Mosque Shooter sentencing - and what to do with the body

[Ted.]

if you can use the thing safely, without harming yourself or others, you should be able to.

Benign intent is one thing. Circumstantial risk is another.

What's your stance on mask wearing on planes, trains and uber automobiles?

As a sovereign citizen, I should be able to go mask free if I am virus free. Jacinta is violating my God given right.

Signed
Karen from Bunnings

I think Karen, that you must make your own choice and bear the consequences of that choice. I will be wearing one, whether or not you choose to is up to you bearing in mind the law may mandate the wearing of masks in certain circumstances hence the need for you to take responsibility for your choice as that may apply under the law, whether you believe that law applies to you or not.

Yeah, and we can make seatbelt choices for our kids too. So there!

Give it up mate, it doesn't suit you.

[Tilly Orifice]

if you can use the thing safely, without harming yourself or others, you should be able to.

Benign intent is one thing. Circumstantial risk is another.

What's your stance on mask wearing on planes, trains and uber automobiles?

As a sovereign citizen, I should be able to go mask free if I am virus free. Jacinta is violating my God given right.

Signed
Karen from Bunnings

I think Karen, that you must make your own choice and bear the consequences of that choice. I will be wearing one, whether or not you choose to is up to you bearing in mind the law may mandate the wearing of masks in certain circumstances hence the need for you to take responsibility for your choice as that may apply under the law, whether you believe that law applies to you or not.

So you're determined to protect Karen from your coronavirus; but you're quite happy for to spray hers about the place, just as long as she's prepared to accept the no doubt severe penalties for not wearing a mask?

[Thommo]

No, we can't send him back to where he came from. They will just let him go in no time. Dutton would probably pardon him. I do think we should send them the bill for his safe imprisonment here though.

Do you actually think that would happen?

Also, we'll pay his bills if you guys pay for your guys in prison over here. Deal?

I did make mention of that but there is a difference. 80% of Kiwis incarcerated in Australia learned their trade there (that's an educated guess), where-as this monster didn't develop his warped hatred of Muslims in New Zealand. He arrived here with the sole intention of committing this act.

Is that a yes? We'll pay for this fuckwit if you pay for all yours.

[stemoc]

likely to get 800 years in prison with parole hearing after 200 years.

[blackblackblack]

Sorry Ted, not giving anything up. We're adults and allowed to have differing opinions, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
I'm not part of the shooting community, I have loads of friends who are. That can no longer partake of their pastime. As I've already said I don't think anyone outside of the military needs an assault rifle, that doesn't preclude people from wanting one.

So, for my part, I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Enzedder]

I disagree totally with you bbb because

Nearly 700 firearms were reported stolen from licensed gun owners last year, data released to Newshub under the Official Information Act shows.

But despite more than 1500 firearms being seized by police in raids, only a fraction of recovered guns had been reported stolen.

The vast majority were rifles - 436 in total - followed by shotguns, at 186. Three military-style semi-automatic (MSSA) rifles and three pistols were also reported stolen from people with valid firearms licences.

[blackblackblack]

Ok Enz, no worries.

[stemoc]

if you need a gun to prove that you are a man, then my friend, you are not one.

[Fat Old Git]

No, we can't send him back to where he came from. They will just let him go in no time. Dutton would probably pardon him. I do think we should send them the bill for his safe imprisonment here though.

Do you actually think that would happen?

Also, we'll pay his bills if you guys pay for your guys in prison over here. Deal?

As long as they're genuinely our guys and not Aussies in every measure except for a piece of paper who just happened to have been born in NZ and spent a few years here as a child.

[Thommo]

No, we can't send him back to where he came from. They will just let him go in no time. Dutton would probably pardon him. I do think we should send them the bill for his safe imprisonment here though.

Do you actually think that would happen?

Also, we'll pay his bills if you guys pay for your guys in prison over here. Deal?

As long as they're genuinely our guys and not Aussies in every measure except for a piece of paper who just happened to have been born in NZ and spent a few years here as a child.

What if you live all your life in one country but refuse to become a citizen of that country and vociferously lambast your adopted country (and their rugby teams) on, say, a social media platform?

[stemoc]

Do you actually think that would happen?

Also, we'll pay his bills if you guys pay for your guys in prison over here. Deal?

As long as they're genuinely our guys and not Aussies in every measure except for a piece of paper who just happened to have been born in NZ and spent a few years here as a child.

What if you live all your life in one country but refuse to become a citizen of that country and vociferously lambast your adopted country (and their rugby teams) on, say, a social media platform?

[Fat Old Git]

Do you actually think that would happen?

Also, we'll pay his bills if you guys pay for your guys in prison over here. Deal?

As long as they're genuinely our guys and not Aussies in every measure except for a piece of paper who just happened to have been born in NZ and spent a few years here as a child.

What if you live all your life in one country but refuse to become a citizen of that country and vociferously lambast your adopted country (and their rugby teams) on, say, a social media platform?

Some might pause and consider what that might say about the adopted country.

[Guy Smiley]

As long as they're genuinely our guys and not Aussies in every measure except for a piece of paper who just happened to have been born in NZ and spent a few years here as a child.

What if you live all your life in one country but refuse to become a citizen of that country and vociferously lambast your adopted country (and their rugby teams) on, say, a social media platform?

Some might pause and consider what that might say about the adopted country.

Poor Australia... they’re the victim here, right?

[usemame]

I thought one could be born in Oz, spend one's entire life there and still not fulfil the criteria to be a citizen, if one didn't comply with the financial component, no?

[Kiap]

I thought one could be born in Oz, spend one's entire life there and still not fulfil the criteria to be a citizen, if one didn't comply with the financial component, no?

That's branching off from shootin' and the shooter being sentenced ... but your thought is incorrect.

[usemame]

Hmmm. I see no financial requirement, fair enough.

What are the general eligibility requirements to apply for Australian Citizenship?

To be eligible to apply for Australian citizenship, you must have:

Been an Australian permanent resident for at least 1 year and lived in Australia for at least 9 out of 12 months before you apply
Been lawfully resident in Australia for at least 4 years before you apply
Not been absent from Australia for more than 12 months in the last 4 years before you apply
Good moral character
https://www.immigrationdirect.com.au/au ... ation.html

[Thommo]

Hmmm. I see no financial requirement, fair enough.

What are the general eligibility requirements to apply for Australian Citizenship?

To be eligible to apply for Australian citizenship, you must have:

Been an Australian permanent resident for at least 1 year and lived in Australia for at least 9 out of 12 months before you apply
Been lawfully resident in Australia for at least 4 years before you apply
Not been absent from Australia for more than 12 months in the last 4 years before you apply
Good moral character
https://www.immigrationdirect.com.au/au ... ation.html

I know a few Kiwis who've lived in Australia for 20+ years but refuse to get citizenship. They've even flown home to give birth before coming back to raise their kid here.

[Auckman]

All bets are on NZ's very first sentence of life without parole. No pressure judge.

[Green light echo]

Hmmm. I see no financial requirement, fair enough.

What are the general eligibility requirements to apply for Australian Citizenship?

To be eligible to apply for Australian citizenship, you must have:

Been an Australian permanent resident for at least 1 year and lived in Australia for at least 9 out of 12 months before you apply
Been lawfully resident in Australia for at least 4 years before you apply
Not been absent from Australia for more than 12 months in the last 4 years before you apply
Good moral character
https://www.immigrationdirect.com.au/au ... ation.html

I know a few Kiwis who've lived in Australia for 20+ years but refuse to get citizenship. They've even flown home to give birth before coming back to raise their kid here.

Yes, they are what you call parasitic cunts.

[Enzedder]

I know a few Kiwis who've lived in Australia for 20+ years but refuse to get citizenship. They've even flown home to give birth before coming back to raise their kid here.

You must be rapt - all those taxes and no responsibilities. They're lazy or dumb (maybe both)

[Guy Smiley]

I know a few Kiwis who've lived in Australia for 20+ years but refuse to get citizenship. They've even flown home to give birth before coming back to raise their kid here.

Yes, they are what you call parasitic cunts.

It got a lot harder to get citizenship around 2000. Couple that with the availability of the SCV and not getting citizenship is no big deal... but it does trigger a lot of you guys. I don’t see the reason for the fuss myself but it’s not for me to judge the deep seated cultural cringe that defines the Australian character so comprehensively that the inferiority reflex kicks in when the neighbours reject your advances.

I’ve had Australian citizenship since 1992... it’s cunt acts like ole mate Green Light Echo and his xenophobic carry on that ensure I’d never call myself an Australian. Like nearly every other Kiwi living in Australia, I just pay my taxes, carry my share and wave at the oi oi oi-ing fucktards. The weather’s alright, though.

[Enzedder]

The weather’s alright, though.

40 degrees isn't "alright". It's fucking insane and then snakes...

[Auckman]

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/your-childre ... es-forever

Poor buggers. No parent should have to bury their kids.

[Muttonbird]

I ask that this scum of the world never be allowed to walk from the prison in his lifetime. I also ask that he be put into mainstream prison to stop wasting taxpayer money in giving him special treatment.

While you are in prison you will come to the reality that you are now in hell and only fire awaits you. Your father was a garbage man and you became the trash of society. He is ashamed of your identity. You deserve to be buried in a landfill.

- Ahad Nabi

You are not actually a human, or even an animal, since animals are beneficial to the world.

- Mustafa Boztas

You are weak. Look at yourself. Look around this courtroom and consider who is the 'other' here? Is it us, or is it you? I think the answer is clear.

- Sara Qasem

Kia ora to all of you, except the beast. I hope you will rot between the four walls of your cell for eternity.

- Hasmine Mohamedhosen

Among the 51 people who lost their lives was Mucaad Aden Ibrahim who was aged 3...

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... rrant.html

[stemoc]

Australia, never disappoints... not sure why ppl want to move there?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ories.html

[Muttonbird]

Here's Mucaad Ibrahim. Murdered on March 15, 2019.

Mucaad was killed in the most incomprehensible and evil way - shot at point blank range by (the foreign beast). His body was picked up by worshipper Nathan Smith.

"I held a three-year-old boy in my arms, praying that he was still alive," Smith said in his victim impact statement on Tuesday. "He was not. You took him away. He was three."

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... court.html

[Enzedder]

Sentencing this afternoon. Rot in jail, and then in hell maggot

[JPNZ]

Life without parole, Good Job!

He is a terrorist, an inhumane and wicked mass killer – a "monster" and "undoubtedly" New Zealand's "worst murderer".

And now Brenton Harrison Tarrant will never be released from prison, spending the rest of his life behind bars without any possibility of parole.

He has today been sentenced to life imprisonment without parole – meaning he will never, ever be freed.

It is the first time in New Zealand history this sentence has been imposed.

On March 15 2019 the 29-year-old Australian stormed two Christchurch mosques during Friday prayer and opened fire on men, women and children worshipping.

As a result of his attack 51 people died and 40 were wounded.

He initially pleaded not guilty to his offending but later changed his mind and admitted 51 charges of murder, 40 counts of attempted murder and one of engaging in a terrorist act laid under the Terrorism Suppression Act 2002.

Sentencing for the mass murderer started on Monday in the High Court at Christchurch before Justice Cameron Mander.

Key points from today's sentencing include:

-The Crown pushed for life without parole for "clearly New Zealand's worst murderer".
-Tarrant did not oppose being locked up for life.
-He claimed in a pre-sentence report that he was not racist or xenophobic.
-He said his political and social views at the time weren't real, saying he felt ostracised and had wanted to damage society.
-But he accepted it was without doubt a terror attack.
-The Crown said it was clearly ideologically driven, saying Tarrant was a dangerous narcissist who warranted a life without parole.

[blackblackblack]

The only credible outcome. Now to get him put in gen pop.

[Enzedder]

Excellent

[Enzedder]

I wonder if we can arrange for him to have a cell next to Bryant in Hobart?

[stemoc]

The only credible outcome. Now to get him put in gen pop.

he'll get shanked on day one which would either kill him or give him his own personal room for the rest of his life..how will that help?

[Auckman]

Amicus Curiae argued for life with the possibility of parole on account of his early guilty plea, his apparent "recalibration of his ideology", and how a sentence of life without parole would be inconsistent with the NZ Bill of Rights.

Glad the judge shot those arguments down. Early guilty plea is the strongest defence argument in mitigation but it's simply outweighed by all the greivous aggravating factors which are probably at the highest end of the spectrum in NZ modern history.

[Guy Smiley]

Good. He’s done.

That’s it then. We walk away and life goes on, hopefully with a greater appreciation for others and their customs while we forget this arsehole and give him no more attention.

Complete anonymity is all he deserves.

[usemame]

Pity it will be so expensive.

[Muttonbird]

New Zealand First believes this terrorist should be returned to the country that raised him. Now is the time for Australia's Minister of Home Affairs, Peter Dutton, to receive and carry out the terrorist's sentence in Australia.

- Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister of NZ

Far out. Winston Peters would not last long as a poster on PR.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... -time.html

[Thommo]

New Zealand First believes this terrorist should be returned to the country that raised him. Now is the time for Australia's Minister of Home Affairs, Peter Dutton, to receive and carry out the terrorist's sentence in Australia.

- Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister of NZ

Far out. Winston Peters would not last long as a poster on PR.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... -time.html

Is he NZ's version of Pauline Hanson?

[Jambanja]

New Zealand First believes this terrorist should be returned to the country that raised him. Now is the time for Australia's Minister of Home Affairs, Peter Dutton, to receive and carry out the terrorist's sentence in Australia.

- Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister of NZ

Far out. Winston Peters would not last long as a poster on PR.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... -time.html

Is he NZ's version of Pauline Hanson?

I'm not sure he is although they probably share a few ideas, what he is doing though, is trying to make as much noise as he possibly can because he's doing terribly in the polls and needs airtime, something he's very adept at doing...he's electioneering

[blackblackblack]

Winston is all about Winston, always has been. He is a longstanding grandstander in the political world here. Origins in senior citizens and anti immigration, grey power loves him. Will be toast at the next election.

[-RB-]

Neither do I, but at the same time, nobody needs to have a Ferrari, plenty of people have them, lots of people want one. If you are able to possess one and can use it safely without harming yourself or others, you should be allowed to. Stupid people do stupid shit in cars all the time. We don't ban cars, we ban the stupid people from using them, which is what should have happened here. He never should have gained a firearms license, he simply didn't meet the criteria as set down in the firearms act, 51 people may still be alive today had police done the job properly.

PS, you couldn't have automatic weapons under the previous firearms act either, you could have semi auto, which is a fine point of argument granted, but as it stands nothing actually needed to change. Thousands of law abiding citizens got fucked over for politically expedient grandstanding. The irony being, I'm not even a shooter and I voted for these clowns last time out.

Jesus Christ the old guns don't kill people, people kill people argument

You may have neglected to take into consideration the fact that Ferraris aren't manufactured for the express purpose of killing people before making fallacious analogies.

As for that Tarrant cunt send him back to Aussie and let them pay for him. They don't seem to have any issue doing it for "kiwis" who were raised in Australia from early childhood.