Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Tichtheid]

What's everyone's thoughts about the reaction to Cleverly's comments about LGBT issues at the WC. Okay we all feel it shouldn't be there, but it is, and warning people to take sensible precautions in hostile environments is hardly surprising.

Sensible comments but i dislike the pretending as it allows the qatari's and fifa to have their cake and eat it. A bit more honesty would help just say that Qatar is a homophobic and misogynistic society compared to western democracies.

It'd be really useful to know what happens to a British journo/subject if they write something that's pro gay rights whilst covering/watching the football in Qatar. But we don't actually know, still, something that doesn't seem to much bother the FCO and now Cleverly

I imagine they’ll be good as gold to foreign nationals whilst the world is watching, Peter Tatchell was arrested for protesting in Doha the other day, but was let go after a couple of hours.

[I like neeps]

What's everyone's thoughts about the reaction to Cleverly's comments about LGBT issues at the WC. Okay we all feel it shouldn't be there, but it is, and warning people to take sensible precautions in hostile environments is hardly surprising.

Basically it demonstrates the lack of any capability in Cleverley, and is a demonstration of how shit this government is. It would have been very possible to put together a statement that was at the same time massively critical of Qatar for their anti gay laws and warned gay football supporters to be on their guard in Qatar. So you could make a statement that is supportive of their rights and at the same time making them aware they may have to be on their guard. But Cleverly is such a dumb fuck he's not capable of it.

yup.

Considering Cleverly has always missed votes on gay marriage etc I wonder how supportive of gay rights he actually is.

[tabascoboy]

If this isn't true, then it should be, denying the Twitter outrage that soundtrack used is Gary Glitter (Rock and Roll Part 2) but

[SaintK]

If this isn't true, then it should be, denying the Twitter outrage that soundtrack used is Gary Glitter (Rock and Roll Part 2) but

Downing Street has been forced to deny that a slick new video of Rishi Sunak’s first week as prime minister contains music by the convicted paedophile Gary Glitter. The prime minister’s spokesperson said “stock music” was used for the backing track. She added: “I’m not aware of it costing anything additional to the work that we do in communicating for the prime minister.”

[Insane_Homer]

[Ovals]

More pressure being applied re Braverman. Sources claiming she fibbed about informing the Cabinet Secretary prior to being taken to task, and sacked, by Truss. And that she was 'amazed' that Truss thought it was a serious breach that she had to resign for.

[fishfoodie]

More pressure being applied re Braverman. Sources claiming she fibbed about informing the Cabinet Secretary prior to being taken to task, and sacked, by Truss. And that she was 'amazed' that Truss thought it was a serious breach that she had to resign for.

I'd be amazed if this is the first time she forwarded files from her Office email, to her Personal email; which should be sufficient to sack her in a awful lot of workplaces, including mine.

[tabascoboy]

Wonder if this will be validated, it's from the Mail on Sunday so not holding my breath but

Liz Truss’s personal mobile was hacked by agents suspected of working for Vladimir Putin

Security sources have told the Mail On Sunday a year’s worth of private messages were downloaded. They included top Secret conversations with foreign governments about the war in Ukraine, and politically sensitive messages she exchanged with former Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

Allies of Liz Truss said that she was so worried news of the hack could derail her chance of claiming the premiership she ‘had trouble sleeping’, until Boris Johnson imposed a news blackout.

[ASMO]

Wonder if this will be validated, it's from the Mail on Sunday so not holding my breath but

Liz Truss’s personal mobile was hacked by agents suspected of working for Vladimir Putin

Security sources have told the Mail On Sunday a year’s worth of private messages were downloaded. They included top Secret conversations with foreign governments about the war in Ukraine, and politically sensitive messages she exchanged with former Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

Allies of Liz Truss said that she was so worried news of the hack could derail her chance of claiming the premiership she ‘had trouble sleeping’, until Boris Johnson imposed a news blackout.

I am calling absolute bullshit on this unless she was using her personal mobile to send sensitive information. ( and if thats true she should be severely sanctioned.) Ministerial mobiles are locked down tighter than a gnats arse, fully NCSC configured and would be next to impossible to crack.

[tabascoboy]

Wonder if this will be validated, it's from the Mail on Sunday so not holding my breath but

Liz Truss’s personal mobile was hacked by agents suspected of working for Vladimir Putin

Security sources have told the Mail On Sunday a year’s worth of private messages were downloaded. They included top Secret conversations with foreign governments about the war in Ukraine, and politically sensitive messages she exchanged with former Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

Allies of Liz Truss said that she was so worried news of the hack could derail her chance of claiming the premiership she ‘had trouble sleeping’, until Boris Johnson imposed a news blackout.

I am calling absolute bullshit on this unless she was using her personal mobile to send sensitive information. ( and if thats true she should be severely sanctioned.) Ministerial mobiles are locked down tighter than a gnats arse, fully NCSC configured and would be next to impossible to crack.

There's a theory that it's just an attempt by supporters of "Leaky Sue" Braverman to muddy the waters and distract from her security breaches and put a different light on the bust up she had with Truss prior to her resignation.

If it's Tory Party members or execs behind this then it's another illustration of why they are unfit to govern while obsessed with covering up incompetence and in-fighting. Having dumped Truss she's now the ideal scapegoat.

Who knows though what the truth of it is, maybe there's nothing to it

[tabascoboy]

[Insane_Homer]

[tabascoboy]

This shouldn't be allowed to go away

Suella Braverman email could throw fresh doubt over security breach claims

An email sent from Suella Braverman's personal account on the day she had to resign over a security breach could throw fresh doubt over her claims about the speed with which she took action.

The email, seen by the BBC, told the recipient of a highly sensitive message that Ms Braverman had sent in error to "delete and ignore" it.

She has said she reported the mistake "rapidly" to officials.

But the BBC understands it took hours for her to respond.

In her defence, the home secretary said "as soon as I realised my mistake I rapidly reported this on official channels". She said she reported it to the cabinet secretary - the head of the civil service.

But the BBC understands she sent the original email from her personal Gmail account to the wrong person, a member of parliamentary staff, at 7:52 BST on 19 October.

The document was a draft written ministerial statement related to immigration visas containing highly sensitive information about government policy.

At 8:30 the recipient sent her a message saying that it had been sent in error.

At 10:02 a message was then sent from the home secretary's personal Gmail account saying: "Please can you delete the message and ignore".

It is understood the chief whip at the time, Wendy Morton, was told what had happened around half an hour later by the office that had received the message in error. Ms Morton then urgently tried to track down the home secretary to discuss the issue, it is understood.

One source told the BBC there was no evidence that Ms Braverman had raised the incident herself before she was confronted with the mistake later that afternoon, and subsequently had to resign.

But a source close to Ms Braverman said around 12:00, she instructed officials to raise the breach with the cabinet secretary. That is still more than four hours after her original email that broke the rules and two hours after she had asked the recipient to "delete and ignore".

"The home secretary has been clear that once she realised she'd made this error of judgment she proactively reported it on official channels.

"These events need to be seen in the context of a very packed schedule. She recognises she made a mistake, apologised and offered her resignation to the PM," the source said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63444573

[fishfoodie]

Following the usual pattern of the moronic cover-up attempt being a bigger problem than the initial offence, & also it shows that there's no change in attitude between Sunak, & the BB, with the same contempt for the truth, & the public, & the only priority being doing whatever is necessary to secure their own position, & bugger what's best of the Country !

[Insane_Homer]

But, you know, lets the Russias install that new media briefing room

[SaintK]

This shouldn't be allowed to go away

Spoiler

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Suella Braverman email could throw fresh doubt over security breach claims

An email sent from Suella Braverman's personal account on the day she had to resign over a security breach could throw fresh doubt over her claims about the speed with which she took action.

The email, seen by the BBC, told the recipient of a highly sensitive message that Ms Braverman had sent in error to "delete and ignore" it.

She has said she reported the mistake "rapidly" to officials.

But the BBC understands it took hours for her to respond.

In her defence, the home secretary said "as soon as I realised my mistake I rapidly reported this on official channels". She said she reported it to the cabinet secretary - the head of the civil service.

But the BBC understands she sent the original email from her personal Gmail account to the wrong person, a member of parliamentary staff, at 7:52 BST on 19 October.

The document was a draft written ministerial statement related to immigration visas containing highly sensitive information about government policy.

At 8:30 the recipient sent her a message saying that it had been sent in error.

At 10:02 a message was then sent from the home secretary's personal Gmail account saying: "Please can you delete the message and ignore".

It is understood the chief whip at the time, Wendy Morton, was told what had happened around half an hour later by the office that had received the message in error. Ms Morton then urgently tried to track down the home secretary to discuss the issue, it is understood.

One source told the BBC there was no evidence that Ms Braverman had raised the incident herself before she was confronted with the mistake later that afternoon, and subsequently had to resign.

But a source close to Ms Braverman said around 12:00, she instructed officials to raise the breach with the cabinet secretary. That is still more than four hours after her original email that broke the rules and two hours after she had asked the recipient to "delete and ignore".

"The home secretary has been clear that once she realised she'd made this error of judgment she proactively reported it on official channels.

"These events need to be seen in the context of a very packed schedule. She recognises she made a mistake, apologised and offered her resignation to the PM," the source said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63444573

Nor will this I suspect. Especially when Yvette Cooper gets her teeth into it!

Suella Braverman has been accused of failing to act on legal advice that the government was illegally detaining thousands of asylum seekers. The move could cost taxpayers an expensive court action.
The home secretary received advice at least three weeks ago warning that migrants were being detained for unlawfully long periods at the Manston asylum processing centre in Ramsgate, Kent. According to five sources, Braverman, 42, was also told that the legal breach needed to be resolved urgently by rehousing the asylum seekers in alternative accommodation.
Two sources said she was also warned by officials that the Home Office had no chance of defending a legal challenge and the matter could also result in a public inquiry if exposed.

[fishfoodie]

This shouldn't be allowed to go away

Spoiler

Show

Suella Braverman email could throw fresh doubt over security breach claims

An email sent from Suella Braverman's personal account on the day she had to resign over a security breach could throw fresh doubt over her claims about the speed with which she took action.

The email, seen by the BBC, told the recipient of a highly sensitive message that Ms Braverman had sent in error to "delete and ignore" it.

She has said she reported the mistake "rapidly" to officials.

But the BBC understands it took hours for her to respond.

In her defence, the home secretary said "as soon as I realised my mistake I rapidly reported this on official channels". She said she reported it to the cabinet secretary - the head of the civil service.

But the BBC understands she sent the original email from her personal Gmail account to the wrong person, a member of parliamentary staff, at 7:52 BST on 19 October.

The document was a draft written ministerial statement related to immigration visas containing highly sensitive information about government policy.

At 8:30 the recipient sent her a message saying that it had been sent in error.

At 10:02 a message was then sent from the home secretary's personal Gmail account saying: "Please can you delete the message and ignore".

It is understood the chief whip at the time, Wendy Morton, was told what had happened around half an hour later by the office that had received the message in error. Ms Morton then urgently tried to track down the home secretary to discuss the issue, it is understood.

One source told the BBC there was no evidence that Ms Braverman had raised the incident herself before she was confronted with the mistake later that afternoon, and subsequently had to resign.

But a source close to Ms Braverman said around 12:00, she instructed officials to raise the breach with the cabinet secretary. That is still more than four hours after her original email that broke the rules and two hours after she had asked the recipient to "delete and ignore".

"The home secretary has been clear that once she realised she'd made this error of judgment she proactively reported it on official channels.

"These events need to be seen in the context of a very packed schedule. She recognises she made a mistake, apologised and offered her resignation to the PM," the source said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63444573

Nor will this I suspect. Especially when Yvette Cooper gets her teeth into it!

Suella Braverman has been accused of failing to act on legal advice that the government was illegally detaining thousands of asylum seekers. The move could cost taxpayers an expensive court action.
The home secretary received advice at least three weeks ago warning that migrants were being detained for unlawfully long periods at the Manston asylum processing centre in Ramsgate, Kent. According to five sources, Braverman, 42, was also told that the legal breach needed to be resolved urgently by rehousing the asylum seekers in alternative accommodation.
Two sources said she was also warned by officials that the Home Office had no chance of defending a legal challenge and the matter could also result in a public inquiry if exposed.

And every month you give the Rwandans £20 million, & pretend that anyone will ever be sent there.

[Hal Jordan]

Johnson has decided a week in Sharm El Sheik would suit him, and has announced his intention to go to COP27 (presumably on someone else's dollar).

Meanwhile, Sunak had fossil fuel donations for his leadership campaign. Claude Rains.

[tabascoboy]

Emergency services attended the Border Force migrant processing centre in Dover, Kent, after incendiary devices were thrown from a car.

A man drove up to the centre and threw three petrol bombs, one of which did not go off, Reuters reported.

The fire at the centre on The Viaduct was put out at about 11:25 GMT, Kent Fire and Rescue Service said.

Kent Police have not confirmed reports that a man killed himself at a nearby petrol station following the incident.

No doubt he'll defer to Braverman who will say "well if they were in Rwanda as I dream of this wouldn't have happened"

[fishfoodie]

Wonder if this will be validated, it's from the Mail on Sunday so not holding my breath but

Liz Truss’s personal mobile was hacked by agents suspected of working for Vladimir Putin

Security sources have told the Mail On Sunday a year’s worth of private messages were downloaded. They included top Secret conversations with foreign governments about the war in Ukraine, and politically sensitive messages she exchanged with former Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

Allies of Liz Truss said that she was so worried news of the hack could derail her chance of claiming the premiership she ‘had trouble sleeping’, until Boris Johnson imposed a news blackout.

I am calling absolute bullshit on this unless she was using her personal mobile to send sensitive information. ( and if thats true she should be severely sanctioned.) Ministerial mobiles are locked down tighter than a gnats arse, fully NCSC configured and would be next to impossible to crack.

Shouldn't be giving Hostages to Fortune there ASMO !

The Govester was giving a clear opporunity, this morning, to deny the hack ever happened, & instead he deflected & said he was sure Dizzy always acted in accordance with the expert advice; which sounds as good as an admission that the story is essentially correct.

Let's not forget that the FSB will have had particularly good access to Downing street, when the BB was buddy buddy with the son of an FSB Agent, so they had a foot in the door, from the day he became Party Leader !

[ASMO]

News said it was her personal phone, she should be sacked as an MP for that, completely disgraceful if true.

[fishfoodie]

News said it was her personal phone, she should be sacked as an MP for that, completely disgraceful if true.

Perhaps the relucance to sack the other bitch, for using her personal account, is because the practice is endemic in the Tories ??

It'd also explain how easily the FSB got inside their accounts, when a 5 year old could launch phishing attacks on them !

[fishfoodie]

Another Classic GOP move.

There was a brief period where I hoped that Sunak's appointment might mean a return to some kind of sanity; but instead ...... more knuckle draggers get appointed.

Tory MP who backed cutting abortion time limit named minister for women

Labour and women’s rights groups criticise ‘deeply troubling’ appointment of Maria Caulfield

Maria Caulfield, a Tory MP who supported cutting the abortion time limit and voted against buffer zones outside clinics, has been named as minister for women, prompting criticism from charities and women’s rights groups.

Caulfield, the MP for Lewes, was previously an officer of the all-party parliamentary “pro-life” group and voted against legalising abortion in Northern Ireland.

Harriet Wistrich, the director of the Centre for Women’s Justice, said: “We are horrified that a clear opponent of abortion rights has been appointed minister for women.”

“The vast majority of women want the right to choose,” she added. “Her appointment signals a potential restriction on women’s reproductive rights, which in turn is an attack on women’s autonomy and freedom. We hope Maria Caulfield will keep her personal opinions on the issue of abortion to herself.”

In 2018, when Caulfield was the Tory vice-chair for women, she called for a debate on reducing the 24-week time limit for women to receive legal abortions, describing the 1967 Abortion Act as “one of the most liberal abortion laws in the world”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ion-rights

[Insane_Homer]

Peak client "journalism"

[Paddington Bear]

Huge amounts of these IT/leak issues are things that would get you fired from a middle management role in a company of 50 odd people, astonishing they're so blasé about it all

[ASMO]

Huge amounts of these IT/leak issues are things that would get you fired from a middle management role in a company of 50 odd people, astonishing they're so blasé about it all

Tip of the iceberg in HMG, you can trust me on that one!

[sturginho]

Peak client "journalism"

They're really taking the Mick

[tabascoboy]

[dpedin]

Just the 6 times! That's ok then ....

[GogLais]

Huge amounts of these IT/leak issues are things that would get you fired from a middle management role in a company of 50 odd people, astonishing they're so blasé about it all

Trouble is the E in PPE isn’t electronics.

[SaintK]

Sunak's "honesty and integrity" out the window within a week!!

[tabascoboy]

Not sure if this is credible but...

[sturginho]

Not sure if this is credible but...

Tory MPs are always deeply unhappy, perhaps they need to find something else in life that they enjoy doing

[fishfoodie]

Not sure if this is credible but...

Tory MPs are always deeply unhappy, perhaps they need to find something else in life that they enjoy doing

You just can't go out & horsewhip a few servants these days, just because you're feeling a bit bilious

[SaintK]

Another Classic GOP move.

There was a brief period where I hoped that Sunak's appointment might mean a return to some kind of sanity; but instead ...... more knuckle draggers get appointed.

Tory MP who backed cutting abortion time limit named minister for women

Labour and women’s rights groups criticise ‘deeply troubling’ appointment of Maria Caulfield

Maria Caulfield, a Tory MP who supported cutting the abortion time limit and voted against buffer zones outside clinics, has been named as minister for women, prompting criticism from charities and women’s rights groups.

Caulfield, the MP for Lewes, was previously an officer of the all-party parliamentary “pro-life” group and voted against legalising abortion in Northern Ireland.

Harriet Wistrich, the director of the Centre for Women’s Justice, said: “We are horrified that a clear opponent of abortion rights has been appointed minister for women.”

“The vast majority of women want the right to choose,” she added. “Her appointment signals a potential restriction on women’s reproductive rights, which in turn is an attack on women’s autonomy and freedom. We hope Maria Caulfield will keep her personal opinions on the issue of abortion to herself.”

In 2018, when Caulfield was the Tory vice-chair for women, she called for a debate on reducing the 24-week time limit for women to receive legal abortions, describing the 1967 Abortion Act as “one of the most liberal abortion laws in the world”.

Horrible woman!!!


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ion-rights

[I like neeps]

Huge amounts of these IT/leak issues are things that would get you fired from a middle management role in a company of 50 odd people, astonishing they're so blasé about it all

Genuine question is how long MPs would last in a company of 50 odd people. Braverman is hopeless.

[tabascoboy]

Emergency services attended the Border Force migrant processing centre in Dover, Kent, after incendiary devices were thrown from a car.

A man drove up to the centre and threw three petrol bombs, one of which did not go off, Reuters reported.

The fire at the centre on The Viaduct was put out at about 11:25 GMT, Kent Fire and Rescue Service said.

Kent Police have not confirmed reports that a man killed himself at a nearby petrol station following the incident.

No doubt he'll defer to Braverman who will say "well if they were in Rwanda as I dream of this wouldn't have happened"

Reported that the Dover attack suspect is 66 year old pensioner from High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire.

[SaintK]

This twat must be short of money? Dorries had the whip withdrawn when she skipped work to take part

[SaintK]

This twat must be short of money? Dorries had the whip withdrawn when she skipped work to take part

Didn't take long!!!

Former health secretary Matt Hancock has been suspended as a Conservative MP after joining the cast of I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here!
Mr Hancock will swap representing his constituents at Westminster for eating bugs in the jungle.
But Tory party managers have taken a dim view of the West Suffolk MP's decision to take part in a reality TV show while Parliament is sitting.
The Tory chief whip said it was "serious enough" to warrant suspension.

Sources close Mr Hancock said: "Matt doesn't expect to serve in government again, so it's an incredible opportunity for him to engage with the 12 million Brits who tune in every single night.

Roughly translated: I need to earn a bit of cash on the side

[fishfoodie]

This twat must be short of money? Dorries had the whip withdrawn when she skipped work to take part

Didn't take long!!!

Former health secretary Matt Hancock has been suspended as a Conservative MP after joining the cast of I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here!
Mr Hancock will swap representing his constituents at Westminster for eating bugs in the jungle.
But Tory party managers have taken a dim view of the West Suffolk MP's decision to take part in a reality TV show while Parliament is sitting.
The Tory chief whip said it was "serious enough" to warrant suspension.

Sources close Mr Hancock said: "Matt doesn't expect to serve in government again, so it's an incredible opportunity for him to engage with the 12 million Brits who tune in every single night.

Roughly translated: I need to earn a bit of cash on the side

Can his constituents now start a recall petition to force a By-Election ?

I mean, if their MP decides he can just fuck off to Oz, while they're facing multiple crisis, he surely should be replaced.