I’m not saying if I didn’t see it then it didn’t happen. Just don’t remember anything being mentioned in the game.dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:07 pmJust because we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I presume there will be marks on the victim to substantiate claims? Hopefully there is nothing in it but if he did bite then he deserves everything he gets thrown at him, despicable act.ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:43 pmWhen in the match did this happen? I don’t remember seeing anything with Sinckler noshing a Sefrican.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 pm
I really hope for Sinckler's sake that there is nothing to this given his track record.
The Springboks vs British & Irish Lions 2nd Test Thread
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I am out again. $hark$ brought me back for a few.Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:57 pmBack already? Your flounce is shorter than Jankies’ box-kicks.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:24 pmVok Boet if you are a real rugby supporter you watch any rugby game. Why don't you vokof watching soccer.
Was involved in a Twitter discussion about this. Assuming you have a mouth guard in, what’s the point in biting someone? OK, you can still bite with your bottom teeth, but I doubt you’d manage to do any damage beyond some slight bruising.dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:07 pmJust because we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I presume there will be marks on the victim to substantiate claims? Hopefully there is nothing in it but if he did bite then he deserves everything he gets thrown at him, despicable act.ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:43 pmWhen in the match did this happen? I don’t remember seeing anything with Sinckler noshing a Sefrican.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 pm
I really hope for Sinckler's sake that there is nothing to this given his track record.
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So, as I expected Itoje (kneeling on neck), hungry hungry Hogg (biting) both not cited. Other incidents like the Vunipola tackle to the head of Etzebeth also not cited. Unexpectedly hungry hungry Sinkler was cited for biting, it seems because a complaint was made during the match and the ref said the citing officer would come back to it.
These guys don't have any BMT, pressure came on and they totally lost it and went feral because they're mentally weak.
Terrible for the game nothing will come of any of these incidents, there'll be a court case one day when something goes seriously wrong I suspect. But excellent for the Boks they're all back in again, they can win the fight again next Saturday.
These guys don't have any BMT, pressure came on and they totally lost it and went feral because they're mentally weak.
Terrible for the game nothing will come of any of these incidents, there'll be a court case one day when something goes seriously wrong I suspect. But excellent for the Boks they're all back in again, they can win the fight again next Saturday.
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Lions do the biting and the soccer diving. What a shambles._Os_ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:15 pm So, as I expected Itoje (kneeling on neck), hungry hungry Hogg (biting) both not cited. Other incidents like the Vunipola tackle to the head of Etzebeth also not cited. Unexpectedly hungry hungry Sinkler was cited for biting, it seems because a complaint was made during the match and the ref said the citing officer would come back to it.
These guys don't have any BMT, pressure came on and they totally lost it and went feral because they're mentally weak.
Terrible for the game nothing will come of any of these incidents, there'll be a court case one day when something goes seriously wrong I suspect. But excellent for the Boks they're all back in again, they can win the fight again next Saturday.
They're always terribly shit.
Rassie has been awesome. Never seen someone so in the heads of the UK media (and from their performance in this match the Lions players too). They haven't even worked out he's not coaching the team Nienaber is, and that's why Rassie has the time to do all this stuff. DoR does the off field bullshit. I don't recall anyone saying Rassie was coach, when he was the Stomps DoR and Coetzee was Stomps coach. It's hard not to laugh at how much they're losing their minds, the rugby section of UK papers is now mostly Rassie with a few paragraphs on the game at the end. It's like the Brendan Venter eating the biscuit incident but on a grand scale rolling on for days/weeks.
I'm starting to dislike this Lions team and management more and more. This is not only for their petty soccer like whinging and their filthy play, but because they are making me nod in agreement when I read some of what Ox posts
The Cape Town supporters, almost certainly hardcore Stomps to a man and woman, who cheered the team when they left the hotel ahead of the 2nd test and lined the road to the stadium cheering the team coach. Have my full respect and admiration. When I go to a test I always try to get the stadium early if I can to clap the team coach in through the gates and give the guys a thumbs up, some of the players have said in the past they like that and feed off the gees. But what the Stomps supporters did before the 2nd test was next level, they're not even able to watch the team in the stadium.
Stomps supporters actually seem okay.
Ox, there is no guarantee that those rugby supporters were also Stormers supporters._Os_ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:40 amThe Cape Town supporters, almost certainly hardcore Stomps to a man and woman, who cheered the team when they left the hotel ahead of the 2nd test and lined the road to the stadium cheering the team coach. Have my full respect and admiration. When I go to a test I always try to get the stadium early if I can to clap the team coach in through the gates and give the guys a thumbs up, some of the players have said in the past they like that and feed off the gees. But what the Stomps supporters did before the 2nd test was next level, they're not even able to watch the team in the stadium.
Stomps supporters actually seem okay.
Just because they live there, doesn't mean that they support the Stormers.
Since when did South Africans not like dirty play?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Like I said, Ox is one of the better posters on here._Os_ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:40 amThe Cape Town supporters, almost certainly hardcore Stomps to a man and woman, who cheered the team when they left the hotel ahead of the 2nd test and lined the road to the stadium cheering the team coach. Have my full respect and admiration. When I go to a test I always try to get the stadium early if I can to clap the team coach in through the gates and give the guys a thumbs up, some of the players have said in the past they like that and feed off the gees. But what the Stomps supporters did before the 2nd test was next level, they're not even able to watch the team in the stadium.
Stomps supporters actually seem okay.
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The last time a Springbok side was as dirty as this Lions side was in the early 2000s, Sky UK made a Rassie style documentary about it.
Meanwhile we're now in the 2020s and the "South Africans are always dirty" thing and the "South Africans are dumb morons you just beat them up violently and they've lost" thing is still believed by most in the UK. Didn't work out like that in this test, but it's still repeated.
If a player is going around biting player's and kneeling a player's neck, every Bok supporter I know will just think that player is a moron who is costing their team, if they're playing for us they'll want them deselected and gone. There's more leniency in views when it's a rugby incident (bad tackle etc) if it was a red or not, the only other times I can remember when there's been a shrug in response to foul play was when both participants clearly wanted to fight.
Hopefully you guys select players that want to win a cage fight for the next test again, they can then win their cage fight and our guys can play some rugby and score tries.
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Agree 100%. In the CC they are much more stricter then the refs in the two tests. The lions players and Hogg in particular took soccer diving to a new level._Os_ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:46 amThe last time a Springbok side was as dirty as this Lions side was in the early 2000s, Sky UK made a Rassie style documentary about it.
Meanwhile we're now in the 2020s and the "South Africans are always dirty" thing and the "South Africans are dumb morons you just beat them up violently and they've lost" thing is still believed by most in the UK. Didn't work out like that in this test, but it's still repeated.
If a player is going around biting player's and kneeling a player's neck, every Bok supporter I know will just think that player is a moron who is costing their team, if they're playing for us they'll want them deselected and gone. There's more leniency in views when it's a rugby incident (bad tackle etc) if it was a red or not, the only other times I can remember when there's been a shrug in response to foul play was when both participants clearly wanted to fight.
Hopefully you guys select players that want to win a cage fight for the next test again, they can then win their cage fight and our guys can play some rugby and score tries.
Is that how Scotland play their local competition. No wonder Koos vd Merwes laaitie want to play there.
The worst for me was Itoje after he was restricting De Allende's breathing, when he did his dramatic fall and appeal to the ref.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:56 amAgree 100%. In the CC they are much more stricter then the refs in the two tests. The lions players and Hogg in particular took soccer diving to a new level._Os_ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:46 amThe last time a Springbok side was as dirty as this Lions side was in the early 2000s, Sky UK made a Rassie style documentary about it.
Meanwhile we're now in the 2020s and the "South Africans are always dirty" thing and the "South Africans are dumb morons you just beat them up violently and they've lost" thing is still believed by most in the UK. Didn't work out like that in this test, but it's still repeated.
If a player is going around biting player's and kneeling a player's neck, every Bok supporter I know will just think that player is a moron who is costing their team, if they're playing for us they'll want them deselected and gone. There's more leniency in views when it's a rugby incident (bad tackle etc) if it was a red or not, the only other times I can remember when there's been a shrug in response to foul play was when both participants clearly wanted to fight.
Hopefully you guys select players that want to win a cage fight for the next test again, they can then win their cage fight and our guys can play some rugby and score tries.
Is that how Scotland play their local competition. No wonder Koos vd Merwes laaitie want to play there.
Any French soccer
player would be proud of those theatrics.Its embarrassing.
Meanwhile De Allende, once he could breathe, gets up and carries on winning the game
Perhaps the writing was on the wall from the first test and we just chose to ignore it. An undercooked Sprinbok side absolutely schooled the Lions in the first half before running out of steam in the second half, and still only losing by a few points. 1 week later, a fitter Sprinbok side absolutely strangled the life of out of the Lions who didnt fire a single shot.
What is clear is that Gatland's only tactic is to kick and hope, the Boks will eat that up all day long and do the same back with plenty to spare. If Gatland goes into the 3rd test using the same tacs, it will be an even worse beating for the Lions, i would rather they go down playing some rugby than by this sterile anti rugby shit they are putting out.
The dice need to be rolled and bigtime, Smith has to start, Russell for the good player that he is, is the wrong player for this game, the Boks are gonna come hard at home and he doesnt function well under that type of pressure, his go to is the kick pass, or the flat pass, and given the pressure the boks will be putting him under, guaranteed interception tries there, and the current batch of wings couldnt catch a cold.
Smith offers a running threat that none of then other 10's on tour do and i think that is the key to unlocking this Boks side.
What is clear is that Gatland's only tactic is to kick and hope, the Boks will eat that up all day long and do the same back with plenty to spare. If Gatland goes into the 3rd test using the same tacs, it will be an even worse beating for the Lions, i would rather they go down playing some rugby than by this sterile anti rugby shit they are putting out.
The dice need to be rolled and bigtime, Smith has to start, Russell for the good player that he is, is the wrong player for this game, the Boks are gonna come hard at home and he doesnt function well under that type of pressure, his go to is the kick pass, or the flat pass, and given the pressure the boks will be putting him under, guaranteed interception tries there, and the current batch of wings couldnt catch a cold.
Smith offers a running threat that none of then other 10's on tour do and i think that is the key to unlocking this Boks side.
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Not even the Nigerian soccer team would dive like that.OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:25 amA big man like Itoje got a fright for Milnerton's Ellendig and dive like Podba. Typical englishmen.
I don't remember you complaining about Gatland's hysterical rant about Marius Jonker.
Strange that
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You can add a fifth act of filth from the Lions from this match to add to our overcompensating, while you lot harp on about 'water boys'
Disgraceful.
https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/n ... uth-africaKyle Sinckler: British and Irish Lions forward cited for biting in second Test loss to South Africa
British and Irish Lions beaten 27-9 by South Africa in second Test; Kyle Sinckler will be hit with a minimum 12-week ban if the citing is upheld;
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Deeply unedifying stuff all round. Two unambitious sides fighting in an empty stadium, the backdrop to this being the most astonishing rant from a coach I've seen in pro sport.
The worst part is it clearly worked, meaning similarly abrasive coaches (Jones et al) and other teams with victim complexes (France, Ireland etc) will start to do this. But sure, we'll still see plenty about how morally superior rugby is because some people still call the ref 'sir'.
Don't expect much from Lions series, but not opposed to knocking the whole thing on the head if this is what we get after four years of build up.
The worst part is it clearly worked, meaning similarly abrasive coaches (Jones et al) and other teams with victim complexes (France, Ireland etc) will start to do this. But sure, we'll still see plenty about how morally superior rugby is because some people still call the ref 'sir'.
Don't expect much from Lions series, but not opposed to knocking the whole thing on the head if this is what we get after four years of build up.
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Sinckler the biter, Itoje the kneeler - is it time to ask questions about the culture that Eddie Jones is building in the England camp?
I wonder if being humiliated in the RWC 2019 final has broken these okes.
I wonder if being humiliated in the RWC 2019 final has broken these okes.
Mechanisms exist to deal with foul play.
Normalising a sustained attack on match officials will cause long term damage - hopefully WR will sanction SARU for dragging the game into disrepute.
Would add again a few of you were terrible losers last week and awful winners this week - its not a good look.
Normalising a sustained attack on match officials will cause long term damage - hopefully WR will sanction SARU for dragging the game into disrepute.
Would add again a few of you were terrible losers last week and awful winners this week - its not a good look.
It should have been stopped due to Covid.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:09 am Deeply unedifying stuff all round. Two unambitious sides fighting in an empty stadium, the backdrop to this being the most astonishing rant from a coach I've seen in pro sport.
The worst part is it clearly worked, meaning similarly abrasive coaches (Jones et al) and other teams with victim complexes (France, Ireland etc) will start to do this. But sure, we'll still see plenty about how morally superior rugby is because some people still call the ref 'sir'.
Don't expect much from Lions series, but not opposed to knocking the whole thing on the head if this is what we get after four years of build up.
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Yes I fully agreesorCrer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:12 amIt should have been stopped due to Covid.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:09 am Deeply unedifying stuff all round. Two unambitious sides fighting in an empty stadium, the backdrop to this being the most astonishing rant from a coach I've seen in pro sport.
The worst part is it clearly worked, meaning similarly abrasive coaches (Jones et al) and other teams with victim complexes (France, Ireland etc) will start to do this. But sure, we'll still see plenty about how morally superior rugby is because some people still call the ref 'sir'.
Don't expect much from Lions series, but not opposed to knocking the whole thing on the head if this is what we get after four years of build up.
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:09 am Deeply unedifying stuff all round. Two unambitious sides fighting in an empty stadium, the backdrop to this being the most astonishing rant from a coach I've seen in pro sport.
The worst part is it clearly worked, meaning similarly abrasive coaches (Jones et al) and other teams with victim complexes (France, Ireland etc) will start to do this. But sure, we'll still see plenty about how morally superior rugby is because some people still call the ref 'sir'.
Don't expect much from Lions series, but not opposed to knocking the whole thing on the head if this is what we get after four years of build up.
Springboks, Stormers and WP supporter.
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:09 am Deeply unedifying stuff all round. Two unambitious sides fighting in an empty stadium, the backdrop to this being the most astonishing rant from a coach I've seen in pro sport.
The worst part is it clearly worked, meaning similarly abrasive coaches (Jones et al) and other teams with victim complexes (France, Ireland etc) will start to do this. But sure, we'll still see plenty about how morally superior rugby is because some people still call the ref 'sir'.
Don't expect much from Lions series, but not opposed to knocking the whole thing on the head if this is what we get after four years of build up.
This is the salient point - if their are no consequences every coach will need to start doing it or fall behind in the race to influence the ref before a big game. Secondly its crossed a line and is damaging one of the better things about rugby (respect for match officials) something which will reverberate long after a single test match or Lions series.
FWIW I think Gatland has flirted with this before in comments he's made but Rassie (and the SARU by backing him) have taken it to a whole new level.,
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The tour should have been played in the UK. There is full stadiums there from the Euro Football. Enough saffers in the UK to make a decent atmosphere.