Maxwell Guilty

[Slick]

6 of the 7 charges

[Sandstorm]

“ She was found guilty of all, except the second count, enticement of an individual under the age of 17 to travel with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity”

Weird. I thought that one was a slam-dunk.

[Ymx]

So what’s the damage?

Does sentencing come later?

[I like neeps]

Hope they remember to keep the tapes of her cell this time and she releases the black book to mitigate her fate.

Very excited to see how the Spectator react after their Ghislaine is innocent puff pieces they've run the last few months. Of course Andrew Neil the "papers" chairman was in her black book. So maybe that's why but I have a feeling as she knew Boris Johnson it's something to do with him.

[Kawazaki]

Is the one she was found not guilty of the 'biggie' or has she been found guilty of something that will put her away for a long time?

[Grandpa]

Bill will be happy.... his cyst has been burst...

[Grandpa]

Is the one she was found not guilty of the 'biggie' or has she been found guilty of something that will put her away for a long time?

Maxwell has been found guilty on five of six counts - including the most serious charge, that of sex trafficking of a minor.

This carries a possible 40-year sentence, which means the 60-year-old could spend the rest of her life behind bars.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-u ... a-59435616

[Slick]

Is the one she was found not guilty of the 'biggie' or has she been found guilty of something that will put her away for a long time?

Apparently “sex trafficking of a minor” was the biggie that can carry 40 years

[Ymx]

Count 1: Conspiracy to entice a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts - maximum sentence of five years

Count 3: Conspiracy to transport a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity - maximum sentence of five years

Count 4: Transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity - maximum sentence of 10 years

Count 5: Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors - maximum sentence of five years

Count 6: Sex trafficking of minors - maximum sentence of 40 years

She was found not guilty of the sixth, for enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts.

[Grandpa]

Strange... as the charges seem interlinked... I guess there was lack of evidence of enticement... even though she was guilty of conspiracy to entice... does that mean she got someone else to do it?

[Hugo]

Thank God. I have not followed the trial at all but was worried that she would somehow evade justice.

[Enzedder]

I liked Epstein's sentence the best. I wonder if that can be used a few more times

[Marylandolorian]

Strange... as the charges seem interlinked... I guess there was lack of evidence of enticement... even though she was guilty of conspiracy to entice... does that mean she got someone else to do it?

1-3-5 have a max of 5 years each, 4 ten years and 6 forty.

[Chilli]

I hope that she rots in jail.

[Gumboot]

I hope that she rots in jail.

Me too, but I hope she squeals on all her co-conspirators before she decomposes completely.

[robmatic]

Strange... as the charges seem interlinked... I guess there was lack of evidence of enticement... even though she was guilty of conspiracy to entice... does that mean she got someone else to do it?

Wonder if they will bother prosecute any of the blokes who carried out the 'criminal sexual activity' that she was convicted for enabling.

[Sandstorm]

I hope that she rots in jail.

Me too, but I hope she squeals on all her co-conspirators before she decomposes completely.

She said nothing pre-trial to try to get a reduced sentence. Why would she squeal now? She’s still loyal to Epstein, the horrible bitch.

[dpedin]

I hope that she rots in jail.

Me too, but I hope she squeals on all her co-conspirators before she decomposes completely.

She said nothing pre-trial to try to get a reduced sentence. Why would she squeal now? She’s still loyal to Epstein, the horrible bitch.

The US is a strange place ... I wonder if they will offer her a deal to reduce her sentence if she provides evidence about others involved in the sex crimes? Until now she might have thought she was going to get off, she might still think her appeal will be successful. However once it is clear to her she is destined to rot in jail forever then she might change her stance and look for a deal so she at least has a chance of being free before she dies? There must be some very sweaty old men at the moment!

[Ymx]

Me too, but I hope she squeals on all her co-conspirators before she decomposes completely.

She said nothing pre-trial to try to get a reduced sentence. Why would she squeal now? She’s still loyal to Epstein, the horrible bitch.

The US is a strange place ... I wonder if they will offer her a deal to reduce her sentence if she provides evidence about others involved in the sex crimes? Until now she might have thought she was going to get off, she might still think her appeal will be successful. However once it is clear to her she is destined to rot in jail forever then she might change her stance and look for a deal so she at least has a chance of being free before she dies? There must be some very sweaty old men at the moment!

I shouldn’t but

[petej]

She said nothing pre-trial to try to get a reduced sentence. Why would she squeal now? She’s still loyal to Epstein, the horrible bitch.

The US is a strange place ... I wonder if they will offer her a deal to reduce her sentence if she provides evidence about others involved in the sex crimes? Until now she might have thought she was going to get off, she might still think her appeal will be successful. However once it is clear to her she is destined to rot in jail forever then she might change her stance and look for a deal so she at least has a chance of being free before she dies? There must be some very sweaty old men at the moment!

I shouldn’t but

I suspect the maga king is one of them though he will likely evade charges due to reduced mental capacity if they ever come.

[TB63]

The US is a strange place ... I wonder if they will offer her a deal to reduce her sentence if she provides evidence about others involved in the sex crimes? Until now she might have thought she was going to get off, she might still think her appeal will be successful. However once it is clear to her she is destined to rot in jail forever then she might change her stance and look for a deal so she at least has a chance of being free before she dies? There must be some very sweaty old men at the moment!

I shouldn’t but

I suspect the maga king is one of them though he will likely evade charges due to reduced mental capacity if they ever come.

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[Ymx]

Very good!

Though probably not Piers Morgan given his recent quote

Taking to Twitter, Piers took a swipe at the Duke of York, mocking his excuse in view of his 7.9 million followers.

"Will vile sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell now sing like a canary to avoid spending the rest of her life in prison?" he wondered.

"If she does, there could be a lot of rich, powerful & famous people sweating tonight... and not sweating."

[Slick]

The US is a strange place ... I wonder if they will offer her a deal to reduce her sentence if she provides evidence about others involved in the sex crimes? Until now she might have thought she was going to get off, she might still think her appeal will be successful. However once it is clear to her she is destined to rot in jail forever then she might change her stance and look for a deal so she at least has a chance of being free before she dies? There must be some very sweaty old men at the moment!

I shouldn’t but

I suspect the maga king is one of them though he will likely evade charges due to reduced mental capacity if they ever come.

To be honest, I’m not sure The Don is caught up in this. He was pretty unequivocal about what he thought of Epstein even before all this blew up.

[I like neeps]

Not surprised the BBC messed up on this one. Must be getting quite hard to find people to stick up for Prince Andrew so Epstein's former lawyer who got him his sweetheart deal and someone facing the same accusations as Andy is a good a bet as any.

[Hugo]

I shouldn’t but

I suspect the maga king is one of them though he will likely evade charges due to reduced mental capacity if they ever come.

To be honest, I’m not sure The Don is caught up in this. He was pretty unequivocal about what he thought of Epstein even before all this blew up.

+1. Obviously they had similar social circles what with them both being wealthy New Yorkers with places in Palm Beach. However, its my understanding that Trump caught wind of what a wrong un Epstein was years ago and gave him a wide berth after that. The actual anecdote is I believe Epstein was trying to groom one of Trumps mates teenage daughters at a country club in Palm Beach.

I think those pictures taken at dinner parties is all that ties Trump to Epstein. Bill Clinton & Prince Andrew on the other hand..........

[troglodiet]

I liked Epstein's sentence the best. I wonder if that can be used a few more times

Arkansas flu.

[fishfoodie]

I shouldn’t but

I suspect the maga king is one of them though he will likely evade charges due to reduced mental capacity if they ever come.

To be honest, I’m not sure The Don is caught up in this. He was pretty unequivocal about what he thought of Epstein even before all this blew up.

He's also on record, & numerous people have collaborated; as having perved over teenagers on various states of undress; when he hosted the Miss Teen USA, at his resorts !

[Lobby]

I suspect the maga king is one of them though he will likely evade charges due to reduced mental capacity if they ever come.

To be honest, I’m not sure The Don is caught up in this. He was pretty unequivocal about what he thought of Epstein even before all this blew up.

He's also on record, & numerous people have collaborated; as having perved over teenagers on various states of undress; when he hosted the Miss Teen USA, at his resorts !

Corroborated surely, unless you are suggesting there were numerous people perving over the teenagers with him (not impossible I grant you).

[SaintK]

To be honest, I’m not sure The Don is caught up in this. He was pretty unequivocal about what he thought of Epstein even before all this blew up.

He's also on record, & numerous people have collaborated; as having perved over teenagers on various states of undress; when he hosted the Miss Teen USA, at his resorts !

Corroborated surely, unless you are suggesting there were numerous people perving over the teenagers with him (not impossible I grant you).

[fishfoodie]

To be honest, I’m not sure The Don is caught up in this. He was pretty unequivocal about what he thought of Epstein even before all this blew up.

He's also on record, & numerous people have collaborated; as having perved over teenagers on various states of undress; when he hosted the Miss Teen USA, at his resorts !

Corroborated surely, unless you are suggesting there were numerous people perving over the teenagers with him (not impossible I grant you).

[Kiwias]

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[Biffer]

Not surprised the BBC messed up on this one. Must be getting quite hard to find people to stick up for Prince Andrew so Epstein's former lawyer who got him his sweetheart deal and someone facing the same accusations as Andy is a good a bet as any.

The BBC have been shocking on this.

Invited Epsteins lawyer on to discuss the case, no declaration of interest, no opposing view
Invited Maxwelks brother on to vouch for her, again unopposed
Multiple sympathetic articles online

It's a disgrace

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59736227
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bdnctb



BBC Narrative continues, "accuser(s)" should read "victim(s)"

Spectator is full fluff piece.

[Kawazaki]

I'm not up with the latest conspiracy theories. Can any of you explain why the BBC would be trying to downplay/reframe the charges against Maxwell and/or what Epstein did?

Ta.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The BBC have been shocking on this.

Invited Epsteins lawyer on to discuss the case, no declaration of interest, no opposing view
Invited Maxwelks brother on to vouch for her, again unopposed
Multiple sympathetic articles online

It's a disgrace

Earlier on, I'm assuming Woman's Hour, they had quite a lengthy interview with someone who's recently put out a book detailing her encounters with Maxwell and Epstein. And that too the BBC allowed to stand without hearing from say Maxwell's family or lawyers as a counterpoint.

We should be able to allow that not every point made needs to have an opposing view presented in all instances, and frankly even if you had an opposing view you might only have two incorrect/biased contributions.

[Biffer]

I'm not up with the latest conspiracy theories. Can any of you explain why the BBC would be trying to downplay/reframe the charges against Maxwell and/or what Epstein did?

Ta.

Societal deference to the wealthy and privileged. ‘Our masters and betters’.

[petej]

The BBC have been shocking on this.

Invited Epsteins lawyer on to discuss the case, no declaration of interest, no opposing view
Invited Maxwelks brother on to vouch for her, again unopposed
Multiple sympathetic articles online

It's a disgrace

Earlier on, I'm assuming Woman's Hour, they had quite a lengthy interview with someone who's recently put out a book detailing her encounters with Maxwell and Epstein. And that too the BBC allowed to stand without hearing from say Maxwell's family or lawyers as a counterpoint.

We should be able to allow that not every point made needs to have an opposing view presented in all instances, and frankly even if you had an opposing view you might only have two incorrect/biased contributions.

You tend to hear more from the victims and victims relatives/friends and little from the guilty. This is unusual. We've not heard much from Wayne couzens friends and colleagues.

[fishfoodie]

I'm not up with the latest conspiracy theories. Can any of you explain why the BBC would be trying to downplay/reframe the charges against Maxwell and/or what Epstein did?

Ta.

Societal deference to the wealthy and privileged. ‘Our masters and betters’.

Not to mention the turd in the Punch Bowl, that is Randy Andy !

It was thru Maxwell, that he met Epstein.

[Lobby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59736227
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bdnctb



BBC Narrative continues, "accuser(s)" should read "victim(s)"

Spectator is full fluff piece.

I suspect this is the BBC’s editors (and lawyers) being careful to distinguish between the four women involved in the trial, who can be called victims because their allegations have now been proved in the courts, and the other 100 or so women whose accusations about Epstein haven’t been tested in the courts, and so are still referred to as ‘accusers’.

[fishfoodie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59736227
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bdnctb



BBC Narrative continues, "accuser(s)" should read "victim(s)"

Spectator is full fluff piece.

I suspect this is the BBC’s editors (and lawyers) being careful to distinguish between the four women involved in the trial, who can be called victims because their allegations have now been proved in the courts, and the other 100 or so women whose accusations about Epstein haven’t been tested in the courts, and so are still referred to as ‘accusers’.

Not True !

People focus on the NY charges; that were never ultimately satisfied; but forget that they only reason Epstein wasn't already in Prison; was he got a sweetheart deal from a Republican DA in Florida; which allowed him to plead guilty to dozens of these exact same charges, & walked away scot free !

https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epst ... 9a586aa291