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Margin__Walker
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It's a shame in this day and age. I'd have paid a fiver to watch the LI Leicester game on PRTV, even without commentary.
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Paddington Bear
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Don’t suppose there are any streams of the games tonight going?
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
https://www.premiershiprugby.com/watch/ ... up-round-5
Highlights and full match videos from last night's games.
Highlights and full match videos from last night's games.
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sockwithaticket
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geordie_6 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:37 am https://www.premiershiprugby.com/watch/ ... up-round-5
Highlights and full match videos from last night's games.
Nice. I know it's only the diddy cup, but it's nice to watch Wasps win every now and then.
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sockwithaticket
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Those who've turned out for a mid-week Prem Cup game at Ashton Gate aren't being given much of a reason to do so again. Pretty poor game so far.
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Paddington Bear
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I gave up at half time. You at least hope that the dirt trackers and young lads will show a bit of invention, that was very turgid.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:22 pm Those who've turned out for a mid-week Prem Cup game at Ashton Gate aren't being given much of a reason to do so again. Pretty poor game so far.
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
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sockwithaticket
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I left it on, but got on with other things. There were a couple of shots in the second half that showed it was raining a lot more than I thought. Even still it would've been nice to see more than a well executed maul and a ton of knock ons. It reeked of pure system coachingPaddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:30 amI gave up at half time. You at least hope that the dirt trackers and young lads will show a bit of invention, that was very turgid.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:22 pm Those who've turned out for a mid-week Prem Cup game at Ashton Gate aren't being given much of a reason to do so again. Pretty poor game so far.
Diamond back to Sale for his first 2 signings. Curtis Langdon (Hooker) and Cameron Nield (flanker) sisgned for next season
Dave Attwood back to Bath next season. Was out of contract at Bristol and unlikely to be offered a new one at Bristol
Dave Attwood back to Bath next season. Was out of contract at Bristol and unlikely to be offered a new one at Bristol
Wow, amazed Sale are letting Langdon go.
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inactionman
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Not a bad move - Bath desperately lacking grunt (yes, yes, amongst a number of other things) and Attwood is an absolute slab of a man.
Bath have also signed Chris Cloete, utterly no clue about him, sounds like he's a flanker but thought we might want an 8 given Faletau's departure.
Cloete is a hard nut of a Saffer openside who for a while was very good for Munster iircinactionman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:37 pmNot a bad move - Bath desperately lacking grunt (yes, yes, amongst a number of other things) and Attwood is an absolute slab of a man.
Bath have also signed Chris Cloete, utterly no clue about him, sounds like he's a flanker but thought we might want an 8 given Faletau's departure.
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sockwithaticket
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Those ARE his Wiki stats, I think you just saw his Saxons caps.
Attwood was fairly brutally exposed as being off the required pace a while back, but I don't know if that's entirely fair and whether it'd be true in today's team.
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inactionman
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There were questions about Attwood's mobility. True, he's not a jack-in-the-box, but he was always involved in the play when at Bath.
Think he might have suffered from an England push to go for lightwight and mobile, but that might be a false recollection.
Not quite sure on the Ewels hate, he's a perfectly decent player in pretty much all facets of what a lock needs to be (ignoring the red card which was dull). Not sure what he's actually bad at? Is it just he's not standout in any one area?
Always liked Attwood, excellent lineout mauler and good scrummager, have seen him make the odd 50m dash ball in hand!!inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:18 pmThere were questions about Attwood's mobility. True, he's not a jack-in-the-box, but he was always involved in the play when at Bath.
Think he might have suffered from an England push to go for lightwight and mobile, but that might be a false recollection.
Not quite sure on the Ewels hate, he's a perfectly decent player in pretty much all facets of what a lock needs to be (ignoring the red card which was dull). Not sure what he's actually bad at? Is it just he's not standout in any one area?
Would pick him ahead of Ewels every time
Ewels isn't a big tackler, isn't a big carrier, isn't a good ball handler, doesn't appear to be better in the scrum than anyone, gives away dumb penalties, isn't a great lineout option, and doesn't appear to be particularly aggressive. Most of the time I struggle to remember positive impact he's had on a match. And yet he continues to get selected despite stand-out performances by other locks.inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:18 pmThere were questions about Attwood's mobility. True, he's not a jack-in-the-box, but he was always involved in the play when at Bath.
Think he might have suffered from an England push to go for lightwight and mobile, but that might be a false recollection.
Not quite sure on the Ewels hate, he's a perfectly decent player in pretty much all facets of what a lock needs to be (ignoring the red card which was dull). Not sure what he's actually bad at? Is it just he's not standout in any one area?
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:42 pmEwels isn't a big tackler, isn't a big carrier, isn't a good ball handler, doesn't appear to be better in the scrum than anyone, gives away dumb penalties, isn't a great lineout option, and doesn't appear to be particularly aggressive. Most of the time I struggle to remember positive impact he's had on a match. And yet he continues to get selected despite stand-out performances by other locks.inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:18 pmThere were questions about Attwood's mobility. True, he's not a jack-in-the-box, but he was always involved in the play when at Bath.
Think he might have suffered from an England push to go for lightwight and mobile, but that might be a false recollection.
Not quite sure on the Ewels hate, he's a perfectly decent player in pretty much all facets of what a lock needs to be (ignoring the red card which was dull). Not sure what he's actually bad at? Is it just he's not standout in any one area?
Why is Ribbans ignored?
Because Eddie is a petty fuck? Ribbans was in line to get picked at the end of last season but got sent off and a ban so wasn't available for the games. Eddie hasn't looked at him since.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:49 pmJM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:42 pmEwels isn't a big tackler, isn't a big carrier, isn't a good ball handler, doesn't appear to be better in the scrum than anyone, gives away dumb penalties, isn't a great lineout option, and doesn't appear to be particularly aggressive. Most of the time I struggle to remember positive impact he's had on a match. And yet he continues to get selected despite stand-out performances by other locks.inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:18 pm
There were questions about Attwood's mobility. True, he's not a jack-in-the-box, but he was always involved in the play when at Bath.
Think he might have suffered from an England push to go for lightwight and mobile, but that might be a false recollection.
Not quite sure on the Ewels hate, he's a perfectly decent player in pretty much all facets of what a lock needs to be (ignoring the red card which was dull). Not sure what he's actually bad at? Is it just he's not standout in any one area?
Why is Ribbans ignored?
No idea. There's loads of locks that have more impact than Ewels every time they play but Ribbans is a hell of a player nonetheless.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:49 pmJM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:42 pmEwels isn't a big tackler, isn't a big carrier, isn't a good ball handler, doesn't appear to be better in the scrum than anyone, gives away dumb penalties, isn't a great lineout option, and doesn't appear to be particularly aggressive. Most of the time I struggle to remember positive impact he's had on a match. And yet he continues to get selected despite stand-out performances by other locks.inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:18 pm
There were questions about Attwood's mobility. True, he's not a jack-in-the-box, but he was always involved in the play when at Bath.
Think he might have suffered from an England push to go for lightwight and mobile, but that might be a false recollection.
Not quite sure on the Ewels hate, he's a perfectly decent player in pretty much all facets of what a lock needs to be (ignoring the red card which was dull). Not sure what he's actually bad at? Is it just he's not standout in any one area?
Why is Ribbans ignored?
Yep, really don’t understand why he hasn’t been looked at again. Strong lineout operator, lots of grunt and gets around the pitch well.Oxbow wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 5:15 pmBecause Eddie is a petty fuck? Ribbans was in line to get picked at the end of last season but got sent off and a ban so wasn't available for the games. Eddie hasn't looked at him since.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:49 pmJM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:42 pm
Ewels isn't a big tackler, isn't a big carrier, isn't a good ball handler, doesn't appear to be better in the scrum than anyone, gives away dumb penalties, isn't a great lineout option, and doesn't appear to be particularly aggressive. Most of the time I struggle to remember positive impact he's had on a match. And yet he continues to get selected despite stand-out performances by other locks.
Why is Ribbans ignored?
What’s not to like
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fishfoodie
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Yes. Can't criticise him for that, he's a regular at Prem matches as are the coachhes. Not sure what he's looking for mind
he is a fucking freeloader, anything thats free Eddie will rock upSaintK wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:29 amYes. Can't criticise him for that, he's a regular at Prem matches as are the coachhes. Not sure what he's looking for mind
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Rhubarb & Custard
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I like Ribbans, and he's well worth having a look at. But, I don't think it evidences failure on Eddie's part he's spent a number of our games having another look at Isiekwe. Both with a view to Isiekwe perhaps being the better lock, and with a view to putting a WC squad together with some players needing to cover more than 1 role
it's unfortunate Ribbans missed out when he was perhaps about to get his chance, but that happens over and over at any level of the game where you can get more than 15 players to turn up
it's unfortunate Ribbans missed out when he was perhaps about to get his chance, but that happens over and over at any level of the game where you can get more than 15 players to turn up
It's not Isiekwe people are complaining about though is itRhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 8:50 am I like Ribbans, and he's well worth having a look at. But, I don't think it evidences failure on Eddie's part he's spent a number of our games having another look at Isiekwe. Both with a view to Isiekwe perhaps being the better lock, and with a view to putting a WC squad together with some players needing to cover more than 1 role
it's unfortunate Ribbans missed out when he was perhaps about to get his chance, but that happens over and over at any level of the game where you can get more than 15 players to turn up
He also dicked Isiekwe around a fair bit again, fwiw.
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sockwithaticket
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Ribbans could absolutely have been included ahead of Chessum or been called up when Ewels received his ban.
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Rhubarb & Custard
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he basically picked Itoje and Isiekwe. if one wants to say he could have picked Ribbans to take the lesser game time of Chessum and Ewels then fine, but then you'd be saying there's a big problem that someone didn't get minimal time, which suggests it can't be that big a thing.
One of the many problems with Jones is that he wastes loads of caps on players that are clearly not good enough then when he eventually realises, the players that should have been picked then only get a fleeting chance or none at all and he skips a generation. Youngs is of course the prime example of this to the extreme extent that any scrumhalf born in the decade of the 1990s has not really had a chance to play for England. Which is extraordinary when you think about it.
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Paddington Bear
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Ewels only got lesser game time because he got sent off inside two minutes, otherwise he would have started vs Wales, Ireland and France.
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
You're doing that thing again when you refuse to admit you fucked upRhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:42 am he basically picked Itoje and Isiekwe. if one wants to say he could have picked Ribbans to take the lesser game time of Chessum and Ewels then fine, but then you'd be saying there's a big problem that someone didn't get minimal time, which suggests it can't be that big a thing.
Talking of fuckups, Bristol have absolutely shit the bed: https://archive.ph/xUoJg
Bad news for a lot of blameless playersWhen the Premiership clubs voted two years ago to reduce the salary cap from £6.4 million to £5 million for the 2021-22 season, a lot of clubs, including Bristol, took advantage of a clause that allowed them to count 75 per cent of existing contracts against the revised cap.
In Bristol’s case, the majority of players signed “two plus one” deals, which is a two-year contract with an option of a third on the same terms unless either party decides to pull out by a set deadline. It is understood Bristol intended to release six players, whose contracts were worth an estimated £400,000. However, they missed the deadline, meaning the third-year extensions had already kicked in. A club spokesman declined to comment on Thursday night.
Even if those players are paid off, it is understood that would still count against the salary cap, so Bristol are now having to make savings wherever they can. Including their marquee players, Bristol had one of the biggest wage bills in the Premiership and an emergency board meeting was convened when the mistake came to light in March. They have also committed to signing England prop Ellis Genge and Sale fly-half AJ MacGinty for next season.
Yet offloading players is no simple matter. Many other clubs are struggling to balance the books with the “existing contract” clause coming to an end. It is estimated that up to 30 players could be left without a club this summer.
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sockwithaticket
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Fucking hell, that's a big error. 30 players out of contract due to an administrative error is awful.
Without knowing any of the regulations it feels like the sort of thing that should come with tangible league punishment for the club, like a 10 or 15 point handicap to start next season. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with treating players like this.
As a player it would certainly make me think thrice about heading to Bristol in future.
Without knowing any of the regulations it feels like the sort of thing that should come with tangible league punishment for the club, like a 10 or 15 point handicap to start next season. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with treating players like this.
As a player it would certainly make me think thrice about heading to Bristol in future.
Sounds like a major fuck-up!JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:14 am Talking of fuckups, Bristol have absolutely shit the bed: https://archive.ph/xUoJg
Bad news for a lot of blameless playersWhen the Premiership clubs voted two years ago to reduce the salary cap from £6.4 million to £5 million for the 2021-22 season, a lot of clubs, including Bristol, took advantage of a clause that allowed them to count 75 per cent of existing contracts against the revised cap.
In Bristol’s case, the majority of players signed “two plus one” deals, which is a two-year contract with an option of a third on the same terms unless either party decides to pull out by a set deadline. It is understood Bristol intended to release six players, whose contracts were worth an estimated £400,000. However, they missed the deadline, meaning the third-year extensions had already kicked in. A club spokesman declined to comment on Thursday night.
Even if those players are paid off, it is understood that would still count against the salary cap, so Bristol are now having to make savings wherever they can. Including their marquee players, Bristol had one of the biggest wage bills in the Premiership and an emergency board meeting was convened when the mistake came to light in March. They have also committed to signing England prop Ellis Genge and Sale fly-half AJ MacGinty for next season.
Yet offloading players is no simple matter. Many other clubs are struggling to balance the books with the “existing contract” clause coming to an end. It is estimated that up to 30 players could be left without a club this summer.
Can't be any of the "big names" though £400,000/6 is less than £70k a year?
Or am I rfeading it wrong?
It's 30 players across the league, not at Bris alonesockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:39 am Fucking hell, that's a big error. 30 players out of contract due to an administrative error is awful.
Without knowing any of the regulations it feels like the sort of thing that should come with tangible league punishment for the club, like a 10 or 15 point handicap to start next season. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with treating players like this.
As a player it would certainly make me think thrice about heading to Bristol in future.