6N Ireland v Scotland ... if they can get their players out of the Pub

[fishfoodie]

Well I suppose someone has to start a thread

Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Date: Saturday, 19 March
Kick-off: 16:45 GMT

Ireland: Keenan; Hansen, Ringrose, Aki, Lowe; Sexton, Gibson-Park; Healy, Sheehan, Furlong, Beirne, Henderson, Doris, Van der Flier, Conan.
Replacements: Herring, Kilcoyne, Bealham, Treadwell, O'Mahony, Murray, Carbery, Henshaw.


Scotland: Hogg; Graham, Harris, Johnson, Steyn; Kinghorn, Price; M Fagerson, Watson, Darge; Gilchrist, J Gray; Z Fagerson, Turner, Schoeman.
Replacements: Brown, Dell, Nel, Skinner, Bayliss, White, Russell, Bennett.

[westport]

Comfortable Ireland win.

[fishfoodie]

Comfortable Ireland win.

Bookies say Ireland +17 which feels about right, if we can keep 15 men on the Pitch

They also have France +8, which looks a much better bet

[Slick]

Home team always start the thread old boy.

Well done and decent title

Just can’t see anywhere we can win this. Would have said that with a full squad but with quite a few key injuries seems impossible

[Uncle fester]

I'd say Scotland will be going after our set piece, especially the scrum. Get at those and they've a very good chance.

[Yr Alban]

I'd say Scotland will be going after our set piece, especially the scrum. Get at those and they've a very good chance.

We really don’t. There are times when I’ve felt reasonably confident v Ireland but this isn’t one of them.

My hope for the game is that we give it a lash and take the game to Ireland a bit. But we are 100% going to lose, and probably by a couple of scores.

[Biffer]

I have a horrible feeling we have a red card and an historic loss coming.

[lemonhead]

Setpiece and breakdown, simple enough.

Scots have one decent showing in them this tournament and I don't think England was the best they can do. We've not put in a complete 80 either, looking forward to this.

[Jock42]

The fact I'm now not working and there's a change in the team (and I'm on my 4th ossian) has me feeling optimistic.

Jocks by 5

[Happyhooker]

I have a horrible feeling we have a red card and an historic loss coming.

Oi, stop stealing our schtick

[Tichtheid]

I went for Scotland by 5 on Superbru and got a telling off -“Are you sure? You’re picking quite an upset”

How rude.

Realistically if Ireland don't win by 25 I'll be surprised.

They are everything we aren't, accurate and disciplined.

We could turn it on right enough if Ireland stay way back on the defensive line and let us play. If they don't go after our lineout or compete at the breakdown

[Ovals]

I went for Scotland by 5 on Superbru and got a telling off -“Are you sure? You’re picking quite an upset”

How rude.

Realistically if Ireland don't win by 25 I'll be surprised.

They are everything we aren't, accurate and disciplined.

We could turn it on right enough if Ireland stay way back on the defensive line and let us play. If they don't go after our lineout or compete at the breakdown

I expect Ireland to win fairly comfortably but they haven't been at their best in the last 2 games - so it may turn out to be closer than expected.

[fishfoodie]

I went for Scotland by 5 on Superbru and got a telling off -“Are you sure? You’re picking quite an upset”

How rude.

Realistically if Ireland don't win by 25 I'll be surprised.

They are everything we aren't, accurate and disciplined.

We could turn it on right enough if Ireland stay way back on the defensive line and let us play. If they don't go after our lineout or compete at the breakdown

I expect Ireland to win fairly comfortably but they haven't been at their best in the last 2 games - so it may turn out to be closer than expected.

I tend to agree.

We're kinda the opposite of England; we've options on the wings, & a coach who is actually prepared to play them.

I always think that with wingers, you're a mug if you don't pick purely on who is playing on form at the time; so picking Hansen at the mo is spot on

Scotland always seem to stifle what our plan is, so it'll be interesting to see if we've evolved to not let that happen, & like England, despite what happens on the pitch, we still get the ultimate objective of the try bonus point.

[Jock42]

I went for Scotland by 5 on Superbru and got a telling off -“Are you sure? You’re picking quite an upset”

How rude.

Realistically if Ireland don't win by 25 I'll be surprised.

They are everything we aren't, accurate and disciplined.

We could turn it on right enough if Ireland stay way back on the defensive line and let us play. If they don't go after our lineout or compete at the breakdown

I expect Ireland to win fairly comfortably but they haven't been at their best in the last 2 games - so it may turn out to be closer than expected.

I tend to agree.

We're kinda the opposite of England; we've options on the wings, & a coach who is actually prepared to play them.

I always think that with wingers, you're a mug if you don't pick purely on who is playing on form at the time; so picking Hansen at the mo is spot on

Scotland always seem to stifle what our plan is, so it'll be interesting to see if we've evolved to not let that happen, & like England, despite what happens on the pitch, we still get the ultimate objective of the try bonus point.

Fuck me, if that's true they'd be getting proper pumping year on year

[fishfoodie]

I expect Ireland to win fairly comfortably but they haven't been at their best in the last 2 games - so it may turn out to be closer than expected.

I tend to agree.

We're kinda the opposite of England; we've options on the wings, & a coach who is actually prepared to play them.

I always think that with wingers, you're a mug if you don't pick purely on who is playing on form at the time; so picking Hansen at the mo is spot on

Scotland always seem to stifle what our plan is, so it'll be interesting to see if we've evolved to not let that happen, & like England, despite what happens on the pitch, we still get the ultimate objective of the try bonus point.

Fuck me, if that's true they'd be getting proper pumping year on year

Oh come on; you guys always target games against us. It niggles you that we've done the Pro game better, & as a result your always up for it, & are determined to screw things up.

With Wales it was always that Gatland was pissed about the way the IRFU fucked him over; & with the Scots it's always that we're in the position that you expected to be in.

[fishfoodie]

I expect Ireland to win fairly comfortably but they haven't been at their best in the last 2 games - so it may turn out to be closer than expected.

I tend to agree.

We're kinda the opposite of England; we've options on the wings, & a coach who is actually prepared to play them.

I always think that with wingers, you're a mug if you don't pick purely on who is playing on form at the time; so picking Hansen at the mo is spot on

Scotland always seem to stifle what our plan is, so it'll be interesting to see if we've evolved to not let that happen, & like England, despite what happens on the pitch, we still get the ultimate objective of the try bonus point.

Fuck me, if that's true they'd be getting proper pumping year on year

Oh come on; you guys always target games against us. It niggles you that we've done the Pro game better, & as a result your always up for it, & are determined to screw things up.

With Wales it was always that Gatland was pissed about the way the IRFU fucked him over; & with the Scots it's always that we're in the position that you expected to be in.

[Jock42]

Aye it definitely niggles (and then some) but I don’t remember many close games in the last decade +

[Tichtheid]

I tend to agree.

We're kinda the opposite of England; we've options on the wings, & a coach who is actually prepared to play them.

I always think that with wingers, you're a mug if you don't pick purely on who is playing on form at the time; so picking Hansen at the mo is spot on

Scotland always seem to stifle what our plan is, so it'll be interesting to see if we've evolved to not let that happen, & like England, despite what happens on the pitch, we still get the ultimate objective of the try bonus point.

Fuck me, if that's true they'd be getting proper pumping year on year

Oh come on; you guys always target games against us. It niggles you that we've done the Pro game better, & as a result your always up for it, & are determined to screw things up.

With Wales it was always that Gatland was pissed about the way the IRFU fucked him over; & with the Scots it's always that we're in the position that you expected to be in.

I can honestly say that I've never encountered that position or thought about our games in that way.

Personally I've looked to Ireland and thought that one, they were in the lucky place that they have ready-made four provincial rivalries.
Two, they didn't have professional football to compete with, though of course there was the GAA.
Three, they went all in for pro rugby, Scotland had blazers opposing it every step of the way, we still do, believe it or not!
Four, having made the decision to go for rugby they really got behind the teams with the incentives to keep the best players in Ireland.
This also meant that they were able to bring in really top class international players to Leinster and Munster especially but also Ulster.
Connacht got the rough end, but since that march on Dublin and the rise through Elwood and then Lam they are not an afterthought.

It niggles me that Ireland have done the pro game better, but I don't resent Ireland for it, not in the slightest. I resent the bastards at the SRU who prevented us going full swing at it (having said that, the rebuilding of Murrayfield took up a lot of our finances)

[fishfoodie]

Aye it definitely niggles (and then some) but I don’t remember many close games in the last decade +

Sure, there've been a few blow outs, but I never feel any confidence against yea. 2013 we'd grappled a draw with the French, & then fucked up against you.

It's just why Sport why is infuriating, & exhilarating.

2021 Scotland v Ireland 24 - 27
2020 Ireland v Scotland 19 - 12
2019 Scotland v Ireland 13 - 22
2018 Ireland v Scotland 28 - 8
2017 Scotland v Ireland 27 - 22
2016 Ireland v Scotland 35 - 25
2015 Scotland v Ireland 10 - 40
2014 Ireland v Scotland 28 - 6
2013 Scotland v Ireland 12 - 8
2012 Ireland v Scotland 32 - 14

[Big D]

Fuck me, if that's true they'd be getting proper pumping year on year

Oh come on; you guys always target games against us. It niggles you that we've done the Pro game better, & as a result your always up for it, & are determined to screw things up.

With Wales it was always that Gatland was pissed about the way the IRFU fucked him over; & with the Scots it's always that we're in the position that you expected to be in.

I can honestly say that I've never encountered that position or thought about our games in that way.

Personally I've looked to Ireland and thought that one, they were in the lucky place that they have ready-made four provincial rivalries.
Two, they didn't have professional football to compete with, though of course there was the GAA.
Three, they went all in for pro rugby, Scotland had blazers opposing it every step of the way, we still do, believe it or not!
Four, having made the decision to go for rugby they really got behind the teams with the incentives to keep the best players in Ireland.
This also meant that they were able to bring in really top class international players to Leinster and Munster especially but also Ulster.
Connacht got the rough end, but since that march on Dublin and the rise through Elwood and then Lam they are not an afterthought.

It niggles me that Ireland have done the pro game better, but I don't resent Ireland for it, not in the slightest. I resent the bastards at the SRU who prevented us going full swing at it (having said that, the rebuilding of Murrayfield took up a lot of our finances)

I think your brackets nail it. Blazers were a problem but the SRU were fighting debt for what felt like decades. Don't think the blazers would have got the set up right so perhaps wouldn't have made a difference.

[Tichtheid]

I think your brackets nail it. Blazers were a problem but the SRU were fighting debt for what felt like decades. Don't think the blazers would have got the set up right so perhaps wouldn't have made a difference.

If we are comparing Scotland and Ireland for pro rugby, then Glasgow and Edinburgh are our top two supported cities. Glasgow obviously has over a hundred thousand supporters going to Ibrox and Parkhead every week, Hibs and Hearts don't get half that but near half.
Plus there are the other football teams in the cities that draw supporters.

For third and fourth cities for rugby we don't have them, the supposed heartlands in the Borders wouldn't support a team due to local rivalry and the Highlands are too dispersed.

[Big D]

I think your brackets nail it. Blazers were a problem but the SRU were fighting debt for what felt like decades. Don't think the blazers would have got the set up right so perhaps wouldn't have made a difference.

If we are comparing Scotland and Ireland for pro rugby, then Glasgow and Edinburgh are our top two supported cities. Glasgow obviously has over a hundred thousand supporters going to Ibrox and Parkhead every week, Hibs and Hearts don't get half that but near half.

For third and fourth cities for rugby we don't have them, the supposed heartlands in the Borders wouldn't support a team due to local rivalry and the Highlands are too dispersed.

Not just number of teams although it was alway going to be an issue. The MF refurb meant less money for everything to do with rugby in the country which hurt pro rugby too.

IIRC it was 50m that was paid on the upgrade which is probably 100m+ in todays money. A forward thinking group could have done a lot of good for Scottish rugby with a portion of that during the setting up of pro rugby.

I am not sure what the good would or could have looked like and I'm sure clubs looking out for themselves would have been an issue but taking 10s of millions out of the game at the point of turning pro could only be a hindrance.

[TheFrog]

Not a great build up to the game by the Scots. A shame really.

[happytramp]

Aye it definitely niggles (and then some) but I don’t remember many close games in the last decade +

Really? You'd have won in 2020 if Hogg hadn't dropped the ball over the line instead of grounding it..... The 'Bar Napoli Six' had better hope there's no more of that or there'll be fingers pointed

[Slick]

Our only real hope is that Ireland are playing for the championship and need points so might open it up which will suit us better. Keep it close for long enough and a bit of desperation might come in.

Ireland looked quite poor against England for a while when they were trying the wonder offloads

[Biffer]

I tend to agree.

We're kinda the opposite of England; we've options on the wings, & a coach who is actually prepared to play them.

I always think that with wingers, you're a mug if you don't pick purely on who is playing on form at the time; so picking Hansen at the mo is spot on

Scotland always seem to stifle what our plan is, so it'll be interesting to see if we've evolved to not let that happen, & like England, despite what happens on the pitch, we still get the ultimate objective of the try bonus point.

Fuck me, if that's true they'd be getting proper pumping year on year

Oh come on; you guys always target games against us. It niggles you that we've done the Pro game better, & as a result your always up for it, & are determined to screw things up.

With Wales it was always that Gatland was pissed about the way the IRFU fucked him over; & with the Scots it's always that we're in the position that you expected to be in.

To be fair, it doesn’t niggle that you’ve done the pro game better, what’s annoying is all the guys who only started watching rugby ten or fifteen years ago who have this attitude that Ireland being better than Scotland is the natural order of things.

[Slick]

Fuck me, if that's true they'd be getting proper pumping year on year

Oh come on; you guys always target games against us. It niggles you that we've done the Pro game better, & as a result your always up for it, & are determined to screw things up.

With Wales it was always that Gatland was pissed about the way the IRFU fucked him over; & with the Scots it's always that we're in the position that you expected to be in.

To be fair, it doesn’t niggle that you’ve done the pro game better, what’s annoying is all the guys who only started watching rugby ten or fifteen years ago who have this attitude that Ireland being better than Scotland is the natural order of things.

I’d go slightly further than that and add ex players and pundits who have an incredible arrogance and pomposity

Certainly nothing to do with your system for pro rugby and nothing but admiration for the production line of talent that fits into the system

[Big D]

Irish rugby circles continue to give Matt Williams air time. That is top trolling of Scots.

[Big D]

FWIW the players clearly target the England game over all others. Tinpot mentality and it shows.

[fishfoodie]

Irish rugby circles continue to give Matt Williams air time. That is top trolling of Scots.

it's a mystery why anyone gives him air time.

[OomStruisbaai]

Scotland by 2.

[ASMO]

Flower of Scotland played by an oompah band just doesnt cut it

[salanya]

The Temple Bar pubs must be disappointed, but at least we have a match

[ASMO]

The Temple Bar pubs must be disappointed, but at least we have a match

I am sure Finn will be out there partying later.

[PCPhil]

Flower of Scotland played by an oompah band just doesnt cut it

Lol.

[Jock42]

Did Kinghorn just nutmeg Fagerson?

[Openside]

Are they going to spend the whole fecking game referring to the Irish 9 as Jameson Gibson Park again?

[ASMO]

Basketball so far

[PCPhil]

Someone with more skill than me post the 1st bit of this match twice as fast to the benny Hill music .

[Jock42]

Who's the Scottish pundit?