NAMA NAMA NAMA

[.OverThere]

Would love some more detail on the hospital admissions. ICU is pretty much at its lowest, which is great. So are the hospital admissions observation/precautionary? We've had a fair few over the last week or two but no lengthy stays.

I imagine it is precautionary when patients develop any sort of chest problem.

Cam, do you remember the good old days. They used to shove everyone into hospital. They used to then piss around for a week before deciding that person is sick because of covid. So different now.

[Munster man!!!!!]

I hope the fuck this governament sort out their shit, mainly start pulling the same way and grow a fucking pair of balls.

[dob]

Ok, I'll buy dangling a bit of action isn't new but there's way more substance/interesting dialogue in the older movies. I guess it's primarily down to it being easier to film realistic action scenes for the most part.

Wrong login, Duff.

[HGMTSP]

Woulf toast.

Cowan, Enda & Springer took one look at the arrangements re dinner & buggered off.

Several more non Pol heads to roll.

[Duff Paddy]

I hope the fuck this governament sort out their shit, mainly start pulling the same way and grow a fucking pair of balls.

I’d like to win the lotto this weekend too

[Duff Paddy]

Woulf toast.

Cowan, Enda & Springer took one look at the arrangements re dinner & buggered off.

Several more non Pol heads to roll.

I reckon he’ll dig in. The judiciary aren’t responsible to the public or the media in this country. Two big scalps already gone and but the mob is insatiable. A proper witch hunt. In the future we’ll just see them do a Cummings because it’s obvious the mob will never he happy.

[Duff Paddy]

You can legitimately give out about our "direct provision" system for refugees, but at least it means we don't end up with cases like this :

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-gl ... t-53904251

That’s frankly sick. The Tory boys have a lot to answer for. Food banks in a country as wealthy as the UK is shameful.

[EnergiseR]

Spent 20 minutes last night deleting IT, NYT, etc etc apps and all the news pages from Facebook. Will just use that for messages from distant friends. See how it goes but I am done with the IT trolling me and the fringes on facebag ranting about their shitty lives

[ticketlessinseattle]

lads it sucks that we lost the EU Trade Commissioner Post but Hogan is the one that shot himself in the foot, reloaded and shot the other one ; if he had got out in front of the story earlier, did a complete mea culpa, not blamed the hotel, confessed to everything I think he would have made it. Plenty on here including myself laughed our arses off at Dominic Cummings and Boris and the attitude of the people in power vs the general public - I'm not a fan but Darragh Calleary seemed to have understood what he did and realised that's its unacceptable to tell the public one thing and do the complete opposite ; I don't know if many on here have lost their jobs or businesses due to the pandemic- if you're one of these people, someone who has lost an old fella, mother and can't attend their funeral then what kind of reaction do you expect ? plenty of people out there be they in jail, fired etc can say they only made a mistake ; sometimes you can get away with it, sometimes you cant.

and to be clear, I wish Hogan had been able to manage the narrative better and retained the post and Sinn Fein have no moral high ground on this one. Time to move on....to the next foot shooting event

[EnergiseR]

Bullshit. It's about proportionality. You don't lose that position at this moment because of somebody flootering around the place.

[ticketlessinseattle]

Bullshit. It's about proportionality. You don't lose that position at this moment because of somebody flootering around the place.

agreed, he's some fcukin ejit

[The sun god]

Is it no wonder the fucking Brits shit on us for 800 years. Our leaders are spineless, mob appeasing wimps.
I wonder who the lesbian shinner types will blame when the economy goes tits up after we get a Royal Fcuking post transition.

[ticketlessinseattle]

that crazy man Cormac Lucey had an interesting article about a UK government study about QALYs (quality adjusted life years) gained in the UK by implementing the lockdown (530,000 directly and 30,000 due to avoided road deaths) vs lost (41k reduced access to A&E) 73,000 postponement of surgeries....assorted others adding up to 600,000 lost ; basically about the same number of lives lost vs gained.

I await a similar discussion on prime time

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... age-48.pdf

[Duff Paddy]

that crazy man Cormac Lucey had an interesting article about a UK government study about QALYs (quality adjusted life years) gained in the UK by implementing the lockdown (530,000 directly and 30,000 due to avoided road deaths) vs lost (41k reduced access to A&E) 73,000 postponement of surgeries....assorted others adding up to 600,000 lost ; basically about the same number of lives lost vs gained.

I await a similar discussion on prime time

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... age-48.pdf

From an economic point of view I see how locking down a young population to protect the over 80’s doesn’t make much sense

[CM11]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/out ... 82114.html

I presume this worker has already been fired and awaits public execution (which seems proportional to what's happened with Hogan and Co.)

Or will they garner sympathy for being pressurised into working due to being low paid? Hmmmmm.

[HighKingLeinster]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/out ... 82114.html

I presume this worker has already been fired and awaits public execution (which seems proportional to what's happened with Hogan and Co.)

Or will they garner sympathy for being pressurised into working due to being low paid? Hmmmmm.

Arragh Joe shure it wasnt her fault. the fatcats wouldnt pay her any sick leave and shure she had no choice but to do a bih of graft. We're penalisin hard workers so that fat prick Hogan can galivant around the country

[Duff Paddy]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/out ... 82114.html

I presume this worker has already been fired and awaits public execution (which seems proportional to what's happened with Hogan and Co.)

Or will they garner sympathy for being pressurised into working due to being low paid? Hmmmmm.

Now that is genuinely criminal - knowing you’re infected and going to work amongst the most vulnerable cohort of people in our society. What the hell was she thinking - the guards should be involved there that is beyond negligent that is willfull endangerment

[CM11]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/out ... 82114.html

I presume this worker has already been fired and awaits public execution (which seems proportional to what's happened with Hogan and Co.)

Or will they garner sympathy for being pressurised into working due to being low paid? Hmmmmm.

Now that is genuinely criminal - knowing you’re infected and going to work amongst the most vulnerable cohort of people in our society. What the hell was she thinking - the guards should be involved there that is beyond negligent that is willfull endangerment

Yep. But halfway down the page on the independent site, not being shouted from the rooftops.

[EnergiseR]

The three horsewomen of the apocalypse in the IT won't go after her so she is safe. Bit of online grumbling about her probably being foreign by lads who also vote Shinner will be the height of it. We are through the looking glass and have been for a while. We would have needed a strong leader who went after the media representation of governance but we got Leo and mushy Micheál. I was looking at a review of the new film on Disney + about the gorilla and one of the reviews from Denise read something like 'You have made enough money and should give this channel free to all the homeless kids'. This is where we are and I bet you any money Una and Kitty and all the other gimps agree with the bold Denise

[Duff Paddy]

I’d be a lot happier with political leadership that never went on twitter. I know they think they need to be on social media. They really don’t. They could completely avoid it and it would make fuck all difference to them.

[CM11]

Agreed. Think Leo thought he'd be able to convince enough young people he was down with the kids but it's really doing nothing positive for him.

[Holy Moly]

Lazy journalists seem to gleam commentary and public opinion from Twitter, so maybe some politicians think they need to provide narrative. Unfortunately it's an absolute cesspit of entrails with the shinner bots and their echo chamber completely dominating any political discourse, there's no escaping it.

[HighKingLeinster]

So my sister in law sent her 6 year old back to school today. within an hour the school phoned to say he had a cough and needed to go home (cough is related to an issue from a few months ago and not Covid).

They phoned the doctor who confirmed that it was unlikely to be Covid and he should attend school. however he would not provide a note stating this. they phoned the school and said that the doctor was willing to speak to the principal if they phoned but could/would not provide a note. principal refused to phone and said child would not be allowed back without a doctors note.

Farcical

[Duff Paddy]

So my sister in law sent her 6 year old back to school today. within an hour the school phoned to say he had a cough and needed to go home (cough is related to an issue from a few months ago and not Covid).

They phoned the doctor who confirmed that it was unlikely to be Covid and he should attend school. however he would not provide a note stating this. they phoned the school and said that the doctor was willing to speak to the principal if they phoned but could/would not provide a note. principal refused to phone and said child would not be allowed back without a doctors note.

Farcical

Principal is being a stupid fucker as he knows the GP can’t put it in writing without a covid test.

[lilyw]

So my sister in law sent her 6 year old back to school today. within an hour the school phoned to say he had a cough and needed to go home (cough is related to an issue from a few months ago and not Covid).

They phoned the doctor who confirmed that it was unlikely to be Covid and he should attend school. however he would not provide a note stating this. they phoned the school and said that the doctor was willing to speak to the principal if they phoned but could/would not provide a note. principal refused to phone and said child would not be allowed back without a doctors note.

Farcical

Principal is being a stupid fucker as he knows the GP can’t put it in writing without a covid test.

So why should the principal go out on a limb if the medical professional won't? I'm pretty sure that the insurance company would jump down his throat if he started to do that.

[HighKingLeinster]

So my sister in law sent her 6 year old back to school today. within an hour the school phoned to say he had a cough and needed to go home (cough is related to an issue from a few months ago and not Covid).

They phoned the doctor who confirmed that it was unlikely to be Covid and he should attend school. however he would not provide a note stating this. they phoned the school and said that the doctor was willing to speak to the principal if they phoned but could/would not provide a note. principal refused to phone and said child would not be allowed back without a doctors note.

Farcical

Principal is being a stupid fucker as he knows the GP can’t put it in writing without a covid test.

So why should the principal go out on a limb if the medical professional won't? I'm pretty sure that the insurance company would jump down his throat if he started to do that.

its both of them refusing to use common sense. in fairness in these days of lynchings and litigation i can see why. meanwhile sister in law is left in limbo as the kid doesnt qualify for a test. Smarter kids then him will figure out that a well timed cough in school will get them a free ride home

[Duff Paddy]

So my sister in law sent her 6 year old back to school today. within an hour the school phoned to say he had a cough and needed to go home (cough is related to an issue from a few months ago and not Covid).

They phoned the doctor who confirmed that it was unlikely to be Covid and he should attend school. however he would not provide a note stating this. they phoned the school and said that the doctor was willing to speak to the principal if they phoned but could/would not provide a note. principal refused to phone and said child would not be allowed back without a doctors note.

Farcical

Principal is being a stupid fucker as he knows the GP can’t put it in writing without a covid test.

So why should the principal go out on a limb if the medical professional won't? I'm pretty sure that the insurance company would jump down his throat if he started to do that.

Go out on a limb? Children spend half their life with minor ailments of one form of the other, if you took your definition of going out on a limb they would never be allowed to return to school. The overwhelming probability is that this isn’t covid, and even if it was, the risk of it causing problems for anyone in the school is extremely low.

[Duff Paddy]

What insurance issue is there? Has their insuranxe company changed their terms and conditions? The principal is making a presumptive diagnosis that they aren’t qualified to make. The person who is qualified is saying that it’s unlikely to be Covid. We need some common sense to get the country moving not arse covering.

[.OverThere]

What insurance issue is there? Has their insuranxe company changed their terms and conditions? The principal is making a presumptive diagnosis that they aren’t qualified to make. The person who is qualified is saying that it’s unlikely to be Covid. We need some common sense to get the country moving not arse covering.

The law states that children must be in education by 6
Demand home education from Dept of Ed., as the school is not providing.
They can either accept or deny, but they know they are exposed legally if they deny.
If the letter is properly written then they would probably inform the school to make the arrangements for one on one teaching.

These sorts of arrangements already exist, but it is normally provided to children who are so disruptive in a school, they are suspended/expelled.
Not sure whether it exists for disabled, but there must be something.

[EnergiseR]

Unfortunately very predictable HKL. The next while is going to be a disaster zone and I don't see how it is unpicked. My kids got a video off the principal today for their return and near the end of the 15 mins he started crying he was that overwhelmed. Now granted he is a total wuss but it was all 'You come through Zone 3 if you are in Pods 3,5,9 and Zone 2,3,7 if in Pods 12-15. Zone 1 is closed. Your teacher is in their own group and has tape around their desk. Do not enter the taped area or look at it. When leaving the school flaps your arms and try and not touch the pylons'.
My young fella made a mildly humourous point when he said 'why don't they just call them classes rather than pods'

[lilyw]

What insurance issue is there? Has their insuranxe company changed their terms and conditions? The principal is making a presumptive diagnosis that they aren’t qualified to make. The person who is qualified is saying that it’s unlikely to be Covid. We need some common sense to get the country moving not arse covering.

So the doctor can cover his arse by saying "unlikely" but the principal has to make a definitive decision affecting the health of every other child in the school & his staff. The doctor is paid to make a judgement - let him make one.

[HighKingLeinster]

Unfortunately very predictable HKL. The next while is going to be a disaster zone and I don't see how it is unpicked. My kids got a video off the principal today for their return and near the end of the 15 mins he started crying he was that overwhelmed. Now granted he is a total wuss but it was all 'You come through Zone 3 if you are in Pods 3,5,9 and Zone 2,3,7 if in Pods 12-15. Zone 1 is closed. Your teacher is in their own group and has tape around their desk. Do not enter the taped area or look at it. When leaving the school flaps your arms and try and not touch the pylons'.
My young fella made a mildly humourous point when he said 'why don't they just call them classes rather than pods'

Shame he didnt dress up like a character from planet of the apes and scare them about the forbidden zone (staff room)

[Camroc2]

What insurance issue is there? Has their insuranxe company changed their terms and conditions? The principal is making a presumptive diagnosis that they aren’t qualified to make. The person who is qualified is saying that it’s unlikely to be Covid. We need some common sense to get the country moving not arse covering.

So the doctor can cover his arse by saying "unlikely" but the principal has to make a definitive decision affecting the health of every other child in the school & his staff. The doctor is paid to make a judgement - let him make one.

No.

The doctors opinion is an informed opinion, and he can be held responsible for it even though it is not in writing.

The Teachers opinion is just that - their opinion, and doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

[Camroc2]

93 cases, no deaths

[EnergiseR]

He did a continuous 15 minute shoot like the 1917 film. He must have spent the last 5 months choreographing it. He would turn with alacrity and stare at the camera as walking down the corridor and say 'And DON'T touch there'. There would be a random window ledge. He must have said five times some.thing like 'And nobody is allowed in the toilets on a Tuesday but you won't need to worry about that' or 'Each bubble has 6 pods to the dozen but that's something your teacher can worry about'. The whole yards has been permanently destroyed as they have marked out separate play areas. All the previous hop scotch and play areas are painted over. It's sad and not even a few dead kids to show for it

[Leinsterman]

He sounds a prat. Could they not have used the first day or two back in the school to brief the kids and get them up to speed?
That's what they're doing just up the road.

[Duff Paddy]

93 cases, no deaths

Getting ridiculous now

[Duff Paddy]

What insurance issue is there? Has their insuranxe company changed their terms and conditions? The principal is making a presumptive diagnosis that they aren’t qualified to make. The person who is qualified is saying that it’s unlikely to be Covid. We need some common sense to get the country moving not arse covering.

So the doctor can cover his arse by saying "unlikely" but the principal has to make a definitive decision affecting the health of every other child in the school & his staff. The doctor is paid to make a judgement - let him make one.

That’s not arse covering. That’s using his clinical experience to give an informed opinion. It’s not black and white, even a covid test is not 100% accurate. Making a child who is unlikely to have Covid undergo a test just to satisfy the over cautious approach of the principal is clearly an unreasonable position as if it became commonplace in all our schools then our schools system would see huge levels of unsustainable absenteeism. I don’t think the principal has the right to exclude this student, or the right to force the student to undergo a covid test when the child’s GP doesn’t feel it is merited.

[HighKingLeinster]

Yeah our little one was slightly under the weather last week. Creche took her and just asked us to phone her GP. GP said she was grand and creche were happy enough.

Common sense prevailed

[EnergiseR]

He sounds a prat. Could they not have used the first day or two back in the school to brief the kids and get them up to speed?
That's what they're doing just up the road.

He's alright really. Just misjudged this but tbf to him I guarantee he would have been hammered by the PA if he didn't do the video