The Official English Rugby Thread

[Slick]

England are appalling

Can’t really go on an Eddie rant here. english clubs in Europe have been only a notch above the Welsh. Club game is insular and seemingly not facing up to the reality that as individual players and collective teams we’re not cutting it.

No one talks up average players like England, but still, this is against a scratch team with 14 players and Eddie is in charge

[Hal Jordan]

1). Kill Jack fucking Nowell for shitting that penalty up.

2). Kill Johnny Hill for dropping that.

Oh, and Nowell was running in treacle for that try. Fucking hell.

[Oxbow]

That was a lovely try.

[Slick]

That was awesome

[ASMO]

One word


Embarrasing

[PCPhil]

Most of this team really are a bunch of no hopers. Right, off to cook the family fodder.

[Brazil]

Sack Eddie Jones right fucking now. Spoofing fucking cunt.

[Lobby]

Kruis the on;y player with 100% kicking record today.

[Oxbow]

A couple of reasonable performances amongst a whole heap of shit.

[ASMO]

Honestly, ashamed to be an England supporter, utterly disgraceful performance. With the exception of Smith, on that performance none of that team deserve to be anywhere near a plane ticket to Australia.

[Hal Jordan]

George Kruis becomes an instant pub quiz sports round answer with that kick.

Remind me again which team had 14 men? By the last try England weren't even trying to cover back.

[Torquemada 1420]

Skelton is a fucking moron. Red for that, you dense twunt.

Missed the game but Skelton is a moron.

How did Ollivon and Macalou go?

[Slick]

Sack Eddie Jones right fucking now. Spoofing fucking cunt.

I honestly think you should, what’s the point in holding out

[Slick]

Skelton is a fucking moron. Red for that, you dense twunt.

Missed the game but Skelton is a moron.

How did Ollivon and Macalou go?

Both have converted to wing

[Torquemada 1420]

Skelton is a fucking moron. Red for that, you dense twunt.

Missed the game but Skelton is a moron.

How did Ollivon and Macalou go?

Both have converted to wing

In Macalou's case, it's not a conversion!

I assume Le Garrec played well? He's so far ahead of anyone else in the challenge to Dupont, I'm not sure why anyone in France is even debating players like Lucu.

[Hal Jordan]

Sack Eddie Jones right fucking now. Spoofing fucking cunt.

I honestly think you should, what’s the point in holding out

Probably can't afford it.

[Slick]

Missed the game but Skelton is a moron.

How did Ollivon and Macalou go?

Both have converted to wing

In Macalou's case, it's not a conversion!

Is that right? He had one break where he was super fucking rapid

[Torquemada 1420]

Both have converted to wing

In Macalou's case, it's not a conversion!

Is that right? He had one break where he was super fucking rapid

It was an in joke. He's so f**king quick for a backrow, he's played at centre a few times and not looked out of place.

[sockwithaticket]

A whole lot of garbage. Both sides are effectively scratch, so you'd say the difference is between class of player and coaching.

[Torquemada 1420]

A whole lot of garbage. Both sides are effectively scratch, so you'd say the difference is between class of player and coaching.

How is Eng scratch? Most of those players will have been part of the Eng training program and many (most?) with several caps.

[sockwithaticket]

A whole lot of garbage. Both sides are effectively scratch, so you'd say the difference is between class of player and coaching.

How is Eng scratch? Most of those players will have been part of the Eng training program and many (most?) with several caps.

A lot of those who might have been involved before, like Freeman, haven't been even consistent squad selections.

Rodd is the most experienced, in England terms, of the 6 front row players by some distance. A lot of those combinations will have line up alongside each other maybe a couple of times before, less for the tight five. Hence the lineout shambles.

May coming back in brings a lot of experience, but he's been out for basically the whole season and he's never played alongside Freeman or Atkinson, Cokanasiga's own injury issues mean he's not exactly familiar with the other members of the backline.

The Saints and Quins players were only in camp for a week, same as the Baabaas. It was scratch.

[Torquemada 1420]

A whole lot of garbage. Both sides are effectively scratch, so you'd say the difference is between class of player and coaching.

How is Eng scratch? Most of those players will have been part of the Eng training program and many (most?) with several caps.

A lot of those who might have been involved before, like Freeman, haven't been even consistent squad selections.

Rodd is the most experienced, in England terms, of the 6 front row players by some distance. A lot of those combinations will have line up alongside each other maybe a couple of times before, less for the tight five. Hence the lineout shambles.

May coming back in brings a lot of experience, but he's been out for basically the whole season and he's never played alongside Freeman or Atkinson, Cokanasiga's own injury issues mean he's not exactly familiar with the other members of the backline.

The Saints and Quins players were only in camp for a week, same as the Baabaas. It was scratch.

Whole backrow, SH (I assume Randall is deemed the incumbent now) and FH look regular to me along with May.

[Slick]

A whole lot of garbage. Both sides are effectively scratch, so you'd say the difference is between class of player and coaching.

The baabaas playing with 14 for most of the match probably helped them as well. Less confusing

[sockwithaticket]

How is Eng scratch? Most of those players will have been part of the Eng training program and many (most?) with several caps.

A lot of those who might have been involved before, like Freeman, haven't been even consistent squad selections.

Rodd is the most experienced, in England terms, of the 6 front row players by some distance. A lot of those combinations will have line up alongside each other maybe a couple of times before, less for the tight five. Hence the lineout shambles.

May coming back in brings a lot of experience, but he's been out for basically the whole season and he's never played alongside Freeman or Atkinson, Cokanasiga's own injury issues mean he's not exactly familiar with the other members of the backline.

The Saints and Quins players were only in camp for a week, same as the Baabaas. It was scratch.

Whole backrow, SH (I assume Randall is deemed the incumbent now) and FH look regular to me along with May.

Chick, Curry and Underhill was the starting back row. Chick definitely isn't regular and Underhill's injuries have kept him away for a while to the point where I'm not sure you can call him regular anymore. From the bench Lawes obviously is a regular, but Willis was fringe even before losing a year to injury.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

A whole lot of garbage. Both sides are effectively scratch, so you'd say the difference is between class of player and coaching.

How is Eng scratch? Most of those players will have been part of the Eng training program and many (most?) with several caps.

A simpleton might observe the number of caps is a poor indices to consider. What you'd be much keener to know is how many times the players have played alongside each other.

For whatever reason broadcasters give scant attention to what's a much better stat, and one I believe that correlates much better to results, but that could have been proved false since I last saw any analysis this (and that would be a number of seasons back)

[Slick]

A whole lot of garbage. Both sides are effectively scratch, so you'd say the difference is between class of player and coaching.

How is Eng scratch? Most of those players will have been part of the Eng training program and many (most?) with several caps.

A simpleton might observe the number of caps is a poor indices to consider. What you'd be much keener to know is how many times the players have played alongside each other.

For whatever reason broadcasters give scant attention to what's a much better stat, and one I believe that correlates much better to results, but that could have been proved false since I last saw any analysis this (and that would be a number of seasons back)

Come on. It’s ridiculous to try and equate the 2 teams, one of them has been on the piss for a week for a start.

Anyway, I did think there were a few decent performances. Smith was good, May looked pretty sharp and less stupid, the 15 looked like a decent player and I liked the 8 - never seen him before

[I like neeps]

How is Eng scratch? Most of those players will have been part of the Eng training program and many (most?) with several caps.

A simpleton might observe the number of caps is a poor indices to consider. What you'd be much keener to know is how many times the players have played alongside each other.

For whatever reason broadcasters give scant attention to what's a much better stat, and one I believe that correlates much better to results, but that could have been proved false since I last saw any analysis this (and that would be a number of seasons back)

Come on. It’s ridiculous to try and equate the 2 teams, one of them has been on the piss for a week for a start.

Anyway, I did think there were a few decent performances. Smith was good, May looked pretty sharp and less stupid, the 15 looked like a decent player and I liked the 8 - never seen him before

Had the Baabaas been on the piss? Seems like Galthie and Edwards decided to see how well their fringe guys go rather than everyone in to have a knees up. Not sure the baabaas concept should be national coach picks national team players he's had in wider squads and on a few occasions (Ollivon, Cretin, Gros, Penaud, Macalou) actually played in big games. Doesn't sit right with me.

Question for English fans, what do you get out of an uncapped out of test window barbarians game? Player development? HQ is half full so can't be the cash?

[sockwithaticket]

A simpleton might observe the number of caps is a poor indices to consider. What you'd be much keener to know is how many times the players have played alongside each other.

For whatever reason broadcasters give scant attention to what's a much better stat, and one I believe that correlates much better to results, but that could have been proved false since I last saw any analysis this (and that would be a number of seasons back)

Come on. It’s ridiculous to try and equate the 2 teams, one of them has been on the piss for a week for a start.

Anyway, I did think there were a few decent performances. Smith was good, May looked pretty sharp and less stupid, the 15 looked like a decent player and I liked the 8 - never seen him before

Had the Baabaas been on the piss? Seems like Galthie and Edwards decided to see how well their fringe guys go rather than everyone in to have a knees up. Not sure the baabaas concept should be national coach picks national team players he's had in wider squads and on a few occasions (Ollivon, Cretin, Gros, Penaud, Macalou) actually played in big games. Doesn't sit right with me.

Question for English fans, what do you get out of an uncapped out of test window barbarians game? Player development? HQ is half full so can't be the cash?

Definitely not. Each time it's played there are players who will only ever play in this game or a similarly meaningless fixture (USA and Canada tests last year) and some who've played in it to go on and represent other nations. It's by no means a stepping stone into becoming a full international.

[Slick]

A simpleton might observe the number of caps is a poor indices to consider. What you'd be much keener to know is how many times the players have played alongside each other.

For whatever reason broadcasters give scant attention to what's a much better stat, and one I believe that correlates much better to results, but that could have been proved false since I last saw any analysis this (and that would be a number of seasons back)

Come on. It’s ridiculous to try and equate the 2 teams, one of them has been on the piss for a week for a start.

Anyway, I did think there were a few decent performances. Smith was good, May looked pretty sharp and less stupid, the 15 looked like a decent player and I liked the 8 - never seen him before

Had the Baabaas been on the piss? Seems like Galthie and Edwards decided to see how well their fringe guys go rather than everyone in to have a knees up. Not sure the baabaas concept should be national coach picks national team players he's had in wider squads and on a few occasions (Ollivon, Cretin, Gros, Penaud, Macalou) actually played in big games. Doesn't sit right with me.

Question for English fans, what do you get out of an uncapped out of test window barbarians game? Player development? HQ is half full so can't be the cash?

Them being on the piss was referenced a few times during the game. That’s all I have to go on but Flats seemed to be saying he was with them for a good bit of it.

Re your other point, totally agree about the baabaas concept, shouldn’t be gamed like that.

Finally, just realised this is the English rugby thread so I’ll make a respectful retreat as I appreciate some of my posts are a bit pisstaky

[Torquemada 1420]

Had the Baabaas been on the piss? Seems like Galthie and Edwards decided to see how well their fringe guys go rather than everyone in to have a knees up. Not sure the baabaas concept should be national coach picks national team players he's had in wider squads and on a few occasions (Ollivon, Cretin, Gros, Penaud, Macalou) actually played in big games. Doesn't sit right with me.

Question for English fans, what do you get out of an uncapped out of test window barbarians game? Player development? HQ is half full so can't be the cash?

Pfffft. Galthie has a whole Summer tour and the AIs to test out players. I didn't see the game but from what I've read, it was played in exactly the style one would hope from a Baabaas team.

What was the price for tickets at Twickers? Usual rip off I expect at a time when inflation is mental and interest rates on the rise? Although I accept such things probably don't trouble most Eng rugby fans so maybe it's just apathy with watching Eng.

[sockwithaticket]

Had the Baabaas been on the piss? Seems like Galthie and Edwards decided to see how well their fringe guys go rather than everyone in to have a knees up. Not sure the baabaas concept should be national coach picks national team players he's had in wider squads and on a few occasions (Ollivon, Cretin, Gros, Penaud, Macalou) actually played in big games. Doesn't sit right with me.

Question for English fans, what do you get out of an uncapped out of test window barbarians game? Player development? HQ is half full so can't be the cash?

Pfffft. Galthie has a whole Summer tour and the AIs to test out players. I didn't see the game but from what I've read, it was played in exactly the style one would hope from a Baabaas team.

What was the price for tickets at Twickers? Usual rip off I expect at a time when inflation is mental and interest rates on the rise? Although I accept such things probably don't trouble most Eng rugby fans so maybe it's just apathy with watching Eng.

Not until the second half when the game was won. There was a lot more kicking, including penalties being used for a shot at goal, and tight play than you'd typically see from the Barbarians.

From a Toga comment a few pages back

I looked at ticket prices for the England v Barbarians match. There were only 3 tariffs I could see;

£96 adult
£72 adult
£20 child

Not sure how that compares to previous years for the same fixture, but that certainly looks too much for the mix of fringe players and no hopers that usually comprise the England XV in these games even without considering the current cost of living squeeze.

[Margin__Walker]

Was out at a family thing so missed this.

Thought we may struggle a bit before hand, but that's really poor, 'England XV' or not. Wouldn't be unlike Eddie to pull something out of a hat in Oz, but this England set up feels so stale all the same.

[Kawazaki]

Finally, just realised this is the English rugby thread so I’ll make a respectful retreat as I appreciate some of my posts are a bit pisstaky

We've got thick skins and, frankly, we deserve it.

[Hal Jordan]

I have just received an email inviting me to register my interest in tickets for the 2023 Premiership Final.

[Niegs]

Poorly edited highlights, but mon dieu, there are a lot... just not from who I expected after Skelton's early trip to the showers!

[Margin__Walker]

Squad for the U20s. Fin Smith back involved. Iwan Stephens back too.

SQUAD
Charlie Bracken, Saracens, Caps 0
Lucas Brooke, London Irish, Caps 4
Tom Carr-Smith, Bath Rugby, Caps 3
Lewis Chessum, Leicester Tigers, Caps 3
Chandler Cunningham-South, London Irish, Caps 3
Greg Fisilau, Wasps, Caps 2
Ollie Fletcher, Newcastle, Caps 1
Ethan Grayson, Northampton Saints, Caps 5
Alex Harmes, London Irish, Caps 0
Sam Harris, Bath Rugby, Caps 0
George Hendy, Northampton Saints, Caps 3
Emeka Ilione (c), Leicester Tigers, Caps 6
Louie Johnson, Newcastle Falcons, Caps 5
Toby Knight, Saracens, Caps 5
Tom Litchfield, Northampton Saints, Caps 5
Tom Lockett, Northampton Saints, Caps 4
Rekeiti Ma’asi-White, Wasps, Caps 1
Archie McArthur, Wasps, Caps 2
Tumy Onasanya, Sale Sharks, Caps 0
Conor Oresanya, Harlequins, Caps 0
Charlie Rice, Bristol Bears, Caps 3
Ewan Richards, Bath Rugby, Caps 7
Ethan Staddon, Bath Rugby, Caps 0
Finn Theobald-Thomas, Worcester, Caps 2
Andrew Turner, Bristol Bears, Caps 0
Fin Smith, Worcester Warriors, Caps 5
Iwan Stephens, Newcastle Falcons, Caps 1
John Stewart, Bath Rugby, Caps 5
Mikey Summerfield, London Irish, Caps 5
Jed Walsh, Leicester Tigers, Caps 0
Jevaughn Warren, Saracens, Caps 0
Tobi Wilson, Worcester Warriors, Caps 0

FIXTURES
England v South Africa - Friday 24 June, KO 4pm (BST)
England v France - Wednesday 29 June, KO 4pm (BST)
England v Ireland - Tuesday 5 July, KO 7pm (BST)

[Paddington Bear]

I assume U20s games will be on TV/Streamed?

[Margin__Walker]

I assume U20s games will be on TV/Streamed?

England press release seems to suggest it will be streamed on the same U20 6N YouTube channel that streamed the 6 nations.

[SaintK]

I assume U20s games will be on TV/Streamed?

Streaming on Youtube I think?

[Kawazaki]

Tumy Onasanya
Conor Oresanya

The commentators nightmare.