Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Insane_Homer]

[Biffer]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

[C T]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Seems about right, not entirely surprising. Perhaps going to go down as one of the most selfish PM's in history, without a single care given about the damage he's causing so long as he stays in power.

Personally I think he's lost that majority of the party now and if another no confidence vote is held I think he will lose, and I think he will lose quite heavily. Those publicly supporting are just crapping on themselves at the moment.

Beginning of the end I think, but not for a while until the 1922 committee figure out how to hold another vote.

[sturginho]

I'm actually going to a thing in the Houses of Parliament tomorrow morning. Wonder if any MPs will turn up now.

Take a megaphone with you

[Slick]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Jesus

He doesn’t give a shit, phenomenal

[tabascoboy]

Caveat that the source is from The Sun...but not completely unbelievable

[Biffer]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Jesus

He doesn’t give a shit, phenomenal

Told you.

He'll have to be physically removed from Downing St

[Slick]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Jesus

He doesn’t give a shit, phenomenal

Told you.

He'll have to be physically removed from Downing St

I didn’t and don’t disagree, but however it happens this is the end

[I like neeps]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Seems about right, not entirely surprising. Perhaps going to go down as one of the most selfish PM's in history, without a single care given about the damage he's causing so long as he stays in power.

Personally I think he's lost that majority of the party now and if another no confidence vote is held I think he will lose, and I think he will lose quite heavily. Those publicly supporting are just crapping on themselves at the moment.

Beginning of the end I think, but not for a while until the 1922 committee figure out how to hold another vote.

Beginning of the end again is it?

Johnson will tear down anyone and anything to keep power. Joke of a country.

[GogLais]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Steve Barclay? Are there two with similar names? I thought he had turned against Johnson.

[Camroc2]

Starmer saying that he'll support a snap GE - will BloJo take the bait?

[I like neeps]

Starmer saying that he'll support a snap GE - will BloJo take the bait?

Starmer needs to be careful himself. Durham police are taking an awfully long time to decide on his curry and later lockdown evening. He doesn't want to have to resign mix snap GE campaign.

[tabascoboy]

[GogLais]

Starmer saying that he'll support a snap GE - will BloJo take the bait?

I don’t know how it works - if BoJo asks for a GE, could HMTQ tell him to sod off as he’s got a majority, on paper anyway?

[GogLais]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Steve Barclay? Are there two with similar names? I thought he had turned against Johnson.

Ok, it was Steve ERG Baker I was thinking of.

[_Os_]

Zahawi is dodgy, not that hard to find interesting stuff about him, three articles, three different stories. There was a time in the UK when any of these would've been a massive scandal, now it's just common place. It's totally believable that he "phoned a friend" and silenced some YouGov polling, because that's the exact MO in all these stories.

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/04/vacc ... l-company/
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-m ... contracts/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... chdog-says

He's compromised, so of course Johnson makes him the Chancellor. Those who are morons/incompetent/compromised cannot challenge "Big Dog".

Easy meat for the opposition if they're up to the job, they should wheel the next scandal out asap.

[Hal Jordan]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Seems about right, not entirely surprising. Perhaps going to go down as one of the most selfish PM's in history, without a single care given about the damage he's causing so long as he stays in power.

Personally I think he's lost that majority of the party now and if another no confidence vote is held I think he will lose, and I think he will lose quite heavily. Those publicly supporting are just crapping on themselves at the moment.

Beginning of the end I think, but not for a while until the 1922 committee figure out how to hold another vote.

Beginning of the end again is it?

Johnson will tear down anyone and anything to keep power. Joke of a country.

We're a failed state and no mistake.

If this was happening in a "less civilised" country, the words "banana republic" would be trotting out in op eds left, right and centre.

[sturginho]

Starmer saying that he'll support a snap GE - will BloJo take the bait?

I don’t know how it works - if BoJo asks for a GE, could HMTQ tell him to sod off as he’s got a majority, on paper anyway?

No she can't

[Biffer]

Starmer saying that he'll support a snap GE - will BloJo take the bait?

I don’t know how it works - if BoJo asks for a GE, could HMTQ tell him to sod off as he’s got a majority, on paper anyway?

No she can't

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

[fishfoodie]

Another one gone

[sturginho]

I don’t know how it works - if BoJo asks for a GE, could HMTQ tell him to sod off as he’s got a majority, on paper anyway?

No she can't

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

I think the dissolution of parliament act is worded in such a way that it would be impossible (but I could be wrong)

[fishfoodie]

Going to be an interesting 1922 Committee meeting tomorrow !

They were already supposed to be announcing the date for the next Committee elections, & seeking candidates. I wonder if they'll now just have two votes, one for the new members, & one to change the rules to allow for a confidence vote if x% of MPs submit letters, regardless of the time since the last one ?

[tabascoboy]

[I like neeps]

All this ongoing and the pound sliding further.

Surely nobody can believe the conservatives are best for the economy anymore.

[Paddington Bear]

I don’t know how it works - if BoJo asks for a GE, could HMTQ tell him to sod off as he’s got a majority, on paper anyway?

No she can't

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

[Hal Jordan]

All this ongoing and the pound sliding further.

Surely nobody can believe the conservatives are best for the economy anymore.

They never have been. Ever.

[I like neeps]

No she can't

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

[Paddington Bear]

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

Yeah I get that, but there are circumstances where non-involvement is also involvement. I.e. if Labour opposed a snap election, could the Queen be certain that the wish for an early election right now commands the confidence of the House?

[I like neeps]

Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

Yeah I get that, but there are circumstances where non-involvement is also involvement. I.e. if Labour opposed a snap election, could the Queen be certain that the wish for an early election right now commands the confidence of the House?

Yes because she has to, she absolutely cannot make the decision on what might or might not win majority support of the house. Non involvement can be involvement but it would be unprecedented in her reign if she started making political decisions about elections. Just won't happen.

[Dogbert]

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

The Crown /Monarchy absolutely get involved in politics - they just try to keep it quiet

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nment-memo

Last year, the Queen’s lawyers secretly lobbied Scottish ministers to change a draft law to exempt her private land from a major initiative to cut carbon emissions. The exemption meant the Queen was the only private landowner in Scotland who was not required to facilitate the construction of pipelines to heat buildings using renewable energy.

In July 2021, the Guardian published evidence showing the Queen had vetted at least 67 Scottish acts, including legislation dealing with planning laws, property taxation, and protections from tenants, after the Scottish Liberal Democrats uncovered correspondence detailing the use of crown consent in Scotland.

[I like neeps]

Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

The Crown /Monarchy absolutely get involved in politics - they just try to keep it quiet

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nment-memo

Last year, the Queen’s lawyers secretly lobbied Scottish ministers to change a draft law to exempt her private land from a major initiative to cut carbon emissions. The exemption meant the Queen was the only private landowner in Scotland who was not required to facilitate the construction of pipelines to heat buildings using renewable energy.

In July 2021, the Guardian published evidence showing the Queen had vetted at least 67 Scottish acts, including legislation dealing with planning laws, property taxation, and protections from tenants, after the Scottish Liberal Democrats uncovered correspondence detailing the use of crown consent in Scotland.

Sure like any vastly wealthy individual/corporation she will do some lobbying. Prince Charles loves it as well. But there is a difference between using power and influence to lobby (wrong but not constitution threatening) to outright refusing bills. Imagine she refused to give a bill that threatened Sandringham assent which had been passed in the houses.

[Gumboot]

The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

[Lobby]

One of the two who have resigned so far this morning. That brings the total to 12 so far, with possibly more to come during the day:

Cabinet ministers
Rishi Sunak - chancellor
Sajid Javid - health secretary

Ministers
Will Quince - minister for children and families
Alex Chalk - solicitor general

Ministerial aides
Laura Trott - parliamentary private secretary (PPS) to the Transport secretary
Jonathan Gullis - PPS to the Northern Ireland secretary
Saqib Bhatti - PPS to the Health secretary
Nicola Richards - PPS to the Department for Transport
Virginia Crosbie - PPS at the Welsh office

Others
Bim Afolami - vice-chair of the Conservative Party
Theo Clarke - trade envoy to Kenya
Andrew Murrison - trade envoy to Morocco

According to the Institute for Government there are between 160 and 170 MPs who currently hold Government positions who would have to resign to oppose the Government. This includes 95 ministers, 47 PPSs, and 20 Conservative trade envoys.

Given the large number of Tory MPs who are beholden to Johnson for their current posts, its not surprising he scraped through the last confidence vote.

[ASMO]

What would absolutely force the issue is if all those who voted against him in the ballot, quit the party and crossed the floor as independents. His majority would be down the drain and he would have no choice. Will they have the balls to do it? doubtful, most of them are invertebrates

[I like neeps]

What would absolutely force the issue is if all those who voted against him in the ballot, quit the party and crossed the floor as independents. His majority would be down the drain and he would have no choice. Will they have the balls to do it? doubtful, most of them are invertebrates

That would end their careers as MPs though.. the Tories won't give them their seats back.

[Dogbert]

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

The Crown /Monarchy absolutely get involved in politics - they just try to keep it quiet

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nment-memo

Last year, the Queen’s lawyers secretly lobbied Scottish ministers to change a draft law to exempt her private land from a major initiative to cut carbon emissions. The exemption meant the Queen was the only private landowner in Scotland who was not required to facilitate the construction of pipelines to heat buildings using renewable energy.

In July 2021, the Guardian published evidence showing the Queen had vetted at least 67 Scottish acts, including legislation dealing with planning laws, property taxation, and protections from tenants, after the Scottish Liberal Democrats uncovered correspondence detailing the use of crown consent in Scotland.

Sure like any vastly wealthy individual/corporation she will do some lobbying. Prince Charles loves it as well. But there is a difference between using power and influence to lobby (wrong but not constitution threatening) to outright refusing bills. Imagine she refused to give a bill that threatened Sandringham assent which had been passed in the houses.

So the monarchy do get involved in politics then

Yes of course I can't imagine the Crown refusing to sign off bills , but having them amended beforehand certainly seems to happen, and unlike any other powerful lobby group there is always that implied threat that they could refuse to sign bills.

The crown has maintained a back channel to sneak amendments into legislation in such a way as to leave no way for the public or their parliamentary representatives to ever know that changes had been requested or made . I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that

[ASMO]

What would absolutely force the issue is if all those who voted against him in the ballot, quit the party and crossed the floor as independents. His majority would be down the drain and he would have no choice. Will they have the balls to do it? doubtful, most of them are invertebrates

That would end their careers as MPs though.. the Tories won't give them their seats back.

Not so sure about that, especially if they threaten to run against the official Tory candidate and split the vote. Self interest of the party will come first, they will rejoin once the bumblecunt is dust

[sturginho]

Another one gone

[tabascoboy]

Another one gone

This one?

[sturginho]

This political drama could be the catalyst for a new era in the Johnson premiership in which he seeks to transform the country with even greater ambition. Those who still respect his genius for campaigning but are dismayed by mistakes and gaffes will now watch the PM intently for evidence he can unite the party and rapidly change Britain for the better. Mr Johnson will deploy his legendary gifts of persuasion to renew MPs’ faith. Rather than choreograph a graceful retreat, this Prime Minister plans to put his foot to the floor and accelerate ahead. His will to win is his greatest weapon, and he will relish the challenge of defying those who think him finished.