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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:43 am Image

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62626774

So even the massive number of times, we know sewage was pumped into watercourses, & the sea, is probably a low number, because the Water companies deliberately don't want to know the actual number of times
The biggest surprise in that list is that Thames Water isn't higher up the table; they usually seem to top most of these lists of shame.

TBF to Thames Water, sewage dumping into the Thames should be reduced massively once the Thames Tideway project has been completed in 2025.
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:43 am Image

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62626774

So even the massive number of times, we know sewage was pumped into watercourses, & the sea, is probably a low number, because the Water companies deliberately don't want to know the actual number of times
And what have we heard from Useless Eustice and DEFRA about this scandal? Absolutely fuck all!!!
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The only way we get rid of tories is if there is absolutely nothing for them to exploit...so let's turn this nation back 1000 years to a nation where we live until we are fourteen...unless we want to study the crossbow..then the wealthy fuck ups will have some sort of use for us..

Frankly we can debate this stuff for the next 900 years, but they have sociologists, scientists, psychologists, the media all working for them using and weoponising your inadequacies aginst you.
You lost.
You underestimated them.
Refused to murder them in the polls, now they are killing us, and they / you don't even accept they are..
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Wibble!
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SaintK wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:23 pmWibble!
Remind me who Line6 HXFX is. Refry?
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SaintK wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:23 pmWibble!
A study published in BMJ Open in 2017 linked austerity to 120,000 extra deaths in England, primarily as a result of a reduction in the number of nurses. Another study put it at 130,000.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ppr-report

I mean dismiss it as wibble..but it is murder, murder for a taxcut..you don't have to put any effort into discovering these facts. But hey if you want to just dismiss murder (for a taxcut) for people with a civilised outlook.people who actually think about these things...it will take a lot of effort...a lot of ignorance..effort and ignorance you lot refuse to put in..or are too lazy to foister..so hey.. just shout wibble.
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I would suggest there is little argument that the current Gov policies strike a balance between profit/enriching the rich and the health of the nation that is ever so slightly biased in favour of profit and the rich! Whether it is underfunding the NHS, keeping pensions and UC below the levels required to live healthily, dumping polio and e-coli rich sewage into our rivers and seas, refusing to put in place legislation to ensure housing is habitable, subsidising big business labour costs by topping up wages or using the old 'nanny state' argument to stop implementing sensible PH policies to prevent smoking, obesity, etc - they are all designed to ensure profits get bigger, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and less healthy. The enrichment of their buddies during the covid pandemic was just the prime example of how profit trumps public health for this Gov. Retrospective studies looking at hard data such as the ones quoted above just prove the point. I suspect the public have reached tipping point with all the shit in the rivers and seas and realise this Gov are taking the piss, literally.
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dpedin wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:45 pm I would suggest there is little argument that the current Gov policies strike a balance between profit/enriching the rich and the health of the nation that is ever so slightly biased in favour of profit and the rich! Whether it is underfunding the NHS, keeping pensions and UC below the levels required to live healthily, dumping polio and e-coli rich sewage into our rivers and seas, refusing to put in place legislation to ensure housing is habitable, subsidising big business labour costs by topping up wages or using the old 'nanny state' argument to stop implementing sensible PH policies to prevent smoking, obesity, etc - they are all designed to ensure profits get bigger, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and less healthy. The enrichment of their buddies during the covid pandemic was just the prime example of how profit trumps public health for this Gov. Retrospective studies looking at hard data such as the ones quoted above just prove the point. I suspect the public have reached tipping point with all the shit in the rivers and seas and realise this Gov are taking the piss, literally.
Agree with all of this.
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Look, I just think we need and have to quantify the amount of poor sick and unemployed people Lizz truss will deem acceptable to kill.

. I reckon Lizz truss at a extremely modest and meek estimate..thinks 500 thousand poor sick and unemployed people is acceptable.
She went to Maths Camp..she talks with a posh accent that goes up at the end..I reckon she thinks 500 thousand people's lives ain't worth living.
Tax cuts all round for the deaths of 500 Thousand People.

She isn't as narcissistic as Torq..or Jacob Rees Mogg who hate litteraliy everyone and who both fly off into narcissistic rage..and who are discovering depths of pompous, arrogance only experienced in wild fiction..and who believe everyone should suffer whilst they furiously wank off in the corner....but that ain't saying much.
So I reckon 500 thousand preventable deaths in two years...whilst people like Torq, Lizz, Iain et'al really give them a good ole narcisistic telling off....for being born.
Thank you...betters.
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Economists at Citi are now predicting inflation at 18%+, the highest level since the mid 70’s.
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Line6 HXFX wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:11 pm The only way we get rid of tories is if there is absolutely nothing for them to exploit...so let's turn this nation back 1000 years to a nation where we live until we are fourteen...unless we want to study the crossbow..then the wealthy fuck ups will have some sort of use for us..

Frankly we can debate this stuff for the next 900 years, but they have sociologists, scientists, psychologists, the media all working for them using and weoponising your inadequacies aginst you.
You lost.
You underestimated them.
Refused to murder them..now they are killing us, and they / you don't even accept they are..
sociologists, scientists and psychologists pretty much universally dislike this government that has ignored them continually.

Liz Truss didn't go to maths club the one thing you can say about this government is how narrow a band of morons they are.
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The #TurdReich are not happy they're trending #TorySewageParty
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Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:14 pm The #TurdReich are not happy they're trending #TorySewageParty
Neither with #StoolBritannia
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sefton wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:11 pm Economists at Citi are now predicting inflation at 18%+, the highest level since the mid 70’s.
That'll be fine as long as pay rises to match it... oh.
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Damn those "militants"!
Criminal barristers in England and Wales vote to go on all-out strike
No worries, I'm sure that the HMG will push through measures to enable the use of Agency Staff to fill in...
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Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:14 pm The #TurdReich are not happy they're trending #TorySewageParty
It's all Thick Lizzie's fault
The Tory leadership frontrunner, Liz Truss, was responsible for cutting millions of pounds of funding earmarked for tackling water pollution during her time as environment secretary, the Guardian can reveal.
Truss, who was in charge at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) between 2014 and 2016, oversaw “efficiency” plans set out in the 2015 spending review to reduce Environment Agency funding by £235m.
This included a £24m cut from a government grant for environmental protection, including surveillance of water companies to prevent the dumping of raw sewage, between 2014-15 and 2016-17, according to the National Audit Office.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... ollution
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sefton wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:11 pm Economists at Citi are now predicting inflation at 18%+, the highest level since the mid 70’s.
Yup.
https://www.ft.com/content/778e65e1-6ec ... 701eb29567

- BofE 13%+
- Bank of America 14%
- GS and EY 15%
- Citi 18.6%

Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year
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Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year
What's the government/temorary admin assistant's position on this - if they have one?

Surely they'll kick the can squarely down the road, that's civil unrest territory.
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lemonhead wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:31 am
Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year
What's the government/temorary admin assistant's position on this - if they have one?

Surely they'll kick the can squarely down the road, that's civil unrest territory.
From the MD of EDF. Meanwhile the bunch of useless cunts in government are busy inspecting their navels or jockeying for a job with Thick Lizzie
We face, despite the support that the government has already announced, a dramatic and catastrophic winter for our customers.
In fact, in January half of the UK households might be in fuel poverty. That’s the reason why we want to take actions in order to do everything we can do in order to help our customers.
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lemonhead wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:31 am
Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year
What's the government/temorary admin assistant's position on this - if they have one?

Surely they'll kick the can squarely down the road, that's civil unrest territory.
Perhaps they decided we just need to suffer for our own good. Cue a speech in one year from a Cabinet Lackwit quoting "yes it hurt, yes it worked"...
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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:30 am
lemonhead wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:31 am
Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year
What's the government/temorary admin assistant's position on this - if they have one?

Surely they'll kick the can squarely down the road, that's civil unrest territory.
Perhaps they decided we just need to suffer for our own good. Cue a speech in one year from a Cabinet Lackwit quoting "yes it hurt, yes it worked"...
They won't though. Opinion polls for the government in winter are going to be absolutely brutal and their line won't hold. They'll freeze the cap (I reckon at a very uncomfortable £3000).
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I like neeps wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:33 am
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:30 am
lemonhead wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:31 am

What's the government/temorary admin assistant's position on this - if they have one?

Surely they'll kick the can squarely down the road, that's civil unrest territory.
Perhaps they decided we just need to suffer for our own good. Cue a speech in one year from a Cabinet Lackwit quoting "yes it hurt, yes it worked"...
They won't though. Opinion polls for the government in winter are going to be absolutely brutal and their line won't hold. They'll freeze the cap (I reckon at a very uncomfortable £3000).
The Tory Twats are obviously holding back any planned help on the basis that their shiny new PM Truss will come riding in on her white charger and rescue the poor public with, in her words, a hand out that will save the day. However I suspect they will underestimate the scale of the problem and just make matters worse. The damage has done, the shit in the sea has consigned them to being flushed away pretty quickly now.
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dpedin wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:54 am
I like neeps wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:33 am
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:30 am

Perhaps they decided we just need to suffer for our own good. Cue a speech in one year from a Cabinet Lackwit quoting "yes it hurt, yes it worked"...
They won't though. Opinion polls for the government in winter are going to be absolutely brutal and their line won't hold. They'll freeze the cap (I reckon at a very uncomfortable £3000).
The Tory Twats are obviously holding back any planned help on the basis that their shiny new PM Truss will come riding in on her white charger and rescue the poor public with, in her words, a hand out that will save the day. However I suspect they will underestimate the scale of the problem and just make matters worse. The damage has done, the shit in the sea has consigned them to being flushed away pretty quickly now.
I think they're holding back because during the leadership election the PM as well as being incredibly lazy really has no power so I doubt he could do anything even if he wanted to (which he doesn't).
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This is brutal. Basically, post-pandemic England & Wales are getting up to 500 excess deaths a week in a way that no other European country is, because of the collapse of emergency care

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Mahoney wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:20 am This is brutal. Basically, post-pandemic England & Wales are getting up to 500 excess deaths a week in a way that no other European country is, because of the collapse of emergency care

Read it today. It's a damning article. 1 in 7 beds blocked by someone who cannot be discharged into care.
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JM2K6 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:48 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:14 amThis is my new thing. I’ve joined 3 local campaign groups in the last couple of weeks and volunteering my time and political networks to help where I can. The state of our seas and waterways makes me fume and it’s doesn’t seem to me to be a particularly difficult thing to sort out of there was any will.

In saying that, seeing the fucking state of the beach the morning after a warm night makes me wonder how many people actually give a shit, it’s quite depressing
Good on you.

On your final point, I read some interesting theories by people recently that there's a sense of "giving up" leading to a breakdown in the social contract. England's government hasn't bothered to do jack shit for the people for a long time, everyone feels like life is getting worse and that there's no real hope, and as a result there's no pride in the country or the environment. It's quite a nihilistic viewpoint but having spent a bit of time abroad and in some of England's less populous areas the difference is stark; England is fucking depressing.
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Slick wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:25 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:48 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:14 amThis is my new thing. I’ve joined 3 local campaign groups in the last couple of weeks and volunteering my time and political networks to help where I can. The state of our seas and waterways makes me fume and it’s doesn’t seem to me to be a particularly difficult thing to sort out of there was any will.

In saying that, seeing the fucking state of the beach the morning after a warm night makes me wonder how many people actually give a shit, it’s quite depressing
Good on you.

On your final point, I read some interesting theories by people recently that there's a sense of "giving up" leading to a breakdown in the social contract. England's government hasn't bothered to do jack shit for the people for a long time, everyone feels like life is getting worse and that there's no real hope, and as a result there's no pride in the country or the environment. It's quite a nihilistic viewpoint but having spent a bit of time abroad and in some of England's less populous areas the difference is stark; England is fucking depressing.
I've had to leave one already because they are idiots :lolno:
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So as well as being party to the current shit storm in our rivers and around our coastline because of all her her cuts at DEFRA, Truss was also fucking useless at the MoJ.
Well, according to the venerable Tory ex speaker and lawyer Lord Mackay
After serving as environment secretary, Truss spent a year as justice secretary and lord chancellor. Her performance in that job has also come under fire too. In an interview with the House magazine to mark his retirement from the House of Lords at the age of 95, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, a very distinguished former Conservative lord chancellor, said that non-lawyers like Truss and Chris Grayling were not suited to the role. He went on:

I don’t know that Liz Truss had any idea of how legal aid was done either, when she was lord chancellor and justice secretary. You really need to know something about it.
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So the Wicked Witch of Witham has come out of hiding and wants to to remain as Home Secretary
But Priti Patel, the current home secretary, wants to remain in her post, and in an interview with Sky’s Jason Farrell she has made her case to stay. Asked if she wanted to keep her job, she replied:
That’s the choice of the next leader. But the fact of the matter is this party was elected with a very clear manifesto commitment to beat crime, cut crime, but also deliver 20,000 more police officers. I think my record in that time speaks volumes.
Her record :lol: :lol: :crazy: :crazy:
No mention of her abject failure to stem the flow of immigrants which she vowed to do. According to reports her and Truss have never got along so she'll probably be demoted to Party Chairman where her dog whistle policies will be better received
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Liverpool is a shining example of what happens when Labour are left in charge.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-24821446

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-62603295
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Fundamentally unserious. Is anyone going to ask Truss how spending the money back from the tax cut on energy is going to grow the economy? There won't be any growth with energy costs how they are. Everyone is cutting back. Just admit to it and create a plan ffs.
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ia801310 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:15 pm Liverpool is a shining example of what happens when Labour are left in charge.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-24821446

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-62603295
You do realise that this is not a left wing council, don't you?
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C69 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:08 am
ia801310 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:15 pm Liverpool is a shining example of what happens when Labour are left in charge.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-24821446

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-62603295
You do realise that this is not a left wing council, don't you?
?????

https://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/mg ... aspx?bcr=1

It is a Labour council.

I know that to you anybody to the right of Jeremy Corbyn is a fascist, to most people a Labour Council is a left wing council.
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ia801310 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:12 am
C69 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:08 am
ia801310 wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:15 pm Liverpool is a shining example of what happens when Labour are left in charge.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-24821446

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-62603295
You do realise that this is not a left wing council, don't you?
?????

https://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/mg ... aspx?bcr=1

It is a Labour council.

I know that to you anybody to the right of Jeremy Corbyn is a fascist, to most people a Labour Council is a left wing council.
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Be afraid, be very afraid!!
Redwood was Welsh secretary under John Major, but he has not served in government since 1995 and he last sat on the Conservative frontbench in 2005. But he has been tipped for a ministerial job if Truss becomes PM.
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