Worst terrorist ever

[GogLais]

Pretty much confirmed as another Islamic terrorist attack

And take your pick, either targeting a women’s hospital full of babies or a cathedral hosting a Remembrance Day service. Top lads.

Not sure it is, the beeb saying he's converted to Christianity. Although could've lapsed or cynically used the conversion for asylum I guess.

Agree though what a scumbag. Very lucky nobody died.

If he's a failed asylum seeker I thought he'd be in a yarls wood type place?

No one should buy this converted to Christianity shit. His ‘conversion’ was only so the bedwetters wouldn’t send the cunt home as it would be dangerous for him in his backwards medieval country as a supposed apostate

I guess he hasn’t done any favours to those trying to get into the EU from Belarus.

[Torquemada 1420]

Well, you're the one demanding solutions that can cover even bizarre people like this guy, so what's your idea beyond silly "salt the earth" reprisals?

You just don't get it. This guy isn't something you can hope to disappear by explaining away as some odd lone nutjob . There is a very significant number of Islamists worldwide who believe in the hard core version. They may not want to join in (die themselves) or even encourage these acts but equally, they are either generally supportive or simply ambivalent.

There is no solution because, as I have pointed out, these "martyrs" are coming of an endless production line where your only permanent solution is one which is beyond you. It's beyond our collective palates because it's now so far outside of our moral framework. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the last times the West** was ever going to be able to take such final action (maybe if the brown hoards are storming Capitol Hill, someone will do a George Taylor).

Meantime, I shall continue to wear my shemagh whilst travelling in the East. As for you lot, I suggest you keep your eyes open and stay away from the shadows.

**Not sure the Russians or the Chinese will be quite so measured. The latter already meting out their own final solution to their Muslims (threatening or not).

[Sandstorm]

Well, you're the one demanding solutions that can cover even bizarre people like this guy, so what's your idea beyond silly "salt the earth" reprisals?

You just don't get it. This guy isn't something you can hope to disappear by explaining away as some odd lone nutjob . There is a very significant number of Islamists worldwide who believe in the hard core version. They may not want to join in (die themselves) or even encourage these acts but equally, they are either generally supportive or simply ambivalent.

There is no solution because, as I have pointed out, these "martyrs" are coming of an endless production line where your only permanent solution is one which is beyond you. It's beyond our collective palates because it's now so far outside of our moral framework. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the last times the West** was ever going to be able to take such final action (maybe if the brown hoards are storming Capitol Hill, someone will do a George Taylor).

Meantime, I shall continue to wear my shemagh whilst travelling in the East. As for you lot, I suggest you keep your eyes open and stay away from the shadows.

**Not sure the Russians or the Chinese will be quite so measured. The latter already meting out their own final solution to their Muslims (threatening or not).

You sound like Dozy.

[notfatcat]

No way would Dozy admit the Chinese are oppressing the Uighurs. It's a western media-driven myth according to him.

[Happyhooker]

Well, you're the one demanding solutions that can cover even bizarre people like this guy, so what's your idea beyond silly "salt the earth" reprisals?

You just don't get it. This guy isn't something you can hope to disappear by explaining away as some odd lone nutjob . There is a very significant number of Islamists worldwide who believe in the hard core version. They may not want to join in (die themselves) or even encourage these acts but equally, they are either generally supportive or simply ambivalent.

There is no solution because, as I have pointed out, these "martyrs" are coming of an endless production line where your only permanent solution is one which is beyond you. It's beyond our collective palates because it's now so far outside of our moral framework. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the last times the West** was ever going to be able to take such final action (maybe if the brown hoards are storming Capitol Hill, someone will do a George Taylor).

Meantime, I shall continue to wear my shemagh whilst travelling in the East. As for you lot, I suggest you keep your eyes open and stay away from the shadows.

**Not sure the Russians or the Chinese will be quite so measured. The latter already meting out their own final solution to their Muslims (threatening or not).

You've lost it son

[Torquemada 1420]

You've lost it son

You are dealing with something you don't understand. Your superior, white, middle class consciences won't permit you to see or admit it. Very hard to kill an ideology except by "killing" the ideologists. In this case (to steal a line), the ideology can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear.

It wants nothing that you value: the reverse, it wants to destroy it all. You lot have helped paint yourselves into a corner from which there is no escape.

[colonel]

What the more informed amongst us are trying to tell you wilfully blind idiots is that they are already upon us!

Its no distance at all from "unable to unlock a car from the inside" to "organised and motivated brainwashed army of sufficient force to overwhelm the cultures and militaries of such disparate, scattered and cowering entities as the US, western Europe and China"

So, using phrases such as 'final solution' (something thats been tried before with only some success) to apply to actions taken by the US in WW2, the proposal is to, I think, nuke all countries that harbour a possibility of extreme jihadist ideology. I dont know if you need a particular % of confirmed extremism in a country as Im a little concerned about having to kill everyone in Britain with a cleansing & righteous nuclear fire because theres 3 arseholes in Reading planning to drive a car into a dental clinic or something but then Im a bit on the liberal side and dont understand the need for 'the final solution'

Perhaps we only turn majority muslim countries to dust with the hope that losing everyone across the middle east, much of SE asia and parts of Africa to decades of fallout doesnt, somehow, have a knock on effect on everybody else
Now, Im sure this wont have a radicalising effect on anyone in countries Torq has decided dont require genocide but just in case, and as part of the final solution anyway, maybe we can round them up and put them somewhere we can control them. Dont want to give up too much land or create too many security overheads so the places where we put them should be relatively small, a large number of anyone we've decided is suspicious enough per square meter. Theres a word for that but it escapes me at the moment.

[Slick]

What the more informed amongst us are trying to tell you wilfully blind idiots is that they are already upon us!

Its no distance at all from "unable to unlock a car from the inside" to "organised and motivated brainwashed army of sufficient force to overwhelm the cultures and militaries of such disparate, scattered and cowering entities as the US, western Europe and China"

So, using phrases such as 'final solution' (something thats been tried before with only some success) to apply to actions taken by the US in WW2, the proposal is to, I think, nuke all countries that harbour a possibility of extreme jihadist ideology. I dont know if you need a particular % of confirmed extremism in a country as Im a little concerned about having to kill everyone in Britain with a cleansing & righteous nuclear fire because theres 3 arseholes in Reading planning to drive a car into a dental clinic or something but then Im a bit on the liberal side and dont understand the need for 'the final solution'

Perhaps we only turn majority muslim countries to dust with the hope that losing everyone across the middle east, much of SE asia and parts of Africa to decades of fallout doesnt, somehow, have a knock on effect on everybody else
Now, Im sure this wont have a radicalising effect on anyone in countries Torq has decided dont require genocide but just in case, and as part of the final solution anyway, maybe we can round them up and put them somewhere we can control them. Dont want to give up too much land or create too many security overheads so the places where we put them should be relatively small, a large number of anyone we've decided is suspicious enough per square meter. Theres a word for that but it escapes me at the moment.

k'ing brilliant.

[Torquemada 1420]

So, using phrases such as 'final solution' (something thats been tried before with only some success) to apply to actions taken by the US in WW2, the proposal is to, I think, nuke all countries that harbour a possibility of extreme jihadist ideology. I dont know if you need a particular % of confirmed extremism in a country as Im a little concerned about having to kill everyone in Britain with a cleansing & righteous nuclear fire because theres 3 arseholes in Reading planning to drive a car into a dental clinic or something but then Im a bit on the liberal side and dont understand the need for 'the final solution'

Already pointed out that The Kurtz solution is only theoretical but your bit in red is a little strange. Did you miss a couple of Gulf Wars or Afghanistan where that's precisely what happened i.e. someone decided that killing swathes of innocents was acceptable in pursuit of an anti terrorist policy? And JM is going to jump in and claim that it was precisely this behaviour which has created this situation. But it's not: it has certainly exacerbated it and probably accelerated it. And if that's not what you wanted then either you should have left alone or taken the action to the necessary conclusion.

Again, the situation is now intractable. This threat is not the IRA or the Vietcong. They don't want anything you have to offer and so trying to bargain with a slice of your cake isn't going to work. They want to destroy everything you have so offering any of it is as an appeasement is a non sequitur.

However, your last line is spot on because it's where you'll be stuck for the foreseeable future i.e. having to put up with an "acceptable" periodic loss of innocent lives whilst remaining powerless to prevent another one (and making utterances along the lines of "we shall not bow to terrorism"). When the 3 arseholes have gone to lie with their 21 virgins, there will be 3 more waiting in line.

[colonel]

I suppose I’ll give you enough respect to leave room for the possibility that your missing of the point was wilful

[Happyhooker]

You've lost it son

You are dealing with something you don't understand. Your superior, white, middle class consciences won't permit you to see or admit it. Very hard to kill an ideology except by "killing" the ideologists. In this case (to steal a line), the ideology can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear.

It wants nothing that you value: the reverse, it wants to destroy it all. You lot have helped paint yourselves into a corner from which there is no escape.

"You lot"

You've completely jumped the shark laddo

[Torquemada 1420]

"You lot"

You've completely jumped the shark laddo

Whatever shorty.

[Uncle fester]

Well, you're the one demanding solutions that can cover even bizarre people like this guy, so what's your idea beyond silly "salt the earth" reprisals?

You just don't get it. This guy isn't something you can hope to disappear by explaining away as some odd lone nutjob . There is a very significant number of Islamists worldwide who believe in the hard core version. They may not want to join in (die themselves) or even encourage these acts but equally, they are either generally supportive or simply ambivalent.

There is no solution because, as I have pointed out, these "martyrs" are coming of an endless production line where your only permanent solution is one which is beyond you. It's beyond our collective palates because it's now so far outside of our moral framework. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the last times the West** was ever going to be able to take such final action (maybe if the brown hoards are storming Capitol Hill, someone will do a George Taylor).

Meantime, I shall continue to wear my shemagh whilst travelling in the East. As for you lot, I suggest you keep your eyes open and stay away from the shadows.

**Not sure the Russians or the Chinese will be quite so measured. The latter already meting out their own final solution to their Muslims (threatening or not).

Hmm. I wonder why.

Suggest you do a bit of reading on the history of NI and how the IRA were a marginalised, weak organisation until the nationalist population realised that there was no point in staying in the middle ground.

[Torquemada 1420]

Well, you're the one demanding solutions that can cover even bizarre people like this guy, so what's your idea beyond silly "salt the earth" reprisals?

You just don't get it. This guy isn't something you can hope to disappear by explaining away as some odd lone nutjob . There is a very significant number of Islamists worldwide who believe in the hard core version. They may not want to join in (die themselves) or even encourage these acts but equally, they are either generally supportive or simply ambivalent.

There is no solution because, as I have pointed out, these "martyrs" are coming of an endless production line where your only permanent solution is one which is beyond you. It's beyond our collective palates because it's now so far outside of our moral framework. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the last times the West** was ever going to be able to take such final action (maybe if the brown hoards are storming Capitol Hill, someone will do a George Taylor).

Meantime, I shall continue to wear my shemagh whilst travelling in the East. As for you lot, I suggest you keep your eyes open and stay away from the shadows.

**Not sure the Russians or the Chinese will be quite so measured. The latter already meting out their own final solution to their Muslims (threatening or not).

Hmm. I wonder why.

Suggest you do a bit of reading on the history of NI and how the IRA were a marginalised, weak organisation until the nationalist population realised that there was no point in staying in the middle ground.

Is there a context to your point?