From the article posted elsewhere, it’s pretty clear that all three have said thanks, but no thanks.
Exactly. It'd be a total waste. I edited my previous post to say it but Lynagh has nothing to complain about - he wasn't treated like Odogwu and instead should be thrilled that he was brought into the training squad at this stage of his career.Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:36 pmFrom the article posted elsewhere, it’s pretty clear that all three have said thanks, but no thanks.
Even if Eddie doesn’t pick them, he’s only going to be around for another two years, so there will still be opportunities for all three to play for England (and especially so for Odogwu and Lynagh). Playing for Italy might also jeopardize their club contracts, as it would make them unavailable during the international season.
Only 18 months left of Eddie.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:56 pmSaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:04 pmItaly talking to Lozowski (Italian Granny) as well as Lynagh and OdogwuItaly head coach Kieran Crowley says he has spoken directly with Harlequins wing Louis Lynagh and Saracens fly-half Alex Lozowski about their availability for the Azzurri. The New Zealander also confirmed there had been contact with Wasps wing Paolo Odogwu, whose father is of Italian descent, on the same subject.
They'd be mad not to join Italy. Eddie Jones must have fucked them off royally with his bizarre selection strategy. Who's going to trust the process is meritocratic for the RWC with him still in charge?
From what Andrea Masi has said, if the FIR had pulled their finger out sooner Odogwu would already be playing for ItalyJM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:38 pmExactly. It'd be a total waste. I edited my previous post to say it but Lynagh has nothing to complain about - he wasn't treated like Odogwu and instead should be thrilled that he was brought into the training squad at this stage of his career.Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:36 pmFrom the article posted elsewhere, it’s pretty clear that all three have said thanks, but no thanks.
Even if Eddie doesn’t pick them, he’s only going to be around for another two years, so there will still be opportunities for all three to play for England (and especially so for Odogwu and Lynagh). Playing for Italy might also jeopardize their club contracts, as it would make them unavailable during the international season.
There was absolutely a window in which they could have had him, when he was with Sale, they'd loaned him out to nat 1 I think?sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:46 pmFrom what Andrea Masi has said, if the FIR had pulled their finger out sooner Odogwu would already be playing for ItalyJM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:38 pmExactly. It'd be a total waste. I edited my previous post to say it but Lynagh has nothing to complain about - he wasn't treated like Odogwu and instead should be thrilled that he was brought into the training squad at this stage of his career.Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:36 pm
From the article posted elsewhere, it’s pretty clear that all three have said thanks, but no thanks.
Even if Eddie doesn’t pick them, he’s only going to be around for another two years, so there will still be opportunities for all three to play for England (and especially so for Odogwu and Lynagh). Playing for Italy might also jeopardize their club contracts, as it would make them unavailable during the international season.
36 was unlucky in who he played with and when. Often between a crowbar and a brick, brought on chasing a game and felt he had to force passes to make something happen. His defence was pretty good, workrate first-rate and he had all the skills. Most all-round 12 we’ve had since Greenwood/Catt days (both of whom also missed tackles now and again…).inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:34 pmI thought I'd referenced Twelvetrees actually putting in an impressive defensive shift in an England shirt.
His defensive 'crime' seems to be mucking up one tackle (noting that this isn't generally seen as the reason for his future non-selection) - which Lozowski has also done.
Midfield merry-go-round
Since 2016 Eddie Jones has used 28 different midfield combinations wearing numbers 10, 12 and 13. He will use a 29th against Scotland next weekend
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18
Ford-Farrell-Slade
8
Ford-Farrell-Tuilagi
8
Farrell-Tuilagi-Slade
4
Ford-Francis-Joseph
3
Ford-Farrell-Te’o
3
Farrell-Te’o-Slade
3
Ford-Lozowski-Slade
2
Farrell-Slade-Lawrence
2
Ford-Burrell-Joseph
1
Farrell-Burrell-Joseph
1
Ford-Farrell-Daly
1
Ford-Francis-Slade
1
Ford-Slade-Joseph
1
Farrell-Te’o-Joseph
1
Cipriani-Farrell-Slade
1
Ford-Lozowski-Nowell
1
Farrell-Te’o-Tuilagi
1
Farrell-Francis-Marchant
1
Farrell-Tuilagi-Slade
1
Farrell-Slade-Joseph
1
Farrell-Lawrence-Slade
1
Ford-Farrell-Lawrence
1
Smith-Lawrence-Slade
1
Smith-Kelly-Slade
1
Furbank-Tuilagi-Slade
1
Smith-Farrell-Slade
1
Smith-Tuilagi-Slade
1
Chart: The Times and The Sunday Times
Woddy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:14 pm At least we got to see Smith, Manu, Slade for 5 glorious minutes and it worked for as long as Manu's hamstring held (or whatever it was). So we can posit that it would have done with Ford too.
Interesting to see the changes since the 2019 final team. Had forgotten that Jones went for a 5-3 bench, and against SA of all teams. We were light on locks for the tournament! Of those likely playing in the 6Ns, I'd say that Nowell and Genge were in the gang for 2019, just didn't play or sub in the final for reasons. I've not seen anything to suggest Jones has changed direction. The biggest differences are that we now have a FB who can catch the high ball and that we don't have a crash-ball 8. The latter is enforced by lack of suitable candidates rather than a deliberate tactical switch, I'd argue.
Don’t hold your breath. We’ve picked Max Ojomoh
Given that Quins are missing what, 5 starters to England? i am expecting it will only be a 40 point shellacking.
Trouble is, he’s been exposed to the jacuzzi as well
Plenty of injuries, mind, and Jones is having to start. 3rd choice blindside playing 8, bin juice at 7, third choice lock at 6 - it's an ugly back row given the absentees elsewhere. Can see it being a really patchy performanceASMO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:25 amGiven that Quins are missing what, 5 starters to England? i am expecting it will only be a 40 point shellacking.
I don't think Sale can sustain and stream of penalties, yellow cards and lost points that Jono Ross brings more than anything else, he is a liability.Brazil wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:46 am I'd have Mercer at Sale in a heartbeat, particularly given that Jono Ross can't sustain the concussions he's getting for much longer, at least going by what he puts up on Twitter.
Bath look properly fucked, I really can't see how Hooper can continue and it needs a proper root and branch clear out through the whole system from the looks of it.
Not for England, he isn't.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:18 pmWoddy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:14 pm At least we got to see Smith, Manu, Slade for 5 glorious minutes and it worked for as long as Manu's hamstring held (or whatever it was). So we can posit that it would have done with Ford too.
Interesting to see the changes since the 2019 final team. Had forgotten that Jones went for a 5-3 bench, and against SA of all teams. We were light on locks for the tournament! Of those likely playing in the 6Ns, I'd say that Nowell and Genge were in the gang for 2019, just didn't play or sub in the final for reasons. I've not seen anything to suggest Jones has changed direction. The biggest differences are that we now have a FB who can catch the high ball and that we don't have a crash-ball 8. The latter is enforced by lack of suitable candidates rather than a deliberate tactical switch, I'd argue.
Billy Vunipola is still playing.
Woddy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:09 pmNot for England, he isn't.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:18 pmWoddy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:14 pm At least we got to see Smith, Manu, Slade for 5 glorious minutes and it worked for as long as Manu's hamstring held (or whatever it was). So we can posit that it would have done with Ford too.
Interesting to see the changes since the 2019 final team. Had forgotten that Jones went for a 5-3 bench, and against SA of all teams. We were light on locks for the tournament! Of those likely playing in the 6Ns, I'd say that Nowell and Genge were in the gang for 2019, just didn't play or sub in the final for reasons. I've not seen anything to suggest Jones has changed direction. The biggest differences are that we now have a FB who can catch the high ball and that we don't have a crash-ball 8. The latter is enforced by lack of suitable candidates rather than a deliberate tactical switch, I'd argue.
Billy Vunipola is still playing.
When I saw the squad announcement I just thought someone had mucked up the numbers/order.
He got chopped around the backrow a bit which didn't help matters.Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:10 am Whilst we're on a laugh at Bath trip, this is a good one. How on earth can you have a talent like Mercer in your squad and not make him feel valued?
