Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Well the Tories certainly liked to blame Europe for the defenestration; but it was mostly just to cover for internal bickering, & the ambition of those waiting in the wings.

What will they do now that particular ship has sailed ?

Who did the blame in the early 20th century ?

Events, dear boy.

Oh for the days when shagging a hooker provided by a Russian spy, would get you fired, & bring down the entire Government & not make you a future leader

so you're not a fan of Princess NutNut

[Paddington Bear]

Hmm I think there's something to Boris being able to get stuff done. He broke an unprecedented Parliamentary deadlock that ended the career of Theresa May, whatever you think of her a politician who had played in the big leagues for a long time. He delivered an effective vaccine rollout and support for Ukraine etc.
His issue (among many others) is that he has the attention span of a small child. If he wasn't interested nothing got done, see the malaise this country is in despite an 80 seat majority.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

He had nothing to do with the vaccine rollout, and his support for the Ukraine has involved running down our old military supplies with little to no planning on replacing them, and less thought on how that will be paid for, and done at a time when defence contractors have long lead times owing to global supply chain issues, so he's shat the bed and left it as a mess for someone else to clear up

To borrow the Marcus Brigstocke take on that "His defenders have said he got the big calls right because he was against the virus and against Putin," he continued, asking: "What do you want? A badge? In order to get that wrong he'd have to be both Jeremy and Piers Corbyn."

One could reasonably say he's moved the point of difficulty in Brexit away from being a parliamentary one, because taking back control was about avoiding parliamentary sovereignty or something? but he certainly hasn't got Brexit done, he thinks his deal is so bad he thinks we should break the law over it, it barely delivers anything on goods, it delivers less on services (and services are more important to us whether rightly so or not)

[Paddington Bear]

He had nothing to do with the vaccine rollout, and his support for the Ukraine has involved running down our old military supplies with little to no planning on replacing them, and less thought on how that will be paid for, and done at a time when defence contractors have long lead times owing to global supply chain issues, so he's shat the bed and left it as a mess for someone else to clear up

To borrow the Marcus Brigstocke take on that "His defenders have said he got the big calls right because he was against the virus and against Putin," he continued, asking: "What do you want? A badge? In order to get that wrong he'd have to be both Jeremy and Piers Corbyn."

One could reasonably say he's moved the point of difficulty in Brexit away from being a parliamentary one, because taking back control was about avoiding parliamentary sovereignty or something? but he certainly hasn't got Brexit done, he thinks his deal is so bad he thinks we should break the law over it, it barely delivers anything on goods, it delivers less on services (and services are more important to us whether rightly so or not)

The 'he had nothing to do with it' is really fucking tedious given that if it had gone wrong he'd have got the blame. That's what comes with the big job and why CEOs get the big bucks. I didn't suggest he'd made the vaccine himself.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

He had nothing to do with the vaccine rollout, and his support for the Ukraine has involved running down our old military supplies with little to no planning on replacing them, and less thought on how that will be paid for, and done at a time when defence contractors have long lead times owing to global supply chain issues, so he's shat the bed and left it as a mess for someone else to clear up

To borrow the Marcus Brigstocke take on that "His defenders have said he got the big calls right because he was against the virus and against Putin," he continued, asking: "What do you want? A badge? In order to get that wrong he'd have to be both Jeremy and Piers Corbyn."

One could reasonably say he's moved the point of difficulty in Brexit away from being a parliamentary one, because taking back control was about avoiding parliamentary sovereignty or something? but he certainly hasn't got Brexit done, he thinks his deal is so bad he thinks we should break the law over it, it barely delivers anything on goods, it delivers less on services (and services are more important to us whether rightly so or not)

The 'he had nothing to do with it' is really fucking tedious given that if it had gone wrong he'd have got the blame. That's what comes with the big job and why CEOs get the big bucks. I didn't suggest he'd made the vaccine himself.

It's tedious he tries to take credit for the rollout. I suppose he could say by saying out of the way he left space for the adults in the room to crack on. And anyway, once it started it wasn't especially quick as rollouts go, it was okay, but even several EU nations who started after us soon went past us because they had better organised rollouts. Lots of people involved tried really hard, but that's very different to saying the big decisions were right and it's anything the fat clown should get credit for

[I like neeps]

I'd be very interested to know which Western countries got the vaccine roll out wrong. Can anyone think of any?

[Mahoney]

I'd be very interested to know which Western countries got the vaccine roll out wrong. Can anyone think of any?

The AZ vaccine rollout was significantly earlier and faster here than in most Western countries as I recall. To what extent Johnson was responsible I have no idea.

The "got Brexit done" claim I have a major problem with - May failed to get Brexit done because she was honest about the choice between a border in the North Sea and being in a customs union, and chose a customs union. Johnson was able to sign a deal because he lied and claimed there was no choice to be made, while actually choosing the border in the North Sea, and subsequently threatened to renege on the deal because it created a border in the North Sea. There's every reason to think that if he had been honest about the choice, and intended to sign the deal in good faith, he wouldn't have "got Brexit done" but would have ended up in the same snarl as May, because none of the options were palatable.

If that's how you get things done I prefer people who don't get things done.

[C69]

He had nothing to do with the vaccine rollout, and his support for the Ukraine has involved running down our old military supplies with little to no planning on replacing them, and less thought on how that will be paid for, and done at a time when defence contractors have long lead times owing to global supply chain issues, so he's shat the bed and left it as a mess for someone else to clear up

To borrow the Marcus Brigstocke take on that "His defenders have said he got the big calls right because he was against the virus and against Putin," he continued, asking: "What do you want? A badge? In order to get that wrong he'd have to be both Jeremy and Piers Corbyn."

One could reasonably say he's moved the point of difficulty in Brexit away from being a parliamentary one, because taking back control was about avoiding parliamentary sovereignty or something? but he certainly hasn't got Brexit done, he thinks his deal is so bad he thinks we should break the law over it, it barely delivers anything on goods, it delivers less on services (and services are more important to us whether rightly so or not)

The 'he had nothing to do with it' is really fucking tedious given that if it had gone wrong he'd have got the blame. That's what comes with the big job and why CEOs get the big bucks. I didn't suggest he'd made the vaccine himself.

So if you credit him for the vaccine roll out, I assune he gets the blaming for the he billions wasted on track and trace. The massive fraud of the furlough scheme, the woeful PPE fiasco, the care home deaths because of Government incompetence and the problems of borders being as leaky as a sieve.
Not to mention the shambles of the he NHS and transport systems like the railways.
Etc

He must take the blame as well for the credit crisis and our woeful energy crisis.
If not him the Tories win their decade of poor management

[I like neeps]

I'd be very interested to know which Western countries got the vaccine roll out wrong. Can anyone think of any?

The AZ vaccine rollout was significantly earlier and faster here than in most Western countries as I recall. To what extent Johnson was responsible I have no idea.

The "got Brexit done" claim I have a major problem with - May failed to get Brexit done because she was honest about the choice between a border in the North Sea and being in a customs union, and chose a customs union. Johnson was able to sign a deal because he lied and claimed there was no choice to be made, while actually choosing the border in the North Sea, and subsequently threatened to renege on the deal because it created a border in the North Sea. There's every reason to think that if he had been honest about the choice, and intended to sign the deal in good faith, he wouldn't have "got Brexit done" but would have ended up in the same snarl as May, because none of the options were palatable.

If that's how you get things done I prefer people who don't get things done.

The difference in speed in January/Feb was because the UK refused to export vaccines but the EU exported a lot (including to the UK incidentally). But what were the unlock dates and how did the vaccine rollout affect them is the more pertinent question. I think the UK unlocked quite late in comparison.

[Raggs]

I'd be very interested to know which Western countries got the vaccine roll out wrong. Can anyone think of any?

The AZ vaccine rollout was significantly earlier and faster here than in most Western countries as I recall. To what extent Johnson was responsible I have no idea.

The "got Brexit done" claim I have a major problem with - May failed to get Brexit done because she was honest about the choice between a border in the North Sea and being in a customs union, and chose a customs union. Johnson was able to sign a deal because he lied and claimed there was no choice to be made, while actually choosing the border in the North Sea, and subsequently threatened to renege on the deal because it created a border in the North Sea. There's every reason to think that if he had been honest about the choice, and intended to sign the deal in good faith, he wouldn't have "got Brexit done" but would have ended up in the same snarl as May, because none of the options were palatable.

If that's how you get things done I prefer people who don't get things done.

The difference in speed in January/Feb was because the UK refused to export vaccines but the EU exported a lot (including to the UK incidentally). But what were the unlock dates and how did the vaccine rollout affect them is the more pertinent question. I think the UK unlocked quite late in comparison.

When you say the EU exported, you mean EU based businesses sold their products to the people that signed deals with them first, as in regular business. Rather than the EU as a group deciding they'd give away the vaccines they'd bought and paid for. Yes, it's export, but then key ingredients were also made in the UK, which is why all the threats of the EU blocking legitimate business sales (the vaccines to the UK), were completely empty threats, since the UK could simply refuse to export the key ingredients for the vaccines in response.

The vaccine rollout was luckily headed by someone who knew what they were doing, more fluke than judgement I suspect, but at least as pointed out, Johnson (and I suspect most the government) were happy to let the adults do the work and got out the way. That said, our initial vaccine response was very good, our later efforts were lacking.

[petej]

He had nothing to do with the vaccine rollout, and his support for the Ukraine has involved running down our old military supplies with little to no planning on replacing them, and less thought on how that will be paid for, and done at a time when defence contractors have long lead times owing to global supply chain issues, so he's shat the bed and left it as a mess for someone else to clear up

To borrow the Marcus Brigstocke take on that "His defenders have said he got the big calls right because he was against the virus and against Putin," he continued, asking: "What do you want? A badge? In order to get that wrong he'd have to be both Jeremy and Piers Corbyn."

One could reasonably say he's moved the point of difficulty in Brexit away from being a parliamentary one, because taking back control was about avoiding parliamentary sovereignty or something? but he certainly hasn't got Brexit done, he thinks his deal is so bad he thinks we should break the law over it, it barely delivers anything on goods, it delivers less on services (and services are more important to us whether rightly so or not)

The 'he had nothing to do with it' is really fucking tedious given that if it had gone wrong he'd have got the blame. That's what comes with the big job and why CEOs get the big bucks. I didn't suggest he'd made the vaccine himself.

Johnson got out of the way which is what a good manager does with competent staff. The things that are shit are mostly things where he has ignored competent people and gone ahead regardless. CEOs really don't pay for their fuck ups they move onto a new fuck up like dildo hardon did. If that was the case more of them would be in jail. Mostly they don't hang around long enough for the short term stuff they did to catch up with them.

[Paddington Bear]

He had nothing to do with the vaccine rollout, and his support for the Ukraine has involved running down our old military supplies with little to no planning on replacing them, and less thought on how that will be paid for, and done at a time when defence contractors have long lead times owing to global supply chain issues, so he's shat the bed and left it as a mess for someone else to clear up

To borrow the Marcus Brigstocke take on that "His defenders have said he got the big calls right because he was against the virus and against Putin," he continued, asking: "What do you want? A badge? In order to get that wrong he'd have to be both Jeremy and Piers Corbyn."

One could reasonably say he's moved the point of difficulty in Brexit away from being a parliamentary one, because taking back control was about avoiding parliamentary sovereignty or something? but he certainly hasn't got Brexit done, he thinks his deal is so bad he thinks we should break the law over it, it barely delivers anything on goods, it delivers less on services (and services are more important to us whether rightly so or not)

The 'he had nothing to do with it' is really fucking tedious given that if it had gone wrong he'd have got the blame. That's what comes with the big job and why CEOs get the big bucks. I didn't suggest he'd made the vaccine himself.

So if you credit him for the vaccine roll out, I assune he gets the blaming for the he billions wasted on track and trace. The massive fraud of the furlough scheme, the woeful PPE fiasco, the care home deaths because of Government incompetence and the problems of borders being as leaky as a sieve.
Not to mention the shambles of the he NHS and transport systems like the railways.
Etc

He must take the blame as well for the credit crisis and our woeful energy crisis.
If not him the Tories win their decade of poor management

That is quite literally the point I made in the previous post, thank you for agreeing with it

[Torquemada 1420]

He delivered an effective vaccine rollout

So effective, the UK death rate is pretty much as bad as Italy's. A country whose efforts were widely derided.

And closing the borders to an island nation almost a year to the day AFTER the 1st case was genius.

[C69]

The 'he had nothing to do with it' is really fucking tedious given that if it had gone wrong he'd have got the blame. That's what comes with the big job and why CEOs get the big bucks. I didn't suggest he'd made the vaccine himself.

So if you credit him for the vaccine roll out, I assune he gets the blaming for the he billions wasted on track and trace. The massive fraud of the furlough scheme, the woeful PPE fiasco, the care home deaths because of Government incompetence and the problems of borders being as leaky as a sieve.
Not to mention the shambles of the he NHS and transport systems like the railways.
Etc

He must take the blame as well for the credit crisis and our woeful energy crisis.
If not him the Tories win their decade of poor management

That is quite literally the point I made in the previous post, thank you for agreeing with it

Err no you didn't at all

[Biffer]

He had nothing to do with the vaccine rollout, and his support for the Ukraine has involved running down our old military supplies with little to no planning on replacing them, and less thought on how that will be paid for, and done at a time when defence contractors have long lead times owing to global supply chain issues, so he's shat the bed and left it as a mess for someone else to clear up

To borrow the Marcus Brigstocke take on that "His defenders have said he got the big calls right because he was against the virus and against Putin," he continued, asking: "What do you want? A badge? In order to get that wrong he'd have to be both Jeremy and Piers Corbyn."

One could reasonably say he's moved the point of difficulty in Brexit away from being a parliamentary one, because taking back control was about avoiding parliamentary sovereignty or something? but he certainly hasn't got Brexit done, he thinks his deal is so bad he thinks we should break the law over it, it barely delivers anything on goods, it delivers less on services (and services are more important to us whether rightly so or not)

The 'he had nothing to do with it' is really fucking tedious given that if it had gone wrong he'd have got the blame. That's what comes with the big job and why CEOs get the big bucks. I didn't suggest he'd made the vaccine himself.

Well if that’s the case, equal credit should go to Nicola Sturgeon, in fact a bit more given vaccination levels are higher in Scotland.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The 'he had nothing to do with it' is really fucking tedious given that if it had gone wrong he'd have got the blame. That's what comes with the big job and why CEOs get the big bucks. I didn't suggest he'd made the vaccine himself.

So if you credit him for the vaccine roll out, I assune he gets the blaming for the he billions wasted on track and trace. The massive fraud of the furlough scheme, the woeful PPE fiasco, the care home deaths because of Government incompetence and the problems of borders being as leaky as a sieve.
Not to mention the shambles of the he NHS and transport systems like the railways.
Etc

He must take the blame as well for the credit crisis and our woeful energy crisis.
If not him the Tories win their decade of poor management

That is quite literally the point I made in the previous post, thank you for agreeing with it

I thought you were busy praising him for getting the big calls right

UK energy production and distribution
Inflation
Withdrawal from Afghanistan
Housing
Social Care
...

[tabascoboy]

Don't know why this tweet was removed, it was from the Torygraph about

reports that Attorney General Suella Braverman has now banned government lawyers from telling her if proposed government actions are illegal.

seems to have been subtly amended to

The Attorney General has told government lawyers to stop rejecting policies as unlawful without advising on the chances of success, The Telegraph can reveal....

[Paddington Bear]

So if you credit him for the vaccine roll out, I assune he gets the blaming for the he billions wasted on track and trace. The massive fraud of the furlough scheme, the woeful PPE fiasco, the care home deaths because of Government incompetence and the problems of borders being as leaky as a sieve.
Not to mention the shambles of the he NHS and transport systems like the railways.
Etc

He must take the blame as well for the credit crisis and our woeful energy crisis.
If not him the Tories win their decade of poor management

That is quite literally the point I made in the previous post, thank you for agreeing with it

I thought you were busy praising him for getting the big calls right

UK energy production and distribution
Inflation
Withdrawal from Afghanistan
Housing
Social Care
...

No I wasn’t as you could see from reading my post

[Rhubarb & Custard]

That is quite literally the point I made in the previous post, thank you for agreeing with it

I thought you were busy praising him for getting the big calls right

UK energy production and distribution
Inflation
Withdrawal from Afghanistan
Housing
Social Care
...

No I wasn’t as you could see from reading my post

You said he was a man to get things done, which he mostly didn't, get Brexit not done would have been a far more accurate claim and that's pretty much the only thing he does claim to have done.

Yes if you want to a man to cheat on his 4th wife with the au pair Boris might be the man to get that done, if you want a senior government minister to go off without officials or security staff and get drunk with the KGB telling them god knows what then Boris knows a man up for treason.

The sad clown is laughably inadequate

[GogLais]

It may be that he got Brexit done as well as it could have been done given the mood of the country and Parl’t at the time. Of course you could blame him for helping to create that mood.

[Paddington Bear]

I thought you were busy praising him for getting the big calls right

UK energy production and distribution
Inflation
Withdrawal from Afghanistan
Housing
Social Care
...

No I wasn’t as you could see from reading my post

You said he was a man to get things done, which he mostly didn't, get Brexit not done would have been a far more accurate claim and that's pretty much the only thing he does claim to have done.

Yes if you want to a man to cheat on his 4th wife with the au pair Boris might be the man to get that done, if you want a senior government minister to go off without officials or security staff and get drunk with the KGB telling them god knows what then Boris knows a man up for treason.

The sad clown is laughably inadequate

In a response to 'can you believe the man on the street believes Boris gets things done' I answered yes I can and gave some examples. It also contained reasons why he has been a poor PM.

[C69]

No I wasn’t as you could see from reading my post

You said he was a man to get things done, which he mostly didn't, get Brexit not done would have been a far more accurate claim and that's pretty much the only thing he does claim to have done.

Yes if you want to a man to cheat on his 4th wife with the au pair Boris might be the man to get that done, if you want a senior government minister to go off without officials or security staff and get drunk with the KGB telling them god knows what then Boris knows a man up for treason.

The sad clown is laughably inadequate

In a response to 'can you believe the man on the street believes Boris gets things done' I answered yes I can and gave some examples. It also contained reasons why he has been a poor PM.

Nah you are coming across as a fanboi who to little to late begrudingly see some of his faults and believe the bullshit about him getting things done.
Brexit his one thing is nowhere near done.

[Chilli]

Why isn't there a deputy PM so he or she could just take over?

[tabascoboy]

Why isn't there a deputy PM so he or she could just take over?

Dominic Raab is the deputy, but the Tories declined to take that option

[Chilli]

Why isn't there a deputy PM so he or she could just take over?

Dominic Raab is the deputy, but the Tories declined to take that option

Ok.
That is interesting
.

[SaintK]

Why isn't there a deputy PM so he or she could just take over?

Dominic Raab is the deputy, but the Tories declined to take that option

.............and we have another 5 weeks of this fucking charade before they decide that Truss will take over as party leader and PM (God help us all).
What a total waste of time and money. Though I assume no taxpayers money is involved?

[GogLais]

Why isn't there a deputy PM so he or she could just take over?

The PM has to be leader of the largest party except perhaps in very unusual circumstances, Raab doesn’t become leader of the Tories when Johnson resigns.
Also the British constitution, such as it is, doesn’t really recognise the position of Deputy PM, it’s not like VPOTUS.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

No I wasn’t as you could see from reading my post

You said he was a man to get things done, which he mostly didn't, get Brexit not done would have been a far more accurate claim and that's pretty much the only thing he does claim to have done.

Yes if you want to a man to cheat on his 4th wife with the au pair Boris might be the man to get that done, if you want a senior government minister to go off without officials or security staff and get drunk with the KGB telling them god knows what then Boris knows a man up for treason.

The sad clown is laughably inadequate

In a response to 'can you believe the man on the street believes Boris gets things done' I answered yes I can and gave some examples. It also contained reasons why he has been a poor PM.

ah, I thought this was on things he's actually done, not things some (lamentable types) perceive he's done

[Insane_Homer]

[Hal Jordan]

He looks like he's been bought the suit at the start of term with a view to growing into it.

[fishfoodie]

He looks like he's been bought the suit at the start of term with a view to growing into it.

Why do so many wealthy people have such fucking awful tailors ?

[GogLais]

He looks like he's been bought the suit at the start of term with a view to growing into it.

Why do so many wealthy people have such fucking awful tailors ?

Doesn't want people thinking he's a toff.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

He looks like it's Saturday and he's thrown on some old clothes to do a spot of gardening

[Tichtheid]

Rees Mogg wants you to think all of that, it serves to hide his true motivations

David Mitchell

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -to-con-us

[Hal Jordan]

Don't worry, I am well aware that he is a cunt dressed in that's clothing.

[tabascoboy]

Not exactly a hanging offence, but here's hoping the stupid shitwitch has removed herself from the chance of a ministerial posting

[GogLais]

LT has promised- fwiw - to guarantee every A* A-level pupil an Oxbridge interview. Apart from the practical problems it’s depressing that they’re regarded as the peak of aspiration. Why not Imperial College for example?

[GogLais]

Not exactly a hanging offence, but here's hoping the stupid shitwitch has removed herself from the chance of a ministerial posting

It’d be nice if her constituency de-selected her. Not much chance I suppose.

[Hal Jordan]

LT has promised- fwiw - to guarantee every A* A-level pupil an Oxbridge interview. Apart from the practical problems it’s depressing that they’re regarded as the peak of aspiration. Why not Imperial College for example?

How are they going to get on the PPE-MP-Minister pathway if they study something stupid like Chemistry, or Medicine?

Or, God help us, study English or History elsewhere (if they can find a place given the horrible attitude that this Government has to the arts).

[GogLais]

LT has promised- fwiw - to guarantee every A* A-level pupil an Oxbridge interview. Apart from the practical problems it’s depressing that they’re regarded as the peak of aspiration. Why not Imperial College for example?

How are they going to get on the PPE-MP-Minister pathway if they study something stupid like Chemistry, or Medicine?

Bugger., didn’t think of that.