Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Paddington Bear]

I'm curious about this. Do you have any examples in mind? Both leaders clearly had a strong sense of duty, and Labour certainly did plenty to try and improve things for the whole of British society rather than just the rich, but I won't pretend I remember specifics of whether cabinet members were just there for themselves and to seek & maintain power above all else.

(This isn't a gotcha post!)

Yes I was referencing their governments and entourage more than them on a personal level. As a non-exhaustive/non-researched list, the whole government becoming secondary to a Blair/Brown psychodrama, things like the introduction of Alastair Campbell and the rise of the SPAD into the actual machinery of government, sending regiments to Iraq without protective equipment and a general sense of short termism (the roots of our energy predicament go back to this time, constitutional reform from the back of a fag packet, spin spin spin etc) would be my starting points.

Things have got worse, massively so, under Boris and Truss, but I would say the Thick of It is and was so funny because it was a very accurate parody of the attitudes of the Labour Government at the time. For large parts of the cabinet and wider government nothing was important bar publicity and tomorrow's headlines.

Worth reminding you that Blair/Brown did restart nuclear discussion and programs from it's slumber and did a lot on renewables and insulation (go look at the collapse of that under call me dave) and the roots of our predicament pre date them (look at what Sweden has done in heating instead of gas).

Nuclear was my reference really, insulation is unarguable. I think this chart demonstrates it pretty well:



Nuclear was hard and life seemed easy, so we didn't do it. Like with so many of our fuck ups as a nation, with more State grasp other worlds were possible...

[Tichtheid]

Yes I was referencing their governments and entourage more than them on a personal level. As a non-exhaustive/non-researched list, the whole government becoming secondary to a Blair/Brown psychodrama, things like the introduction of Alastair Campbell and the rise of the SPAD into the actual machinery of government, sending regiments to Iraq without protective equipment and a general sense of short termism (the roots of our energy predicament go back to this time, constitutional reform from the back of a fag packet, spin spin spin etc) would be my starting points.

Things have got worse, massively so, under Boris and Truss, but I would say the Thick of It is and was so funny because it was a very accurate parody of the attitudes of the Labour Government at the time. For large parts of the cabinet and wider government nothing was important bar publicity and tomorrow's headlines.

Got it - also people like Mandelson I guess, where personalities making names for themselves became a thing.

There was also the Labour spin doctor who suggested 9/11 was ‘a good day to bury bad news’.

I think a big difference between then and now is

The email was to make history. It led, in time, to her resignation as special adviser, to the resignation of my successor as communications director, to Byers’s resignation as secretary of state and to the abolition of the department. It also provided one of the most memorable quotations ever from a Whitehall permanent secretary.


https://archive.ph/DobyN#selection-1065.54-1065.385

[tc27]

statement from No 10 at 1:30

This is it I guess.

No idea what happens now - another 10 week leadership election is beyond the pale.

[The sun god]

I hope Liz Tells him to fuck off and refuses to resign.

She really should for the lols. Every day clung to is one fewer shortest ever PM day she has.

Nah....She's gone.

[SaintK]

Therese Coffey and Tory Party chairman Jake Berry in Downing Street with Dizzy Lizzie and Graham Brady.

Coffey to be caretaker PM while the Tories work out who they want to appoint?

Just about the worst of the lot

[tc27]

I hope Liz Tells him to fuck off and refuses to resign.

She really should for the lols. Every day clung to is one fewer shortest ever PM day she has.

Nah....She's gone.

Never underestimate stupid.

[I like neeps]

I hope Liz Tells him to fuck off and refuses to resign.

She really should for the lols. Every day clung to is one fewer shortest ever PM day she has.

Nah....She's gone.

Hopefully she sets out an extremely long timetable to beat the shortest ever PM mark and allow the rats in the sack factionalism split the party for good.

[I like neeps]

Therese Coffey and Tory Party chairman Jake Berry in Downing Street with Dizzy Lizzie and Graham Brady.

Coffey to be caretaker PM while the Tories work out who they want to appoint?

Just about the worst of the lot

We'd at least have access to medical grade painkillers without subscriptions though.

[The sun god]

The Pound is bouncing already !!!!!!

[Lobby]

Got it - also people like Mandelson I guess, where personalities making names for themselves became a thing.

There was also the Labour spin doctor who suggested 9/11 was ‘a good day to bury bad news’.

I think a big difference between then and now is

The email was to make history. It led, in time, to her resignation as special adviser, to the resignation of my successor as communications director, to Byers’s resignation as secretary of state and to the abolition of the department. It also provided one of the most memorable quotations ever from a Whitehall permanent secretary.


https://archive.ph/DobyN#selection-1065.54-1065.385

I agree that the current lot of charlattans and crooks are far worse than anything New Labour gave us, but Paddington’s point was that there has been a steady deterioration in political behaviour and commitment to the Country’s good. I think this was definitely a step on that journey.

[SaintK]

So the lettuce wins

BREAKING: Downing Street sources tell me that Liz Truss *will* be resigning. One says: "It's over".

[Insane_Homer]

So the lettuce wins

BREAKING: Downing Street sources tell me that Liz Truss *will* be resigning. One says: "It's over".

twat, beat me by seconds!

[ASMO]

Ding dong the witch is gone

[TB63]

The fucking lettuce lasted longer!..

[The sun god]

You couldn't make this shit up.
Tell you what my British friends, don't ever take the piss out of the Italians again...!!

[JM2K6]

Yes I was referencing their governments and entourage more than them on a personal level. As a non-exhaustive/non-researched list, the whole government becoming secondary to a Blair/Brown psychodrama, things like the introduction of Alastair Campbell and the rise of the SPAD into the actual machinery of government, sending regiments to Iraq without protective equipment and a general sense of short termism (the roots of our energy predicament go back to this time, constitutional reform from the back of a fag packet, spin spin spin etc) would be my starting points.

Things have got worse, massively so, under Boris and Truss, but I would say the Thick of It is and was so funny because it was a very accurate parody of the attitudes of the Labour Government at the time. For large parts of the cabinet and wider government nothing was important bar publicity and tomorrow's headlines.

Worth reminding you that Blair/Brown did restart nuclear discussion and programs from it's slumber and did a lot on renewables and insulation (go look at the collapse of that under call me dave) and the roots of our predicament pre date them (look at what Sweden has done in heating instead of gas).

Nuclear was my reference really, insulation is unarguable. I think this chart demonstrates it pretty well:



Nuclear was hard and life seemed easy, so we didn't do it. Like with so many of our fuck ups as a nation, with more State grasp other worlds were possible...

It's not that Labour didn't try...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nvironment

https://powerbase.info/index.php/Tony_B ... lear_views

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8349715.stm

That last one was stymied by the Tories though

[C69]

Cunts

[S/Lt_Phillips]

Leadership election in a week? Carnage

[JM2K6]

There was also the Labour spin doctor who suggested 9/11 was ‘a good day to bury bad news’.

I think a big difference between then and now is

The email was to make history. It led, in time, to her resignation as special adviser, to the resignation of my successor as communications director, to Byers’s resignation as secretary of state and to the abolition of the department. It also provided one of the most memorable quotations ever from a Whitehall permanent secretary.


https://archive.ph/DobyN#selection-1065.54-1065.385

I agree that the current lot of charlattans and crooks are far worse than anything New Labour gave us, but Paddington’s point was that there has been a steady deterioration in political behaviour and commitment to the Country’s good. I think this was definitely a step on that journey.

I accept what Paddington's saying but to me the obvious turning point is the emergence of Farage, UKIP, and the Brexit referendum with associated dark money backers and the ERG.

[C69]

The fuckers should just call an election for the sake of the Country.
Yes I am naive and hoped these cunts would do what is right for the country not the Tory Party.

[SaintK]

The Tory party should never, ever let their membership vote for the party leader again

[tc27]

The fuckers should just call an election for the sake of the Country.
Yes I am naive and hoped these cunts would do what is right for the country not the Tory Party.

Labour will prefer an election in 24 months - let the Tories take the hits that are coming on the economy.

[I like neeps]

The Tory party should never, ever let their membership vote for the party leader again

The MPs aren't putting anyone sensible in anytime soon. And they can't install someone so rejected by the members either - that'll be carnage and I imagine legally challenged.

It'll be Boris Johnson or Suella Braverman I bet.

[Hal Jordan]

You couldn't make this shit up.
Tell you what my British friends, don't ever take the piss out of the Italians again...!!

At least the Italians chuck out their dysfunctional governments.

This lot are going nowhere until the NHS is privatised, that's the reason to cling on.

[Insane_Homer]

The Tory party should never, ever again

fixed

[JM2K6]

The fuckers should just call an election for the sake of the Country.
Yes I am naive and hoped these cunts would do what is right for the country not the Tory Party.

Labour will prefer an election in 24 months - let the Tories take the hits that are coming on the economy.

Given that an election now would likely see the Tories annihilated, what possible benefit is to Labour to have an election in 24 months for the same result at best and being left with an even bigger financial disaster to work with?

[petej]

Yes I was referencing their governments and entourage more than them on a personal level. As a non-exhaustive/non-researched list, the whole government becoming secondary to a Blair/Brown psychodrama, things like the introduction of Alastair Campbell and the rise of the SPAD into the actual machinery of government, sending regiments to Iraq without protective equipment and a general sense of short termism (the roots of our energy predicament go back to this time, constitutional reform from the back of a fag packet, spin spin spin etc) would be my starting points.

Things have got worse, massively so, under Boris and Truss, but I would say the Thick of It is and was so funny because it was a very accurate parody of the attitudes of the Labour Government at the time. For large parts of the cabinet and wider government nothing was important bar publicity and tomorrow's headlines.

Worth reminding you that Blair/Brown did restart nuclear discussion and programs from it's slumber and did a lot on renewables and insulation (go look at the collapse of that under call me dave) and the roots of our predicament pre date them (look at what Sweden has done in heating instead of gas).

Nuclear was my reference really, insulation is unarguable. I think this chart demonstrates it pretty well:



Nuclear was hard and life seemed easy, so we didn't do it. Like with so many of our fuck ups as a nation, with more State grasp other worlds were possible...

Indeed.

The last uk design plant was completed about 1988. sizewell b was completed in 1995. Hinckley c started construction in 2017 after at least 5 years of bickering with edf. A lot of effort required to develop the skill sets in your population after such a long gap.

One of the professors I worked for took the lab equipment from uk Nuclear labs with him as they didn't want him or it after privatisation. He got a lot of work from edf when I was working for him.

[Margin__Walker]

The fuckers should just call an election for the sake of the Country.
Yes I am naive and hoped these cunts would do what is right for the country not the Tory Party.

Labour will prefer an election in 24 months - let the Tories take the hits that are coming on the economy.

Given that an election now would likely see the Tories annihilated, what possible benefit is to Labour to have an election in 24 months for the same result at best and being left with an even bigger financial disaster to work with?

Yep, they would bite your hand off at an election now surely. Would result in a massive majority and leave this as the lasting impression of Tory government for a generation.

[Insane_Homer]

[I like neeps]

Labour will prefer an election in 24 months - let the Tories take the hits that are coming on the economy.

Given that an election now would likely see the Tories annihilated, what possible benefit is to Labour to have an election in 24 months for the same result at best and being left with an even bigger financial disaster to work with?

Yep, they would bite your hand off at an election now surely. Would result in a massive majority and leave this as the lasting impression of Tory government for a generation.

Don't really agree with this. People's impressions of the first year of a labour govt will be increasing prices for everything and unaffordable mortgages.

People care more about money than political dysfunction.

[tc27]

The fuckers should just call an election for the sake of the Country.
Yes I am naive and hoped these cunts would do what is right for the country not the Tory Party.

Labour will prefer an election in 24 months - let the Tories take the hits that are coming on the economy.

Given that an election now would likely see the Tories annihilated, what possible benefit is to Labour to have an election in 24 months for the same result at best and being left with an even bigger financial disaster to work with?

Because the strength of the Dollar, inflation and global fuel costs will make the next few months awful and there's very little a new government could do about it. Why waste the first two years owning this?

The new Tory Government will have to be wary of the markets so will have very little headroom to make itself popular again...as Hunt suggested spending cuts may well be necessary.

Arguably in 24 months the situation on all fronts will be better.

Labour came in just as the economy recovered from the mid 90s nadir in 97 and benefited enormously from it.

[Margin__Walker]

Given that an election now would likely see the Tories annihilated, what possible benefit is to Labour to have an election in 24 months for the same result at best and being left with an even bigger financial disaster to work with?

Yep, they would bite your hand off at an election now surely. Would result in a massive majority and leave this as the lasting impression of Tory government for a generation.

Don't really agree with this. People's impressions of the first year of a labour govt will be increasing prices for everything and unaffordable mortgages.

People care more about money than political dysfunction.

I'd be confident that they could frame it as the mess that the Tories left for them. Just as the Tories did when Cameron became PM post financial crash to a lesser extent.

[The sun god]

So....Penny or Sajid are my two guess to follow Liz into the shitshow. I doubt she had time to redecorate so all is good there.
I just got 9/2 on Penny and an outside 33's on Banker boy.

[tc27]

So....Penny or Sajid are my two guess to follow Liz into the shitshow. I doubt she had time to redecorate so all is good there.
I just got 9/2 on Penny and an outside 33's on Banker boy.

Rishi had the most support amongst MPs last time and completely vindicated in fiscal terms - got to be the favourite.

[The sun god]

So....Penny or Sajid are my two guess to follow Liz into the shitshow. I doubt she had time to redecorate so all is good there.
I just got 9/2 on Penny and an outside 33's on Banker boy.

Rishi had the most support amongst MPs last time and completely vindicated in fiscal terms - got to be the favourite.

Yeah, he is 4/6 but you never get rich or have fun backing favorites.

I wonder does he actually want it at this stage. Not a good look being the PM that gets your party wiped in a GE.

[I like neeps]

Yep, they would bite your hand off at an election now surely. Would result in a massive majority and leave this as the lasting impression of Tory government for a generation.

Don't really agree with this. People's impressions of the first year of a labour govt will be increasing prices for everything and unaffordable mortgages.

People care more about money than political dysfunction.

I'd be confident that they could frame it as the mess that the Tories left for them. Just as the Tories did when Cameron became PM post financial crash to a lesser extent.

Without the press on their side? I doubt it.

[Biffer]

Given that an election now would likely see the Tories annihilated, what possible benefit is to Labour to have an election in 24 months for the same result at best and being left with an even bigger financial disaster to work with?

Yep, they would bite your hand off at an election now surely. Would result in a massive majority and leave this as the lasting impression of Tory government for a generation.

Don't really agree with this. People's impressions of the first year of a labour govt will be increasing prices for everything and unaffordable mortgages.

People care more about money than political dysfunction.

A GE will take a few months. Realistically February. By which time most of the shit will have hit the fan.

[sturginho]

on a human level............... HA HA!

[Lobby]

So....Penny or Sajid are my two guess to follow Liz into the shitshow. I doubt she had time to redecorate so all is good there.
I just got 9/2 on Penny and an outside 33's on Banker boy.

Rishi had the most support amongst MPs last time and completely vindicated in fiscal terms - got to be the favourite.

Tories will want someone who can at least pretend to be a ‘unifying’ candidate. Sunak’s opposition to Truss and the ERG means he can’t be that candidate, even if he my be the most qualified. It’ll be Mordaunt, or someone else untainted by the current disputes within the party.

[sturginho]

I'm a fighter not a quitter she said, 24 hours before quitting