Six Nations wants Springbokke

[assfly]

You could have one hell of a party for less than 500 Pounds/Euro. Fok you could go on a Safari and still have enough for coke and hookers.

This is a big factor. It might be a longer, more expensive flight, but the exchange rate will make for an excellent holiday.

[sockwithaticket]

For a longer holiday, that'd be a valid mitigation.

However, for the weekend away trips that are mainstays of the 6 Nations experience spending 24 of the available 48 hours travelling is a complete show stopper.

[assfly]

For a longer holiday, that'd be a valid mitigation.

However, for the weekend away trips that are mainstays of the 6 Nations experience spending 24 of the available 48 hours travelling is a complete show stopper.

Give me one good reason why Rome is a better weekend away than Pretoria. I'll wait.

[SaintK]

It's not worth going that far just for a weekend. Part of the 6 Nations charm is the viability of weekend trips or even just day trips, to the away venues.

We're not living in the dark ages. It's just a short flight to SA and it cost you pocket change to visit our shores. When last did you guys pay 8 pee for a beer over there?

You and I have a very different definition of short.

12 hours to Cape Town
Avg flight cost £600!!!!

[sockwithaticket]

For a longer holiday, that'd be a valid mitigation.

However, for the weekend away trips that are mainstays of the 6 Nations experience spending 24 of the available 48 hours travelling is a complete show stopper.

Give me one good reason why Rome is a better weekend away than Pretoria. I'll wait.

I'd only spend 5 hours in the air getting to Rome vs. 22 for Pretoria, which, as suggested above, is kind of a big deal when you only have 48 hours available.

[SaintK]

For a longer holiday, that'd be a valid mitigation.

However, for the weekend away trips that are mainstays of the 6 Nations experience spending 24 of the available 48 hours travelling is a complete show stopper.

Give me one good reason why Rome is a better weekend away than Pretoria. I'll wait.

It's a damn sight closer for a weekend away and cheaper to get to.
That's two good reasons for a start.

[sockwithaticket]

We're not living in the dark ages. It's just a short flight to SA and it cost you pocket change to visit our shores. When last did you guys pay 8 pee for a beer over there?

You and I have a very different definition of short.

12 hours to Cape Town
Avg flight cost £600!!!!

Right? I hadn't fully appreciated just how far away SA is until this strand of the discussion started up.

[SaintK]

You and I have a very different definition of short.

12 hours to Cape Town
Avg flight cost £600!!!!

Right? I hadn't fully appreciated just how far away SA is until this strand of the discussion started up.

Quite!
I wonder how many Saffers would pop over here for a long weekend and a 6N match?
I wonder how many appreciate quite what the cost of that long weekend would be?
Return flights
Onward transport to Edinburgh, Cardiff or even Dublin
Cost of hotels in UK and |reland
General cost of living for food and drink
Cost of tickets (The average cost at Twickenham for a ticket against a 6N match is approximately £120!!!)

[assfly]

We can't afford it.

[SaintK]

We can't afford it.

............and nor can the average UK rugby supporter afford to travel to SA!!!

[average joe]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

[handyman]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

Simples.

[JM2K6]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

Simples.

Yeah you guys are doing a bang-up job of convincing people it's a good idea, this is going about as well as the crime stats argument.

[average joe]

We can't afford it.

............and nor can the average UK rugby supporter afford to travel to SA!!!

You spelt average Scottish rugby supporter wrong.

[handyman]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

Simples.

Yeah you guys are doing a bang-up job of convincing people it's a good idea, this is going about as well as the crime stats argument.

I've got no say in the matter, nor am I convinced it's the best way to go. Why break my head over it?

[SaintK]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

No they won't. It just ain't going to happen!
And Twickenham is sold out twice over for the n6N already including the Italian match!

[sockwithaticket]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

While affordability is not a negligible consideration (it's worth stating that you can easily do a weekend in Paris or Rome for the £500 it would cost to get to South Africa) it's a bit of a red herring. Who gives a shit if accommodation and entertainment are cheap if you're only going to be on the ground for 24 hours (at best) before having to turn around again? Less once you factor in the reason you actually flew out - going to watch the game.

Canada's bloody awesome and it takes a couple of hours less to fly to British Columbia on the far side of the country than it does to any of the South African cities that have been mentioned, but it's still not worth flying out there just for the weekend because after an 18 hour round trip there's just not enough time left to properly take advantage of being there.

To briefly go back to points about money, Mexico or India are places that are cheap once you get there, but, again, they're really fucking far away and it's just not a worthwhile use of time to go there for a weekend.

For a weekend trip, the closer the destination the better.

[JM2K6]

Simples.

Yeah you guys are doing a bang-up job of convincing people it's a good idea, this is going about as well as the crime stats argument.

I've got no say in the matter, nor am I convinced it's the best way to go. Why break my head over it?

Apologies, I thought when you quoted him, bolded what he said, and said "Simples" I thought you were backing up his argument that's being used in favour of SA being in the 6N :-)

[assfly]

I'm starting to get a small impression that we're not wanted.

[handyman]

I'm starting to get a small impression that we're not wanted.

If it does happen, it will hurt NZ rugby a lot.

[GogLais]

:Japan has entered the conversation:

Why would they allow them in and not the WC Champs and top ranked team?

You're doing well enough outside the 6N aren't you? Why are you so bothered about joining it?

[sockwithaticket]

I'm not convinced they do want to join, they've just got bored of squabbling among themselves and want some new sparring partners.

[Slick]

It would just be 5 weeks of moaning, ref bashing, victimhood and I’ll feeling.

We already have the Welsh

Genuinely though, I wouldn’t want SA supporters anywhere near the 6N. Wrong sort. No thanks

[TheFrog]

For a longer holiday, that'd be a valid mitigation.

However, for the weekend away trips that are mainstays of the 6 Nations experience spending 24 of the available 48 hours travelling is a complete show stopper.

Give me one good reason why Rome is a better weekend away than Pretoria. I'll wait.

[Slick]

For a longer holiday, that'd be a valid mitigation.

However, for the weekend away trips that are mainstays of the 6 Nations experience spending 24 of the available 48 hours travelling is a complete show stopper.

Give me one good reason why Rome is a better weekend away than Pretoria. I'll wait.

Missed this

[OomStruisbaai]

It would just be 5 weeks of moaning, ref bashing, victimhood and I’ll feeling.

We already have the Welsh

Genuinely though, I wouldn’t want SA supporters anywhere near the 6N. Wrong sort. No thanks

Nah with all the Saffers playing in your team , you want our support aswell.

[OomStruisbaai]

:Japan has entered the conversation:

Why would they allow them in and not the WC Champs and top ranked team?

You're doing well enough outside the 6N aren't you? Why are you so bothered about joining it?

£ £ £

[GogLais]

Why would they allow them in and not the WC Champs and top ranked team?

You're doing well enough outside the 6N aren't you? Why are you so bothered about joining it?

£ £ £

I assume you wouldn't come here in the autumn any more if you were in the 6N.

[OomStruisbaai]

You're doing well enough outside the 6N aren't you? Why are you so bothered about joining it?

£ £ £

I assume you wouldn't come here in the autumn any more if you were in the 6N.

We,ll play for the BaaBaas.

[average joe]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

While affordability is not a negligible consideration (it's worth stating that you can easily do a weekend in Paris or Rome for the £500 it would cost to get to South Africa) it's a bit of a red herring. Who gives a shit if accommodation and entertainment are cheap if you're only going to be on the ground for 24 hours (at best) before having to turn around again? Less once you factor in the reason you actually flew out - going to watch the game.

Canada's bloody awesome and it takes a couple of hours less to fly to British Columbia on the far side of the country than it does to any of the South African cities that have been mentioned, but it's still not worth flying out there just for the weekend because after an 18 hour round trip there's just not enough time left to properly take advantage of being there.

To briefly go back to points about money, Mexico or India are places that are cheap once you get there, but, again, they're really fucking far away and it's just not a worthwhile use of time to go there for a weekend.

For a weekend trip, the closer the destination the better.

It's one game. Put in a few days leave and make a week of it, you'll have a blast. If you cant/don't want to/cant afford it/are Scottish just stay home and watch it on the telly.

[laurent]

The whole point is that you don't need to take a day off travelling to a game.

[average joe]

The whole point is that you don't need to take a day off travelling to a game.

You would still be able to do that. France wont even have to travel every year. 1 game every second year would be in South Africa the rest stays the same.

[Slick]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

While affordability is not a negligible consideration (it's worth stating that you can easily do a weekend in Paris or Rome for the £500 it would cost to get to South Africa) it's a bit of a red herring. Who gives a shit if accommodation and entertainment are cheap if you're only going to be on the ground for 24 hours (at best) before having to turn around again? Less once you factor in the reason you actually flew out - going to watch the game.

Canada's bloody awesome and it takes a couple of hours less to fly to British Columbia on the far side of the country than it does to any of the South African cities that have been mentioned, but it's still not worth flying out there just for the weekend because after an 18 hour round trip there's just not enough time left to properly take advantage of being there.

To briefly go back to points about money, Mexico or India are places that are cheap once you get there, but, again, they're really fucking far away and it's just not a worthwhile use of time to go there for a weekend.

For a weekend trip, the closer the destination the better.

It's one game. Put in a few days leave and make a week of it, you'll have a blast. If you cant/don't want to/cant afford it/are Scottish just stay home and watch it on the telly.

This Scottish supporters don’t travel thing is a bit odd

[laurent]

The whole point is that you don't need to take a day off travelling to a game.

You would still be able to do that. France wont even have to travel every year. 1 game every second year would be in South Africa the rest stays the same.

Na that's fine as it is

bye...

[average joe]

While affordability is not a negligible consideration (it's worth stating that you can easily do a weekend in Paris or Rome for the £500 it would cost to get to South Africa) it's a bit of a red herring. Who gives a shit if accommodation and entertainment are cheap if you're only going to be on the ground for 24 hours (at best) before having to turn around again? Less once you factor in the reason you actually flew out - going to watch the game.

Canada's bloody awesome and it takes a couple of hours less to fly to British Columbia on the far side of the country than it does to any of the South African cities that have been mentioned, but it's still not worth flying out there just for the weekend because after an 18 hour round trip there's just not enough time left to properly take advantage of being there.

To briefly go back to points about money, Mexico or India are places that are cheap once you get there, but, again, they're really fucking far away and it's just not a worthwhile use of time to go there for a weekend.

For a weekend trip, the closer the destination the better.

It's one game. Put in a few days leave and make a week of it, you'll have a blast. If you cant/don't want to/cant afford it/are Scottish just stay home and watch it on the telly.

This Scottish supporters don’t travel thing is a bit odd

Parsimonious

[average joe]

The whole point is that you don't need to take a day off travelling to a game.

You would still be able to do that. France wont even have to travel every year. 1 game every second year would be in South Africa the rest stays the same.

Na that's fine as it is

bye...

It's not up to you or me.

[Slick]

It's one game. Put in a few days leave and make a week of it, you'll have a blast. If you cant/don't want to/cant afford it/are Scottish just stay home and watch it on the telly.

This Scottish supporters don’t travel thing is a bit odd

Parsimonious

Yeah, I know what you are trying desperately to get noticed for, I'm just saying it's a bit odd because it's demonstrably not the case.

[Biffer]

Would English fans prefer a weekend away in Tokyo or Durban?

It's not worth going that far just for a weekend. Part of the 6 Nations charm is the viability of weekend trips or even just day trips, to the away venues.

We're not living in the dark ages. It's just a short flight to SA and it cost you pocket change to visit our shores. When last did you guys pay 8 pee for a beer over there?

Bollocks. It's 13/14 hours from Glasgow or Edinburgh most of the time. Tell me again how that works into a weekend away - you know, leaving on a Friday afternoon and being back Sunday evening. I can get to Cardiff, London, Dublin and Paris in less than two hours for less than a hundred quid return most of the time. Tell me how I do that to South Africa.

Fuck off with your fantasy bullshit.

[Biffer]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

While affordability is not a negligible consideration (it's worth stating that you can easily do a weekend in Paris or Rome for the £500 it would cost to get to South Africa) it's a bit of a red herring. Who gives a shit if accommodation and entertainment are cheap if you're only going to be on the ground for 24 hours (at best) before having to turn around again? Less once you factor in the reason you actually flew out - going to watch the game.

Canada's bloody awesome and it takes a couple of hours less to fly to British Columbia on the far side of the country than it does to any of the South African cities that have been mentioned, but it's still not worth flying out there just for the weekend because after an 18 hour round trip there's just not enough time left to properly take advantage of being there.

To briefly go back to points about money, Mexico or India are places that are cheap once you get there, but, again, they're really fucking far away and it's just not a worthwhile use of time to go there for a weekend.

For a weekend trip, the closer the destination the better.

It's one game. Put in a few days leave and make a week of it, you'll have a blast. If you cant/don't want to/cant afford it/are Scottish just stay home and watch it on the telly.

So, again, you want us to change the whole spirit of the tournament so that you can stick two fingers up at the kiwis (because that's all this is really about, isn't it?). Fuck off.

[sockwithaticket]

There's enough chickenrunners over there to make it worth the while. You don't need us klingons.

It's 11 hours from Heathrow to OR Tambo and less than 500 pounds non-stop, round trip. It will cost you half that for accommodation and entertainment. If that's too rich for you, just do what we poor klingons do and watch it on the telly at home or in the pub. You can still go to Rome, Paris, where ever. Your team will only play one game in SA.

While affordability is not a negligible consideration (it's worth stating that you can easily do a weekend in Paris or Rome for the £500 it would cost to get to South Africa) it's a bit of a red herring. Who gives a shit if accommodation and entertainment are cheap if you're only going to be on the ground for 24 hours (at best) before having to turn around again? Less once you factor in the reason you actually flew out - going to watch the game.

Canada's bloody awesome and it takes a couple of hours less to fly to British Columbia on the far side of the country than it does to any of the South African cities that have been mentioned, but it's still not worth flying out there just for the weekend because after an 18 hour round trip there's just not enough time left to properly take advantage of being there.

To briefly go back to points about money, Mexico or India are places that are cheap once you get there, but, again, they're really fucking far away and it's just not a worthwhile use of time to go there for a weekend.

For a weekend trip, the closer the destination the better.

It's one game. Put in a few days leave and make a week of it, you'll have a blast. If you cant/don't want to/cant afford it/are Scottish just stay home and watch it on the telly.

None of the existing away games require people to use up annual leave in order to make them worthwhile.

It's true, none of us have to visit. However, we also don't have to admit you to our competition.