What's going on in Ukraine?

[petej]

Maybe as a reaction to today's unexpected event, could be a purge in process to find some scapegoats?

[EDIT] well for now it could just be fake news, or something minor blown up out of proportion

Makes me think of this https://snyder.substack.com/p/how-does- ... ainian-war Timothy Snyder article on the end of the war being an internal power struggle in Russia rather than a nuclear attack.

EDIT: like the attacks on the Russian Air bases in Crimea this shows that the bridge like Crimea is something Ukraine can now attack.

[Guy Smiley]

[Enzedder]

Happy Birthday ya soulless miserable git

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[TB63]

[tabascoboy]

Long queues of traffic trying to leave Crimea, and only one track on the rail bridge passable while they try to remove the burned-out wagons

[tabascoboy]

[Uncle fester]

Putin is a funny guy.
BBC News - Putin accuses Ukraine of Crimea bridge 'terrorism'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63195504

[Calculon]

Probably atacms or hrim2's. Same as was used on the Saky airbase.

It doesn't sound like it & the blast was just too big for any missile the Ukranians have.

The Beeb has an expert that reckons it was a SF operation, with placed charges, but even that is hard to believe, as you'd still need a shitload of explosives, & plenty of time to place them ?

One explosives expert told the BBC the fire was probably not caused by a missile.

"The lack of obvious blast / fragmentation damage on the road surface suggests that an air-delivered weapon was not used," he said.

He said it was possible that "a well-planned attack from below may have been the cause".

"I suspect explosives on the road bridge and train deck were initiated near simultaneously using coded radio command," he added.

Nah, looks like it was a single atacm that did it. Maybe the explosion was the fuel train which was a fortunate coincidence. I'm the opposite of a military expert but I wonder it this wasn't a kind of test by the Ukrainians to see what the effect on the bridge would be and what Russia's reaction would be, before they fire of a few more and finish the job.

[fishfoodie]

Probably atacms or hrim2's. Same as was used on the Saky airbase.

It doesn't sound like it & the blast was just too big for any missile the Ukranians have.

The Beeb has an expert that reckons it was a SF operation, with placed charges, but even that is hard to believe, as you'd still need a shitload of explosives, & plenty of time to place them ?

One explosives expert told the BBC the fire was probably not caused by a missile.

"The lack of obvious blast / fragmentation damage on the road surface suggests that an air-delivered weapon was not used," he said.

He said it was possible that "a well-planned attack from below may have been the cause".

"I suspect explosives on the road bridge and train deck were initiated near simultaneously using coded radio command," he added.

Nah, looks like it was a single atacm that did it. Maybe the explosion was the fuel train which was a fortunate coincidence. I'm the opposite of a military expert but I wonder it this wasn't a kind of test by the Ukrainians to see what the effect on the bridge would be and what Russia's reaction would be, before they fire of a few more and finish the job.

ATACM Warheads top out at 560 kg, & there's no way that much damage was caused by that small a warhead

[Calculon]

I believe atacm warhead is actually only 227kg.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but for me this guy makes sense

[laurent]

Russia bombing City centers today.

Really hope there will be a hague tribunal for these murdering cunts. (add the Syrian War crimes and the tally is sky high.

[MungoMan]

Russia bombing City centers today.

Really hope there will be a hague tribunal for these murdering cunts. (add the Syrian War crimes and the tally is sky high.

Yes, the Kyiv strikes are being attested in multiple media outlets unlike the earlier reports of arrests / Rosgardia actions in Moscow.

[Kiwias]

Reports of blackouts in Kharkiv and Lviv.

[tabascoboy]

[Slick]

Can't help feeling that's a suicidal move from Lukashenko. The populace seem ready to rise and the army are not that keen on getting killed.

[PornDog]

Probably just a feint to try and get Ukraine to move resources around

[laurent]

Probably just a feint to try and get Ukraine to move resources around

They were doing training exercise there recently so they likely use this border area to train refit tired units .

[Flockwitt]

And regardless Ukraine can't ignore the threat. They have to keep soldiers along the border and protecting Kyiv. Plum.

[laurent]

And regardless Ukraine can't ignore the threat. They have to keep soldiers along the border and protecting Kyiv. Plum.

Well the bloke had no qualms getting his army/militia murder/ torture opponents after he "won" the last elections. Also has a record of aerial piracy to imprison journalists.

Apparently is now shipping T72A to Russia. (kind of gifting them to Ukraine in a roundabout way.)

[Niegs]

I read something recently suggesting, in a given hot spot, Ukraine regularly rotated troops out of action to give them rest.

I suppose it's likely that the 'rear' locations, like around Kyiv, are often manned by soldiers who've had a LOT of experience, maybe even with their own equipment? Belorussia's 'Bridge Too Far' being stepping across the border, finding not 'old men on bicycles' but battle-hardened vets ready to kick some tail?

[fishfoodie]

I read something recently suggesting, in a given hot spot, Ukraine regularly rotated troops out of action to give them rest.

I suppose it's likely that the 'rear' locations, like around Kyiv, are often manned by soldiers who've had a LOT of experience, maybe even with their own equipment? Belorussia's 'Bridge Too Far' being stepping across the border, finding not 'old men on bicycles' but battle-hardened vets ready to kick some tail?

There's zero appetitie for a fight from both the Belorussian Military, & the civilian population at large; this is just the minimum they can do to make the little dictator happy.

If they ever did get forced into the fight, I suspect the Ukranians would capture a lot of POWs in the first few hours, & take control of most of Belorussia's armor.

[Uncle fester]

I read something recently suggesting, in a given hot spot, Ukraine regularly rotated troops out of action to give them rest.

I suppose it's likely that the 'rear' locations, like around Kyiv, are often manned by soldiers who've had a LOT of experience, maybe even with their own equipment? Belorussia's 'Bridge Too Far' being stepping across the border, finding not 'old men on bicycles' but battle-hardened vets ready to kick some tail?

There's zero appetitie for a fight from both the Belorussian Military, & the civilian population at large; this is just the minimum they can do to make the little dictator happy.

If they ever did get forced into the fight, I suspect the Ukranians would capture a lot of POWs in the first few hours, & take control of most of Belorussia's armor.

This is 100% prep for a false flag operation.

Either "Ukraine" will "attack first" or they'll use a nuke that they don't actually have. Be suspicious if the Belarusian troops are all bunched up to make the false flag nice and easy.

[Enzedder]

Russia bombing City centers today.

Really hope there will be a hague tribunal for these murdering cunts. (add the Syrian War crimes and the tally is sky high.

They would just give a finger to the tribunal anyway. Just continue all sanctions for 50 years so that they do not have the capacity to do much more than fart in future.

[average joe]

Yes, make sure the Russian people don't have a pot to piss in for the next 50 years, like Germany pre-WW2?

[Calculon]

It took two world wars to sort out German nationalism. Let's hope that the problem of Russian nationalism can be fixed when they lose their genocidal war against Ukraine.

[Uncle fester]

It took two world wars to sort out German nationalism. Let's hope that the problem of Russian nationalism can be fixed when they lose their genocidal war against Ukraine.

Very childlike view of WW1.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

It took two world wars to sort out German nationalism. Let's hope that the problem of Russian nationalism can be fixed when they lose their genocidal war against Ukraine.

When your country is a shithole then nationalism us one of the few ways to keep the population under control.

You need to fix the shithole bit first. There's no will to do that

[Paddington Bear]

It took two world wars to sort out German nationalism. Let's hope that the problem of Russian nationalism can be fixed when they lose their genocidal war against Ukraine.

Very childlike view of WW1.

Very hard to say that it wasn't a critical factor in the start of the war and the decision to fight it to a finish

[TB63]

[Calculon]

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake

[petej]

It took two world wars to sort out German nationalism. Let's hope that the problem of Russian nationalism can be fixed when they lose their genocidal war against Ukraine.

Very childlike view of WW1.

Very hard to say that it wasn't a critical factor in the start of the war and the decision to fight it to a finish

Didn't the German government pre Nazis do what was essentially lots of austerity type policies leading to the population becoming very unhappy?

[inactionman]

Very childlike view of WW1.

Very hard to say that it wasn't a critical factor in the start of the war and the decision to fight it to a finish

Didn't the German government pre Nazis do what was essentially lots of austerity type policies leading to the population becoming very unhappy?

Not sure they had much choice, the French in particular wanted to screw them into the ground after most of north eastern France was turned into shellholes. Link that with a global depression and to lingering tropes that the German army had been betrayed by the politicians in WW1 and stir in some Adolf Hitler. To be frank, shades of Donald Trump there - a cynical bastard who exploited a lot of pent-up but misguided frustrations.

[Uncle fester]

Smart move by Ukraine.


Bet Russians won't be interested though.

[MungoMan]

Smart move by Ukraine.


Bet Russians won't be interested though.

Perhaps you are correct.

But at least they'd have a fighting chance of being able to read it...

[Kiwias]

Rumours on one Japanese news site that Zelenskyy had fled the country, though the main media do not seem to be taking it too seriously.

[Guy Smiley]

Smart move by Ukraine.


Bet Russians won't be interested though.

Perhaps you are correct.

But at least they'd have a fighting chance of being able to read it...

[Uncle fester]

Smart move by Ukraine.


Bet Russians won't be interested though.

Perhaps you are correct.

But at least they'd have a fighting chance of being able to read it...

Translate tweet function is pretty good.

[Kiwias]

Rumours on one Japanese news site that Zelenskyy had fled the country, though the main media do not seem to be taking it too seriously.

I hope bot a main stream site as that would be so stupid it would defy belief

It has been ignored by every other news site I have looked at, as is fitting.

[MungoMan]

Rumours on one Japanese news site that Zelenskyy had fled the country, though the main media do not seem to be taking it too seriously.

I hope bot a main stream site as that would be so stupid it would defy belief

It has been ignored by every other news site I have looked at, as is fitting.

Also nowt on Strayan, UK or US news websites that I've seen, or The Straits TImes. Or reddit, for that matter.

[tabascoboy]

Russians again trying to pull a flanker, not thinking how easily the lie is revealed under scrutiny ( just a few of a series of tweets )