Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Paddington Bear]

Modern politicians seem to be completely incapable of adopting policies that extend beyond the life of their current term !

In the case of the Tories, they seem to be able to have destructive ones, that do; i.e. running down the NHS, but constructive ones are few & far between. I suppose HS2, & Crossrail are two, but I water doesn't offer the same cosplay photo-ops, & Energy projects are constantly undermined by special interest groups.

The only reason the Bumblecunt latched onto the Modular reactors, was someone told him they could open a new one every year.

The thinking being "why would i do something that could benefit the opposition in 10 years time" The lack of long term strategic planning is what has gotten us into all this mess in the first place. Fuck whats best for the country, i want to make sure the other cunts fail.

Wonder what, if any, solution there is to this? Longer terms? Not an ideal situation.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Modern politicians seem to be completely incapable of adopting policies that extend beyond the life of their current term !

In the case of the Tories, they seem to be able to have destructive ones, that do; i.e. running down the NHS, but constructive ones are few & far between. I suppose HS2, & Crossrail are two, but I water doesn't offer the same cosplay photo-ops, & Energy projects are constantly undermined by special interest groups.

The only reason the Bumblecunt latched onto the Modular reactors, was someone told him they could open a new one every year.

Modern politicians or just politicians?

The various failings in UK infrastructure are pretty much all decades in the making, for instance there's only one new reservoir being built of any size and even that will not be ready for another 5-6 years, but for any other sensible/serious enlargement and/or new builds there's stuff allegedly at a planning stage so best case scenario something might happen in 10 years, luckily water isn't important

[Tichtheid]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-o ... e-12651131

These two things aged very well, on topic.

I worked on the construction of Torness nuclear power station, I was a labourer in a firm that put up the heating and ventilation ducting.

You don't only get the end product of the power generation, you get 8 to 10 years of jobs and training of apprentices, not to mention the extra jobs in the local community in pubs, hotels, shops, taxis, hairdressers...

Lots of my mates got apprenticeships with MacAlpine as carpenters, others trained as electricians, plumbers, draughtsmen, all sorts.

[Paddington Bear]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-o ... e-12651131

These two things aged very well, on topic.

I worked on the construction of Torness nuclear power station, I was a labourer in a firm that put up the heating and ventilation ducting.

You don't only get the end product of the power generation, you get 8 to 10 years of jobs and training of apprentices, not to mention the extra jobs in the local community in pubs, hotels, shops, taxis, hairdressers...

Lots of my mates got apprenticeships with MacAlpine as carpenters, others trained as electricians, plumbers, draughtsmen, all sorts.

And of course the bloke who started his training on the project 10 years later can run elements of the next power station to be built. And the more energy we can produce cheaply the more competitive British firms are etc etc. Just have a sense that for 20 years or so British politicians of all stripes didn't see this sort of stuff as being important, the next 20 years will be spent talking about little else as a result.

[Paddington Bear]

Modern politicians seem to be completely incapable of adopting policies that extend beyond the life of their current term !

In the case of the Tories, they seem to be able to have destructive ones, that do; i.e. running down the NHS, but constructive ones are few & far between. I suppose HS2, & Crossrail are two, but I water doesn't offer the same cosplay photo-ops, & Energy projects are constantly undermined by special interest groups.

The only reason the Bumblecunt latched onto the Modular reactors, was someone told him they could open a new one every year.

Modern politicians or just politicians?

The various failings in UK infrastructure are pretty much all decades in the making, for instance there's only one new reservoir being built of any size and even that will not be ready for another 5-6 years, but for any other sensible/serious enlargement and/or new builds there's stuff allegedly at a planning stage so best case scenario something might happen in 10 years, luckily water isn't important

The thing about the reservoirs that is so enraging is that by and large reservoirs are really good community assets. I get why local residents don't want a power station next door (it should be irrelevant but I get it), near me are a bunch of lakes used as reservoirs and for water treatment, and they double as nature reserves, walking/running/cycling trails, one you can go out on boats in etc. These are nice things to have nearby!

[tabascoboy]

Modern politicians seem to be completely incapable of adopting policies that extend beyond the life of their current term !

In the case of the Tories, they seem to be able to have destructive ones, that do; i.e. running down the NHS, but constructive ones are few & far between. I suppose HS2, & Crossrail are two, but I water doesn't offer the same cosplay photo-ops, & Energy projects are constantly undermined by special interest groups.

The only reason the Bumblecunt latched onto the Modular reactors, was someone told him they could open a new one every year.

Modern politicians or just politicians?

The various failings in UK infrastructure are pretty much all decades in the making, for instance there's only one new reservoir being built of any size and even that will not be ready for another 5-6 years, but for any other sensible/serious enlargement and/or new builds there's stuff allegedly at a planning stage so best case scenario something might happen in 10 years, luckily water isn't important

The thing about the reservoirs that is so enraging is that by and large reservoirs are really good community assets. I get why local residents don't want a power station next door (it should be irrelevant but I get it), near me are a bunch of lakes used as reservoirs and for water treatment, and they double as nature reserves, walking/running/cycling trails, one you can go out on boats in etc. These are nice things to have nearby!

South East Water has only 2 reservoirs and neither of those especially large accounting for just 8% of supply - and one of those is now down to under 40% full. The water supply is very largely from aquifer boreholes here. - no idea what the current state of that is.

[fishfoodie]

And of course the bloke who started his training on the project 10 years later can run elements of the next power station to be built. And the more energy we can produce cheaply the more competitive British firms are etc etc. Just have a sense that for 20 years or so British politicians of all stripes didn't see this sort of stuff as being important, the next 20 years will be spent talking about little else as a result.

And if, God forbid, the project comes in, on time*, & on budget* & works the way it's supposed to; then all the team involved, will waltz thru any foreign projects they tender for, & that makes money for the UK.

* Relatively speaking

[petej]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-o ... e-12651131

These two things aged very well, on topic.

I worked on the construction of Torness nuclear power station, I was a labourer in a firm that put up the heating and ventilation ducting.

You don't only get the end product of the power generation, you get 8 to 10 years of jobs and training of apprentices, not to mention the extra jobs in the local community in pubs, hotels, shops, taxis, hairdressers...

Lots of my mates got apprenticeships with MacAlpine as carpenters, others trained as electricians, plumbers, draughtsmen, all sorts.

And of course the bloke who started his training on the project 10 years later can run elements of the next power station to be built. And the more energy we can produce cheaply the more competitive British firms are etc etc. Just have a sense that for 20 years or so British politicians of all stripes didn't see this sort of stuff as being important, the next 20 years will be spent talking about little else as a result.

40 years of politicians not seeing this as important to get to this stage. There was a bit of a restart in nuclear under Blair but that slowed down again. You have an entrenched mindset of shrinking and cutting in British politics and business. You can see it in the Tories. Also post brexit importing skills is harder now.

[petej]

Modern politicians seem to be completely incapable of adopting policies that extend beyond the life of their current term !

In the case of the Tories, they seem to be able to have destructive ones, that do; i.e. running down the NHS, but constructive ones are few & far between. I suppose HS2, & Crossrail are two, but I water doesn't offer the same cosplay photo-ops, & Energy projects are constantly undermined by special interest groups.

The only reason the Bumblecunt latched onto the Modular reactors, was someone told him they could open a new one every year.

Potentially, but building the initial ones will be painful. I would be happy if Bumblecunt had given large-scale backing to a couple of modular reactors otherwise you end up with little bits of funding of which too much will be wasted on project planners and manager's and other bullshitters.

[I like neeps]

Modern politicians seem to be completely incapable of adopting policies that extend beyond the life of their current term !

In the case of the Tories, they seem to be able to have destructive ones, that do; i.e. running down the NHS, but constructive ones are few & far between. I suppose HS2, & Crossrail are two, but I water doesn't offer the same cosplay photo-ops, & Energy projects are constantly undermined by special interest groups.

The only reason the Bumblecunt latched onto the Modular reactors, was someone told him they could open a new one every year.

Modern politicians or just politicians?

The various failings in UK infrastructure are pretty much all decades in the making, for instance there's only one new reservoir being built of any size and even that will not be ready for another 5-6 years, but for any other sensible/serious enlargement and/or new builds there's stuff allegedly at a planning stage so best case scenario something might happen in 10 years, luckily water isn't important

The thing about the reservoirs that is so enraging is that by and large reservoirs are really good community assets. I get why local residents don't want a power station next door (it should be irrelevant but I get it), near me are a bunch of lakes used as reservoirs and for water treatment, and they double as nature reserves, walking/running/cycling trails, one you can go out on boats in etc. These are nice things to have nearby!

Where's the profit for Macquarie and the scope for executive bonuses in a community asset?

Water privatisation has literally nothing to do with the public good and all do with "shareholder value". Sarah Bentley isn't getting a nice fat bonus from building a reservoir, but pumping faeces into rivers is very profitable.

[petej]

I would rather swim near a nuclear power station than near a South Coast town.

[Hal Jordan]

I would rather swim near a nuclear power station than near a South Coast town.

One day you might to get to do both, with rising sea levels.

[Blackmac]

Yes Chiltern are pretty consistently excellent, rarely delayed and if it is it's by sub-10 minutes. In fairness it is probably the simplest route to run as their core line stops at Aylesbury and there aren't too many potential points of failure, but they've made travel to Birmingham and then Oxford very competitive and have maximised the potential of Marylebone.

Yes agreed on that. My only complaint with Chiltern is they still are using some very old trains and the WiFi isn't good at all. But they run a good, reliable service.

LNER have always been pretty good to be fair, I use the Edinburgh - London route a lot, although the wifi NEVER works. Annoyingly, once the government took over prices seemed to go up and getting a cheap 1st class fare didn't happen.

I've noticed that as well. We have used Virgin and then LNER quite a bit over the last few years to go to London as it is generally less hassle than flying. You now can't even seem to buy a ticket more than a month in advance and the prices have got ridiculous.

[Biffer]

Truss accusing Ton Newton Dunn, TalkTV presenter and former political editor of The Sun as being a left winger. She's mental

[I like neeps]

Truss accusing Ton Newton Dunn, TalkTV presenter and former political editor of The Sun as being a left winger. She's mental

It doesn't make sense. She's going to win the leadership election, why not start saying what you will do to support people in winter? Because you will have to do something other than cut national insurance and not raise corporation tax.

It's genuinely bizarre someone can be so removed from reality.

[Hal Jordan]

Truss accusing Ton Newton Dunn, TalkTV presenter and former political editor of The Sun as being a left winger. She's mental

No way she accepts an election loss if it happens. Hell, the way things are going I would no longer be surprised if the energy crisis leads to some "temporary suspension of Parliament".

[fishfoodie]

Truss accusing Ton Newton Dunn, TalkTV presenter and former political editor of The Sun as being a left winger. She's mental

It doesn't make sense. She's going to win the leadership election, why not start saying what you will do to support people in winter? Because you will have to do something other than cut national insurance and not raise corporation tax.

It's genuinely bizarre someone can be so removed from reality.

Imagine trying to teach a particularly stupid dog; like a Irish setter, how to roll over. That is what trying to brief dizzy must be like.

She can parrot about a half dozen carefully prepared responses, before she runs out of material, & has to resort to generic crap, to try & shout down the question.

There's no coherent, or credible plans being spoken about, because all they have is the bullshit dogma of the most right wing of groupings in the Tory party. They only know about tax cuts, & Privatization, & cutting benefits; they haven't a clue how to actually deal with an Economic situation as dangerous, & complex as they're facing.

The solutions they have, like cutting VAT, or taxes of the Green levy, will only help people who can already deal, better, than the worst off in society; there's sweet fuck all for people who were already going to a food bank, before this crisis, or on zero hour contracts, & paying minimal tax anyway. The obvious thing is to significantly uplift benefits, for general inflation, & provide fuel credits for the specific issue, that may reduce after the winter, but this would run against all the ERG holds holy.

[robmatic]

Truss accusing Ton Newton Dunn, TalkTV presenter and former political editor of The Sun as being a left winger. She's mental

The Tory party is basically full-on Trumpian now.

[I like neeps]

Truss accusing Ton Newton Dunn, TalkTV presenter and former political editor of The Sun as being a left winger. She's mental

It doesn't make sense. She's going to win the leadership election, why not start saying what you will do to support people in winter? Because you will have to do something other than cut national insurance and not raise corporation tax.

It's genuinely bizarre someone can be so removed from reality.

Imagine trying to teach a particularly stupid dog; like a Irish setter, how to roll over. That is what trying to brief dizzy must be like.

She can parrot about a half dozen carefully prepared responses, before she runs out of material, & has to resort to generic crap, to try & shout down the question.

There's no coherent, or credible plans being spoken about, because all they have is the bullshit dogma of the most right wing of groupings in the Tory party. They only know about tax cuts, & Privatization, & cutting benefits; they haven't a clue how to actually deal with an Economic situation as dangerous, & complex as they're facing.

The solutions they have, like cutting VAT, or taxes of the Green levy, will only help people who can already deal, better, than the worst off in society; there's sweet fuck all for people who were already going to a food bank, before this crisis, or on zero hour contracts, & paying minimal tax anyway. The obvious thing is to significantly uplift benefits, for general inflation, & provide fuel credits for the specific issue, that may reduce after the winter, but this would run against all the ERG holds holy.

I guess that's it. She's like Johnson in that she has absolutely no ideology apart from personal ambition so says the right stuff now and then changes completely in power.

[Tichtheid]

Good article from Monbiot
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nservative

Last month Labour had a ten point lead in the polls, this has slipped to six, it should be sixty.

There is no way in hell the current state of affairs can be laid at Labour's feet, but Starmer has to do more than hope the Tories continue to mess up the country, allowing a narrow Labour win at the next election.

[shaggy]

It doesn't make sense. She's going to win the leadership election, why not start saying what you will do to support people in winter? Because you will have to do something other than cut national insurance and not raise corporation tax.

It's genuinely bizarre someone can be so removed from reality.

Imagine trying to teach a particularly stupid dog; like a Irish setter, how to roll over. That is what trying to brief dizzy must be like.

She can parrot about a half dozen carefully prepared responses, before she runs out of material, & has to resort to generic crap, to try & shout down the question.

There's no coherent, or credible plans being spoken about, because all they have is the bullshit dogma of the most right wing of groupings in the Tory party. They only know about tax cuts, & Privatization, & cutting benefits; they haven't a clue how to actually deal with an Economic situation as dangerous, & complex as they're facing.

The solutions they have, like cutting VAT, or taxes of the Green levy, will only help people who can already deal, better, than the worst off in society; there's sweet fuck all for people who were already going to a food bank, before this crisis, or on zero hour contracts, & paying minimal tax anyway. The obvious thing is to significantly uplift benefits, for general inflation, & provide fuel credits for the specific issue, that may reduce after the winter, but this would run against all the ERG holds holy.

I guess that's it. She's like Johnson in that she has absolutely no ideology apart from personal ambition so says the right stuff now and then changes completely in power.

Why bother setting out a credible plan that the electorate would see as acceptable for the remainder of the term when all she has to do is convince more than half of the Tory party members.

[GogLais]

Good article from Monbiot
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nservative

Last month Labour had a ten point lead in the polls, this has slipped to six, it should be sixty.

There is no way in hell the current state of affairs can be laid at Labour's feet, but Starmer has to do more than hope the Tories continue to mess up the country, allowing a narrow Labour win at the next election.

Indeed. I know there will be a manifesto eventually but atm I’ve no idea what Labour would do differently.

[SaintK]

Good article from Monbiot
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nservative

Last month Labour had a ten point lead in the polls, this has slipped to six, it should be sixty.

There is no way in hell the current state of affairs can be laid at Labour's feet, but Starmer has to do more than hope the Tories continue to mess up the country, allowing a narrow Labour win at the next election.

Indeed. I know there will be a manifesto eventually but atm I’ve no idea what Labour would do differently.

That's the problem. Neither do they apparently!
The government have already implemented the Labour "big idea" in the windfall tax.

[I like neeps]

Good article from Monbiot
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nservative

Last month Labour had a ten point lead in the polls, this has slipped to six, it should be sixty.

There is no way in hell the current state of affairs can be laid at Labour's feet, but Starmer has to do more than hope the Tories continue to mess up the country, allowing a narrow Labour win at the next election.

Indeed. I know there will be a manifesto eventually but atm I’ve no idea what Labour would do differently.

That's the problem. Neither do they apparently!
The government have already implemented the Labour "big idea" in the windfall tax.

Until house prices fall you will have homeowners always voting Tory.

Starmer is ineffective but he is up against the media and economic policy to juice up house prices and therefore asset wealth of their voters at the expense of anything else.

[SaintK]

He needs a few big ideas quick. I would have no problems with him being a boring fuck but he is nowhere. Must be afraid of frightening the horses

.....on holiday as well but will catch up soon. With the Truss/Sunak beauty pageant having another 3 weeks to run you'd hasve thought they'd be all over this

Keir Starmer is reportedly on holiday at the moment, and the parliamentary Labour party has been largely absent in recent days from the public debate about that the government should be doing about soaring energy bills. Instead people like Gordon Brown, Ed Davey and Martin Lewis have emerged as the most vocal critics of the govenrment.
But Bridget Phillipson, the shadow education secretry, told BBC Breakfast this morning that the party would be proposing extra measures “very, very soon”. She said:
We will hear further very, very soon about additional measures that Labour will put in place to make sure that families get the support that they need.

[SaintK]

Says the woman who is slowly but surely destroying our agricultural sector with the shite trade agreements she keeps boasting about
Oh and don't mention what Brexit has done to agriculture in this country!!! She's fucking bonkers.....................and going to be outr next PM, heaven help us all

[tabascoboy]

Says the woman who is slowly but surely destroying our agricultural sector with the shite trade agreements she keeps boasting about
Oh and don't mention what Brexit has done to agriculture in this country!!! She's fucking bonkers.....................and going to be outr next PM, heaven help us all

UK needs more pork markets!

[petej]

Says the woman who is slowly but surely destroying our agricultural sector with the shite trade agreements she keeps boasting about
Oh and don't mention what Brexit has done to agriculture in this country!!! She's fucking bonkers.....................and going to be outr next PM, heaven help us all

UK needs more pork markets!

Didn't we just burn a shitload of pig carcasses due to a lack of meat processing staff? You can actually combine things like solar farms and live stock farming.

[tabascoboy]

Didn't we just burn a shitload of pig carcasses due to a lack of meat processing staff? You can actually combine things like solar farms and live stock farming.

Solar farm trial shows improved fleece on merino sheep grazed under panels

[dpedin]

Anyone else a bit worried about the push for Freeport's and Charter Cities? Anything I have read about them seems to indicate they are just a means to create tax havens for rich and crooks (both the same?) and to give them control over almost all authority and legal means for running them - low taxes, reduced employment regs, low regulations, high levels of privacy and reduced corporate and individual transparency, etc. Did the UK not get rid of them because they were being used for illegal activity, money laundering, movement of high value art works and tax evasion.

However I am not surprised the likes of Truss and the likes of Rees Mogg and her ERG backers and Sunak are driving their creation, they are their beachheads! Its not like they didnt tell us in advance what they were going to do - read JRMs dads book 'The Sovereign Individual' and 'Britannia Unchained' written by Kwasi Kwarteng, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Chris Skidmore and Liz Truss. They see these Freeport's and Charter Cities as the start of implementing their vision.

To be honest the forthcoming economic disaster driven by Brexit and power costs that is going to hit the UK this winter falls exactly into their plans. They want and need the UK to fail so they can quickly introduce the likes of Freeport's and Charter Cities and begin to implement their scary dystopian view of the future. They will be delighted if there is public unrest as this will enable them to enact even more draconian laws to restrict civil demonstrations strikes, employment regulations and union powers. They will do as little as possible to support the UK poor this winter, as Truss would call them 'hand outs' are banned and only tax cuts which benefit the rich will be implemented. Corporate taxes will be reduced in the flawed argument that this will create investment and growth - despite trickle down economics have been discredited as a figment of the imagination of right wing populists. They have used Brexit as the first step towards their deregulated, free trade world where the 'Nanny state' is removed and democratic Gov is a thing of the past.

In many ways Truss is more dangerous than the Blonde Bumblecunt - he was just a hired gun to act as a front man, she is a true zealot, stupid but a zealot. BB was too lazy and too unreliable to drive the agenda as fast as the shady backers wanted, its why they got rid of him and are installing Truss. She will do their bidding without any remorse. You have been warned!

[petej]

Indeed. I know there will be a manifesto eventually but atm I’ve no idea what Labour would do differently.

That's the problem. Neither do they apparently!
The government have already implemented the Labour "big idea" in the windfall tax.

Until house prices fall you will have homeowners always voting Tory.

Starmer is ineffective but he is up against the media and economic policy to juice up house prices and therefore asset wealth of their voters at the expense of anything else.

What can starmer really do against a media tied to the Tory party that gives no space to anyone else and fills the bandwidth of public discourse with bullshit. We are all waiting until the conclusion of the biggest imbecile contest.

[I like neeps]

That's the problem. Neither do they apparently!
The government have already implemented the Labour "big idea" in the windfall tax.

Until house prices fall you will have homeowners always voting Tory.

Starmer is ineffective but he is up against the media and economic policy to juice up house prices and therefore asset wealth of their voters at the expense of anything else.

What can starmer really do against a media tied to the Tory party that gives no space to anyone else and fills the bandwidth of public discourse with bullshit. We are all waiting until the conclusion of the biggest imbecile contest.

I think he has to accept that they'll never back him and find other ways of inspiring support. His column in The Sun is stupid. They give him a bit of page 7 and spend the other 100 pages roasting labour, woke and cancel culture, socialism etc etc.

[SaintK]

Vapid and vain!!! Touche from Sturgeon

That was the main thing she wanted to talk to me about, she wanted to know how she could get into Vogue - and she calls me an attention-seeker. I said to her they came and asked me.
I didn’t really mean to do this, but I said to her it hadn’t actually been my first time in Vogue, it had been my second time.
It looked a little bit as if she’d swallowed a wasp.
I’m sure she’ll be in Vogue before too long.
I remember it because there we were at the world’s biggest climate change conference in Glasgow, world leaders about to arrive
That was the main topic of conversation she was interested in pursuing. And once we’d exhausted that it kind of dried up.
I’m sure we’ll have many more conversations about many more substantive things.

[tc27]

Anyone else a bit worried about the push for Freeport's and Charter Cities? Anything I have read about them seems to indicate they are just a means to create tax havens for rich and crooks (both the same?) and to give them control over almost all authority and legal means for running them - low taxes, reduced employment regs, low regulations, high levels of privacy and reduced corporate and individual transparency, etc. Did the UK not get rid of them because they were being used for illegal activity, money laundering, movement of high value art works and tax evasion.

However I am not surprised the likes of Truss and the likes of Rees Mogg and her ERG backers and Sunak are driving their creation, they are their beachheads! Its not like they didnt tell us in advance what they were going to do - read JRMs dads book 'The Sovereign Individual' and 'Britannia Unchained' written by Kwasi Kwarteng, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Chris Skidmore and Liz Truss. They see these Freeport's and Charter Cities as the start of implementing their vision.

To be honest the forthcoming economic disaster driven by Brexit and power costs that is going to hit the UK this winter falls exactly into their plans. They want and need the UK to fail so they can quickly introduce the likes of Freeport's and Charter Cities and begin to implement their scary dystopian view of the future. They will be delighted if there is public unrest as this will enable them to enact even more draconian laws to restrict civil demonstrations strikes, employment regulations and union powers. They will do as little as possible to support the UK poor this winter, as Truss would call them 'hand outs' are banned and only tax cuts which benefit the rich will be implemented. Corporate taxes will be reduced in the flawed argument that this will create investment and growth - despite trickle down economics have been discredited as a figment of the imagination of right wing populists. They have used Brexit as the first step towards their deregulated, free trade world where the 'Nanny state' is removed and democratic Gov is a thing of the past.

In many ways Truss is more dangerous than the Blonde Bumblecunt - he was just a hired gun to act as a front man, she is a true zealot, stupid but a zealot. BB was too lazy and too unreliable to drive the agenda as fast as the shady backers wanted, its why they got rid of him and are installing Truss. She will do their bidding without any remorse. You have been warned!

Completely wide of the mark.

There is no sinister master plan, no long term strategy no idea how to imagine or deliver anything complicated (outside some islands of competence in the civil service and some ministers). They really have no idea what to do other than repeat vapid slogans to appease their own base and hash up grievances against the bogeyman (it was the EU now its 'Wokeism' and the 'leftist blob'). Also cant help adding this also applies IMO as much to the devolved government in Scotland just with different a bogeymen.

[Tichtheid]

tc27 whenever Scotland is mentioned

[Camroc2]

Good article from Monbiot
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nservative

Last month Labour had a ten point lead in the polls, this has slipped to six, it should be sixty.

There is no way in hell the current state of affairs can be laid at Labour's feet, but Starmer has to do more than hope the Tories continue to mess up the country, allowing a narrow Labour win at the next election.

Surely that's due to the saturation coverage the Tory leadership contest is getting in all media, during what is traditionally the silly season.

[Camroc2]

Says the woman who is slowly but surely destroying our agricultural sector with the shite trade agreements she keeps boasting about
Oh and don't mention what Brexit has done to agriculture in this country!!! She's fucking bonkers.....................and going to be outr next PM, heaven help us all

But, how will she do it ?

Do you not have legally enforceable property rights in the UK ?

If a farmer can make more money filling his fields with solar panels, and planning laws allow this to happen, what's she going to do ?

[fishfoodie]

Good article from Monbiot
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nservative

Last month Labour had a ten point lead in the polls, this has slipped to six, it should be sixty.

There is no way in hell the current state of affairs can be laid at Labour's feet, but Starmer has to do more than hope the Tories continue to mess up the country, allowing a narrow Labour win at the next election.

Surely that's due to the saturation coverage the Tory leadership contest is getting in all media, during what is traditionally the silly season.

There's no point in Labour giving the Tories policies they can copy; as they did the levy on the companies raking in profits.

Better to stand on the sidelines taking notes, as the two candidates tear lumps out of each other, & tell us about the divisions inside the Party.

Coming up, we will have the Standards Committee dissecting the Bumblecunts lies, & potentially setting up him to lose his seat; & the sight of the Tories tearing themselves apart, watching the stupidest PM you've ever had, flip positions on a daily basis, because she trying to balance the ERG nutters in one ear, the majority of MPs, who didn't want her anywhere near the job, (because they know her), & the electorate; who are going to be at the pin of their collar by January, & will be sick to death of watching, Elites, who seem to know nothing of the realities they are living with.

[Biffer]

tc27 whenever Scotland is mentioned

Must
Put
Uppity
Scots
Back
Into
Box

[I like neeps]

Gordon Brown pretty much unveiled the plan today as he's advising Starmer. Seems bizarre Starmer wants to hide. Seems like the time the country wants leadership