Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Biffer]

Rats in a sack!

Once you accept they are all self serving cnuts then nothing surprises you anymore. They will destroy each other eventually and I honestly don't give a sh1t, however the collateral damage to our country, our institutions and our people has been and will continue to be immense and unforgivable.

We have had the debate elsewhere on this site about Scotland and its politics and I still honestly believe that the SNP are doing so well up here not because of the people of Scotland have swung towards independence, although that sentiment has grown since the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras came into power, but more because we don't want to be shackled to a Tory Gov driven by racists, misogynists, nonces and crooks who don't give a shit about anyone north of Watford unless if involves shooting grouse or chasing foxes. The Tory party lurch to the far right and adoption of populist and racist policies has driven them further and further away from the political views of the majority of Scotland and with the collapse of a sensible Labour Party under Corbyn folk were left with little choice. Wee Nic isn't a left wing zealot, many of her policies are pretty main stream and centrist and wouldn't have looked out of place in previous Tory governments let alone Labour ones. They are popular with the majority of voters in Scotland. it is the fear that folk feel when looking over the border and seeing the mayhem and destruction being wrought by this bunch of destructive, disaster venture capitalist backed Gov that makes folk vote SNP. Starmer may change the dynamics but in the interim all JRM has done in his ludicrous comments about the Scottish Tory assistant referee has confirmed the above in many of folks minds.

There's that side of it, but you've got to realise why the unionist parties don't want to let their Scottish parties become separate - and this applies to some people in those parties in Scotland as well as down south. If they separate, it will allow people of a pro-independence mindset to put their case to the Scottish party. There are right wing and left wing pro independence viewpoints, and these were heartily squashed in the last referendum. E.g. various trades union banned debate or votes at Scottish conferences (if I remember rightly Prospect were really worried as many branch offices had voted in favour). With the SNP moving further left since Sturgeon took over from Salmond, there are some of the more traditional / country seats full of old school right of centre voters who are looking for a home, and I get the feeling that's what Alba was wanting to be (but it ended up full of loonies and ended up looking more like UKIP).

This is probably more a conversation for the Scottish Politics thread I reckon, so I'll leave it there.

Scottish labour have taken a daft position on independence by going all in on unionist. A more neutral position would have been better for them. Allowing independence voices to have a voice is important in the main parties. Totally shutting it down has has hurt labour far more than it has the Tories.

Absolutely. They stifled debate in their own party to stand on a platform with the same policy as the Tories. No wonder they went down the drain.

[SaintK]

I think we all know about JRM's attitudes, but for him to call the Conservative leader in Scotland 'lightweight' openly on television is pretty callous. Didn't even try to wheel back on his words either. Very publicly disregarding conservatives in Scotland.

Charlie Stayte making Brandon Lewis look very silly on Breakfast - not too difficult.

I actually think Goves comments are much worse - “he’s in Elgin, the National leader is in London”

From the Minister of Levelling Up… and a Scotsman

Wow, I missed that one.

The level of support for Boris is quite baffling - they all must have a lot of dirt on each other.

But he hasn't done anything wrong

......his difficulties were illustrated this morning when the cabinet minister doing interviews this morning failed to deny reports that privately Johnson has been telling colleagues he has done nothing wrong.

Another Tory MP told me that in the tearoom the PM told him and colleagues 'it's not his fault and he's bravely taking the blame for others' - 'caused much consternation among colleagues' given that he'd just given a public apology

[I like neeps]

Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

That would be par for the course - Ross calls out Johnson for his lies and deceit and Ross has to resign for it.

Johnson should also go. He just won't.

You can't credibly stand for government when your opponent has a senior MP in that party calling you lightweight playing on repeat.

Mr Ross made his bed by backing Johnson for the leadership. Ross knew he was a liar when he backed him. If you lie with dogs you get fleas. Hoisted by his own petard etc etc.

[I like neeps]

Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

Think that's a bit harsh. He has consistently stood up to a lot of the nonsense coming from Westminster which I think puts him in good standing. Even most loyal Scottish Torys must see the wisdom of distancing themselves from the shitshow.

Consistently has ... since backing him for the leadership. He made a gamble on his career and he should be judged accordingly.

Pretty much every Tory MP knew he was unfit for office. They just wanted to win an election. The bill comes due eventually and it seems like it now has for Douglas Ross.

[dpedin]

Well fine, but lets not pretend we don't have our own racists, misogynists, nonces and crooks in our own government.

I'm not and didn't claim there wasn't, there are nutters in all the parties but the seem to have a lot more of them and have Tories have actually put, or let them, take over and run both the party and the country ... that is the problem.

[Paddington Bear]

Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

He'd do wonders for his standing and popularity if in his resignation he has a go at that nanny boy c*nt Mogg.

I'd say the opposite. Every time he's called a branch office he can show he's his own man and isn't in tow to people like Mogg. Of course if Boris does resign which I suspect he might he can also take the credit for that as well.

[dpedin]

Rats in a sack!

Once you accept they are all self serving cnuts then nothing surprises you anymore. They will destroy each other eventually and I honestly don't give a sh1t, however the collateral damage to our country, our institutions and our people has been and will continue to be immense and unforgivable.

We have had the debate elsewhere on this site about Scotland and its politics and I still honestly believe that the SNP are doing so well up here not because of the people of Scotland have swung towards independence, although that sentiment has grown since the Blonde Bumblecunt and his Brexit Ultras came into power, but more because we don't want to be shackled to a Tory Gov driven by racists, misogynists, nonces and crooks who don't give a shit about anyone north of Watford unless if involves shooting grouse or chasing foxes. The Tory party lurch to the far right and adoption of populist and racist policies has driven them further and further away from the political views of the majority of Scotland and with the collapse of a sensible Labour Party under Corbyn folk were left with little choice. Wee Nic isn't a left wing zealot, many of her policies are pretty main stream and centrist and wouldn't have looked out of place in previous Tory governments let alone Labour ones. They are popular with the majority of voters in Scotland. it is the fear that folk feel when looking over the border and seeing the mayhem and destruction being wrought by this bunch of destructive, disaster venture capitalist backed Gov that makes folk vote SNP. Starmer may change the dynamics but in the interim all JRM has done in his ludicrous comments about the Scottish Tory assistant referee has confirmed the above in many of folks minds.

There's that side of it, but you've got to realise why the unionist parties don't want to let their Scottish parties become separate - and this applies to some people in those parties in Scotland as well as down south. If they separate, it will allow people of a pro-independence mindset to put their case to the Scottish party. There are right wing and left wing pro independence viewpoints, and these were heartily squashed in the last referendum. E.g. various trades union banned debate or votes at Scottish conferences (if I remember rightly Prospect were really worried as many branch offices had voted in favour). With the SNP moving further left since Sturgeon took over from Salmond, there are some of the more traditional / country seats full of old school right of centre voters who are looking for a home, and I get the feeling that's what Alba was wanting to be (but it ended up full of loonies and ended up looking more like UKIP).

This is probably more a conversation for the Scottish Politics thread I reckon, so I'll leave it there.

I fully realise why the unionist parties don't want to pursue the independence debate etc. However my main point is purely that the direction the Tory Party has gone over the past 5 years post Brexit is an anathema for the vast majority of Scots and the absence of a coherent well led Labour or LD party has driven folk to the SNP, not because of independence but because, like it or not, Sturgeon is perceived as the most competent and sensible leadership option available to them! 'In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king'.

I would have agreed about it being a Scottish politics thread issue until JRM made it a national issue with his contemptuous comments about the Scottish Tory leader. I honestly think he has opened up a real can of worms now for the UK and for BB and his cabinet colleagues. His open contempt for his Scottish MSP colleagues and the devolved Gov will be making the Welsh and NI Tories and equivalents think about where they stand with Westminster. It would appear less of a unionist a more of an imperialist mind set at No10? This is going to now be a running sore for the Tories, like they need another one! Someone needs to take the spade from them.

[I like neeps]

Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

He'd do wonders for his standing and popularity if in his resignation he has a go at that nanny boy c*nt Mogg.

I'd say the opposite. Every time he's called a branch office he can show he's his own man and isn't in tow to people like Mogg. Of course if Boris does resign which I suspect he might he can also take the credit for that as well.

Don't think he will, cabinet have all backed him. Can't imagine the Grey report will be released until there's a new story. Maybe he'll step down at the locals - maybe.

Have never been entirely convinced by the Branch Office theory. I think people are aware if you're voting for the conservatives in Scotland you're voting for the English ones. Which is a shame Ruth Davidson has been my favourite politician in a long time. She was too good for politics unfortunately.

[dpedin]

Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

He'd do wonders for his standing and popularity if in his resignation he has a go at that nanny boy c*nt Mogg.

I'd say the opposite. Every time he's called a branch office he can show he's his own man and isn't in tow to people like Mogg. Of course if Boris does resign which I suspect he might he can also take the credit for that as well.

Don't think he will, cabinet have all backed him. Can't imagine the Grey report will be released until there's a new story. Maybe he'll step down at the locals - maybe.

Have never been entirely convinced by the Branch Office theory. I think people are aware if you're voting for the conservatives in Scotland you're voting for the English ones. Which is a shame Ruth Davidson has been my favourite politician in a long time. She was too good for politics unfortunately.

Rumours are strong that there is further dirt to come out hence the prevaricating from the BB. He knows this too and is still shitting himself. Apparently it will continue to be drip fed into the media and every time they think they have the fire under control more petrol will be thrown on the flames. This is why more MPs are calling him out, they know he is losing his power base, it still has a long way to run.

[Biffer]

I'd say the opposite. Every time he's called a branch office he can show he's his own man and isn't in tow to people like Mogg. Of course if Boris does resign which I suspect he might he can also take the credit for that as well.

Don't think he will, cabinet have all backed him. Can't imagine the Grey report will be released until there's a new story. Maybe he'll step down at the locals - maybe.

Have never been entirely convinced by the Branch Office theory. I think people are aware if you're voting for the conservatives in Scotland you're voting for the English ones. Which is a shame Ruth Davidson has been my favourite politician in a long time. She was too good for politics unfortunately.

Rumours are strong that there is further dirt to come out hence the prevaricating from the BB. He knows this too and is still shitting himself. Apparently it will continue to be drip fed into the media and every time they think they have the fire under control more petrol will be thrown on the flames. This is why more MPs are calling him out, they know he is losing his power base, it still has a long way to run.

Rumours doing the rounds that Johnson wouldn't assure Douglas Ross that there wasn't more to come out when they spoke yesterday.

Bound to be more in the Sundays. And I think when Johnson is done they'll have more on others - I can't believe there wasn't anything similar happening at No 11.

[Paddington Bear]

Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

[fishfoodie]

Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

[I like neeps]

Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

[fishfoodie]

Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

[Biffer]

Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

What he's pushing is 'sensible, clever people like me should be allowed to interpret the rules as we see fit, not like the plebs'

[I like neeps]

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

[sockwithaticket]

Yeah it's clear IMHO that they did drinks and other lockdown breaches regularly, it will drip out.

Of course !

Cummings is going to bury him; one shovel at a time; & when one round of outrage, starts to die down; he'll throw another can of petrol on the fire.

Someone needs to break JRMs jaw; or else put him back in the hole they had him in during the election; because he's the last one you want supporting you

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

Easy to say in hindsight.

[tabascoboy]

Douglas Ross has to resign now. There's no way he can go into any election with the SNP just repeatedly showing his own party call him a lightweight public figure.

He'd do wonders for his standing and popularity if in his resignation he has a go at that nanny boy c*nt Mogg.

I'd say the opposite. Every time he's called a branch office he can show he's his own man and isn't in tow to people like Mogg. Of course if Boris does resign which I suspect he might he can also take the credit for that as well.

Don't think he will, cabinet have all backed him. Can't imagine the Grey report will be released until there's a new story. Maybe he'll step down at the locals - maybe.

Have never been entirely convinced by the Branch Office theory. I think people are aware if you're voting for the conservatives in Scotland you're voting for the English ones. Which is a shame Ruth Davidson has been my favourite politician in a long time. She was too good for politics unfortunately.

If the Russia / Ukraine thing blows up - that'll be a good day to bury it

If all else fails, change the narrative!

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

[sturginho]

If all else fails, change the narrative!

We must consider whether lockdown rules were too tough - Rees-Mogg

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the lockdown rules may have been too tough when a drinks event took place in the Downing Street garden in May 2020.

He says he had been contacted by a friend who was unable to go to the funeral of his two-year old granddaughter, adding: "We must consider, as this goes to an inquiry and we look into what happened with Covid, whether all those regulations were proportionate or whether it was too hard on people".

I can see that backfiring big time if thats the defense they're going with

[Paddington Bear]

The rules around meeting outside, people being yelled at for sitting on benches etc were clearly batshit at the time. But the Government made them so it isn't unreasonable to expect that they followed them.

[JM2K6]

He is right though, looking back the rules were a wee bit insane. You could easily have a socially distances funeral. I went to one in April 2021 - no reason that couldn't have happened from the start.

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

[Biffer]

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

My sister in Greece had to register every time she left the house.

[PCPhil]

and 24hrs too late; Carrie tests positive; & the Bumblecunt has to isolate.

ya right, sure.

Poor Carrie. Please think of the children. Not, not those wee folk that big fat blond cvnt who never combs his hair. I will be outside my house tonight clapping for both of them with a glass of wine, cheese and nibbles.

[Hal Jordan]

What a worm Rees-Mogg is. A demonstratively devout Catholic whose personal belief system is often so far from the teachings of Jesus that you wonder if he's actually ever read the Gospels.

[Torquemada 1420]

What a worm Rees-Mogg is. A demonstratively devout Catholic whose personal belief system is often so far from the teachings of Jesus that you wonder if he's actually ever read the Gospels.

He's your archetypal god botherer. Uber hypocrite.

[SaintK]

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

Correct and of course we had the worst death rate in Europe!!!!

[fishfoodie]

It's a canard; he doesn't give a shit about funerals ... he's talking about; "work gatherings"

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

That, & the rules had to be simple; so that responsible people could abide by them; & police could enforce them. Otherwise people would have had to carry around phonebook sized sets of rules.

[SaintK]

In non Blonde slug news this serial offender is at iot again

A Conservative MP faces suspension from the Commons after the standards watchdog found he undermined a formal apology over intimidatory behaviour towards staff by indicating in media interviews that he did not fully mean the gesture.
Daniel Kawczynski will be asked to make a series of fresh apologies, including to the staff members who originally complained about his actions, and who the Shrewsbury and Atcham MP effectively identified when talking about the case, the Commons standards committee found.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... apology

[JM2K6]

It's hard to overstate just how fucking bad this current crop of Tory MPs is.

[Biffer]

It's hard to overstate just how fucking bad this current crop of Tory MPs is.

They've basically become UKIP over the last 5 years.

[Slick]

Yes sure he's using it as deflection and it will only make things worse if the defence is "well actually the rules you followed at great personal cost were unnecessary, didn't you know at the time?".

But in the very narrow example he gives of the funeral he is correct. The rules were silly.

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

That, & the rules had to be simple; so that responsible people could abide by them; & police could enforce them. Otherwise people would have had to carry around phonebook sized sets of rules.

And that they weren't expecting people to comply in such overwhelming numbers.

[Biffer]

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

That, & the rules had to be simple; so that responsible people could abide by them; & police could enforce them. Otherwise people would have had to carry around phonebook sized sets of rules.

And that they weren't expecting people to comply in such overwhelming numbers.

But again, to me that's indicative of their view of the masses. The plebs are too stupid and attached to getting drunk, they can't understand the science, so we have to be harsh with them. It'll be fine for our chaps to break the rules though.

[Tichtheid]

That, & the rules had to be simple; so that responsible people could abide by them; & police could enforce them. Otherwise people would have had to carry around phonebook sized sets of rules.

And that they weren't expecting people to comply in such overwhelming numbers.

But again, to me that's indicative of their view of the masses. The plebs are too stupid and attached to getting drunk, they can't understand the science, so we have to be harsh with them. It'll be fine for our chaps to break the rules though.

We're talking about the fucker who said people burned to death in a block of flats because they lacked the common sense to get out of the building

[Hal Jordan]

It's hard to overstate just how fucking bad this current crop of Tory MPs is.

They've basically become UKIP over the last 5 years.

Good thing Cameron's referendum put paid to that threat by simply folding the nutters into the Conservative party.

[Biffer]

Tell you what though, I'm really glad we didn't get any of that chaos with Ed Miliband. We dodged a bullet there, eh?

[Tichtheid]

Tell you what though, I'm really glad we didn't get any of that chaos with Ed Miliband. We dodged a bullet there, eh?

Pffft, father was Hampstead Heath Commie, and a bit too...well y'know, don't make me say it, but we all know what we mean, a bit too, errr.... well not Christian, let's put it that way.

[dpedin]

And that they weren't expecting people to comply in such overwhelming numbers.

But again, to me that's indicative of their view of the masses. The plebs are too stupid and attached to getting drunk, they can't understand the science, so we have to be harsh with them. It'll be fine for our chaps to break the rules though.

We're talking about the fucker who said people burned to death in a block of flats because they lacked the common sense to get out of the building

Lets not fall for the deflection from JRM about the rules being too strict, this is bullshit. At the time we knew feck all about covid, we saw people falling over in street in China and Italian health service being overwhelmed by folk dying on stretchers in corridors. We had not a feckin clue what we were dealing with nor how we were going to cope with it. Vaccines were unthinkable back then with folk saying they would be many years away. Even then we were told that 20,000 deaths would be a good result, we have over 150,000 at the moment and nearly 400 yesterday. Any sensible Gov would, in the face of an unknown and potentially deadly virus which we didnt know fully how it spread, would lock down and buy time. We absolutely had to protect the NHS so it wouldn't be overwhelmed and not cope with the peaks of the pandemic. Health workers were in bin bags and ski goggles in the wards and shitting themselves, unfortunately many died die to lack of PPE. Thousands of folks grannies and grandads were dying in unprotected care homes, cared for by brave souls on a minimum wage and no PPE either. For that miserable, toe rag fecker JRM to suggest the rules were 'too strict' in order to protect that cheating bag of shit of a PM is beyond words, beyond any words I can muster!

[Torquemada 1420]

The rules were necessarily harsh because of the lateness of proper lockdown. The harder the lockdown, the shorter it should be. Other countries went to greater lengths than we did.

364 days from the arrival of the first case. On an island.......

[not_english]

In non Blonde slug news this serial offender is at iot again

A Conservative MP faces suspension from the Commons after the standards watchdog found he undermined a formal apology over intimidatory behaviour towards staff by indicating in media interviews that he did not fully mean the gesture.
Daniel Kawczynski will be asked to make a series of fresh apologies, including to the staff members who originally complained about his actions, and who the Shrewsbury and Atcham MP effectively identified when talking about the case, the Commons standards committee found.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... apology

Is that the guy who has claimed thousands in expenses for Polish language lessons, despite having claimed previously that he is fluent in Polish

[Tichtheid]

But again, to me that's indicative of their view of the masses. The plebs are too stupid and attached to getting drunk, they can't understand the science, so we have to be harsh with them. It'll be fine for our chaps to break the rules though.

We're talking about the fucker who said people burned to death in a block of flats because they lacked the common sense to get out of the building

Lets not fall for the deflection from JRM about the rules being too strict, this is bullshit. At the time we knew feck all about covid, we saw people falling over in street in China and Italian health service being overwhelmed by folk dying on stretchers in corridors. We had not a feckin clue what we were dealing with nor how we were going to cope with it. Vaccines were unthinkable back then with folk saying they would be many years away. Even then we were told that 20,000 deaths would be a good result, we have over 150,000 at the moment and nearly 400 yesterday. Any sensible Gov would, in the face of an unknown and potentially deadly virus which we didnt know fully how it spread, would lock down and buy time. We absolutely had to protect the NHS so it wouldn't be overwhelmed and not cope with the peaks of the pandemic. Health workers were in bin bags and ski goggles in the wards and shitting themselves, unfortunately many died die to lack of PPE. Thousands of folks grannies and grandads were dying in unprotected care homes, cared for by brave souls on a minimum wage and no PPE either. For that miserable, toe rag fecker JRM to suggest the rules were 'too strict' in order to protect that cheating bag of shit of a PM is beyond words, beyond any words I can muster!

Oh I totally agree, my next door neighbour works in medical research but because she is also a trained nurse she and others were called in to the wards in 2020 to replace the nurses who were ill with covid themselves, the attrition was terrible, the equipment insufficient and they went to work every day not knowing what would happen.
As you say this was before the vaccines (there has never been vaccine for a corona virus before now iirc) and she didn't know how much risk she was putting herself and her immediate family under.

My comment on JRM was merely to say that I would not take anything that person said seriously, his is a manufactured persona, made to further his own aims and fuck the rest of us.