The Official Scottish Rugby Thread

[Jock42]

Didn't think Edmunds would have the pace/stamina to finish that. Good effort.

[weegie01]

How big a stadium is this?

Ibrox was rammed when it was in Glasgow.

[Jock42]

How big a stadium is this?

Ibrox was rammed when it was in Glasgow.

I was at the first session on the first day and it was well over half empty.

[charltom]

How big a stadium is this?

Ibrox was rammed when it was in Glasgow.

32,000 capacity. It's a pretty sparse "crowd".

Good result!

[weegie01]

How big a stadium is this?

Ibrox was rammed when it was in Glasgow.

I was at the first session on the first day and it was well over half empty.

I stand corrected. I was there every session and remember it as being full.

But I am getting old.

[Biffer]

How big a stadium is this?

Ibrox was rammed when it was in Glasgow.

I was at the first session on the first day and it was well over half empty.

I stand corrected. I was there every session and remember it as being full.

But I am getting old.

It was never as empty as what we’re seeing this morning.

[mos_eisely_]

The Times article about Siobhan Cattigan is absolutely heartbreaking and infuriating, and it was perhaps avoidable. Lots of questions for the SRU who don't come out of this well at all

[KingBlairhorn]

The Times article about Siobhan Cattigan is absolutely heartbreaking and infuriating, and it was perhaps avoidable. Lots of questions for the SRU who don't come out of this well at all

Aye, really grim. The SRU have, once again, serious questions to answer.

I have to say though, the usual suspects on Twitter bumping their gums about the SRU response should really at some point pause and have a wee think. Would it really be appropriate, the day after the story came out, for the SRU to chuck their medical team under the bus and say they were completely culpable? Of course they are going to say they don’t recognise the described events. As long as they now undertake a thorough investigation then they can make the best of an irresolvably horrible situation. Regardless of what happens they won’t come out of this well, but castigating innocent staff won’t make the situation better either. The correct steps in the correct order and in good time is what is required, then action can be taken against the correct parties if required, be that the CEO or the team doctor.

[I like neeps]

The Times article about Siobhan Cattigan is absolutely heartbreaking and infuriating, and it was perhaps avoidable. Lots of questions for the SRU who don't come out of this well at all

Aye, really grim. The SRU have, once again, serious questions to answer.

I have to say though, the usual suspects on Twitter bumping their gums about the SRU response should really at some point pause and have a wee think. Would it really be appropriate, the day after the story came out, for the SRU to chuck their medical team under the bus and say they were completely culpable? Of course they are going to say they don’t recognise the described events. As long as they now undertake a thorough investigation then they can make the best of an irresolvably horrible situation. Regardless of what happens they won’t come out of this well, but castigating innocent staff won’t make the situation better either. The correct steps in the correct order and in good time is what is required, then action can be taken against the correct parties if required, be that the CEO or the team doctor.

I don't believe the team doctors did much wrong. Dr Robson who is one of the most respected individuals in rugby is allowing people who report into him to be slapdash and overruled by coaches or administrators? I don't believe that. Maybe I'm stupid to but it just doesn't feel right.

Action is being taken regardless of any independent reports and there's ex players launching a case today. And they'll never be allowed to publish any independent report without the parents say so because of confidential medical records.

[Biffer]

The Times article about Siobhan Cattigan is absolutely heartbreaking and infuriating, and it was perhaps avoidable. Lots of questions for the SRU who don't come out of this well at all

Aye, really grim. The SRU have, once again, serious questions to answer.

I have to say though, the usual suspects on Twitter bumping their gums about the SRU response should really at some point pause and have a wee think. Would it really be appropriate, the day after the story came out, for the SRU to chuck their medical team under the bus and say they were completely culpable? Of course they are going to say they don’t recognise the described events. As long as they now undertake a thorough investigation then they can make the best of an irresolvably horrible situation. Regardless of what happens they won’t come out of this well, but castigating innocent staff won’t make the situation better either. The correct steps in the correct order and in good time is what is required, then action can be taken against the correct parties if required, be that the CEO or the team doctor.

I don't believe the team doctors did much wrong. Dr Robson who is one of the most respected individuals in rugby is allowing people who report into him to be slapdash and overruled by coaches or administrators? I don't believe that. Maybe I'm stupid to but it just doesn't feel right.

Action is being taken regardless of any independent reports and there's ex players launching a case today. And they'll never be allowed to publish any independent report without the parents say so because of confidential medical records.

Got to say that was my first reaction as well, but we need to make sure we investigate and find out what has gone wrong here, or what extra could have been done.

[KingBlairhorn]

Aye, really grim. The SRU have, once again, serious questions to answer.

I have to say though, the usual suspects on Twitter bumping their gums about the SRU response should really at some point pause and have a wee think. Would it really be appropriate, the day after the story came out, for the SRU to chuck their medical team under the bus and say they were completely culpable? Of course they are going to say they don’t recognise the described events. As long as they now undertake a thorough investigation then they can make the best of an irresolvably horrible situation. Regardless of what happens they won’t come out of this well, but castigating innocent staff won’t make the situation better either. The correct steps in the correct order and in good time is what is required, then action can be taken against the correct parties if required, be that the CEO or the team doctor.

I don't believe the team doctors did much wrong. Dr Robson who is one of the most respected individuals in rugby is allowing people who report into him to be slapdash and overruled by coaches or administrators? I don't believe that. Maybe I'm stupid to but it just doesn't feel right.

Action is being taken regardless of any independent reports and there's ex players launching a case today. And they'll never be allowed to publish any independent report without the parents say so because of confidential medical records.

Got to say that was my first reaction as well, but we need to make sure we investigate and find out what has gone wrong here, or what extra could have been done.

That’s broadly what I was thinking too. We don’t know the ins and outs of what happened, but we do know the SRU Head of Medical has been at the forefront of head injury treatment in rugby. The Twitter commentators, including the writers for the Times and others, seem to expect the SRU to have come out and said mistakes were made immediately. For me, that would be chucking Doc Rob and others under the bus.

[westport]

Franco Smith as new Head Coach in Glasgow

[KingBlairhorn]

Franco Smith as new Head Coach in Glasgow

Wouldn’t say I’m super excited by this appointment, but neither was I excited by Toonie or Blair. I was excited by Rennie and Cockerill. I guess we’ll need to wait and see. At least he has form for good rugby and good youth development, both of which are important to Glasgow.

[dpedin]

Franco Smith as new Head Coach in Glasgow

Wouldn’t say I’m super excited by this appointment, but neither was I excited by Toonie or Blair. I was excited by Rennie and Cockerill. I guess we’ll need to wait and see. At least he has form for good rugby and good youth development, both of which are important to Glasgow.

I suspect he will do well. He will also bring a hard edge to their game that Glasgow were missing last year and he will not tolerate the dropping off after 60mins and throwing the towel in. For whatever reason Wilson didn't work out and the players stopped playing for him and themselves, I suspect they might struggle to adopt same mentality with Smith. The market for players has changed in last year with the salary cap changes down south and I can see a few players being told a few home truths if they don't shape up quickly. If required Smith will find it relatively easy to bring new guys in who want to play for him. I suspect there will be a few in the squad who will suddenly find their coats on shoogily pegs if they don't buck up their ideas and commitment quickly.

[KingBlairhorn]

I think you are right dp, new coach clean slate, but also a new set of expectations to meet and a new boss who will expect his ideas and view of the world to be understood and executed on.

[robmatic]

Franco Smith as new Head Coach in Glasgow

Wouldn’t say I’m super excited by this appointment, but neither was I excited by Toonie or Blair. I was excited by Rennie and Cockerill. I guess we’ll need to wait and see. At least he has form for good rugby and good youth development, both of which are important to Glasgow.

It wasn't a good time for the SRU to be looking for a new coach and they've ended up with one who definitely knows the ropes at club and test level. I think he'll also be motivated to do quite well, he was presumably keen to get back into coaching and he's at a club that should be reasonably competitive with the squad that they have.

[Slick]

BlackMac, if you look at this, are you looking for any new customers? Our neighbours are desperate for some help if you are and I said I’d ask

[Dogbert]

Franco Smith as new Head Coach in Glasgow

Wouldn’t say I’m super excited by this appointment, but neither was I excited by Toonie or Blair. I was excited by Rennie and Cockerill. I guess we’ll need to wait and see. At least he has form for good rugby and good youth development, both of which are important to Glasgow.

It wasn't a good time for the SRU to be looking for a new coach and they've ended up with one who definitely knows the ropes at club and test level. I think he'll also be motivated to do quite well, he was presumably keen to get back into coaching and he's at a club that should be reasonably competitive with the squad that they have.

The General concensus of opinion from most of the other Season ticket holders holders have been pretty positive on the appointment.
It seemed that Wilson had 'lost the dressing room' ( I hate that phrase , but in this case it sums it up pretty well ) , so a change had to be made.
Most of us just want to see a decent gameplan implemented , there were times , and not just in the Leinster match, that the players didn't have a clue on what they were being asked to do.

The trouble with the 'Rennies' of the world is that Glasgow will always only be a short term stop , and never a final destination for them. Glasgow need a bit of continuity , and maybe Frano Smith is the man to provide it

Good luck to Franco

[Slick]

Amazingly it turns out the Old Glory investment is a crock of shite

[KingBlairhorn]

Amazingly it turns out the Old Glory investment is a crock of shite

It was a punt, which would be fair enough if the SRU had excess cash reserves and this was a small percentage of that overage. In reality they don’t have enough cash to fund the game as it needs to be funded and this was a significant percentage of the annual cash budget (c.2%). On this basis, even if it does play out favourably in the longer term they outline, it was a poor judgement call to make the investment.

[Biffer]

Scottish guy in the bronze medal judo match is giving away 60kg

[Slick]

What about Eilish! That was beyond gutsy

[Biffer]

What about Eilish! That was beyond gutsy

Fantastic. Don't think I've had athletics move me to tears before.

[Slick]

What about Eilish! That was beyond gutsy

Fantastic. Don't think I've had athletics move me to tears before.

Yup, I had an almighty lump in my throat

[dpedin]

What about Eilish! That was beyond gutsy

Fantastic. Don't think I've had athletics move me to tears before.

Yup, I had an almighty lump in my throat

She was absolutely brilliant! I watched her mum bring back the gold in Embra in 1986. I thought she was gone with 400m to go but dug in there, sheer grit and bloody mindedness.

Watching her run though reminded me of the Bill McLaren quote about Doddie Weir 'on the charge like a mad giraffe' ? Her limbs seem too long for her body and they all seem to move in different directions when she sprints. Feckin effective though!

[Yr Alban]

I don't believe the team doctors did much wrong. Dr Robson who is one of the most respected individuals in rugby is allowing people who report into him to be slapdash and overruled by coaches or administrators? I don't believe that. Maybe I'm stupid to but it just doesn't feel right.

Action is being taken regardless of any independent reports and there's ex players launching a case today. And they'll never be allowed to publish any independent report without the parents say so because of confidential medical records.

Got to say that was my first reaction as well, but we need to make sure we investigate and find out what has gone wrong here, or what extra could have been done.

That’s broadly what I was thinking too. We don’t know the ins and outs of what happened, but we do know the SRU Head of Medical has been at the forefront of head injury treatment in rugby. The Twitter commentators, including the writers for the Times and others, seem to expect the SRU to have come out and said mistakes were made immediately. For me, that would be chucking Doc Rob and others under the bus.

I had to read the last sentence several times trying to figure out why I got a name check and what it was I did! Then the penny dropped. (Yes, I’ve changed my username since then)

[dpedin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62435294

Hay fever playing up again!

[Jock42]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62435294

Hay fever playing up again!

JJ Chalmers talking about him and their shared Selly Oak experience almost did for me. I love to see injured lads/lassies achieve their goals.

[westport]

Nathan Chamberlain and Robbie McCallum have put pen to paper and signed for London Scottish for 2022/23

[Biffer]

Doesn't look like Argentina is an easy place to win after all

[Slick]

Laura Muir is class, never looked in trouble for a second

[Dogbert]

Laura Muir is class, never looked in trouble for a second

Fabulous run

I know she has no regrets , but you do have to wonder what her achievements might have been if she had done some "Mikey Mouse" sports degree . or Engineering degree , arther than a full on 5 year Vet Med degree

[Dogbert]

Laura Muir is class, never looked in trouble for a second

Fabulous run

I know she has no regrets , but you do have to wonder what her achievements might have been if she had done some "Mikey Mouse" sports degree . or Engineering degree , ratrher than a full on 5 year Vet Med degree

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Laura Muir is class, never looked in trouble for a second

Fabulous run

I know she has no regrets , but you do have to wonder what her achievements might have been if she had done some "Mikey Mouse" sports degree . or Engineering degree , arther than a full on 5 year Vet Med degree

Engineering degree mickey mouse?? F*ck. Right. Off. I could never do Wednesday afternoon sports stuff because I had a full timetable 9-5 every day. Compare with my flatmate doing social anthropology who had something like one lecture every fortnight.

Great result for Muir, and for McColgan too.

[Dogbert]

Laura Muir is class, never looked in trouble for a second

Fabulous run

I know she has no regrets , but you do have to wonder what her achievements might have been if she had done some "Mikey Mouse" sports degree . or Engineering degree , arther than a full on 5 year Vet Med degree

Engineering degree mickey mouse?? F*ck. Right. Off. I could never do Wednesday afternoon sports stuff because I had a full timetable 9-5 every day. Compare with my flatmate doing social anthropology who had something like one lecture every fortnight.

Great result for Muir, and for McColgan too.

How many years was your degree ?

What did you do in the evenings / weekends / Holidays in your Engineering degree , were they all consumed with mandatory EMS ?

Muir got no special dispensation during her 5 years at Glasgow .

[Biffer]

Fantastic from the whole team - three boxing golds another highlight, Neah Evans being an unexpected road race medallist was great (commentator didn't mention her until she crossed the line, with huge surprise in his voice).

McColgan the highlight for me though, fantastic race that really ground everyone else out of it.

Best performance apart from the home games in Glasgow, and not far away from that either. Fantastic.

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Fabulous run

I know she has no regrets , but you do have to wonder what her achievements might have been if she had done some "Mikey Mouse" sports degree . or Engineering degree , arther than a full on 5 year Vet Med degree

Engineering degree mickey mouse?? F*ck. Right. Off. I could never do Wednesday afternoon sports stuff because I had a full timetable 9-5 every day. Compare with my flatmate doing social anthropology who had something like one lecture every fortnight.

Great result for Muir, and for McColgan too.

How many years was your degree ?

What did you do in the evenings / weekends / Holidays in your Engineering degree , were they all consumed with mandatory EMS ?

Muir got no special dispensation during her 5 years at Glasgow .

Did I say she did? No. Her achievements on the track are fantastic, never mind that she has also completed a tough degree at the same time. Even getting accepted onto a vet degree course is incredibly difficult.

However, I'm still challenging your assertion that an engineering degree is somehow mickey mouse. 4 years, I worked every summer on industrial placements and had to work pretty bloody hard thank you, including most evenings & weekends when it got to the sharp end. For context, the literature review part for the research project in final year was longer than the entire 2-year dissertation that my flat-mate submitted, and I had a design project to do as well at the same time. I take it your degree wasn't in engineering if you think it's so easy? Ever wonder why the country is short of engineers?

Media studies or social anthropology, now that's mickey-mouse.

[Biffer]

Yeah, I'm interested to hear what dogberts degree is in as well.

[Dogbert]

Engineering degree mickey mouse?? F*ck. Right. Off. I could never do Wednesday afternoon sports stuff because I had a full timetable 9-5 every day. Compare with my flatmate doing social anthropology who had something like one lecture every fortnight.

Great result for Muir, and for McColgan too.

How many years was your degree ?

What did you do in the evenings / weekends / Holidays in your Engineering degree , were they all consumed with mandatory EMS ?

Muir got no special dispensation during her 5 years at Glasgow .

Did I say she did? No. Her achievements on the track are fantastic, never mind that she has also completed a tough degree at the same time. Even getting accepted onto a vet degree course is incredibly difficult.

However, I'm still challenging your assertion that an engineering degree is somehow mickey mouse. 4 years, I worked every summer on industrial placements and had to work pretty bloody hard thank you, including most evenings & weekends when it got to the sharp end. For context, the literature review part for the research project in final year was longer than the entire 2-year dissertation that my flat-mate submitted, and I had a design project to do as well at the same time. I take it your degree wasn't in engineering if you think it's so easy? Ever wonder why the country is short of engineers?

Media studies or social anthropology, now that's mickey-mouse.

Actually , I didn't say that Engineering was a Mickey Mouse degree

I was merely pointing out that Muir woulld have more time to concentrate on running with what are often called 'Mickey Mouse Degrees ,even with a more intellectually rigorus degree as Engineering , she still would have had more time to concentrate on running compared to Vet Med

My First Degree was in Medicine , then decided to athe a complete break after my SSC with the Light Infantry to take my Second degree in Forestry , with my MSC in Forestry Management at Trinty Oxford , all which were challenging in their own ways , all now , many many years ago, ,but none of them as all time consuming as my son's Vet Med degree

[S/Lt_Phillips]

How many years was your degree ?

What did you do in the evenings / weekends / Holidays in your Engineering degree , were they all consumed with mandatory EMS ?

Muir got no special dispensation during her 5 years at Glasgow .

Did I say she did? No. Her achievements on the track are fantastic, never mind that she has also completed a tough degree at the same time. Even getting accepted onto a vet degree course is incredibly difficult.

However, I'm still challenging your assertion that an engineering degree is somehow mickey mouse. 4 years, I worked every summer on industrial placements and had to work pretty bloody hard thank you, including most evenings & weekends when it got to the sharp end. For context, the literature review part for the research project in final year was longer than the entire 2-year dissertation that my flat-mate submitted, and I had a design project to do as well at the same time. I take it your degree wasn't in engineering if you think it's so easy? Ever wonder why the country is short of engineers?

Media studies or social anthropology, now that's mickey-mouse.

Actually , I didn't say that Engineering was a Mickey Mouse degree

I was merely pointing out that Muir woulld have more time to concentrate on running with what are often called 'Mickey Mouse Degrees ,even with a more intellectually rigorus degree as Engineering , she still would have had more time to concentrate on running compared to Vet Med

My First Degree was in Medicine , then decided to athe a complete break after my SSC with the Light Infantry to take my Second degree in Forestry , with my MSC in Forestry Management at Trinty Oxford , all which were challenging in their own ways , all now , many many years ago, ,but none of them as all time consuming as my son's Vet Med degree

You're right, though it did come across that way. I think picking engineering degrees was a poor choice to illustrate your point though. Nevertheless, apologies.

Decent CV btw. That's quite a career change!