What's going on in Ukraine?

[Hellraiser]

The Russian government has given itself the right to repurpose factories for military production i.e. they have effectively put the country on a total war footing. This mobilisation is open ended, we're not talking about a minor escalation here.

It's really important, that now there's a comprehensive set of empargos in place; that the consequences of individuals, & companies, breaking those embagos, are so punitive, that the risk / reward proposition, just isn't tenable !

We all know there are shell companies in India, & China, & others, that are ordering tech parts, & funnelling them onto Russia; this always happens with embargos, but it's critical, that people & banks behind these companies understand that they can't just fold up the tents when they get caught, & laugh it off, & nothing will happen.

There has to be a clear line in the sand, that any individual, or institution that breaks these sanctions, is plutonium; i.e. their toxic for the next 20,000 years, & if you do business with them, in any way, shape, or form, then you're radioactive too !!!

There can't be any, nod & wink about breaking sanctions, getting caught, & then just rehabilitating yourself, & your company immediately, & just carrying on like nothing every happened; if you break sanctions, it has to be a death sentance.

You can't simply turn a tractor factory into a tank factory anymore. It's not the 1940s. It's theatrical farce to distract the ultranationalists and vatniks. Any actual attempt at total war would see the Russian economy grind to a halt and collapse in short order.

[fishfoodie]

You can't simply turn a tractor factory into a tank factory anymore. It's not the 1940s. It's theatrical farce to distract the ultranationalists and vatniks. Any actual attempt at total war would see the Russian economy grind to a halt and collapse in short order.

Maybe not, but you can take a tractor factory, & have them use their know how, to repair broken fire control systems, & suspensions, or maybe even, with some training, replace barrels that have had too many rounds thru them !

Electronics repair is a piece of piss, if you have techs who can diagnose basic errors, & then have a bin full of parts they can use to replace the failures !!!

The Russians have thousands of broken tanks, & if they can repair even a percentage of them, they do't need to build any new ones.

[Hellraiser]

[Hellraiser]

You can't simply turn a tractor factory into a tank factory anymore. It's not the 1940s. It's theatrical farce to distract the ultranationalists and vatniks. Any actual attempt at total war would see the Russian economy grind to a halt and collapse in short order.

Maybe not, but you can take a tractor factory, & have them use their know how, to repair broken fire control systems, & suspensions, or maybe even, with some training, replace barrels that have had too many rounds thru them !

Electronics repair is a piece of piss, if you have techs who can diagnose basic errors, & then have a bin full of parts they can use to replace the failures !!!

The Russians have thousands of broken tanks, & if they can repair even a percentage of them, they do't need to build any new ones.

That would be all well and good if we were talking about something basic and unbreakable like a T-55. Which is also completely obsolete ( the M-55S is a different story). Even the relatively modern T-80s they are pulling out of storage are breaking down almost immediately; POWs in Kharkiv said either the gun didn't fire or if it did the transmission failed, and so on. That's leaving aside the sheer amount of tanks in Siberian graveyards that are completely unusable due to neglect and or every valuable electronic or mechanical part having been stripped out and sold.

[fishfoodie]

You can't simply turn a tractor factory into a tank factory anymore. It's not the 1940s. It's theatrical farce to distract the ultranationalists and vatniks. Any actual attempt at total war would see the Russian economy grind to a halt and collapse in short order.

Maybe not, but you can take a tractor factory, & have them use their know how, to repair broken fire control systems, & suspensions, or maybe even, with some training, replace barrels that have had too many rounds thru them !

Electronics repair is a piece of piss, if you have techs who can diagnose basic errors, & then have a bin full of parts they can use to replace the failures !!!

The Russians have thousands of broken tanks, & if they can repair even a percentage of them, they do't need to build any new ones.

That would be all well and good if we were talking about something basic and unbreakable like a T-55. Which is also completely obsolete ( the M-55S is a different story). Even the relatively modern T-80s they are pulling out of storage are breaking down almost immediately; POWs in Kharkiv said either the gun didn't fire or if it did the transmission failed, and so on. That's leaving aside the sheer amount of tanks in Siberian graveyards that are completely unusable due to neglect and or every valuable electronic or mechanical part having been stripped out and sold.

Elsewhere on here it's been mentioned on here how John Deere is being a prick, becase they're denying farmers out in bumfuck Indiana the ability to repair their own tractors, even though their tractors are decades more advance than all but the most advanced Russian tanks !

Electronics is just electronics; it doesn't matter if it's in the fire control system of a tank, or an amp of your cinema. If there isn't 5.0V on a pin, & there's 20x components between the input & the pin, then you just replace, or compare each of the components, & then replace the failing one. What ultimately matters if you can get the components to replace the ones that have failed.

[Hellraiser]

[Hellraiser]

Maybe not, but you can take a tractor factory, & have them use their know how, to repair broken fire control systems, & suspensions, or maybe even, with some training, replace barrels that have had too many rounds thru them !

Electronics repair is a piece of piss, if you have techs who can diagnose basic errors, & then have a bin full of parts they can use to replace the failures !!!

The Russians have thousands of broken tanks, & if they can repair even a percentage of them, they do't need to build any new ones.

That would be all well and good if we were talking about something basic and unbreakable like a T-55. Which is also completely obsolete ( the M-55S is a different story). Even the relatively modern T-80s they are pulling out of storage are breaking down almost immediately; POWs in Kharkiv said either the gun didn't fire or if it did the transmission failed, and so on. That's leaving aside the sheer amount of tanks in Siberian graveyards that are completely unusable due to neglect and or every valuable electronic or mechanical part having been stripped out and sold.

Elsewhere on here it's been mentioned on here how John Deere is being a prick, becase they're denying farmers out in bumfuck Indiana the ability to repair their own tractors, even though their tractors are decades more advance than all but the most advanced Russian tanks !

Electronics is just electronics; it doesn't matter if it's in the fire control system of a tank, or an amp of your cinema. If there isn't 5.0V on a pin, & there's 20x components between the input & the pin, then you just replace, or compare each of the components, & then replace the failing one. What ultimately matters if you can get the components to replace the ones that have failed.

Which is a very significant problem if the component is western and there is no domestic/Chinese knock-off alternative, though arguably using either of the latter would be worse than going without.

[laurent]

House arrest in Turkey. Fuck that

Much better than Starved to death in some of the Pseudo republic jail (and tortured / burned alive)

[tabascoboy]

[Uncle fester]

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[Guy Smiley]

[Hellraiser]

Hearing from a pretty reliable source that Russian KIAs, of all stripes, now stand at c. 68,000.

Total casualties/losses are estimated at c. 150,000.

More than half the original invasion force is gone.

[fishfoodie]

Hearing from a pretty reliable source that Russian KIAs, of all stripes, now stand at c. 68,000.

Total casualties/losses are estimated at c. 150,000.

More than half the original invasion force is gone.

Credible numbers.

To put some context on them, the Russians lost less than 15k KIA in the decade long conflict in Afghanistan, & the loss of materials was orders of magnitude less; & the state of the Russian military was much higher then.

[Hellraiser]

Hearing from a pretty reliable source that Russian KIAs, of all stripes, now stand at c. 68,000.

Total casualties/losses are estimated at c. 150,000.

More than half the original invasion force is gone.

Credible numbers.

To put some context on them, the Russians lost less than 15k KIA in the decade long conflict in Afghanistan, & the loss of materials was orders of magnitude less; & the state of the Russian military was much higher then.

The Americans lost a total of 58k in the entire Vietnam War, though 10k of those were not KIA.

[tabascoboy]

For all those unwillingly mobilized and their families, a great comfort I'm sure

[TB63]

[tabascoboy]

Yep, nothing wrong with this voting process



They really don't seem keen on being mobilized

[tabascoboy]

[fishfoodie]

The recruiters are fucking loving this !

At the best of times, no-one wants to do their stint, so these boys get fat off bribes for deferments; so with a for real war going on, & a good chance of becoming fertilizer, the bribes will just be rolling in; in fact I'd specifically start sending draft notices to the sons of the great & the good, because you can't get blood from a stone, & you still have to make your quota.

[tabascoboy]

I guess they are being encouraged to get really steaming as it makes them easier to deal with once they're totally incapable and insensate

[Niegs]

And what are the odds those recruiters see any time in the war zone? I hope they get their Himmelstoss moment. Officer: "Thank you, comrade recruiter. You might as well go too." "But... I do such a good job here." "Yes, and they can use your leadership at the front!"

... cut to ...

[Hellraiser]

[Uncle fester]

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/xlyi9k

Reddit pictures of same guy. Injured and never got treatment in captivity.

[tabascoboy]

[Grandpa]

Would like to hear the original as seems to have another version (with a piano) playing...

[Uncle fester]

So it's not the tank that's going the way off the dodo, it's the F35?

[tabascoboy]

[tabascoboy]

Since it is easier to distribute draft notices to workplaces where large numbers of the eligible can be found, Russia now risks important factories running short of labour...

[tabascoboy]

Another Escapegoat for Putin, let's hope he's replaced with someone even less competent

Dmitry Vitalyevich Bulgakov Army General, chief of the logistic support of the Russian armed forces, has been fired.

[Flockwitt]

Another Escapegoat for Putin, let's hope he's replaced with someone even less competent

Dmitry Vitalyevich Bulgakov Army General, chief of the logistic support of the Russian armed forces, has been fired.

Probably had the temerity to say he couldn't arm 300,000 civilians in two weeks with thoughts and prayers.

[Thor Sedan]

At the time it seemed like bluster......

[tabascoboy]

[Biffer]

Arming lots of people who don't want to fight and hate you for asking them to isn't the smartest move in the world.

[tabascoboy]

Arming lots of people who don't want to fight and hate you for asking them to isn't the smartest move in the world.

Yes, although Russians are not at all shy about using Punishment Units to brutalise any attempts at escape or surrender. Anyone trying to do so is more likely just to try to run and hide, although the threat of hundreds or thousands rebelling and running amok against their own does have a certain appeal!

[fishfoodie]

Arming lots of people who don't want to fight and hate you for asking them to isn't the smartest move in the world.

Yes, although Russians are not at all shy about using Punishment Units to brutalise any attempts at escape or surrender. Anyone trying to do so is more likely just to try to run and hide, although the threat of hundreds or thousands rebelling and running amok against their own does have a certain appeal!

and look at what they're arming them with .....




I suppose you could hit someone over the head with it.

[tabascoboy]

Russia continues to win friends and influence people

[tabascoboy]

And increasing claims from mostly Indian sources that the CCP and PLA are attempting a coup, with Xi Jinping under house arrest. Sounds like fake news though.