The Springboks vs British & Irish Lions 2nd Test Thread

[Chilli]

I see that Rassie has released a 1 hour video on his "reflections".

Don't have the time to watch the whole thing, but looks like it's going to shake things up a bit more.

Will someone please post a summary

Linky?

[Raggs]

I see that Rassie has released a 1 hour video on his "reflections".

Don't have the time to watch the whole thing, but looks like it's going to shake things up a bit more.

Will someone please post a summary

Linky?

[assfly]

Linky?

[Biffer]

The main reason South Africa will lose is because your coach has lost his fucking mind.

[sorCrer]

I've never seen someone in his position undermining refereeing performance to this extent. It's pathetic. Any analyst can watch a game of rugby and make a video with lots of pretty yellow circles highlighting opposition indiscretions. The last thing someone in his position should be doing is waging a campaign like this.

It's the very first thing Gatland did? Started with the Faf yellow and then ranted to world media about Jonker not being impartial?

[sorCrer]

The main reason South Africa will lose is because your director of rugby has lost his fucking mind.

Corrected.

[JM2K6]

I've never seen someone in his position undermining refereeing performance to this extent. It's pathetic. Any analyst can watch a game of rugby and make a video with lots of pretty yellow circles highlighting opposition indiscretions. The last thing someone in his position should be doing is waging a campaign like this.

It's the very first thing Gatland did? Started with the Faf yellow and then ranted to world media about Jonker not being impartial?

To which Rassie responded in kind.

And now he's gone off the fucking deep end.

[Margin__Walker]

I've never seen someone in his position undermining refereeing performance to this extent. It's pathetic. Any analyst can watch a game of rugby and make a video with lots of pretty yellow circles highlighting opposition indiscretions. The last thing someone in his position should be doing is waging a campaign like this.

It's the very first thing Gatland did? Started with the Faf yellow and then ranted to world media about Jonker not being impartial?

Coaches (and DORs) often comment on potential red card incidents. Not great, but it happens. A non neutral TMO is very much out of the ordinary for a test series and worthy of comment.

Hour long videos and burner Twitter accounts bitching about every single decision down to not straight throws, not so much.

You comfortable with Rassie's latest content then?

[sorCrer]

I've never seen someone in his position undermining refereeing performance to this extent. It's pathetic. Any analyst can watch a game of rugby and make a video with lots of pretty yellow circles highlighting opposition indiscretions. The last thing someone in his position should be doing is waging a campaign like this.

It's the very first thing Gatland did? Started with the Faf yellow and then ranted to world media about Jonker not being impartial?

Coaches (and DORs) often comment on potential red card incidents. Not great, but it happens. A non neutral TMO is very much out of the ordinary for a test series and worthy of comment.

Hour long videos and burner Twitter accounts bitching about every single decision down to not straight throws, not so much.

You comfortable with Rassie's latest content then?

Not comfortable with it but it seems to be the way rugby (and society in general) is going. I did find the bit about the Kolbe tackle and not rolling away quite interesting especially seeing as it happens in front of Berry and is in a kickable position. IMO the Lions have been offside at rucks a lot on the whole tour and not called for it.

The complaining about Faf's yellow was quite vociferous and pretty unbecoming from the Lions camp. They have been very quiet since last weekend's game.

[JM2K6]

The Lions got fucked on several occasions by the ref in the first half, there's genuinely no point to any of this.

The complaining about Faf's yellow was quite vociferous and pretty unbecoming from the Lions camp. They have been very quiet since last weekend's game.

Well yeah - never interrupt your enemy when he's in the process of making a mistake

[Margin__Walker]

I'm pretty sure I could watch the game and point out multiple occasions where SA are offside at rucks.

It's rugby FFS. There are multiple infringements at every breakdown and it's a bloody hard game to ref.

[JM2K6]

The Kolbe tackle is two players competing for the ball, it's as marginal a call as you can get in those circumstances.

[duke]

I've never seen someone in his position undermining refereeing performance to this extent. It's pathetic. Any analyst can watch a game of rugby and make a video with lots of pretty yellow circles highlighting opposition indiscretions. The last thing someone in his position should be doing is waging a campaign like this.

It's the very first thing Gatland did? Started with the Faf yellow and then ranted to world media about Jonker not being impartial?

To which Rassie responded in kind.

And now he's gone off the fucking deep end.

Is this Rassie's equivalent to Woodward and Campbell on the 05 Tour?

[JM2K6]

It's the very first thing Gatland did? Started with the Faf yellow and then ranted to world media about Jonker not being impartial?

To which Rassie responded in kind.

And now he's gone off the fucking deep end.

Is this Rassie's equivalent to Woodward and Campbell on the 05 Tour?

Worse, I reckon. He's complaining about offsides and Kolbe being challenged in the air, not BOD being speared off the ball and put in hospital.

[Raggs]

To which Rassie responded in kind.

And now he's gone off the fucking deep end.

Is this Rassie's equivalent to Woodward and Campbell on the 05 Tour?

Worse, I reckon. He's complaining about offsides and Kolbe being challenged in the air, not BOD being speared off the ball and put in hospital.

At the end he's complaining about not straight lineouts.

[Biffer]

The main reason South Africa will lose is because your director of rugby has lost his fucking mind.

Corrected.

And now your coach has said he hung Kwagga Smith out to dry by not getting the tactics right. So he's dropped him.

Is it any wonder all your young guys want to come and play for Scotland if they're going to be treated like that?

[handyman]

The main reason South Africa will lose is because your director of rugby has lost his fucking mind.

Corrected.

And now your coach has said he hung Kwagga Smith out to dry by not getting the tactics right. So he's dropped him.

Is it any wonder all your young guys want to come and play for Scotland if they're going to be treated like that?

Isn't it the players that don't get contracts in Japan, France, England, Ireland or Wales that end up in Scotland?

[dpedin]

Corrected.

And now your coach has said he hung Kwagga Smith out to dry by not getting the tactics right. So he's dropped him.

Is it any wonder all your young guys want to come and play for Scotland if they're going to be treated like that?

Isn't it the players that don't get contracts in Japan, France, England, Ireland or Wales that end up in Scotland?

Yeh - we just fix them up properly after they have been broken elsewhere and send them to the Lions.

[Biffer]

And now your coach has said he hung Kwagga Smith out to dry by not getting the tactics right. So he's dropped him.

Is it any wonder all your young guys want to come and play for Scotland if they're going to be treated like that?

Isn't it the players that don't get contracts in Japan, France, England, Ireland or Wales that end up in Scotland?

Yeh - we just fix them up properly after they have been broken elsewhere and send them to the Lions.

Superior coaching and better treatment of players, obviously.

[Sards]

Oh my vok..this is so anal

The whole ref whinging and Rassie thing

[Paddington Bear]

Rassie fully off the deep end - bizarre

[Big D]

It's the very first thing Gatland did? Started with the Faf yellow and then ranted to world media about Jonker not being impartial?

Coaches (and DORs) often comment on potential red card incidents. Not great, but it happens. A non neutral TMO is very much out of the ordinary for a test series and worthy of comment.

Hour long videos and burner Twitter accounts bitching about every single decision down to not straight throws, not so much.

You comfortable with Rassie's latest content then?

Not comfortable with it but it seems to be the way rugby (and society in general) is going. I did find the bit about the Kolbe tackle and not rolling away quite interesting especially seeing as it happens in front of Berry and is in a kickable position. IMO the Lions have been offside at rucks a lot on the whole tour and not called for it.

The complaining about Faf's yellow was quite vociferous and pretty unbecoming from the Lions camp. They have been very quiet since last weekend's game.

The Boks were offside a lot too and often in front of the kicker etc. If the refs are consistent then grand but it was the Lions who were the only side pinged being in front of the kicker on Saturday. If anyone could be arsed, you could go through every ruck and maul and pick up a penalty.

This could back fire quite spectacularly on Rassie if the refs start getting pedantic.

On the last tour of SA the Lions got utterly fucked by a gouge being picked up and not being red carded in the first minute of the game and I don't remember this level of whinging.

[assfly]

I've just watched the whole thing. I suggest that anybody who wants to climb into Rassie does the same.

His reasons for doing the video are clear; World Rugby have not given him the time to discuss his concerns. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a video like this going into the public domain, but his frustrations are clear.

Regarding the points he raises, he does make very good points. I totally missed the spear tackle by Duhan on Mapimpi after Am's hit on Daly. I'm sure if Gatland did the same thing, he'd pick up on a lot of things too, but Rassie put's forward a very damning case against the match officials.

I don't think anybody is going to come away from this looking good.

[Raggs]

I've just watched the whole thing. I suggest that anybody who wants to climb into Rassie does the same.

His reasons for doing the video are clear; World Rugby have not given him the time to discuss his concerns. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a video like this going into the public domain, but his frustrations are clear.

Regarding the points he raises, he does make very good points. I totally missed the spear tackle by Duhan on Mapimpi after Am's hit on Daly. I'm sure if Gatland did the same thing, he'd pick up on a lot of things too, but Rassie put's forward a very damning case against the match officials.

I don't think anybody is going to come away from this looking good.

Picking out a few dangerous tackles etc, OK. Picking out every possible ruck offence, and worse, not straight lineouts? Come on.

[Sandstorm]

RASSIE ERASMUS is battling a life-threatening illness, according to South African media reports.

The 47-year-old who transformed the national team from a laughing stock to world champions within 18 months struggled with a rare autoimmune disease last year.

Called microscopic polyangiitis with granulomatosis, it can affect organs such as the kidneys and lungs and also sinuses and trachea.

And his brain by the look of things too.

[Sards]

I've just watched the whole thing. I suggest that anybody who wants to climb into Rassie does the same.

His reasons for doing the video are clear; World Rugby have not given him the time to discuss his concerns. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a video like this going into the public domain, but his frustrations are clear.

Regarding the points he raises, he does make very good points. I totally missed the spear tackle by Duhan on Mapimpi after Am's hit on Daly. I'm sure if Gatland did the same thing, he'd pick up on a lot of things too, but Rassie put's forward a very damning case against the match officials.

I don't think anybody is going to come away from this looking good.

This series is going to be remembered for Rassie going mental. If we do not win this weekend it's going to be carnage on Twitter

[assfly]

Picking out a few dangerous tackles etc, OK. Picking out every possible ruck offence, and worse, not straight lineouts? Come on.

The not straight lineouts is pedantic agreed.

But often the examples he cites came at critical moments in the match and often in kickable positions.

[JM2K6]

I've just watched the whole thing. I suggest that anybody who wants to climb into Rassie does the same.

His reasons for doing the video are clear; World Rugby have not given him the time to discuss his concerns. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a video like this going into the public domain, but his frustrations are clear.

Regarding the points he raises, he does make very good points. I totally missed the spear tackle by Duhan on Mapimpi after Am's hit on Daly. I'm sure if Gatland did the same thing, he'd pick up on a lot of things too, but Rassie put's forward a very damning case against the match officials.

I don't think anybody is going to come away from this looking good.

I feel like anyone who thinks Rassie is making really good points here is going to have their mind blown by anyone who goes through a replay of a rugby match looking for shit that wasn't picked up or was incorrectly called

[Big D]

Imagine the shit that Gatland or Eddie Jones would get for doing something like this.

Gatland got grief for pointing out not having a neutral TMO wasn't a good look.

[assfly]

I feel like anyone who thinks Rassie is making really good points here is going to have their mind blown by anyone who goes through a replay of a rugby match looking for shit that wasn't picked up or was incorrectly called

I agree, I'm sure Gatland could do the same. Boks weren't angels.

I applaud Rassie for raising these issues, but for the sake of our game I don't think it should be done in the public domain like this.

[Sandstorm]

often in kickable positions.

You love a good kickable position, eh Jake?

[JM2K6]

I feel like anyone who thinks Rassie is making really good points here is going to have their mind blown by anyone who goes through a replay of a rugby match looking for shit that wasn't picked up or was incorrectly called

I agree, I'm sure Gatland could do the same. Boks weren't angels.

I applaud Rassie for raising these issues, but for the sake of our game I don't think it should be done in the public domain like this.

I don't think there's anything to applaud. Everyone knows plenty of stuff is missed. He's being incredibly self-serving and deeply disingenuous.

[Sards]

Time to start threatening the refs again. I think Bryce Lawrence was our last victim that got attacked on social media

[assfly]

I don't think there's anything to applaud. Everyone knows plenty of stuff is missed. He's being incredibly self-serving and deeply disingenuous.

Have you watched the video?

[Sards]

They should ban Rassie from the match tbh. For everyone's sanity

[handyman]

I've just watched the whole thing. I suggest that anybody who wants to climb into Rassie does the same.

His reasons for doing the video are clear; World Rugby have not given him the time to discuss his concerns. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a video like this going into the public domain, but his frustrations are clear.

Regarding the points he raises, he does make very good points. I totally missed the spear tackle by Duhan on Mapimpi after Am's hit on Daly. I'm sure if Gatland did the same thing, he'd pick up on a lot of things too, but Rassie put's forward a very damning case against the match officials.

I don't think anybody is going to come away from this looking good.

Would you say the video is warranted? Is it as bad as some posters have made it out to be? I can only have a look tonight.

[handyman]

They should ban Rassie from the match tbh. For everyone's sanity

Sometimes you are your own worst enemy

[handyman]

Imagine the shit that Gatland or Eddie Jones would get for doing something like this.

Gatland got grief for pointing out not having a neutral TMO wasn't a good look.

Pointing out? That's putting it rather lightly.

[assfly]

Would you say the video is warranted? Is it as bad as some posters have made it out to be? I can only have a look tonight.

He's not hysterically blaming the ref for our loss. He's simply talks us through several incidents and gives us his thoughts. I knew the ref was bad, but I didn't know he was that bad.

[Biffer]

This series is going to be remembered for Rassie going mental.

Yep