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This about ssums up these useless bunch of bastards. The most useless and incompetent Secretary of State ever gets a reward.........probably for keeping his mouth shut. What a tinp[ot state we live in.
Boris Johnson has awarded a knighthood to Gavin Williamson, who was sacked as defence secretary for allegedly leaking secure information before presiding over a series of exams debacles as education secretary.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics ... -johnson
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SaintK wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:38 pm This about ssums up these useless bunch of bastards. The most useless and incompetent Secretary of State ever gets a reward.........probably for keeping his mouth shut. What a tinp[ot state we live in.
Boris Johnson has awarded a knighthood to Gavin Williamson, who was sacked as defence secretary for allegedly leaking secure information before presiding over a series of exams debacles as education secretary.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics ... -johnson
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GogLais wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:39 pm
SaintK wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:38 pm This about ssums up these useless bunch of bastards. The most useless and incompetent Secretary of State ever gets a reward.........probably for keeping his mouth shut. What a tinp[ot state we live in.
Boris Johnson has awarded a knighthood to Gavin Williamson, who was sacked as defence secretary for allegedly leaking secure information before presiding over a series of exams debacles as education secretary.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics ... -johnson
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SaintK wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:38 pm This about ssums up these useless bunch of bastards. The most useless and incompetent Secretary of State ever gets a reward.........probably for keeping his mouth shut. What a tinp[ot state we live in.
Boris Johnson has awarded a knighthood to Gavin Williamson, who was sacked as defence secretary for allegedly leaking secure information before presiding over a series of exams debacles as education secretary.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics ... -johnson
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I like neeps wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:47 pm

When your economy relies on dirty monies...
There are a few posts on another thread (which I can't seem to find), which cast doubt on the provenance of this graph.

In particular, some posters had claimed that the figure for the UK was 228 and that Bloomberg had apologised for the misinformation and withdrawn the graph.

While this is probably true, the BBC casts doubt on Boris' figures.

https://www.bbc.com/news/60591547
But UK officials told BBC News that the figure also includes the major subsidiaries of the companies. They said, for example, the sanctioned company Rostec has about 60 subsidiaries, all of which could count towards the number sanctioned.
Nevertheless, I think the UK should be applauded for its efforts in training and supplying Ukrainian forces.
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Rinkals wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:40 am Nevertheless, I think the UK should be applauded for its efforts in training and supplying Ukrainian forces.

This is indeed important, because he helps them fight it out for longer, but the sanctions are critical too, because they hurt the people propping up Putin, & if they start to feel some pain, then they will start looking to stop the invasion.

The UK is pissing about with applying sanctions to people, & companies, that the US & other hit in 2014 FFS !!
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fishfoodie wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:59 am
Rinkals wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:40 am Nevertheless, I think the UK should be applauded for its efforts in training and supplying Ukrainian forces.

This is indeed important, because he helps them fight it out for longer, but the sanctions are critical too, because they hurt the people propping up Putin, & if they start to feel some pain, then they will start looking to stop the invasion.

The UK is pissing about with applying sanctions to people, & companies, that the US & other hit in 2014 FFS !!
The Tory Party and London is awash with Russian money. This needs to be investigated and reported to the public swiftly and no stone unturned. Any organisation or political party or company that profited from these gangsters should be outed.
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C69 wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:39 am
fishfoodie wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:59 am
Rinkals wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:40 am Nevertheless, I think the UK should be applauded for its efforts in training and supplying Ukrainian forces.

This is indeed important, because he helps them fight it out for longer, but the sanctions are critical too, because they hurt the people propping up Putin, & if they start to feel some pain, then they will start looking to stop the invasion.

The UK is pissing about with applying sanctions to people, & companies, that the US & other hit in 2014 FFS !!
The Tory Party and London is awash with Russian money. This needs to be investigated and reported to the public swiftly and no stone unturned. Any organisation or political party or company that profited from these gangsters should be outed.
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The security and defence committee investigated and produced a report emphasising how much the uk is awash (their word) with Russian money and basically saying Britain is compromised. Johnson sat on it and prevented publication for more than a year and then it was heavily redacted before publication. But it’s hardly been covered because the media is so compromised by that same money.
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C69 wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:39 am
fishfoodie wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:59 am
Rinkals wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:40 am Nevertheless, I think the UK should be applauded for its efforts in training and supplying Ukrainian forces.

This is indeed important, because he helps them fight it out for longer, but the sanctions are critical too, because they hurt the people propping up Putin, & if they start to feel some pain, then they will start looking to stop the invasion.

The UK is pissing about with applying sanctions to people, & companies, that the US & other hit in 2014 FFS !!
The Tory Party and London is awash with Russian money. This needs to be investigated and reported to the public swiftly and no stone unturned. Any organisation or political party or company that profited from these gangsters should be outed.
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And it’s not even getting us a friendly or compliant Russia.
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Biffer wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:45 am
C69 wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:39 am
fishfoodie wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:59 am


This is indeed important, because he helps them fight it out for longer, but the sanctions are critical too, because they hurt the people propping up Putin, & if they start to feel some pain, then they will start looking to stop the invasion.

The UK is pissing about with applying sanctions to people, & companies, that the US & other hit in 2014 FFS !!
The Tory Party and London is awash with Russian money. This needs to be investigated and reported to the public swiftly and no stone unturned. Any organisation or political party or company that profited from these gangsters should be outed.
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The security and defence committee investigated and produced a report emphasising how much the uk is awash (their word) with Russian money and basically saying Britain is compromised. Johnson sat on it and prevented publication for more than a year and then it was heavily redacted before publication. But it’s hardly been covered because the media is so compromised by that same money.
"the media is so compromised by that same money"

It's frustrating to see the media so consistently undermined and demonised.

I suppose part of the problem is that journalists work for the Press Barons who control them and the days of real investigative journalism have been lost in the owners' self interests and the readership's inherent biases.

The constant refrain of "fake news" is a ploy by our political masters to allow them to evade accountability and promotes an uninformed, and ignorant electorate.
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Rinkals wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:55 am
Biffer wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:45 am
C69 wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:39 am
The Tory Party and London is awash with Russian money. This needs to be investigated and reported to the public swiftly and no stone unturned. Any organisation or political party or company that profited from these gangsters should be outed.
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The security and defence committee investigated and produced a report emphasising how much the uk is awash (their word) with Russian money and basically saying Britain is compromised. Johnson sat on it and prevented publication for more than a year and then it was heavily redacted before publication. But it’s hardly been covered because the media is so compromised by that same money.
"the media is so compromised by that same money"

It's frustrating to see the media so consistently undermined and demonised.

I suppose part of the problem is that journalists work for the Press Barons who control them and the days of real investigative journalism have been lost in the owners' self interests and the readership's inherent biases.

The constant refrain of "fake news" is a ploy by our political masters to allow them to evade accountability and promotes an uninformed, and ignorant electorate.
Two papers owned by Lebedev
Murdoch chums with Putin
Other owners up to their necks in oligar hs.
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Paywalled article so can only post a piece of it
Boris Johnson’s Russian crony Evgeny Lebedev got peerage after spies dropped warning.

The security services withdrew an assessment that granting a peerage to a Russian businessman posed a national security risk after Boris Johnson intervened.

The prime minister pushed ahead with the nomination of his friend Evgeny Lebedev, the Moscow-born son of an ex-KGB agent and media mogul, even after intelligence officials raised concerns.

Johnson is said to have responded to advice to drop it by claiming: “This is anti-Russianism.” In March 2020, the House of Lords Appointments Commission (Holac), which vets peerages, wrote to the prime minister advising him against granting Lebedev, 41, a lifetime seat in the Lords

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bori ... -3dp6sw29x
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Biffer wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:28 pm
Rinkals wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:55 am
Biffer wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:45 am

The security and defence committee investigated and produced a report emphasising how much the uk is awash (their word) with Russian money and basically saying Britain is compromised. Johnson sat on it and prevented publication for more than a year and then it was heavily redacted before publication. But it’s hardly been covered because the media is so compromised by that same money.
"the media is so compromised by that same money"

It's frustrating to see the media so consistently undermined and demonised.

I suppose part of the problem is that journalists work for the Press Barons who control them and the days of real investigative journalism have been lost in the owners' self interests and the readership's inherent biases.

The constant refrain of "fake news" is a ploy by our political masters to allow them to evade accountability and promotes an uninformed, and ignorant electorate.
Two papers owned by Lebedev
Murdoch chums with Putin
Other owners up to their necks in oligar hs.
Ok, I see what you are saying.

Still burns my arse, though.

Even if those papers don't cover the story, you would expect the BBC to cover it. (Another reason the BBC should not be sold or placed under direct Government control).
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Anyone else think the dodgy Russki connections will be a step too far for even the slippery, teflon coated Blonde Bumblecunt? He will have lost a significant financial backing from his oligarch mates and a number of more traditional Tories are now stepping well back to try and avoid any shit hitting them when it hits the fan. Feels like a number of MPs and journalists know more than they are letting on but deciding this isn't the right time to break what they know. The info now being released about the links with dodgy Russian money and the various opaque Brexit 'Vote Leave' type organisations is growing daily. The Tory Party vice Chairman Ben Elliot role and links with oligarchs is looking very suspicious indeed. Knighting the twat Dowden because of what he knows stuck in everyones craw. I think the Blonde Bumblecunt is feeling the net tightening around him and his KGB handler Carrie will be looking for a way out soon.
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50 visas issued by UK and folk arriving at Calais being told to go to Paris or Brussels for a visa - feckin miserable bastards! Apparently, according to the measly Cleverly on breakfast TV, we are working on 'new immigration processes' to get more refugees in. What a pile of shite a bit like we were moving heaven and earth to bring Afghanistans here after deserting them! This disaster has been coming for weeks and at the very least the Gov should have already:

- declared a target for Ukrainian refugees with no connections into UK - say 50k - over and above other routes
- set up a air corridor from Poland or similar to fly refugees directly into UK cities
- work with local councils to establish target numbers and prepare for arrival ie health care, etc.
- provided guidance to all councils on managing refugees expected and outline national support available
- set up a database of all UK folk who are willing to house refugees and check them out to avoid the usual nut jobs
- agreed a funding package to enable refugees/families looking after them some resource to help them survive
- work with local and international charities to set up support networks ie translation services, etc
- support schools with resources to take kids asap when they arrive

I honestly cannot believe we don't have a 'plan' for taking in refugees already prepared and able to be put into operation within hours. Perhaps we do but this bunch of cunts don't want to do it?

Although the refugee crisis is 'over there' in Europe the reality is it is less than a 3 hour flight away. We can get these poor folk in asap just as easily as it is for my mates to go on a weekend stag night in Warsaw and still get back home for work on the Monday morning. We need to do our share. However the bunch of miserable, xenophobic, miserable bastards in Gov are more interested in protecting their Russki cronies and their dodgy funding than they are poor women and kids fleeing from a country fighting to prevent Putin endanger the whole of Europe. They are feckin bastards and make me sick!
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dpedin wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:36 pm Anyone else think the dodgy Russki connections will be a step too far for even the slippery, teflon coated Blonde Bumblecunt? He will have lost a significant financial backing from his oligarch mates and a number of more traditional Tories are now stepping well back to try and avoid any shit hitting them when it hits the fan. Feels like a number of MPs and journalists know more than they are letting on but deciding this isn't the right time to break what they know. The info now being released about the links with dodgy Russian money and the various opaque Brexit 'Vote Leave' type organisations is growing daily. The Tory Party vice Chairman Ben Elliot role and links with oligarchs is looking very suspicious indeed. Knighting the twat Dowden because of what he knows stuck in everyones craw. I think the Blonde Bumblecunt is feeling the net tightening around him and his KGB handler Carrie will be looking for a way out soon.
I think you mean the twat Gavin Williamson. The twat Dowden hasn't been knighted yet.
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Lobby wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:37 am
dpedin wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:36 pm Anyone else think the dodgy Russki connections will be a step too far for even the slippery, teflon coated Blonde Bumblecunt? He will have lost a significant financial backing from his oligarch mates and a number of more traditional Tories are now stepping well back to try and avoid any shit hitting them when it hits the fan. Feels like a number of MPs and journalists know more than they are letting on but deciding this isn't the right time to break what they know. The info now being released about the links with dodgy Russian money and the various opaque Brexit 'Vote Leave' type organisations is growing daily. The Tory Party vice Chairman Ben Elliot role and links with oligarchs is looking very suspicious indeed. Knighting the twat Dowden because of what he knows stuck in everyones craw. I think the Blonde Bumblecunt is feeling the net tightening around him and his KGB handler Carrie will be looking for a way out soon.
I think you mean the twat Gavin Williamson. The twat Dowden hasn't been knighted yet.
Oooops! Yes - Williamson was who I meant. Too many Frank Spencer lookalike twats to choose from, no doubt Dowden will be next though!
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dpedin wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:36 pm Anyone else think the dodgy Russki connections will be a step too far for even the slippery, teflon coated Blonde Bumblecunt? He will have lost a significant financial backing from his oligarch mates and a number of more traditional Tories are now stepping well back to try and avoid any shit hitting them when it hits the fan. Feels like a number of MPs and journalists know more than they are letting on but deciding this isn't the right time to break what they know. The info now being released about the links with dodgy Russian money and the various opaque Brexit 'Vote Leave' type organisations is growing daily. The Tory Party vice Chairman Ben Elliot role and links with oligarchs is looking very suspicious indeed. Knighting the twat Dowden because of what he knows stuck in everyones craw. I think the Blonde Bumblecunt is feeling the net tightening around him and his KGB handler Carrie will be looking for a way out soon.
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Bercow branded a 'serial bully' and 'serial liar' by parliamentary standards watchdog
The independent expert panel, the body set up to consider bullying and harrassment allegations against MPs, has now published its report into the allegations against John Bercow, the former Commons Speaker. It’s here (pdf).

This is probably the most damning report published by the IEP since it was set up in 2020. It describes Bercow as a liar. In reference to one complaint it says:
The findings of the parliamentary commissioner for standards, which we have upheld, show that the respondent has been a serial bully ...

His evidence in the investigations, the findings of the commissioner, and his submissions to us, show also that the respondent has been a serial liar.

His behaviour fell very far below that which the public has a right to expect from any member of parliament.

The respondent’s conduct was so serious that, had he still been a member of parliament, we would have determined that he should be expelled by resolution of the house. As it is, we recommend that he should never be permitted a pass to the parliamentary estate.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... g-inquiry
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Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:57 pm
To make one blunder is understandable, to keep making blunders shows what a walking disaster area she is :roll:
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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:59 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:57 pm
To make one blunder is understandable, to keep making blunders shows what a walking disaster area she is :roll:
But she's got another photo for her Instagram and Twitter accounts..........yay!!!
What a vapid idiot she is
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The real reason Patel doesn't want a Visa clearance centre based in Calais?
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SaintK wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:47 am The real reason Patel doesn't want a Visa clearance centre based in Calais?
Listening to the reports of the shameful treatment of Ukrainian refugees this morning it occurred to me that:

a. the whole visa process is deliberately designed to make it as difficult as possible for refugees and others to obtain a visa, and is completely unfit for purpose when there is a humanitarian crisis unfolding that requires swift action.

b. whatever they might say, the government won't make the necessary changes to ease the process for Ukrainian refugees, in part because the Home Office is simply not competent to do so, but mainly because the government is unwilling to change its attitude to refugees.

c. while the simplest fix would be to set up temporary visa checks in Calais, the government won't do so because they won't want to create a precedent that refugees can be processed in Calais, and aren't willing to sacrifice this principle for the sake of assisting Ukrainian refugees.

So, I think it is quite correct to assume that Patel and the Home Office will do all they can not to set up a centre in Calais.
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Lobby wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:59 am
SaintK wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:47 am The real reason Patel doesn't want a Visa clearance centre based in Calais?
Listening to the reports of the shameful treatment of Ukrainian refugees this morning it occurred to me that:

a. the whole visa process is deliberately designed to make it as difficult as possible for refugees and others to obtain a visa, and is completely unfit for purpose when there is a humanitarian crisis unfolding that requires swift action.

b. whatever they might say, the government won't make the necessary changes to ease the process for Ukrainian refugees, in part because the Home Office is simply not competent to do so, but mainly because the government is unwilling to change its attitude to refugees.

c. while the simplest fix would be to set up temporary visa checks in Calais, the government won't do so because they won't want to create a precedent that refugees can be processed in Calais, and aren't willing to sacrifice this principle for the sake of assisting Ukrainian refugees.

So, I think it is quite correct to assume that Patel and the Home Office will do all they can not to set up a centre in Calais.
I anyone genuinely surprised about that? The Tories have made it clear for the past decade that this was how they were setting our system up and fuck anyone who didn't like it? There's no 'oh, but' and no 'well, maybe'. This is what they said they were going to do and people voted for it.

This is the responsibility of the British people.
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Biffer wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:16 pm
Lobby wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:59 am
SaintK wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:47 am The real reason Patel doesn't want a Visa clearance centre based in Calais?
Listening to the reports of the shameful treatment of Ukrainian refugees this morning it occurred to me that:

a. the whole visa process is deliberately designed to make it as difficult as possible for refugees and others to obtain a visa, and is completely unfit for purpose when there is a humanitarian crisis unfolding that requires swift action.

b. whatever they might say, the government won't make the necessary changes to ease the process for Ukrainian refugees, in part because the Home Office is simply not competent to do so, but mainly because the government is unwilling to change its attitude to refugees.

c. while the simplest fix would be to set up temporary visa checks in Calais, the government won't do so because they won't want to create a precedent that refugees can be processed in Calais, and aren't willing to sacrifice this principle for the sake of assisting Ukrainian refugees.

So, I think it is quite correct to assume that Patel and the Home Office will do all they can not to set up a centre in Calais.
I anyone genuinely surprised about that? The Tories have made it clear for the past decade that this was how they were setting our system up and fuck anyone who didn't like it? There's no 'oh, but' and no 'well, maybe'. This is what they said they were going to do and people voted for it.

This is the responsibility of the British people.
I actually am genuinely surprised. Honestly didn't think it would go this low. Stupid me.
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Slick wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:31 pm
Biffer wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:16 pm
Lobby wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:59 am

Listening to the reports of the shameful treatment of Ukrainian refugees this morning it occurred to me that:

a. the whole visa process is deliberately designed to make it as difficult as possible for refugees and others to obtain a visa, and is completely unfit for purpose when there is a humanitarian crisis unfolding that requires swift action.

b. whatever they might say, the government won't make the necessary changes to ease the process for Ukrainian refugees, in part because the Home Office is simply not competent to do so, but mainly because the government is unwilling to change its attitude to refugees.

c. while the simplest fix would be to set up temporary visa checks in Calais, the government won't do so because they won't want to create a precedent that refugees can be processed in Calais, and aren't willing to sacrifice this principle for the sake of assisting Ukrainian refugees.

So, I think it is quite correct to assume that Patel and the Home Office will do all they can not to set up a centre in Calais.
I anyone genuinely surprised about that? The Tories have made it clear for the past decade that this was how they were setting our system up and fuck anyone who didn't like it? There's no 'oh, but' and no 'well, maybe'. This is what they said they were going to do and people voted for it.

This is the responsibility of the British people.
I actually am genuinely surprised. Honestly didn't think it would go this low. Stupid me.
Not going to criticise anyone directly, but they've been saying this is what they were doing for nearly a decade. It's Theresa May's Hostile Environment. None of this was hidden.
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Not going to criticise anyone directly, but they've been saying this is what they were doing for nearly a decade. It's Theresa May's Hostile Environment. None of this was hidden.
Yup, get all that of course, but in this particular case I didn't see it coming. It seems they have actually been pretty good in terms of providing arms for months, pulling nations together for sanctions etc and I just presumed after an initial fuck up (what I thought was a fuck up) everything would fall into place and we would be bending over backwards to help these poor cunts.

I'm actually feel sick seeing what is happening now, utterly shameful. I genuinely didn't think they would have it in them to act this way. Naivety, stupidity, call it what you want, but I can't believe how this is unfolding.
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Of all the things to be shocked about this is absolutely the least surprising. This has been a stated government aim. Asylum seeker has been a byword for some sort of psuedo-criminal in the British press for the last 20-30 years.

In your mind's eye what does the term asylum seeker conjure up? We have all been conditioned to think of them as illegal immigrants probably Islamic or African with nefarious intentions.

It's only that we now have white refugees streaming across Europe that suddenly folk are questioning the policy.
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Biffer wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:16 pm
Lobby wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:59 am
SaintK wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:47 am The real reason Patel doesn't want a Visa clearance centre based in Calais?
Listening to the reports of the shameful treatment of Ukrainian refugees this morning it occurred to me that:

a. the whole visa process is deliberately designed to make it as difficult as possible for refugees and others to obtain a visa, and is completely unfit for purpose when there is a humanitarian crisis unfolding that requires swift action.

b. whatever they might say, the government won't make the necessary changes to ease the process for Ukrainian refugees, in part because the Home Office is simply not competent to do so, but mainly because the government is unwilling to change its attitude to refugees.

c. while the simplest fix would be to set up temporary visa checks in Calais, the government won't do so because they won't want to create a precedent that refugees can be processed in Calais, and aren't willing to sacrifice this principle for the sake of assisting Ukrainian refugees.

So, I think it is quite correct to assume that Patel and the Home Office will do all they can not to set up a centre in Calais.
I anyone genuinely surprised about that? The Tories have made it clear for the past decade that this was how they were setting our system up and fuck anyone who didn't like it? There's no 'oh, but' and no 'well, maybe'. This is what they said they were going to do and people voted for it.

This is the responsibility of the British people.
This is Boris, this is Brexit.
This is wholly expected and what people voted for.
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SaintK wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:45 pm Always thought he was a poisonous little dwarf
Bercow branded a 'serial bully' and 'serial liar' by parliamentary standards watchdog
The independent expert panel, the body set up to consider bullying and harrassment allegations against MPs, has now published its report into the allegations against John Bercow, the former Commons Speaker. It’s here (pdf).

This is probably the most damning report published by the IEP since it was set up in 2020. It describes Bercow as a liar. In reference to one complaint it says:
The findings of the parliamentary commissioner for standards, which we have upheld, show that the respondent has been a serial bully ...

His evidence in the investigations, the findings of the commissioner, and his submissions to us, show also that the respondent has been a serial liar.

His behaviour fell very far below that which the public has a right to expect from any member of parliament.

The respondent’s conduct was so serious that, had he still been a member of parliament, we would have determined that he should be expelled by resolution of the house. As it is, we recommend that he should never be permitted a pass to the parliamentary estate.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... g-inquiry
You can read the whole report on the Parliament website:

https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/ ... bercow.pdf

The report makes it clear that the investigations were carefully managed and serious and that all of the 21 allegations upheld against him were strongly supported by contemporary written evidence and/or witness statements, and that Bercow’s attempts to defend himself were thoroughly mendacious. As the Epert Panel sets out in its conclusions:

It is clear from our conclusions that the evidence of the respondent, set out extensively in two interviews (and amplified in his responses to the allegations and in his grounds of appeal), was not credible. We are satisfied that his denials of behaviour, alleged and now proved, were quite simply lies, deliberate lies in a vain attempt to excuse the inexcusable.

The detailed allegations are also set out in the report. Bercow’s behaviour towards the people working for him was astonishing and completely unacceptable. An odious little shit.
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C69 wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 2:27 pm
Biffer wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:16 pm
Lobby wrote: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:59 am

Listening to the reports of the shameful treatment of Ukrainian refugees this morning it occurred to me that:

a. the whole visa process is deliberately designed to make it as difficult as possible for refugees and others to obtain a visa, and is completely unfit for purpose when there is a humanitarian crisis unfolding that requires swift action.

b. whatever they might say, the government won't make the necessary changes to ease the process for Ukrainian refugees, in part because the Home Office is simply not competent to do so, but mainly because the government is unwilling to change its attitude to refugees.

c. while the simplest fix would be to set up temporary visa checks in Calais, the government won't do so because they won't want to create a precedent that refugees can be processed in Calais, and aren't willing to sacrifice this principle for the sake of assisting Ukrainian refugees.

So, I think it is quite correct to assume that Patel and the Home Office will do all they can not to set up a centre in Calais.
I anyone genuinely surprised about that? The Tories have made it clear for the past decade that this was how they were setting our system up and fuck anyone who didn't like it? There's no 'oh, but' and no 'well, maybe'. This is what they said they were going to do and people voted for it.

This is the responsibility of the British people.
This is Boris, this is Brexit.
This is wholly expected and what people voted for.
Exactly, no-one should be surprised at the UK Gov response to the refugee crisis, it is what was always intended and planned. Hopefully folk will realise now that Boris and his Brexit cronies are racist, soulless xenophobes who are stripping this country bare for themselves and their rich millionaire and oligarch buddies whilst shitting on Joe Public from a great hight. They are more interested in protecting their Russian buddies and funders than they are protecting the health, wealth or well being of the UK public. They just don't give a shit whether the Ukrainians are refugees, economic migrants, women and children, grannies and grandads, disabled, white or brown or whatever they will not let them in and use the bureaucratic bullshit to make it clear that no-one is welcome. This is a Gov who are passing laws to get rid of its own citizens if they don't like them by unilaterally taking away their citizenship and making them stateless, against international law, so why would they welcome more 'foreigners'. They are, to put it bluntly, a bunch of heartless, greedy cunts. This is the end result of Brexit - if you voted for it, own it!
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Not that I like Nick Ferrari at all but he's spot on here ( play with sound)

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