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KingBlairhorn wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:26 pm
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KingBlairhorn wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 12:00 pm

McCallum a tighthead again at Worcester? Surely we can't be looking at Murphy Walker, who while I agree he looks talented has played fewer than half a dozen pro games, into a 3 match series against Argentina? It could destroy him. Same for Angus Williams.

I was thinking more for the Chile game, we have to take more experience for Argentina, Zander and Berghan will travel, I would think.

They will have a complete month off, then a month preseason before the first game of the 22/23 campaign.
It ocurrs to me that we all forgot D'Arcy Rae. He'll probably tour, he's been playing for Bath quite a bit, not that that is much to shout about.
I was going to mention him, but then I thought maybe everyone wasn’t mentioning him for a reason, and stopped.

He is playing regularly as a THP though, which makes him a candidate no matter what,
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Slick wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:41 pm Just checking if this is the right thread to congratulate Rangers? 😀
Pretty sure I've celebrated Saints here so may as well. I might tune in to the final now.
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There are actually quite a few non-capped/low-capped Scots playing in England who rarely make Scotland squads but that may get the call:

Bristol: Jake Kerr (26, hooker, 1 cap), Mitch Eadie (back row, 29, uncapped)
Gloucester: Charlie Chapman (scrum-half, 24, uncapped), Andrew Davidson (25, lock, uncapped), Alex Craig (25, lock, 2 caps)
Quins: Scott Steele (28, scrum-half/flanker, 4 caps)
Leicester: Will Hurd (tighthead, 22, uncapped), Cammy Henderson (22, lock, uncapped)
Newcastle: Tom Marshall (22, backrow, uncapped), Gary Graham (29, backrow, 2 caps), Robbie Smith (hooker, 23, uncapped)
Sale: Gus Warr (scrum-half, 22, uncapped)
Sarries: Callum Hunter-Hill (25, lock, uncapped),
Wasps: Bomber Hislop (loosehead, 30, uncapped),
Worcester: Isaac Miller (Hooker, 27, uncapped), Tom Dodd (backrow, 24, uncapped), Jack Owlett (tighthead, 27, uncapped)

There are also a couple in the Championship worth mentioning as they may be able to step up a level in time:

Jersey: Adam Nicol (Tighthead, 24, uncapped), Lewis Wynne (flanker, 25, uncapped)
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18 year old tighthead Callum Norrie is starting for Stirling County this weekend.

The SRU has him at 6ft 4in and 19 stones. He could be one to look out for in the coming years.

I'd be tempted to cap Bomber Hislop on his name alone.
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KingBlairhorn wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:08 am There are actually quite a few non-capped/low-capped Scots playing in England who rarely make Scotland squads but that may get the call:

Bristol: Jake Kerr (26, hooker, 1 cap), Mitch Eadie (back row, 29, uncapped)
Gloucester: Charlie Chapman (scrum-half, 24, uncapped), Andrew Davidson (25, lock, uncapped), Alex Craig (25, lock, 2 caps)
Quins: Scott Steele (28, scrum-half/flanker, 4 caps)
Leicester: Will Hurd (tighthead, 22, uncapped), Cammy Henderson (22, lock, uncapped)
Newcastle: Tom Marshall (22, backrow, uncapped), Gary Graham (29, backrow, 2 caps), Robbie Smith (hooker, 23, uncapped)
Sale: Gus Warr (scrum-half, 22, uncapped)
Sarries: Callum Hunter-Hill (25, lock, uncapped),
Wasps: Bomber Hislop (loosehead, 30, uncapped),
Worcester: Isaac Miller (Hooker, 27, uncapped), Tom Dodd (backrow, 24, uncapped), Jack Owlett (tighthead, 27, uncapped)

There are also a couple in the Championship worth mentioning as they may be able to step up a level in time:

Jersey: Adam Nicol (Tighthead, 24, uncapped), Lewis Wynne (flanker, 25, uncapped)
Most of them barely make their club squads either...

Kerr, Chapman, Davidson, Craig, Warr, Hislop are the only ones you see with much regularity. Is Warr SQ? I think the Warr's are from Manchester and just went to school in Dollar. Unsure if they'd be SQ but you'd think so.

Cammy Henderson is out for the year with an ACL.
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I like neeps wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 12:57 pm
KingBlairhorn wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:08 am There are actually quite a few non-capped/low-capped Scots playing in England who rarely make Scotland squads but that may get the call:

Bristol: Jake Kerr (26, hooker, 1 cap), Mitch Eadie (back row, 29, uncapped)
Gloucester: Charlie Chapman (scrum-half, 24, uncapped), Andrew Davidson (25, lock, uncapped), Alex Craig (25, lock, 2 caps)
Quins: Scott Steele (28, scrum-half/flanker, 4 caps)
Leicester: Will Hurd (tighthead, 22, uncapped), Cammy Henderson (22, lock, uncapped)
Newcastle: Tom Marshall (22, backrow, uncapped), Gary Graham (29, backrow, 2 caps), Robbie Smith (hooker, 23, uncapped)
Sale: Gus Warr (scrum-half, 22, uncapped)
Sarries: Callum Hunter-Hill (25, lock, uncapped),
Wasps: Bomber Hislop (loosehead, 30, uncapped),
Worcester: Isaac Miller (Hooker, 27, uncapped), Tom Dodd (backrow, 24, uncapped), Jack Owlett (tighthead, 27, uncapped)

There are also a couple in the Championship worth mentioning as they may be able to step up a level in time:

Jersey: Adam Nicol (Tighthead, 24, uncapped), Lewis Wynne (flanker, 25, uncapped)
Most of them barely make their club squads either...

Kerr, Chapman, Davidson, Craig, Warr, Hislop are the only ones you see with much regularity. Is Warr SQ? I think the Warr's are from Manchester and just went to school in Dollar. Unsure if they'd be SQ but you'd think so.

Cammy Henderson is out for the year with an ACL.
Alex Craig, Scott Steele, Gary Graham, Hunter-Hill and Isaac Miller have all featured regularly enough either this season or in recent seasons. Enough that they might be worth a look in an A-cap game against Chile for instance.

Gus Warr played age grade for us (18s and 20s) so I hope he's eligible!
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KingBlairhorn wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 1:46 pm
I like neeps wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 12:57 pm
KingBlairhorn wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:08 am There are actually quite a few non-capped/low-capped Scots playing in England who rarely make Scotland squads but that may get the call:

Bristol: Jake Kerr (26, hooker, 1 cap), Mitch Eadie (back row, 29, uncapped)
Gloucester: Charlie Chapman (scrum-half, 24, uncapped), Andrew Davidson (25, lock, uncapped), Alex Craig (25, lock, 2 caps)
Quins: Scott Steele (28, scrum-half/flanker, 4 caps)
Leicester: Will Hurd (tighthead, 22, uncapped), Cammy Henderson (22, lock, uncapped)
Newcastle: Tom Marshall (22, backrow, uncapped), Gary Graham (29, backrow, 2 caps), Robbie Smith (hooker, 23, uncapped)
Sale: Gus Warr (scrum-half, 22, uncapped)
Sarries: Callum Hunter-Hill (25, lock, uncapped),
Wasps: Bomber Hislop (loosehead, 30, uncapped),
Worcester: Isaac Miller (Hooker, 27, uncapped), Tom Dodd (backrow, 24, uncapped), Jack Owlett (tighthead, 27, uncapped)

There are also a couple in the Championship worth mentioning as they may be able to step up a level in time:

Jersey: Adam Nicol (Tighthead, 24, uncapped), Lewis Wynne (flanker, 25, uncapped)
Most of them barely make their club squads either...

Kerr, Chapman, Davidson, Craig, Warr, Hislop are the only ones you see with much regularity. Is Warr SQ? I think the Warr's are from Manchester and just went to school in Dollar. Unsure if they'd be SQ but you'd think so.

Cammy Henderson is out for the year with an ACL.
Alex Craig, Scott Steele, Gary Graham, Hunter-Hill and Isaac Miller have all featured regularly enough either this season or in recent seasons. Enough that they might be worth a look in an A-cap game against Chile for instance.

Gus Warr played age grade for us (18s and 20s) so I hope he's eligible!
Yeah thought I'd included Craig, he's just returning from an injury.

Steele - 25 appearances in two and a half seasons mostly as a sub for Care. Injured this year I presume as I watch a lot of Quins haven't seen him.
Hunter-Hill - 5th choice. Played 5 games in 2022 and 4 in 2022 according to rugby pass. Wouldn't come close to a Sarries matchday 23 in a big match. Swinson is a weekly starter there though.
Gary Graham - won't ever play for Scotland again after the Wales debacle. Townsend won't be taking him to Chile.
Miller - does seem to play a lot - my mistake.
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Edinburgh Rugby team to face Wasps at DAM Health Stadium in the EPCR Challenge Cup Quarter-Final
Saturday 7 May (kick-off 12.30pm) – live on BT Sport

15. Jaco van der Walt (86)

14. Damien Hoyland (91)
13. Mark Bennett (68)
12. Chris Dean (118)
11. Emiliano Boffelli (15)

10. Blair Kinghorn (116) VICE-CAPTAIN
9. Ben Vellacott (19)

1. Harrison Courtney (7)
2. Adam McBurney (11) VICE-CAPTAIN
3. WP Nel (168)
4. Jamie Hodgson (38)
5. Grant Gilchrist (172) CAPTAIN
6. Luke Crosbie (66)
7. Connor Boyle (22)
8. Magnus Bradbury (110)

Replacements

16. Patrick Harrison (3)
17. Pierre Schoeman (80)
18. Lee-Roy Atalifo (24)
19. Pierce Phillips (11)
20. Mesulame Kunavula (22)
21. Henry Pyrgos (67)
22. Matt Currie (13)
23. Jack Blain (19)

Unavailable: Luan de Bruin, Dave Cherry, Darcy Graham, Nick Haining, Henry Immelman, James Lang, Viliame Mata, Stuart McInally, Ben Muncaster, Ramiro Moyano, Marshall Sykes (suspension), Jamie Ritchie, Ben Toolis, Boan Venter, Angus Williams, Glen Young
Not too bad a team considering the absences and the need to rest the internationalists like Hamish.
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robmatic wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 2:13 pm
Edinburgh Rugby team to face Wasps at DAM Health Stadium in the EPCR Challenge Cup Quarter-Final
Saturday 7 May (kick-off 12.30pm) – live on BT Sport

15. Jaco van der Walt (86)

14. Damien Hoyland (91)
13. Mark Bennett (68)
12. Chris Dean (118)
11. Emiliano Boffelli (15)

10. Blair Kinghorn (116) VICE-CAPTAIN
9. Ben Vellacott (19)

1. Harrison Courtney (7)
2. Adam McBurney (11) VICE-CAPTAIN
3. WP Nel (168)
4. Jamie Hodgson (38)
5. Grant Gilchrist (172) CAPTAIN
6. Luke Crosbie (66)
7. Connor Boyle (22)
8. Magnus Bradbury (110)

Replacements

16. Patrick Harrison (3)
17. Pierre Schoeman (80)
18. Lee-Roy Atalifo (24)
19. Pierce Phillips (11)
20. Mesulame Kunavula (22)
21. Henry Pyrgos (67)
22. Matt Currie (13)
23. Jack Blain (19)

Unavailable: Luan de Bruin, Dave Cherry, Darcy Graham, Nick Haining, Henry Immelman, James Lang, Viliame Mata, Stuart McInally, Ben Muncaster, Ramiro Moyano, Marshall Sykes (suspension), Jamie Ritchie, Ben Toolis, Boan Venter, Angus Williams, Glen Young
Not too bad a team considering the absences and the need to rest the internationalists like Hamish.


It's going to be a tough ask, of the 17 absentees, Mata, Ritchie, McInally, Mish, Lang, Graham are all definite starters in our first choice side, Moyano is very close. Cherry, de Bruin, Venter are definitely in the first choice 23, Sykes and Young are close. Muncaster has arguably been our best player over the last couple of months and Haining always surprises me. Immelman too, he really came on to some form before the injury.
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robmatic wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 2:13 pm
Edinburgh Rugby team to face Wasps at DAM Health Stadium in the EPCR Challenge Cup Quarter-Final
Saturday 7 May (kick-off 12.30pm) – live on BT Sport

15. Jaco van der Walt (86)

14. Damien Hoyland (91)
13. Mark Bennett (68)
12. Chris Dean (118)
11. Emiliano Boffelli (15)

10. Blair Kinghorn (116) VICE-CAPTAIN
9. Ben Vellacott (19)

1. Harrison Courtney (7)
2. Adam McBurney (11) VICE-CAPTAIN
3. WP Nel (168)
4. Jamie Hodgson (38)
5. Grant Gilchrist (172) CAPTAIN
6. Luke Crosbie (66)
7. Connor Boyle (22)
8. Magnus Bradbury (110)

Replacements

16. Patrick Harrison (3)
17. Pierre Schoeman (80)
18. Lee-Roy Atalifo (24)
19. Pierce Phillips (11)
20. Mesulame Kunavula (22)
21. Henry Pyrgos (67)
22. Matt Currie (13)
23. Jack Blain (19)

Unavailable: Luan de Bruin, Dave Cherry, Darcy Graham, Nick Haining, Henry Immelman, James Lang, Viliame Mata, Stuart McInally, Ben Muncaster, Ramiro Moyano, Marshall Sykes (suspension), Jamie Ritchie, Ben Toolis, Boan Venter, Angus Williams, Glen Young
Not too bad a team considering the absences and the need to rest the internationalists like Hamish.
The rest policy doesn't make sense to me if it means they miss a QF or win and in moneyspinner 1872. There should be agreed exemptions.
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I'm not too concerned about resting Watson, from the ten Edinburgh games he could have played in since the beginning of January he played in seven, but he was injured for a couple of the others. He also played in four out of five 6N matches.

Even with the players we have out, Crosbie, Boyle, Bradbury and Kunavula isn't too shabby a back row squad
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Interesting interview with Finn by an English journo in The Times tomorrow. Certainly sounds like him and Toony are done - not saying he won’t play him, but relationship seems over.

I’ll post tomorrow when I switch the laptop on unless anyone can do it now.
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“Aiming his kick at the castle” -
Commentary that could only happen in Scottish rugby
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Slick wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 7:06 pm Interesting interview with Finn by an English journo in The Times tomorrow. Certainly sounds like him and Toony are done - not saying he won’t play him, but relationship seems over.

I’ll post tomorrow when I switch the laptop on unless anyone can do it now.

It's on the Glasgow forum.

I never like threads on forums castigating players, that interview only reinforces that view for me
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Behind the smile, Finn Russell has been struggling. After spending close to an hour in his company, at the Racing 92 training ground south of Paris, it is clear that the Scotland fly half has been burnt out by a relentless schedule since last summer’s British & Irish Lions tour.

He is still relaxed in Paris, and more refreshed now, having managed to take a short break before Racing 92 host Sale Sharks in the Heineken Champions Cup quarter-final tomorrow. But Russell, 29, has felt a great weight upon him.

He is determined to remain true to himself and his style, but all the rugby, all the pressure has made him feel unable to perform consistently. He has started questioning his instincts during matches, concerned about being “slammed” for his natural exuberance. That does not sound like the Russell we think we know.

“I’ve just been slightly drained this year,” he says before his 28th match of the season. “It’s that mental side rather than physically. I’ve had maybe five days holiday this year. It’s not much at all. This season there have been a few things that have run into each other, which probably caught up with me. I’ve never really got back into properly good form.”

Many find the season after British & Irish Lions tours tough. Russell has avoided injury — unlike Alun Wyn Jones, Ken Owens, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Mako Vunipola, Jonny Hill, Taulupe Faletau, Josh Navidi, Sam Simmonds, Justin Tipuric, Owen Farrell, and Anthony Watson — but his workload since South Africa has taken its toll.

Catching Covid, and the pandemic forcing a restructure of the fixture list, scuppered more time off and his five-day break was his first since September last year. He skipped Racing’s Top 14 match against Biarritz on April 23, jetting to Dubai with his girlfriend, the Scottish heptathlete Emma Canning.

Stepping off the treadmill and on to the beach, Russell was finally able to stop his whirring mind and move on from a disappointing end to the Six Nations with Scotland, who finished fourth. Their campaign was also dogged by controversy when Russell was dropped for the Ireland game as punishment for attending an unsanctioned night out in Edinburgh after the win against Italy.

The fly half has helped Racing 92, his French club side, reach the Champions Cup quarter-finals
The fly half has helped Racing 92, his French club side, reach the Champions Cup quarter-finals

“Going away was probably the best thing for it,” Russell says. “I don’t mind the amount of games. It’s more the mental side, constructing a game plan all week, day off, then do it all again. Doing that 15 games in a row can be tough.

“It’s probably had an effect on how my season has been. It’s been a little bit up and down. I’ll put a bit of pressure on myself as it’s my job to drive the team.”

That’s where the crux of all this lies. Russell is the focal point — for adulation and abuse. He may seem totally carefree, but the opposite is true; to the point where on field he now second-guesses himself when eyeing up one of his wonder-plays.

“I think, ‘What’s the point, if it doesn’t come off I’m just going to get slammed in the media and it’s going to be my fault,’ ” he says. “If I don’t put it on the money, and if we don’t score off it, pretty much, then it’ll be, ‘That’s one of Finn’s one-out-of-tens that come off’ and if it does it’ll be ‘That’s the brilliance of Finn’.

“It’s not just the media, it’s the fans and everything. It’s something over time [I’ve developed]. If something doesn’t come off, all of sudden you’re a risk-taker, a this, a that. Do people actually understand what you’re trying, or what you’ve seen?

Scotland endured a disappointing Six Nations Championship, finishing fourth

“It’s one thing Vern [Cotter] used to say as Scotland coach: ‘I don’t care what you try as long as you have a reason behind it.’ That’s how I play.


“Last weekend, I tried a half cross-field kick and their boy ended up catching it. It was 30 centimetres off us scoring. The reason behind it was good, it was just my execution.

“You can’t really win. When you’re good you get all the praise, and when a couple of things don’t come off the blame falls.”

Scotland’s head coach Gregor Townsend has advised Russell to stay off social media — but even if he does, friends and family send him the criticisms.

Russell hates being labelled as a risk-taker. He cites the moment he unlocked Saracens in 2020’s Heineken Champions Cup semi-final — when he chipped over their defence late on in Paris for the centre Virimi Vakatawa, who found Juan Imhoff for the winning try. Risky? Sure. Calculated? Definitely. Vakatawa called it, Russell, the hero, executed. Racing won 19-15. He then threw two intercepts in the final against Exeter Chiefs, and Racing lost 31-27. The villain.

Russell thinks he was born in the wrong era, and if he were 19, not 29, he would be given more slack. “I’m older than Marcus Smith — I use him and Romain Ntamack as examples,” he says. “Ten years ago I was putting chips over the top and it was seen as risky,” he explains.


Russell doesn’t understand why rugby stars are being asked to play more but earn less, via a salary cap

“That’s kind of stuck with me. Maybe if I was ten years later it might been seen as great play. Back then, the way the game was, it was seen to be risky, putting cross-kicks or miss-passes in. If I now play a game and don’t do that it’s ‘Finn had a quiet game’, or ‘He tries these and only one in every six comes off’.”

Russell hopes coaches’ perspectives are shifting. “If teams actually want to go out and score they’ve got to be willing to allow their players to express themselves,” he says. “There’s more creativity coming in, more teams are starting to play. It shows coaches are playing to win rather than playing to not lose.”


Ending his week off, Russell attended a Scottish Super 6 semi-professional match between Stirling County and Ayrshire Bulls ten minutes from his parents’ house, watching his brother, Harry, a 32-year-old scrum half.

With all he has said, would Russell prefer to play at that lower level away from the spotlight? He did for Ayr in 2016, when returning from a bad head injury. “When I was at Glasgow, four or five years ago, I drove back and it was pouring down with rain,” he remembers. “One of the lads threw a big lump of mud that stuck to my windshield. I looked at training and thought ‘I don’t think I could ever come back to this.’

“The only way I’d go back is if my two brothers were playing. It might be a bit of fun at the end.”

Townsend was at Bridgehaugh too. He and Russell exchanged a nod, a brief hello, and that was it.

The fly half has not spoken properly to his boss since being dropped for the Ireland match. He was out with best friend Ali Price, captain Stuart Hogg, wing Darcy Graham and centres Sam Johnson and Sione Tuipulotu, celebrating Price winning his 50th cap.

Russell has spent four years in France, having joined Racing from Glasgow in 2018, and says he wants to sign a new deal


Russell, largely, carried the can. He was benched and Blair Kinghorn wore No 10 in Dublin. He turns bashful when the incident is brought up, shuffling in his chair a little.

“I hadn’t probably been playing at my best, and Blair had been playing well for Edinburgh,” he says. “There’s maybe a bit of a punishment as well as trying Blair in a high-level game — give him a start, let him control the game. He did a great job.”


On the surface Russell looked bang to rights. As a senior player going out drinking during a tournament without the coaches’ consent — especially having walked out of Scotland’s 2020 Six Nations camp after another disagreement with Townsend over alcohol — it left him open to a hammering.

But could players under intense scrutiny be forgiven for wanting to let off steam with their friends in the midst of an eye-watering schedule?

“I probably did find it quite tough this camp, for various reasons,” he explains — this the fourth championship he spent toing and froing between Scotland and Racing.

“When I go back to Scotland, myself Hoggy, Ali and some other boys probably have more focus on us. When I’m here, because I’m Scottish no one really cares. You get the benefits, reservations at restaurants, but there’s not hassle when you’re in there. You just live a normal life. I was happy to get back.”

Russell does not know how things can improve for top players such as him. He requires no sympathy. He chose to go to France, and is paid handsomely for it, but no light at the end of the tunnel is visible.


The big games, which he loves, keep on coming — with Sale at La Défense Arena on Sunday.

“They’re lowering the salary cap rather than putting it up, so what are they expected to do for players?” Russell asks. “You’re still demanding the same hours and input from the players but for less money. Tell me another job where that’s the case?”

Nevertheless, he wants to stay here, sign another contract, and Emma is coming soon to join him in Paris. That will help.

He loves playing for his country, but looks like a man who needs a full summer off — not to step on the treadmill once again for Scotland in Argentina this July.


“I can’t really complain because it’s my choice to be here,” Russell says. “If I wanted extra time off I could go back home and get it.”

But rugby cannot continue to flog its players like this. “Everything is always good with Finn,” says Racing’s media manager as our interview winds down.

It has not been, but Russell remains chipper. Never fear — he will not become a conformist robot.

“I’m quite chilled, as you probably know,” he says. “Whenever I play, I’ll always be smiling and I’ll try things. If it doesn’t come off, it is what it is. I’m still gonna keep trying it.

“There will still be a smile on my face.”
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Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 8:00 pm
Slick wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 7:06 pm Interesting interview with Finn by an English journo in The Times tomorrow. Certainly sounds like him and Toony are done - not saying he won’t play him, but relationship seems over.

I’ll post tomorrow when I switch the laptop on unless anyone can do it now.

It's on the Glasgow forum.

I never like threads on forums castigating players, that interview only reinforces that view for me
I’m not sure what you mean by this? That Finn is obviously struggling? If so, couldn’t agree more
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Slick wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 8:48 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 8:00 pm
Slick wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 7:06 pm Interesting interview with Finn by an English journo in The Times tomorrow. Certainly sounds like him and Toony are done - not saying he won’t play him, but relationship seems over.

I’ll post tomorrow when I switch the laptop on unless anyone can do it now.

It's on the Glasgow forum.

I never like threads on forums castigating players, that interview only reinforces that view for me
I’m not sure what you mean by this? That Finn is obviously struggling? If so, couldn’t agree more

I mean that players are people and not automatons, I've never gone in for slagging off players online and I think it's getting worse.

You never really see threads about how good someone is, but the comments about how shite someone is come thick and fast.
Any comments on players being good are soon followed by "over-rated", "over-hyped", "flat track bully", "decent at club level", though these are never really backed up with any precision

I find it all a bit depressing.

Finn says he's been told to stay of social media but that his friends and family send him stuff. Blair Kinghorn was subjected to terrible online abuse as a 19 year old for not being the best player in the world, and he still gets it.

Constructive criticism is fine, waiting for confirmation bias isn't.
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mos_eisely_ wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 8:54 pm Darge out for at least 12 weeks. Will miss the summer tour

Ach, that is a real shame.

I was really hoping he and Boyle would go head to head for the 1872 game.
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Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 8:57 pm
Slick wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 8:48 pm
Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 8:00 pm


It's on the Glasgow forum.

I never like threads on forums castigating players, that interview only reinforces that view for me
I’m not sure what you mean by this? That Finn is obviously struggling? If so, couldn’t agree more

I mean that players are people and not automatons, I've never gone in for slagging off players online and I think it's getting worse.

You never really see threads about how good someone is, but the comments about how shite someone is come thick and fast.
Any comments on players being good are soon followed by "over-rated", "over-hyped", "flat track bully", "decent at club level", though these are never really backed up with any precision

I find it all a bit depressing.

Finn says he's been told to stay of social media but that his friends and family send him stuff. Blair Kinghorn was subjected to terrible online abuse as a 19 year old for not being the best player in the world, and he still gets it.

Constructive criticism is fine, waiting for confirmation bias isn't.
Well, yes. I agree with the general thrust of this but it obviously a bit more nuanced.

I find it really depressing when people on social media are tagging the players they are criticising and obviously some of it is just ridiculous and over the top with there never being any excuse for personal attacks.

But I also think it’s part of the enjoyment of watching sport that you dissect games after and criticism of teams or individuals is part of that. There are obviously boundaries and agree that a attacking a 19 year old crosses that and there are plenty of examples of other social media pile ins that are beyond the pale. I think on here it’s mostly pretty fair, if emotional at times

Clubs and countries can’t spend all that time and money getting us emotionally involved and emptying our wallets and then not expect us to get emotional about results or behaviour that impacts our teams.

It’s also a fairly arbitrary boundary sometimes, demanding coaches get sacked and lose their livelihood seems fine but some players are off limits.

What on Earth are Finns friends and family sending him stuff for! That seems mad
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Tough result for Edinburgh but a great game. Referee was chaotic to say the least.
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I like neeps wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 1:53 pm Tough result for Edinburgh but a great game. Referee was chaotic to say the least.
Yip Wasps were the slightly better side and deserved to go through. There were some strange decisions from the referee.
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"What on Earth are Finns friends and family sending him stuff for! That seems mad"

It's called jealousy
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westport wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 2:50 pm
I like neeps wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 1:53 pm Tough result for Edinburgh but a great game. Referee was chaotic to say the least.
Yip Wasps were the slightly better side and deserved to go through. There were some strange decisions from the referee.
Yeah, only saw bits of it but that seemed the case. Ref list it in the last 15 but seemed fairly average for both sides.

Was at Boroughmuir for the Watsonians v Hariots game - haven’t been up there for about 20 years, fantastic set up - great game to watch
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I think there were five players in that match who were at the Dam for the warm up, then dashed up the road to play in this game.
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Can Glasgow avoid their usual 2nd half collapse ?
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Glasgow playing good rugby.
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I just checked the score, saw Glasgow were two scores up, and even as I watched they suddenly weren’t. I hate that.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 8:18 pm Glasgow playing good rugby.
Just a shame that a third of their first 15 are currently injured
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68 minutes, lead is 2 points, and it is painfully clear that Glasgow are going to fuck this up.

EDIT: and they have. This year has not been kind for Scottish teams. Collectively, we have bottled it in almost every game of significance.
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Yr Alban wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 8:39 pm 68 minutes, lead is 2 points, and it is painfully clear that Glasgow are going to fuck this up.
Nostradamus you don’t have to be to make that prediction. Crushingly inevitable.

Glasgow seem to have enough about the first 15 or thereabouts to compete. Their squad depth is abysmal though. Far too much sub-par dead wood.
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Not far off a point a minute since 60 or so. Terrible from the subs or terrible conditioning or something, as it keeps happening.
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Glasgow need Saffers
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 8:59 pm Glasgow need Saffers

Glasgow and Edinburgh are always going to be up against it in Europe.

Lyon operate on a budget bigger than the entire professional game in Scotland, that's everyone from the guys who paint the lines on the pitches in Scotland to the top earning international players and all points in between.

That is just one team.
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I had to hop in the car and rush back north after the game, so have not rewatched it and will not comment till I have.

But I will say the Dam was jumping. Hopefully these levels of enthusiasm can be maintained, but I would never have believed you in the past had you told me an Edinburgh crowd could be so vociferous and enthusiastic.
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weegie01 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 9:48 pm I had to hop in the car and rush back north after the game, so have not rewatched it and will not comment till I have.

But I will say the Dam was jumping. Hopefully these levels of enthusiasm can be maintained, but I would never have believed you in the past had you told me an Edinburgh crowd could so vociferous and enthusiastic.
Good to hear :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

That's why I think Edinburgh needed a suitable stadium.If you can get that atmosphere going, you have a virtuous cycle of building the noise, & the team hopefully responds, & the fans enjoy the atmosphere, & come back, & you can build a formidable place for way teams to visit.
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I left the game feeling disappointed, but oddly buoyed.

This was not a moral victory, Edinburgh lost. There are quibbles about the ref, but I think it went both ways.

Edinburgh do not have a bulky pack compared to many we face, and I am often astonished at just how much bigger some of the opposition packs are as we sit right beside the opposition area. With our best, or near best pack we can be competitive, but when we go as deep into the depth chart as this against a big, athletic pack as Wasps are it is always going to be hard.

I frankly expected a Wasps win, so that we came so close was pleasing in a way. I repeat, never happy with defeat, but Edinburgh showed they could threaten ball in hand even when the pack was under the cosh, which has not always been the case hitherto.

The season is slightly slipping away after promising much. But I'd like to think Edinburgh has evolved in its play and is gradually being able to impose that style on other teams. Still not precise enough at times, but things are coming together, and Mark Bennett is making such a difference.
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weegie01 wrote: Sat May 07, 2022 11:44 pm I left the game feeling disappointed, but oddly buoyed.

This was not a moral victory, Edinburgh lost. There are quibbles about the ref, but I think it went both ways.

Edinburgh do not have a bulky pack compared to many we face, and I am often astonished at just how much bigger some of the opposition packs are as we sit right beside the opposition area. With our best, or near best pack we can be competitive, but when we go as deep into the depth chart as this against a big, athletic pack as Wasps are it is always going to be hard.

I frankly expected a Wasps win, so that we came so close was pleasing in a way. I repeat, never happy with defeat, but Edinburgh showed they could threaten ball in hand even when the pack was under the cosh, which has not always been the case hitherto.

The season is slightly slipping away after promising much. But I'd like to think Edinburgh has evolved in its play and is gradually being able to impose that style on other teams. Still not precise enough at times, but things are coming together, and Mark Bennett is making such a difference.
I think the point around size is obviously Gilchrist, Schoeman and even McBurney played well in the pack I don't think the others did. I think this is my problem with Bradbury is he was just washed out by Willis, Berbeary and company. Crosbie was a bit too ill-disciplined for me. I like Hodgson as a McKenzie replacement but don't think he's an option for the bigger games as first choice.
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I think Gilchrist has had a good season. Skinner coming in next year will push the others, I hope. He should come with some of Exeter’s doggedness.
I can’t see him playing in the back row unless there are injuries, so perhaps he’ll put on a kilo or two and concentrate on the day job
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Tichtheid wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 9:19 am I think Gilchrist has had a good season. Skinner coming in next year will push the others, I hope. He should come with some of Exeter’s doggedness.
I can’t see him playing in the back row unless there are injuries, so perhaps he’ll put on a kilo or two and concentrate on the day job
Gilchrist has been as good as I think I've seen him this year.

Sykes is the one for me, he's a massive lump and a really physical player. He just needs to control himself. I'm a bit unsure about Skinner but agree maybe being a week in week out lock will help him.

I also think another year of Muncaster and Mata/Ritchie back with Watson you have a backrow to compete with the wasps of this world. Who aren't a great team but their back row are all monsters.
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