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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:05 pm Look like Italy won the WC.
A shame we shat the bed against Wales, would have loved to see how they got on against the baby boks
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sturginho wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:04 pm Back to back wins against England :spin
Yep fair play, comfortably the better team on both occasions. Hopefully this lot come through and give a boost to your senior level the way the French U20s did a couple of years ago.
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sturginho wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:06 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:05 pm Look like Italy won the WC.
A shame we shat the bed against Wales, would have loved to see how they got on against the baby boks
Dunno about the Bokkies. Italy look pretty good in the tournament. Let's hope they do well in the URC.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:44 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:41 pm Like the English 14.
I suspect he'll be one of a long line of England U20s who end up playing for Wales, his dad was a Welsh international.
Who’s that?
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GogLais wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:15 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:44 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:41 pm Like the English 14.
I suspect he'll be one of a long line of England U20s who end up playing for Wales, his dad was a Welsh international.
Who’s that?
Iwan Stephens, his dad was Colin.
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That is not a yellow card, vad call.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:46 pm
ASMO wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:43 pm Jokeshop England, likely to be 1 win from 4 simply, unacceptable for a country with the resources we do. If this is what we have waiting for us in 3 or 4 years then England are truly fucked.

Just lack of basic skills, passing is shocking its depressing the ehole coaching staff if they had any integrity would simply walk.
It doesn't really matter for us, it's unusual to get more than 1 or 2 future internationals from an U20s cohort. There's so much talent in the academies, championship and universities that comes through we don't have to be unduly concerned by a poor crop.

Coaches definitely need looking at, though.
No way is that right. Maybe for the odd year, plus of course recent years are hard to count while the players are still early in their careers.

I'm with ASMO - if this is the standard of U20 rugby that we can expect then the future aint looking too bright.
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Nice start.
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Not sure if that nice tackle deserved a yellow?
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Maybe the U20 team should play on Saturday instead of the grown up Boks
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We lost our playmaker and captain and everything slow down since. Now a yellow and we are under pressure ht 26-3
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I feel for the Welsh parents sitting on the stands. I've been there. You do everything in your power to get your kid to a final and the opposition is just too strong. Had it just recently. My youngest went the whole season unbeaten in cricket. An unofficial final waa arranged against another unbeaten team. My sons team got a hiding.
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notfatcat wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:55 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:46 pm
ASMO wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:43 pm Jokeshop England, likely to be 1 win from 4 simply, unacceptable for a country with the resources we do. If this is what we have waiting for us in 3 or 4 years then England are truly fucked.

Just lack of basic skills, passing is shocking its depressing the ehole coaching staff if they had any integrity would simply walk.
It doesn't really matter for us, it's unusual to get more than 1 or 2 future internationals from an U20s cohort. There's so much talent in the academies, championship and universities that comes through we don't have to be unduly concerned by a poor crop.

Coaches definitely need looking at, though.
No way is that right. Maybe for the odd year, plus of course recent years are hard to count while the players are still early in their careers.

I'm with ASMO - if this is the standard of U20 rugby that we can expect then the future aint looking too bright.
It's a poor team alright, but I guess there's a couple of players from this cohort getting senior caps in Australia as we speak. You only need a few more to really kick on for it not to be a total disaster. Guys like Ilione, Richards, Chessum, Smith and Stephens all have a shot. Albeit the latter two may end up jumping ship.

That said, it's been too long since we've had a seriously good team at that level. They rarely look particularly well coached as a group.
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40 up .
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Wales have given up, capitlated in the most pathetic manner
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47-8 they should fly the Baby Boks to Cape Town and play them on Saturday instead of the Grown Up Boks
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Junior Boks got better as the tournament went on. Some very good players in this team.
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_Os_ wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:34 pm Junior Boks got better as the tournament went on. Some very good players in this team.
are the 6N U20 teams at full strength? if so then the future of South African Rugby is looking extremely healthy
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Bokkies really played well in the final. To much of everything. Wales came back in the end and score some nice tries.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:03 pm Bokkies really played well in the final. To much of everything. Wales came back in the end and score some nice tries.
SA were very good and very smart with the ref especially.
The score really flattered Wales, they made schoolboy errors and the basics were lacking.
SA looked very well coached and mostly disciplined
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C69 wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:10 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:03 pm Bokkies really played well in the final. To much of everything. Wales came back in the end and score some nice tries.
SA were very good and very smart with the ref especially.
The score really flattered Wales, they made schoolboy errors and the basics were lacking.
SA looked very well coached and mostly disciplined
Cheers Boet. :thumbup: Hope to see these youngsters playing in the URC from next year.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:54 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:10 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:03 pm Bokkies really played well in the final. To much of everything. Wales came back in the end and score some nice tries.
SA were very good and very smart with the ref especially.
The score really flattered Wales, they made schoolboy errors and the basics were lacking.
SA looked very well coached and mostly disciplined
Cheers Boet. :thumbup: Hope to see these youngsters playing in the URC from next year.
One of your props looks about 30
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sturginho wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:04 pm Back to back wins against England :spin
Hats off. Italy is doing some serious building.
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Watched some of the France-Georgian game.

Worried about the quality of our forwards but we do have promising backs.
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TheFrog wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:07 pm
sturginho wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:04 pm Back to back wins against England :spin
Hats off. Italy is doing some serious building.
Or was ... hasn't the new Italian Rugby President been elected partly because he promised to undo the underage set up and give control back to the clubs? Is that actually going to happen? Seems a terrible shame if it does :-(
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C69 wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:01 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:54 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:10 pm

SA were very good and very smart with the ref especially.
The score really flattered Wales, they made schoolboy errors and the basics were lacking.
SA looked very well coached and mostly disciplined
Cheers Boet. :thumbup: Hope to see these youngsters playing in the URC from next year.
One of your props looks about 30
No Boet, the SA players are all u20. We have enough depth to stay within the rules.

We used this tournament to reward our u20 top players while the 6 nation countries probably use it more to develop for the next 6 nations u20 tournament.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:53 am
C69 wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:01 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:54 pm

Cheers Boet. :thumbup: Hope to see these youngsters playing in the URC from next year.
One of your props looks about 30
No Boet, the SA players are all u20. We have enough depth to stay within the rules.

We used this tournament to reward our u20 top players while the 6 nation countries probably use it more to develop for the next 6 nations u20 tournament.
I wasn't doubting you playing by the rules.
I was commenting on ho wold he looked.
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freddie wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:19 pm
TheFrog wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:07 pm
sturginho wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:04 pm Back to back wins against England :spin
Hats off. Italy is doing some serious building.
Or was ... hasn't the new Italian Rugby President been elected partly because he promised to undo the underage set up and give control back to the clubs? Is that actually going to happen? Seems a terrible shame if it does :-(
It's already happened

https://www.onrugby.it/2022/05/16/fir-a ... o-livello/
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“The success is a reward for long process and it’s been a wonderful journey for the players since we assembled as a training group in Stellenbosch,” he said.

“We haven’t played international rugby this year and for us to be standing here (after winning the final against Wales) speaks volumes for what the boys have achieved and the work behind the scenes.

“Our SA Rugby Academy programme, and then this Summer Series in Italy, required a huge amount of detailed planning and I want to thank our entire management – from the coaches, medical, technical and conditioning staff – for making everything work so effectively during this period of time.”

The squad of 30 players also included a couple of 18 and 19 year olds, meaning they would be eligible for the Junior Boks next year again.

“The biggest thing for (the 18 and 19 year olds) is the incredible learnings from this experience and going home a bit hungrier, to be better – and perhaps they’ve put themselves in a position where they will be in the mix again next year,” he said.

Junior Springbok captain Sacha Mngomezulu said playing in the U20 Summer Series was a dream come true for him and the team.

“It’s an amazing feeling standing here unbeaten after four games,” said Mngomezulu.

“Not too long ago, we didn't even play rugby, so credit to World Rugby and the Six Nations for staging this excellent tournament. They allowed the boys to create life-long memories.”
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Am I misunderstanding something? When I saw the pools they’re obviously based on some sort of ranking. With all due respect to Italy, etc. what was the point of pitting the winners of A against B?
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GogLais wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:58 pm Am I misunderstanding something? When I saw the pools they’re obviously based on some sort of ranking. With all due respect to Italy, etc. what was the point of pitting the winners of A against B?
I think the point may have been to give the home team an easy group :shh:
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sturginho wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:10 pm
GogLais wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:58 pm Am I misunderstanding something? When I saw the pools they’re obviously based on some sort of ranking. With all due respect to Italy, etc. what was the point of pitting the winners of A against B?
I think the point may have been to give the home team an easy group :shh:
The mafia decided on the pools :think:
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:31 pm
sturginho wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:10 pm
GogLais wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:58 pm Am I misunderstanding something? When I saw the pools they’re obviously based on some sort of ranking. With all due respect to Italy, etc. what was the point of pitting the winners of A against B?
I think the point may have been to give the home team an easy group :shh:
The mafia decided on the pools :think:
And who am I to question them?
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Saw this and thought it was a bit cheeky.

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Bishops OD players in the tournament Sacha Mngomezulu SA capt, Suleiman Hartzenberg SA , Ross Vincent Italy and Euan Groenewald Scotland

Bishops is the oldest rugby school in South Africa
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Seven Junior Springboks, including captain Sacha Mngomezulu, have signed contract extensions with Western Province Rugby.

Mngomezulu is joined by national U20 teammates props Lamla Nunu and Corne Weilbach, hooker Lukhanyo Vokozela, lock Connor Evans, loose forward Louw Nel and fullback Duran Koevort in signing extensions.

Fellow Junior Springbok players Imad Khan (scrumhalf), Suleiman Hartzenberg (centre) and Paul de Villiers (loose forward) are all on existing contracts in an exciting junior group.

Having made his DHL Stormers debut in the Vodacom United Rugby Championship play-offs, Mngomezulu then took the captaincy of the national U20 side, leading them on an unbeaten U20 Six Nations Summer Series campaign.

Evans also earned his first DHL Stormers cap this season, having performed regularly for DHL Western Province, while Nunu, Vokozela and Weilbach also featured for the senior side in the Carling Currie Cup this year.

These players also join the likes of DHL Western Province U20 captain and loose forward Armand Maritz, hooker Keagan Blanckenberg and fullback Luke Berger in signing extensions.

DHL Stormers Head Coach John Dobson said that retaining talent of this calibre is vital in building on the success that the DHL Stormers enjoyed in the inaugural Vodacom United Rugby Championship campaign.

“This region is a conveyor belt of rugby talent that is unmatched worldwide and it is fantastic to see so many of our promising young players commit their immediate futures here.

“We have already seen some of these players make the step-up to senior level and look forward to seeing all of them develop further within our system,” he said.
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U18 International Series
SA Under-18 squads named for International Series

04 August 2022 | 15:08
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Two South African Under-18 sides, consisting of 26 players each, have been named to take on their age-group counterparts from France and England in a four-team International Series in Paarl later this month.

All six matches have been scheduled to take place at Paarl Gymnasium, with the action to kick off on Friday 19 August. The second round will be on Tuesday 23 August and the action will conclude on Saturday 27 August.

Junior Springbok head and assistant coaches Bafana Nhleko and Chean Roux will be supporting the coaching staff of the two teams, while the two SA Schools coaches, Katleho Lynch and Cobus van Dyk, will be in charge of the two teams.

“These matches form a crucial part of our Elite Player Development (EPD) pathway for our age-group players, run by Herman Masimla and Nico Serfontein, which is why the selectors not only considered players from this year’s U18 Craven Week, but also some who were in the SA U18 team due to tour Georgia last year, a trip which was unfortunately cancelled due to Covid-19,” said Rassie Erasmus, Director of Rugby.

“We spread the net very wide and considered at all the players who are still U18, even some who have finished their schooling, or who were injured earlier in the season. The EPD programmes were designed exactly for this reason – to ensure players who may have missed a big occasion such as the Craven Week do not fall through the cracks.

“The pandemic caused some disruptions to our EPD programmes and to have these boys back on the rugby field, playing in green and gold, is great. We’ve gotten Bafana and Chean involved as the next step would be for these players to move into the next EPD phase under Barry McDonald, as well as the SA Under-20s, before they hit the senior ranks.”

Lynch will again be assisted by James Winstanley, while Van Dyk’s right hand man will be Lwazi Zangqa.

“Katleho, Cobus and their management teams did a great job with the two SA Schools sides last month and their game in Cape Town produced a very high standard of rugby, so it made sense to keep continuity in the coaching ranks, as they already know some of the players very well, and both myself and Chean are excited to be working with them,” said Nhleko.

“England and France have very good age-group rugby programmes and we’re expecting them to provide very strong opposition in this series, which will be beneficial to the players are they are on the cusp of progressing to the Under-20 ranks.

“The World Rugby Under-20 Championship will be back on the calendar next year and I’m expecting most of these guys to feature for the Junior Boks in the next two years.”

The players will start their preparations in Stellenbosch from Sunday, 14 August, and will be based at the Stellenbosch Academy of Sport.

SQUADS:

SA Under-18:

Backs: Michail Damons (fullback, Bulls), Stehan Heymans (flyhalf, Bulls), Steven Nel (scrumhalf, Bulls), Caleb Abrahams (scrumhalf, Cheetahs), Alfondso Isaacs (wing, Cheetahs), Joshua Boulle (centre, Lions), Joel Leotlela (wing, Lions), Litelihle Bester (centre, Sharks), Sha-Jehaan de Jongh (wing, WP), Bruce Sherwood (centre, WP), Thurlon Williams (flyhalf, WP).

Forwards: Sibabalwe Mahashe (loose forward, Border), Lilitha Matsiliza (utility forward, Bulls), Casper Badenhorst (prop, Cheetahs), Lukas Meyer (loose forward, Cheetahs), JF van Heerden (lock, Cheetahs), Sifiso Magwaza (prop, Lions), Thabang Mphafi (lock, Lions), Ethan Bester (hooker, Sharks), Thomas Dyer (loose forward, Sharks), Jack Waterhouse (lock, Sharks), Ruan Swart (prop, SWD), Luca Bakkes (hooker, WP), Matthew Fick (loose forward, WP), Reno Hirst (prop, WP), Zachary Porthen (prop, WP).

SA Under-18 A:

Backs: Onelisiwe Fani (scrumhalf, Border), Sesethu Mpaka (centre, Border), Bradley Giddy (flyhalf, Cheetahs), Antonio Bruiners (centre, SWD), Camden Schoeman (loose forward, SWD), JT Strydom (fullback, SWD), Jameel de Jongh (wing, WP), Gino Cupido (wing, WP), Jurenzo Julies (centre, WP), Liam Koen (flyhalf, WP), Emrique Liedeman (scrumhalf, WP), JC Mars (fullback, WP), Philip-Albert van Niekerk (centre, WP).

Forwards: Max du Pisani (loose forward, EP), Ulrich van der Westhuizen (lock, Lions), Christian Everitt (hooker, Sharks), Liyema Ntshanga (prop, Sharks), Sandile Nzuza (utility forward, Sharks), Nic Snyman (prop, Sharks), Zuki Tom (loose forward, Sharks), Bernard Bladergroen (prop, WP), Daniel Botha (lock, WP), Keanu Coetzee (lock, WP), Divan Fuller (loose forward, WP), Willem Loubser (prop, WP), Juan Smal (hooker, WP).

U18 INTERNATIONAL SERIES FIXTURES:

Friday 19 August 2022

13h00: South Africa U18 A vs France
15h30: South Africa U18 vs England

Tuesday 23 August 2022

13h00: South Africa U18 A vs England
15h30: South Africa U18 vs France

Saturday 27 August 2022

13h00: South Africa U18 A vs France
15h30: South Africa U18 vs England

SA UNDER-18 TEAM MANAGEMENT:

Head Coach: Kathleho Lynch (Golden Lions)
Assistant Coach: James Winstanley (Eastern Province)
Physiotherapist: Ken Kabongo (Boland)
Strength and Conditioning: Sisonke Makapela (Free State)
Team Doctor: Gershin Kortje (Boland)
Team Manager: Dean Moodley (Sharks)

SA UNDER-18 A TEAM MANAGEMENT:

Head Coach: Cobus van Dyk (Blue Bulls)
Assistant Coach: Lwazi Zangqa (Border)
Physiotherapist: Tanya Green (Western Province)
Strength and Conditioning: Yao Faso Amo (Leopards)
Team Doctor: Gershin Kortje (Boland)
Team Manager: Jimmy Jimlongwe (Free State)
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SA Under-18 to face England in Paarl:

15 JC Mars (Western Province)
14 Alfondso Isaacs (Cheetahs)
13 Litelihle Bester (Sharks)
12 Joshua Boulle (Lions)
11 Joel Leotlela (Lions)
10 Stehan Heymans (Bulls)
9 Caleb Abrahams (Cheetahs)
8 Sibabalwe Mahashe (Border)
7 Thabang Mpafi (Lions)
6 Lukas Meyer (Cheetahs)
5 JF van Heerden (Cheetahs)
4 Thomas Dyer (Sharks)
3 Zachary Porthen (captain, Western Province)
2 Ethan Bester (Sharks)
1 Casper Badenhorst (Cheetahs)

Replacements:
16 Luca Bakkes (Western Province)
17 Ruan Swart (SWD)
18 Reno Hirst (Western Province)
19 Jack Waterhouse (Sharks)
20 Matthew Fick (Western Province)
21 Steven Nel (Bulls)
22 Thurlon Williams (Western Province)
23 Bruce Sherwood (Western Province)
24 Sha-Jehaan de Jongh (Western Province)
25 Lilitha Matziliza (Bulls)

Referee: Dylen November

SA Under-18 ‘A’ to face France in Paarl:

15 Jeneil Losper (Western Province)
14 Gino Cupido (Western Province)
13 Antonio Bruiners (Western Province)
12 Philip-Albert van Niekerk (Western Province)
11 Jameel de Jongh (Western Province)
10 Liam Koen (Western Province)
9 Emrique Liedeman (Western Province)
8 Camden Schoeman (captain – SWD)
7 Divan Fuller (Western Province)
6 Zukisane Tom (Sharks)
5 Keanu Coetzee (Western Province)
4 Danio Botha (Western Province)
3 Nic Snyman (Sharks)
2 Juan Smal (Western Province)
1 Liyema Ntshanga (Sharks)

Replacements:
16 Christian Everitt (Sharks)
17 Willem Loubser (Western Province)
18 Bernard Bladergroen (Western Province)
19 Sandile Nzuza (Sharks)
20 Max du Pisani (Eastern Province)
21 Asad Moos (Western Province)
22 Sesethu Mpaka (Border)
23 Bradley Giddy (Cheetahs)

Referee: Ruhan Meiring
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