes. To do so would possibly end the careers at the boks for his reserves. Also. The noise coming out from the team is that they are going to come out harder and angrier and are going to redeem themselves.

[boere wors]

Fassi was very good in his first 2 starts. You would never have said he was on debut. I doubt Rassie will make any changes. To do so would possibly end the careers at the boks for his reserves. Also. The noise coming out from the team is that they are going to come out harder and angrier and are going to redeem themselves.

Well lets hope so, as you might be right regarding the changes. I think our main Problem is 8 and the reserves thus I would twist the squad just as above at that Eightman position as well as the bench.

[Sards]

Interesting. Springboks have just owned the record for the shortest winning streak for a RWC winner. 1 test against Georgia

[OomStruisbaai]

Why Fassie & Reinach?

Reinach is in form, has played the warm up matches, and can make quite an impact with his pace coming on in the second half. Likewise Fassi, if needed he can come on and create something. Herschel, who hasnt been in form lately, and especially Elton are too conservative choices.Yesterday we desperately needed guys to come on and have an impact, a proper bomb squad. Elstadt, Lood, Jantjies et al were not those guys

No need for Fassi. Willemse cover 10,12 & 15.

[boere wors]

Why Fassie & Reinach?

Reinach is in form, has played the warm up matches, and can make quite an impact with his pace coming on in the second half. Likewise Fassi, if needed he can come on and create something. Herschel, who hasnt been in form lately, and especially Elton are too conservative choices.Yesterday we desperately needed guys to come on and have an impact, a proper bomb squad. Elstadt, Lood, Jantjies et al were not those guys

No need for Fassi. Willemse cover 10,12 & 15.

Reinach 9, Willemse 10,12,15, Fassi 11,14,15.

Thats pretty much perfect. Or what would you suggest? Another forward, 6/2 this time?

[Blake]

Why Fassie & Reinach?

Reinach is in form, has played the warm up matches, and can make quite an impact with his pace coming on in the second half. Likewise Fassi, if needed he can come on and create something. Herschel, who hasnt been in form lately, and especially Elton are too conservative choices.Yesterday we desperately needed guys to come on and have an impact, a proper bomb squad. Elstadt, Lood, Jantjies et al were not those guys

All we needed was for our players to fucking catch the box kicks and up-and-unders we were getting peppered with in the second half. That's it. Easier said than done of course, but that's where it all went pear-shaped in the second half.

You can pick whoever the fuck you want at 9, 10 or in the tight five...if your players are running backwards and constantly setting a disrupted defensive line because one of the wings, or the fullback or the 8 lost an aerial contest they are going to have zero impact on the match. It's why we use that tactic and why it works very well.

It just got used against us, which is smart. Kwagga is short, Kolbe is short (he has no right to be as good in the air as he has been for most kicks) and you never know what you are going to get with Willie on the day. In the first half the Lions played right into our hands. They fucked up in the air and then tried to truck it up the middle; which was stupid. In the second half they exposed us with out own gameplan.

[Blake]

Interesting. Springboks have just owned the record for the shortest winning streak for a RWC winner. 1 test against Georgia

Worst World Champions ever!

Will you please go and support NZ or somebody else now?

[boere wors]

Why Fassie & Reinach?

Reinach is in form, has played the warm up matches, and can make quite an impact with his pace coming on in the second half. Likewise Fassi, if needed he can come on and create something. Herschel, who hasnt been in form lately, and especially Elton are too conservative choices.Yesterday we desperately needed guys to come on and have an impact, a proper bomb squad. Elstadt, Lood, Jantjies et al were not those guys

All we needed was for our players to fucking catch the box kicks and up-and-unders we were getting peppered with in the second half. That's it. Easier said than done of course, but that's where it all went pear-shaped in the second half.

You can pick whoever the fuck you want at 9, 10 or in the tight five...if your players are running backwards and constantly setting a disrupted defensive line because one of the wings, or the fullback or the 8 lost an aerial contest they are going to have zero impact on the match. It's why we use that tactic and why it works very well.

It just got used against us, which is smart. Kwagga is short, Kolbe is short (he has no right to be as good in the air as he has been for most kicks) and you never know what you are going to get with Willie on the day. In the first half the Lions played right into our hands. They fucked up in the air and then tried to truck it up the middle; which was stupid. In the second half they exposed us with out own gameplan.

Marco is taller than Kwagga, Cobus is taller than Herschel, Fassi is taller than Elton, NJvR is as taller than Elstadt.
You see, I thought of all that. Your problem is solved

[Blake]

Marco is taller than Kwagga, Cobus is taller than Herschel, Fassi is taller than Elton, NJvR is as taller than Elstadt.
You see, I thought of all that. Your problem is solved

I know you are joking, but none of Elstadt, or either of the Jantjies dropped a high ball in the second half. Elstadt should be dropped for entirely different reasons. If we need to cap NJvR then so be it, even after his last minute brain-fart against the Bulls.

Kwagga missed a few, as did Kolby and I think Willemse mistimed one up and under.
Even if you switch out Kwagga for Van Staden (which I think we should do), you want Van Staden at the rucks, not patrolling the sideline like Vermeulen used to. If Marco starts it will have to be Kolisi at 8.
Alternatively Wiese has to start at 8; he's tall enough at 1.9m, but I have no idea how good his aerial game will be when 1.93m Duhan is also competing for the ball. And then have Marco on the bench, but then Kolisi is going to have to keep Itoje in check at the breakdown, and I honestly don't know if he has the workrate to do that.

[Sards]

Why Fassie & Reinach?

Because you cannot lose a series because you are pelly pelly with your old colleagues. Doing so will damage our brand more than it already has been this past weekend
besides the obvious loss of the series .

[Sards]

Another mouth watering encounter coming up between Kolbe and Duhan. 1 love to Duhan so far. Got a feeling Kolbe is going to turn him inside out this time

[Gumboot]

Another mouth watering encounter coming up between Kolbe and Duhan. 1 love to Duhan so far.

Wouldn't be surprised if Kolbe's marking a different opponent this weekend.

[assfly]

The only change I'd be inclined to make to the starting lineout is Marco in for Kwagga.

But the bench definitely needs a rethink. Both Jantjies didn't do anything wrong when they came on, but they don't really fill me with confidence especially when you see the quality of the Lions bench. Elton vs Owen is a total mismatch. But if we change the players we also need to change the way they're managed. Our front row on Saturday deserved another 10 minutes; call me old fashioned but I'm a fan of the 50 minute change otherwise momentum can be lost at halftime.

[Sards]

The only change I'd be inclined to make to the starting lineout is Marco in for Kwagga.

But the bench definitely needs a rethink. Both Jantjies didn't do anything wrong when they came on, but they don't really fill me with confidence especially when you see the quality of the Lions bench. Elton vs Owen is a total mismatch. But if we change the players we also need to change the way they're managed. Our front row on Saturday deserved another 10 minutes; call me old fashioned but I'm a fan of the 50 minute change otherwise momentum can be lost at halftime.

Maybe swop the bench with the starters?

And that second front row needs some education on how to stop a rolling maul

[assfly]

And that second front row needs some education on how to stop a rolling maul

I don't know what happened with them. We all know they're better players than that, they just never got into their stride.

Especially Marx, I expected him to really make an impact but was very quiet.

I'd keep both sets where they are, I think Ox and Bongi were both very good and Nyakane in particular was a lot better than the SA A game.

[Chilli]

With all of Sards's man love for Koos's kid Duhan, does Sards know that he doesn't play fir the $harks?

[Sards]

And that second front row needs some education on how to stop a rolling maul

I don't know what happened with them. We all know they're better players than that, they just never got into their stride.

Especially Marx, I expected him to really make an impact but was very quiet.

I'd keep both sets where they are, I think Ox and Bongi were both very good and Nyakane in particular was a lot better than the SA A game.

Maybe it's more than just a skills issue. You want to make sure you have the right temperament to either close it off or win it at the end.

[Sards]

With all of Sards's man love for Koos's kid Duhan, does Sards know that he doesn't play fir the $harks?

Yet.. .

[OomStruisbaai]

We moving in the right direction. Springbokke never performed with the favorite tag.

[OomStruisbaai]

With all of Sards's man love for Koos's kid Duhan, does Sards know that he doesn't play fir the $harks?

He hates Kolbey, Stormers and x Stormers.

Mapimpi is the one who can't catch the high balls. He should rather be drop for his beloved Fassi

[Sards]

With all of Sards's man love for Koos's kid Duhan, does Sards know that he doesn't play fir the $harks?

He hates Kolbey, Stormers and x Stormers.

Mapimpi is the one who can't catch the high balls. He should rather be drop for his beloved Fassi

I hate losing...stop being so needy

If you are not prepared to question tactics and personnel following a loss then you can do this all alone

[assfly]

Mapimpi is the one who can't catch the high balls. He should rather be drop for his beloved Fassi

That would be harsh on Mapimpi. And he's our best chance of scoring tries, if we ever get the ball to him.

We'll also have to see if Willie is fit to play. Otherwise do we start Fassie or 5Bar?

[Blake]

Mapimpi is the one who can't catch the high balls. He should rather be drop for his beloved Fassi

That would be harsh on Mapimpi. And he's our best chance of scoring tries, if we ever get the ball to him.

We'll also have to see if Willie is fit to play. Otherwise do we start Fassie or 5Bar?

That's actually a good point. If Willie is injured, I'd start with Willemse at 15 and probably have Fassi on the bench. T
Coach will probably go with Frans Steyn, but we really need that creative play-making element that Willie adds to the attack to create some opportunities for Kolbe and Mapimpi.
Willemse might be able replicate some of that. I can't see Frans Steyn join the line or swoop around to create an overlap. Fassi maybe, which is why I'd have him on the bench.

Going to be a tough week for the Boks and coaching staff. They have a lot to work on:
- Aerial skills
- Maul defense
- Conditioning
...and we have to figure out what Gatland is planning for next week, because I'm certain he is going to be working on one or two other curve-balls while we are frantically plugging these glaring gaps in our game.

[OomStruisbaai]

Mapimpi is the one who can't catch the high balls. He should rather be drop for his beloved Fassi

That would be harsh on Mapimpi. And he's our best chance of scoring tries, if we ever get the ball to him.

We'll also have to see if Willie is fit to play. Otherwise do we start Fassie or 5Bar?

5 Bar will start. He has been great for the bom squad.

[Sandstorm]

Maybe we should try passing the ball instead of just selecting a different player to chase and catch endless kicks?

[assfly]

I'd give Willemse the benefit of the doubt.

I think his attitude in his bench appearances has been good. He just needs to translate it into a full game.

Although I still think we need to consider Nkosi. If Kolbe is having a bad day under the high ball, then we need to counter it and Nkosi is excellent under the high ball.

[Chilli]

Maybe we should try passing the ball instead of just selecting a different player to chase and catch endless kicks?

Fuck off with your sensible ideas Sandy.

[Chilli]

I'd give Willemse the benefit of the doubt.

I think his attitude in his bench appearances has been good. He just needs to translate it into a full game.

Although I still think we need to consider Nkosi. If Kolbe is having a bad day under the high ball, then we need to counter it and Nkosi is excellent under the high ball.

Kolbe at 15
Nkosi on the wing.

[Blake]

Maybe we should try passing the ball instead of just selecting a different player to chase and catch endless kicks?

Okay Alistair Coetzee

[Sards]

Maybe we should try passing the ball instead of just selecting a different player to chase and catch endless kicks?

Okay Alistair Coetzee

Coetzee abandoned it quickly. You are thinking about moneybags