So, coronavirus...

[Marylandolorian]

Just in case folk forgot about covid fall out during the political shitshow. Looks like deaths in England and Wales are up 7% compared to pre pandemic levels, adjusted for age and population growth it is still above pre pandemic levels. No one is entirely sure how much of this is down to covid and how much is due to a struggling NHS and/or cost of living crisis but similar pattern is being seen across Europe so more likely covid related?

Same in my state, with about the same population than Scotland, averaging 50 Covid deaths/week for the last 4 months, also a lot of more health problems lately , heart, lungs, neurological (and mental health as seen above)

[Tichtheid]

Roll out for over 50s has started here - I've got my booster booked for a couple of weeks' time

[Grandpa]

Roll out for over 50s has started here - I've got my booster booked for a couple of weeks' time

Had my booster. First time with Pfizer and first time no side effects... Astra and Moderna knocked me about...

[Tichtheid]

Roll out for over 50s has started here - I've got my booster booked for a couple of weeks' time

Had my booster. First time with Pfizer and first time no side effects... Astra and Moderna knocked me about...

I'm open to correction, but I think we are getting a dual-variant Moderna vaccine. My mother had it a month or so ago and it knocked her for six for a couple of days, she had no big response to the previous vaccinations.

[Grandpa]

Roll out for over 50s has started here - I've got my booster booked for a couple of weeks' time

Had my booster. First time with Pfizer and first time no side effects... Astra and Moderna knocked me about...

I'm open to correction, but I think we are getting a dual-variant Moderna vaccine. My mother had it a month or so ago and it knocked her for six for a couple of days, she had no big response to the previous vaccinations.

Astra was worst for me. Couldn't get out of bed for 24 hours. Moderna I just felt really rough. But again only for 24 hours...

[tabascoboy]

Seasonal booster booked for next week, now they set up a temporary site for four weeks within walking distance

[dpedin]

Seasonal booster booked for next week, now they set up a temporary site for four weeks within walking distance

Remember guys if you want you can go onto your NHS Board website in Scotland and change/bring forward date if you want and if something is available. There are usually a few cancellations or new slots available but you need to look a bit. Mine wasn't due until end of November but managed to find a cancelation at site close to me the following day 2-3 weeks ago. Got Moderna and flu jab and no reaction to either.

[Ymx]

Seasonal booster booked for next week, now they set up a temporary site for four weeks within walking distance

Remember guys if you want you can go onto your NHS Board website in Scotland and change/bring forward date if you want and if something is available. There are usually a few cancellations or new slots available but you need to look a bit. Mine wasn't due until end of November but managed to find a cancelation at site close to me the following day 2-3 weeks ago. Got Moderna and flu jab and no reaction to either.

Do you get paid per injection others get?

[dpedin]

Seasonal booster booked for next week, now they set up a temporary site for four weeks within walking distance

Remember guys if you want you can go onto your NHS Board website in Scotland and change/bring forward date if you want and if something is available. There are usually a few cancellations or new slots available but you need to look a bit. Mine wasn't due until end of November but managed to find a cancelation at site close to me the following day 2-3 weeks ago. Got Moderna and flu jab and no reaction to either.

Do you get paid per injection others get?

Sniffing glue again?

[Ymx]

You still wear a mask and only stick to well ventilated places don’t you?

[fishfoodie]

Remember guys if you want you can go onto your NHS Board website in Scotland and change/bring forward date if you want and if something is available. There are usually a few cancellations or new slots available but you need to look a bit. Mine wasn't due until end of November but managed to find a cancelation at site close to me the following day 2-3 weeks ago. Got Moderna and flu jab and no reaction to either.

Do you get paid per injection others get?

Sniffing glue again?

I knew you could get the flu vaccination as a nasal spray, I didn't know it came as essence de Evo

[dpedin]

Do you get paid per injection others get?

Sniffing glue again?

I knew you could get the flu vaccination as a nasal spray, I didn't know it came as essence de Evo

Bostik is best!

[Biffer]

More than 200 million in China affected by some kind of lockdown atm. Regions producing a quarter of their GDP.

China is fucked. Poor vaccine take up, particularly in the elderly, and a less effective vaccine. If they open up like the West, they could rapidly have 10 million dead. So they're continuing to fuck their economy. Add that to the property development problems and the likelihood of the loans they've made to other countries being defaulted on, they're in for a very difficult to me. Then we'll see how much that middle class is happy with no representation after thirty years of continuous growth.

[dpedin]

Or weakened immunity from lockdowns

While posters here are all at different points on the covid response spectrum. This weakened immunity is incontrovertible. Last autumn and this have been a shit show in my house. Rolling significant illnesses since August and getting worse. Our 3 year old is the hardest hit as he was a bubble boy for the first part of his life. He is currently on the couch with a temp of 39.4 and utterly miserable. While it is annoying I do wonder what this battering he is getting is going to do to him in the long term. We even had a dose of pneumonia in the house for good measure

[petej]

More than 200 million in China affected by some kind of lockdown atm. Regions producing a quarter of their GDP.

China is fucked. Poor vaccine take up, particularly in the elderly, and a less effective vaccine. If they open up like the West, they could rapidly have 10 million dead. So they're continuing to fuck their economy. Add that to the property development problems and the likelihood of the loans they've made to other countries being defaulted on, they're in for a very difficult to me. Then we'll see how much that middle class is happy with no representation after thirty years of continuous growth.

That is insane at this point but I don't think the Chinese have much choice. They spend more on internal security than defense.

[fishfoodie]

More than 200 million in China affected by some kind of lockdown atm. Regions producing a quarter of their GDP.

China is fucked. Poor vaccine take up, particularly in the elderly, and a less effective vaccine. If they open up like the West, they could rapidly have 10 million dead. So they're continuing to fuck their economy. Add that to the property development problems and the likelihood of the loans they've made to other countries being defaulted on, they're in for a very difficult to me. Then we'll see how much that middle class is happy with no representation after thirty years of continuous growth.

That is insane at this point but I don't think the Chinese have much choice. They spend more on internal security than defense.

Helping trigger.a Global recession, by supporting Putins insanity, doesn't look like such a great play either now, does it ?

The West was already looking to reverse outsourcing their supply lines to China after Covid, but rising fuel prices, & a desire to boost their own Economies, is going to have the US, & EU rebuilding critical manufacturing & will gut sections of High-Tech manufacturing in China.

[Biffer]

More than 200 million in China affected by some kind of lockdown atm. Regions producing a quarter of their GDP.

China is fucked. Poor vaccine take up, particularly in the elderly, and a less effective vaccine. If they open up like the West, they could rapidly have 10 million dead. So they're continuing to fuck their economy. Add that to the property development problems and the likelihood of the loans they've made to other countries being defaulted on, they're in for a very difficult to me. Then we'll see how much that middle class is happy with no representation after thirty years of continuous growth.

That is insane at this point but I don't think the Chinese have much choice. They spend more on internal security than defense.

Helping trigger.a Global recession, by supporting Putins insanity, doesn't look like such a great play either now, does it ?

The West was already looking to reverse outsourcing their supply lines to China after Covid, but rising fuel prices, & a desire to boost their own Economies, is going to have the US, & EU rebuilding critical manufacturing & will gut sections of High-Tech manufacturing in China.

And will also reinvigorate their efforts in development in Africa, an area that China has dominated in recent years

If China really wants to start playing the power balance game as part of a multilateral world order, they'll suddenly find out the west has been doing it for sixty years longer and is very, very good at it.

[Calculon]

They started playing the game but their disasterious and isolationist zero COVID policy, coupled with their economic difficulties has caused the CCP to shift their focus inwards. I think they've massively cut back on the belt and road initiative.

[fishfoodie]

They started playing the game but their disasterious and isolationist zero COVID policy, coupled with their economic difficulties has caused the CCP to shift their focus inwards. I think they've massively cut back on the belt and road initiative.

Africa is going to suffer badly while this war continues, & Global food prices increase significantly. I think we're going to see some turmoil there, with Governments falling like nine pins, & them defaulting on loans.

[Biffer]

They started playing the game but their disasterious and isolationist zero COVID policy, coupled with their economic difficulties has caused the CCP to shift their focus inwards. I think they've massively cut back on the belt and road initiative.

Africa is going to suffer badly while this war continues, & Global food prices increase significantly. I think we're going to see some turmoil there, with Governments falling like nine pins, & them defaulting on loans.

DRC is rapidly descending back into full scale war at the moment.

[dpedin]

Enquiry still ongoing! FFS! This aint going to go away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... m-63401221

[Blackmac]

I see the Chinese have locked down Disneyland China and everyone in it. Lunatics.

[tabascoboy]

Had my booster from a "vaccination centre" that is a couple of open-sided tents in a car park - well done to the vaccinating team for coping in wild weather today! Arm is a bit sore after a couple of hours but that seems to be the normal so happy with that if no other side effects show.

[edit] just to add it was the Pfizer Comirnaty vaccine updated for the Omicron variants

[petej]

For some reason I don't understand the local health authority (in wales) thinks I'm vulnerable so have invited me for flu and covid jabs. They evidently think im 69 instead of 39. I was going to pay to get a flu jab.

[Biffer]

For some reason I don't understand the local health authority (in wales) thinks I'm vulnerable so have invited me for flu and covid jabs. They evidently think im 69 instead of 39. I was going to pay to get a flu jab.

Maybe you're dying and they just haven't told you.

[Morton]

For some reason I don't understand the local health authority (in wales) thinks I'm vulnerable so have invited me for flu and covid jabs. They evidently think im 69 instead of 39. I was going to pay to get a flu jab.

Maybe you're dying and they just haven't told you.

That could be true that you are dying and don't know it. I live in Germany and take copies of every blood test and any specialist's reports to my GP. Someone told me back home in Wales you can't do that. Is that true?

[robmatic]

For some reason I don't understand the local health authority (in wales) thinks I'm vulnerable so have invited me for flu and covid jabs. They evidently think im 69 instead of 39. I was going to pay to get a flu jab.

Maybe you're dying and they just haven't told you.

That could be true that you are dying and don't know it. I live in Germany and take copies of every blood test and any specialist's reports to my GP. Someone told me back home in Wales you can't do that. Is that true?

I thought getting to see a GP in the UK was luxury enough.

[dpedin]

Maybe you're dying and they just haven't told you.

That could be true that you are dying and don't know it. I live in Germany and take copies of every blood test and any specialist's reports to my GP. Someone told me back home in Wales you can't do that. Is that true?

I thought getting to see a GP in the UK was luxury enough.

When I go to see my GP all my test results and correspondence from hospital is usually available on line for the GP through the integrated IT systems they have. At one stage after a knee op I was visiting one hospital daily for IV therapy, getting physio in community location, ortho consultant was based a a different hospital and my bloods were reported from a lab in different location again yet my GP had access to all the info via his PC. I was also copied into any correspondence to GP from consultant.I thought this was pretty standard in Scotland and UK. However I appreciate Germany has a different system.

[dpedin]

Or weakened immunity from lockdowns

While posters here are all at different points on the covid response spectrum. This weakened immunity is incontrovertible. Last autumn and this have been a shit show in my house. Rolling significant illnesses since August and getting worse. Our 3 year old is the hardest hit as he was a bubble boy for the first part of his life. He is currently on the couch with a temp of 39.4 and utterly miserable. While it is annoying I do wonder what this battering he is getting is going to do to him in the long term. We even had a dose of pneumonia in the house for good measure

It is fair that as we reduce PH mitigations then we will see an uptick of viruses compared with the last 3 years and some of them like RSV are pretty nasty whenever kids get them. However we are not seeing any significant increase so far this year. The whole idea of weakened immunity at an individual level is however at best debatable and at worst misinformation - see:



Also this is an interesting thread about immunity debt misinformation

https://counterdisinformationproject.su ... ished-2021

[Tichtheid]

Pfizer/BioNTech bivalented up to the Max


Wife got a sticker, I didn't

[petej]

Immunity debt is just bad terminology and over simplification.

[dpedin]

Immunity debt is just bad terminology and over simplification.

It was born out of the hygiene hypothesis?

I agree it is both but at an individual level 'immunity debt' or an individuals 'weakened immunity' is widely discredited. There are many peddling the nonsense that wearing masks and lock downs have 'weakened' individual immunity to a range of other viruses and diseases - this is just plain bad science, as discussed by the immunologist above. The whole immunity debt 'thing' was spread by the usual anti mask, anti vax, anti lock down twats as another feeble way of trying to justify their stance on not taking perfectly normal public health mitigations in a pandemic.

If there is any impact on an individuals physical health from the pandemic then it is most likely to be the result of covid infection or even worse reinfection - https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 022-11-10/

[Ymx]

Yet it’s suddenly gone quiet on the hepatitis, liver inflammation.

Cov 19 completely ruled out, by everything published.

Cause regarded as AAV2, adenovirus attacking children’s immune systems post lock down.

Are you still keeping everything well ventilated and wearing masks? Still in your bunker?

[Ymx]

Anyway, covid is over now. Only a few still get excited about new strains now. “This looks worrying …” rhetoric. It honestly doesn’t!!

Rest of us have just continued living normally.

Some will be wishing for a dangerous variant so they can become relevant again and lobby for everyone hiding away again.

Thread is dead.

[dpedin]

[petej]

Immunity debt is just bad terminology and over simplification.

It was born out of the hygiene hypothesis?

I agree it is both but at an individual level 'immunity debt' or an individuals 'weakened immunity' is widely discredited. There are many peddling the nonsense that wearing masks and lock downs have 'weakened' individual immunity to a range of other viruses and diseases - this is just plain bad science, as discussed by the immunologist above. The whole immunity debt 'thing' was spread by the usual anti mask, anti vax, anti lock down twats as another feeble way of trying to justify their stance on not taking perfectly normal public health mitigations in a pandemic.

If there is any impact on an individuals physical health from the pandemic then it is most likely to be the result of covid infection or even worse reinfection - https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 022-11-10/

Born out of everyone getting the bugs they would have had over the previous couple of years in 6-9 months post restrictions being lifted. Not great for health services particularly those that are already over burdened.

[dpedin]

Immunity debt is just bad terminology and over simplification.

It was born out of the hygiene hypothesis?

I agree it is both but at an individual level 'immunity debt' or an individuals 'weakened immunity' is widely discredited. There are many peddling the nonsense that wearing masks and lock downs have 'weakened' individual immunity to a range of other viruses and diseases - this is just plain bad science, as discussed by the immunologist above. The whole immunity debt 'thing' was spread by the usual anti mask, anti vax, anti lock down twats as another feeble way of trying to justify their stance on not taking perfectly normal public health mitigations in a pandemic.

If there is any impact on an individuals physical health from the pandemic then it is most likely to be the result of covid infection or even worse reinfection - https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 022-11-10/

Born out of everyone getting the bugs they would have had over the previous couple of years in 6-9 months post restrictions being lifted. Not great for health services particularly those that are already over burdened.

It doesn't really work that way though! For example its not like all the various strains of the flu virus sit around in wait for us once the restrictions have been lifted. The current evidence suggests flu levels etc are not much off normal pre pandemic levels - see the current surveillance info at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nati ... -published. However we still have to hit peak flu season so fingers crossed.

Having said that it would appear that the southern hemisphere had a bad flu bug circulating in their winter - H3N2 - and that usually means we will get it this winter. It was around a bit last year as well but because of precautions ie mask wearing, it didn't really take hold. However from what I have heard the current flu vaccine being rolled out in UK will provide pretty good protection against the current virus strain and prevent many getting a bad dose/hospitalisations. Get the jab.

[yermum]

https://www.zmescience.com/other/pieces ... idnt-work/

So all the folk who said that the UK should have followed Sweden were wrong. The UK death rate would have doubled

[Wrinkles]

https://www.zmescience.com/other/pieces ... idnt-work/

So all the folk who said that the UK should have followed Sweden were wrong. The UK death rate would have doubled

So, the UK death rate of 2,855 per million would’ve doubled and the Swedish rate of 2,058 would’ve halved if each country had followed the other’s policies? Something doesn’t add-up.

[fishfoodie]

https://www.zmescience.com/other/pieces ... idnt-work/

So all the folk who said that the UK should have followed Sweden were wrong. The UK death rate would have doubled

So, the UK death rate of 2,855 per million would’ve doubled and the Swedish rate of 2,058 would’ve halved if each country had followed the other’s policies? Something doesn’t add-up.

It's just confusing because the two Countries are different.

As the article says, Sweden is a sparsely populated Country, so it's death rate should be considerably lower than a densely populated Country like the UK. So if Sweden had adopted even the most basic of measures, it could have halved it's death rate.

By the same token; if the UK had not gone into lockdown when infections started to run out of control; the health system in cities would have been overwhelmed, & the death rate would have been terrifying.