Its a lucky that UK Politicians have been doing such an outstanding job keeping those good relations with the EU goingTichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:04 pmfishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:57 pmAbsolutely; & if they could put them on the outside of the shipping containers too; that'll make it much easier for the French, Dutch, & Belgian officials to know which trucks they need move over to the; EPIQ Lane*.
* Excruciatingly Pedantic Inspection Queue
Some folk might think that's a joke, but when I worked in France we used to have to import fence wire/netting and tools from New Zealand to the UK and then get them shipped out to France.
Direct imports would spend months and months.... and months in a warehouse in Marseille - this went back to Rainbow Warrior apparently.
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On agreements of this scale the details to be worked on, appended and renegotiated can range into the hundreds and thousands line by line even for a basic free trade agreement with principled commitments attached... it's why continued dialogue and trust between partners is so crucial for them to work + survive change of governments.weegie01 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:04 pmBoth sides are at fault for not agreeing the mechanism by which proof of historic fishing would be provided. Having said that, it is not unreasonable to expect there to be proof.
Frankly, an awful lot of detail seems to have been missed in relation to this issue, perhaps because the overall agreement between the EU and UK was much wider and this issue relates only to a relatively small number of boats that are nearly all French in a small geographic area.
One of the features of the situation is the difference of burden of proof application between Jersey and Guernsey, in that the latter has been better able to work through and isn't the source of issues for similar scenarios. Weakens our position of "they aren't meeting the standards we set". Be the whole bitch etc...
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Well the 2nd one is an article about an; "Independent Economist", who just happens to write articles for Brexit loving website; while the 1st one is just someone looking at the assessments of the OnS & BoE.
But it is interesting to observe the Express doing a supertanker speed, change of course.
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Any UK Media reporting this ?
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1 ... s-delayed/
Why else would the UK be turning down the income stream from customs duties; & risk the wrath of other WTO countries ?
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1 ... s-delayed/
So it turns out the UK does need us; more than we need them !Britain delays post-Brexit checks on goods from Ireland for EU talks
The British government has announced it is putting off the introduction of full customs controls on goods moving from Ireland into Britain.
It says the controls, which were due to come in on 1 January, cannot be implemented while the Northern Ireland Protocol is under negotiation.
The Tánaiste said it was a "welcome and sensible move which will be good news for Irish exporters and farmers especially at this time of year".
Leo Varadkar added: "Advice on preparing for future customs checks is available from Enterprise Ireland."
In a written statement today, EU negotiator David Frost said Britain will temporarily delay implementing customs and veterinary controls on goods moving into Britain from Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Checks on incoming goods from the European Union - covering mainly food and agricultural products - are due to come into force on January 1, bringing post-Brexit customs arrangements with the bloc in line with those with the rest of world.
Why else would the UK be turning down the income stream from customs duties; & risk the wrath of other WTO countries ?
Not really a great surprise, UK technically nor logistically not ready to do this and the DUP would go mad and start instructing their 'friends' to cause trouble.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:34 pm Any UK Media reporting this ?
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1 ... s-delayed/
So it turns out the UK does need us; more than we need them !Britain delays post-Brexit checks on goods from Ireland for EU talks
The British government has announced it is putting off the introduction of full customs controls on goods moving from Ireland into Britain.
It says the controls, which were due to come in on 1 January, cannot be implemented while the Northern Ireland Protocol is under negotiation.
The Tánaiste said it was a "welcome and sensible move which will be good news for Irish exporters and farmers especially at this time of year".
Leo Varadkar added: "Advice on preparing for future customs checks is available from Enterprise Ireland."
In a written statement today, EU negotiator David Frost said Britain will temporarily delay implementing customs and veterinary controls on goods moving into Britain from Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Checks on incoming goods from the European Union - covering mainly food and agricultural products - are due to come into force on January 1, bringing post-Brexit customs arrangements with the bloc in line with those with the rest of world.
Why else would the UK be turning down the income stream from customs duties; & risk the wrath of other WTO countries ?
UK Gov will be 'delighted' that there is so many other distractions on the go so the general public won't notice what the omnishambles that is going to happen at the border.
It was interesting that the lib dems used Brexit being shit for farmers in the by election. It was a constituency that voted heavily for Brexit. I think Johnson's shit Brexit deal could start to be a line of attack (certainly for the lib Dems and hopefully for labour).
Logical way to go as long as you can say "I told you so" politely.petej wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:07 amIt was interesting that the lib dems used Brexit being shit for farmers in the by election. It was a constituency that voted heavily for Brexit. I think Johnson's shit Brexit deal could start to be a line of attack (certainly for the lib Dems and hopefully for labour).
Indeed. Once Johnson is widely regarded as a lying conman presenting Johnson's Brexit as a con is easier.GogLais wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:24 amLogical way to go as long as you can say "I told you so" politely.petej wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:07 amIt was interesting that the lib dems used Brexit being shit for farmers in the by election. It was a constituency that voted heavily for Brexit. I think Johnson's shit Brexit deal could start to be a line of attack (certainly for the lib Dems and hopefully for labour).
Don’t even need to say I told you so. The line is, yes I was a remainder but I fully accept the vote. However this constant shambles of a conservative government has totally bolloxed it up, and absolutely destroyed the industries they were meant to be protecting.GogLais wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:24 amLogical way to go as long as you can say "I told you so" politely.petej wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:07 amIt was interesting that the lib dems used Brexit being shit for farmers in the by election. It was a constituency that voted heavily for Brexit. I think Johnson's shit Brexit deal could start to be a line of attack (certainly for the lib Dems and hopefully for labour).
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Unfortunately, we ain't seen nothing yet!!!Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:49 amDon’t even need to say I told you so. The line is, yes I was a remainder but I fully accept the vote. However this constant shambles of a conservative government has totally bolloxed it up, and absolutely destroyed the industries they were meant to be protecting.GogLais wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:24 amLogical way to go as long as you can say "I told you so" politely.petej wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:07 am
It was interesting that the lib dems used Brexit being shit for farmers in the by election. It was a constituency that voted heavily for Brexit. I think Johnson's shit Brexit deal could start to be a line of attack (certainly for the lib Dems and hopefully for labour).
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Whatever could he have wanted to discuss with them ?
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The candidate for this week's by-election made some very pro NHS privatisation remarks, this idea isn't going away and I fear that another Tory win at the next election will be curtains for the NHS. All the praise from the top Tories about what a great job the NHS have done during the pandemic ring ever more hollow
Will have to be done by stealth. You could start charging the population under 40s for more of their health care needs.tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:06 pmThe candidate for this week's by-election made some very pro NHS privatisation remarks, this idea isn't going away and I fear that another Tory win at the next election will be curtains for the NHS. All the praise from the top Tories about what a great job the NHS have done during the pandemic ring ever more hollow
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Charge your core voters for healthcare? Good luck.petej wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:23 pmWill have to be done by stealth. You could start charging the population under 40s for more of their health care needs.tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:06 pmThe candidate for this week's by-election made some very pro NHS privatisation remarks, this idea isn't going away and I fear that another Tory win at the next election will be curtains for the NHS. All the praise from the top Tories about what a great job the NHS have done during the pandemic ring ever more hollow
They'll charge young people who don't vote for them if anything.
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Cut everything, underfund whilst claiming record investment (statistics are great), hive off bits to the private sector whilst no-one is looking and finally sell it off (well, the good bits) at a massive undervalue to the chums in order to save it.
Edit: Seats on boards all round!
Edit: Seats on boards all round!
I was trying to say charge the under 40's to pay for their own health care directly while taxing them to cover the Tory voters/over 60's health care.I like neeps wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:27 pmCharge your core voters for healthcare? Good luck.
They'll charge young people who don't vote for them if anything.
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So Frost has resigned - something to do with unhappy with government decision re Plan B for covid. For me he is just shitting himself about the debacle that happens on the 1st January and the shitshow when the UK have to implement Custom checks and tariffs and is off before he gets the blame. Another body blow for the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras will be very unhappy. I suspect the trickle of rats deserting the sinking ship will become a flood very quickly now.
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So he put in his papers last week; but the PM didn't feel it necessary to let the rest of Parliament know; until after they'd gone into recess. And last week was when they backed down on the ECJ; & gave up on the article 16 farce.dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:28 pm So Frost has resigned - something to do with unhappy with government decision re Plan B for covid. For me he is just shitting himself about the debacle that happens on the 1st January and the shitshow when the UK have to implement Custom checks and tariffs and is off before he gets the blame. Another body blow for the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras will be very unhappy. I suspect the trickle of rats deserting the sinking ship will become a flood very quickly now.
The only worry is, now he'll go looking thru the frothing loons in the ERG for a replacement.
This is fucking unbelievabledpedin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:28 pm So Frost has resigned - something to do with unhappy with government decision re Plan B for covid. For me he is just shitting himself about the debacle that happens on the 1st January and the shitshow when the UK have to implement Custom checks and tariffs and is off before he gets the blame. Another body blow for the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras will be very unhappy. I suspect the trickle of rats deserting the sinking ship will become a flood very quickly now.
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I wasn't one for the thinking of "this is the beginning of the end for the bumblecunt", but the unelected bureaucrat supposedly resigning over a policy choice outside his mandate will just further erode HoC support base as he was clearly popular with the party. It doesn't matter if it was over Covid restrictions or not (believable for me, Frost has been pushing his non-Brexit shit for over a year now), that is what the nutters will believe.
I hope the sprogs are constantly loud and happy screaming children and within earshot all night long.
In terms of next election, surely if Bojo goes before summer then the candidates will have to wonder whether there is too much time to show themselves incompetent during a tricky recovery period and risk losing the GE.
I hope the sprogs are constantly loud and happy screaming children and within earshot all night long.
In terms of next election, surely if Bojo goes before summer then the candidates will have to wonder whether there is too much time to show themselves incompetent during a tricky recovery period and risk losing the GE.
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This is fairly amusing. Hard man of Brexit Steve Baker putting the hammer down and crushing dissent in the Loony Toons Tory MP Brexit splinter group
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Frost.
He came, he saw, he shat his pants and claimed it as a victory for the radical new clothes dyeing process he'd just invented.
He came, he saw, he shat his pants and claimed it as a victory for the radical new clothes dyeing process he'd just invented.
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He resigned before the policy he's resigning in protest of was announced? Incredible foresight.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:39 pmSo he put in his papers last week; but the PM didn't feel it necessary to let the rest of Parliament know; until after they'd gone into recess. And last week was when they backed down on the ECJ; & gave up on the article 16 farce.dpedin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:28 pm So Frost has resigned - something to do with unhappy with government decision re Plan B for covid. For me he is just shitting himself about the debacle that happens on the 1st January and the shitshow when the UK have to implement Custom checks and tariffs and is off before he gets the blame. Another body blow for the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras will be very unhappy. I suspect the trickle of rats deserting the sinking ship will become a flood very quickly now.
The only worry is, now he'll go looking thru the frothing loons in the ERG for a replacement.
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HIGNFY twitter
Lord Frost reportedly furious with the terms of his resignation after negotiating them himself.
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
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Liz Truss is, "replacing", Frost
The Bumblecunt has decided she's now a real threat; & he's going to bugger up her challenge. But she'll probably do exactly the same as Frost; & resign, when she thinks the moment is right to go for the Leadership; & she'll use the same self serving reasons as Frost.
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Glad to see that the attention is likely to switch back to cheese focused negotiations
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How is she going to face the EU team; & expect them to take her seriously; when she's written the definitive record of how her Government isn't complying with the deal it signed with the EU ?
From the Secretary of State, Department for International Trade:
Dear Rishi and Michael,
I am writing to you to set out my key areas of concern on border policy risks and readiness for the end of the transition period and to seek your assurance that these concerns will be addressed. This letter comes in advance of the Border Operating Model publication on 13 July, where the UK's proposals for the border will come under renewed scrutiny, both on the domestic and international stage.
My key concerns are outlined below:
1) The Staged Approach and WTO Challenge - When we exit the Transition Period, the UK will be vulnerable to WTO challenge regarding its border regime. This is especially relevant concerning the implementation of the NI protocol and the application of the staged approach. These measures could significantly impact on the UK's reputation at the WTO and I would appreciate your assurance that full border checks for EU-GB goods will be implemented no later than July 2021 and that all messaging will clearly reflect this point. I would also like to underscore that, where there is a risk of legal challenge at the WTO, departments are responsible for mitigating the risk and for funding the costs of any defensive trade dispute brought against their measures. Given this risk, I was pleased to hear that following the XO meeting last Friday, it was decided that the temporary waiving of export declarations will not be included in the publication. I would want to be part of any decision to revisit this, either with reference to the publication, or plans thereafter.
2) Controls at the Border - I recognise there are challenges to delivering tariff declaration systems on both EU and Rest of World (RoW) imports but, to ensure we can develop appropriate handling plans for national and international stakeholders, it is essential that my department has a clear view of operation delivery plans, timescales and risks going forward. This is also particularly important for controlled goods at those EU-facing ports where the infrastructure to implement controls does not currently exist. Given the legal, reputational and security risks, I would like assurances that we are able to deliver full controls at these ports by July 2021 and that plans are in place from January to mitigate the risk of goods being circumvented from ports implementing full controls.
3) Tariff Assessment and Collection - I have some further concerns about tariff collection due to the staging in approach, especially around the increased likelihood of circumvention, where RoW traders could import their goods via the EU. This would undermine the effective operation of our trade policy, as well as create significant handling difficulties with negotiating partners. For example, it might lead to remedy tariffs being circumvented, due to a lack of checks at the border, in addition to impacts on TRQs. I therefore would like firm assurances that mitigation against such risks are in place. Further, I am seeking assurance that tariffs on goods from RoW, specifically from countries where the Trade Agreements Continuity programme applies, will also be payable from 1 January 2021 and will be collected within one month as is currently the case.
4) Northern Ireland Protocol risks- I understand that the digital delivery of the dual tariff system (both EU and UK tariff) in Northern Ireland is a high risk and that HMRC are planning to apply the EU tariff as a default to all imports in NI on 1 January 2021. This is very concerning as this may call into question NI's place in the UK's customs territory. Failure to deliver the UK tariff digitally in NI, would have political, legal, and reputational risks. I am keen to see HMRC and BPDG delivery plans, specifically on how both the UK and EU tariff will be digitally implemented, including detailed mitigations, and where there are risks to delivery by 1 January 2021. These plans should also include details of when commodity code divergence will be delivered for the whole of the UK.
As we fast approach the end of the transition period, we need to ensure that the UK border is effective and compliant with international rules, maintaining our credibility with trading partners, the WTO and with business. I encourage the continued close cooperation of officials in our departments to achieve this.
I am copying this letter to the Home Secretary.
And opening up new pork markets......tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:24 pm Glad to see that the attention is likely to switch back to cheese focused negotiations
Over the hills and far away........
Pork and cheese. Both bloody awesomesalanya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:08 pmAnd opening up new pork markets......tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:24 pm Glad to see that the attention is likely to switch back to cheese focused negotiations
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Well at least you don't need butchers to slaughter cheese ....
She will definitely do the same as Frost and bumblecunt (resigned to off Theresa May). Dealing with Brexit is like dealing with a bucket of shit and vomit but they wanted it so they can't dispose of it or clean it up so are endlessly passing it around themselves while pretending it is great and definitely not a bucket of shit and vomit.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:04 pm
Liz Truss is, "replacing", Frost
The Bumblecunt has decided she's now a real threat; & he's going to bugger up her challenge. But she'll probably do exactly the same as Frost; & resign, when she thinks the moment is right to go for the Leadership; & she'll use the same self serving reasons as Frost.
Boris wants her in the tent with him! They really don't know what to do next with Brexit and know the new border controls coming on 1st January are going to be a shitshow. Apparently the US is leaning very hard on UK to not feck with the GFA so expect further capitulations announced soon dressed up as a Boris victory but don't think the DUP will see it that way and I expect some real trouble from them re NIP. Whichever way they turn the Gov is fecked.petej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:32 pmShe will definitely do the same as Frost and bumblecunt (resigned to off Theresa May). Dealing with Brexit is like dealing with a bucket of shit and vomit but they wanted it so they can't dispose of it or clean it up so are endlessly passing it around themselves while pretending it is great and definitely not a bucket of shit and vomit.fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:04 pm
Liz Truss is, "replacing", Frost
The Bumblecunt has decided she's now a real threat; & he's going to bugger up her challenge. But she'll probably do exactly the same as Frost; & resign, when she thinks the moment is right to go for the Leadership; & she'll use the same self serving reasons as Frost.