2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

[OomStruisbaai]

Heineken Cup fixture


https://www.epcrugby.com/champions-cup/ ... d-results/

Challenge Cup
https://www.epcrugby.com/challenge-cup/ ... d-results/

Round 1 starts next week.

[average joe]

Who will the Cheetahs get beaten by first?

[OomStruisbaai]

Friday 9 Dec 20:00 BST - London Irish vs Montpellier at Gtech Stadium, Brentford Capacity: 17,250
Saturday 10 Dec 13:00 BST - Sharks vs Harlequins at Kings Park Stadium, Durban Capacity: 55,000
Saturday 10 Dec 13:00 BST - Racing 92 vs Leinster at Stade Oceane, Le Havre Capacity: 25,178
Saturday 10 Dec 15:15 BST - Clermont vs Stormers at Marcel Michelin, Clermont-Ferrand Cap: 15,000
Saturday 10 Dec 15:15 BST - Gloucester vs Bordeaux Begles at Kingsholm, Gloucester Capacity: 16,115
Saturday 10 Dec 17:30 BST - La Rochelle vs Northampton Saints at Stade Marcel Deflandre, La Rochelle
Saturday 10 Dec 17:30 BST - Bulls vs Lyon at Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria Capacity: 52,000
Saturday 10 Dec 20:00 BST - Castres vs Exeter Chiefs at Stade Pierre-Fabre, Castres Capacity: 9,423
Sunday 11 Dec 13:00 BST - Sale Sharks vs Ulster at AJ Bell Stadium, Salford Capacity: 10,000
Sunday 11 Dec 15:15 BST - Munster Rugby vs Toulouse at Thomond Park, Limerick Capacity: 26,500
Sunday 11 Dec 15:15 BST - Saracens vs Edinburgh at StoneX Stadium, London Capacity 10,500
Sunday 11 Dec 17:30 BST - Ospreys vs Leicester Tigers at Swansea.com Stadium Capacity: 20,000
BST + 2 hr = SAST

[OomStruisbaai]

Who will the Cheetahs get beaten by first?

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Toyota Cheetahs
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Saturday 10 December 2022 14:00 EPCR Challenge Cup Round 1 Pool B Stade du Hameau Ref: Sam Grove-White (Scotland) Assis Ref 1: Hollie Davidson (Scotland) Assis Ref 2: Ru Campbell (Scotland) TMO: Andrew McMenemy (Scotland)

[JM2K6]

Ugh, I'd forgotten this farce of a season included Saffer sides in Europe. What a clusterfuck.

[OomStruisbaai]

Who will the Cheetahs get beaten by first?

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Toyota Cheetahs
Toyota Cheetahs
Saturday 10 December 2022 14:00 EPCR Challenge Cup Round 1 Pool B Stade du Hameau Ref: Sam Grove-White (Scotland) Assis Ref 1: Hollie Davidson (Scotland) Assis Ref 2: Ru Campbell (Scotland) TMO: Andrew McMenemy (Scotland)

Cheetahs squad

Full Cheetahs squad:
Forwards: Rynier Bernardo, Aranos Coetzee, Marne Coetzee, Schalk Ferreira, Marko Janse van Rensburg, Daniel Maartens, Mzamo Majola, Oupa Mohoje, Friedle Olivier, Sibabalo Qoma, Jeandré Rudolph, Victor Sekekete (c), Marnus van der Merwe, Louis van der Westhuizen, Hencus van Wyk, Mzwanele Zito. Backs: David Brits, Robert Ebersohn, Reinhardt Fortuin, Munier Hartzenberg, Cohen Jasper, Daniel Kasende, Rewan Kruger, Tapiwa Mafura, Siya Masuku, Ruan Pienaar, Frans Steyn.

[robmatic]

Ugh, I'd forgotten this farce of a season included Saffer sides in Europe. What a clusterfuck.

Seeing how the Saffer teams get on is the only thing that might make the group stages interesting.

[JM2K6]

Ugh, I'd forgotten this farce of a season included Saffer sides in Europe. What a clusterfuck.

Seeing how the Saffer teams get on is the only thing that might make the group stages interesting.

But who actually gives a shit

[Simian]

Ugh, I'd forgotten this farce of a season included Saffer sides in Europe. What a clusterfuck.

Indeed :(

[OomStruisbaai]

Ugh, I'd forgotten this farce of a season included Saffer sides in Europe. What a clusterfuck.

Seeing how the Saffer teams get on is the only thing that might make the group stages interesting.

So many Saffers playing in the English and French clubs. They'll feel right at home.

[lemonhead]

Who will the Cheetahs get beaten by first?

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Toyota Cheetahs
Toyota Cheetahs
Saturday 10 December 2022 14:00 EPCR Challenge Cup Round 1 Pool B Stade du Hameau Ref: Sam Grove-White (Scotland) Assis Ref 1: Hollie Davidson (Scotland) Assis Ref 2: Ru Campbell (Scotland) TMO: Andrew McMenemy (Scotland)

Wouldn't put your house on it, Pau are firmly lower mid table in T14 and might give the kids a run out.

[OomStruisbaai]

Who will the Cheetahs get beaten by first?

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Toyota Cheetahs
Toyota Cheetahs
Saturday 10 December 2022 14:00 EPCR Challenge Cup Round 1 Pool B Stade du Hameau Ref: Sam Grove-White (Scotland) Assis Ref 1: Hollie Davidson (Scotland) Assis Ref 2: Ru Campbell (Scotland) TMO: Andrew McMenemy (Scotland)

Wouldn't put your house on it, Pau are firmly lower mid table in T14 and might give the kids a run out.

That's what AJ suggested. As long as the Cheetahs play their usual running rugby, they'll be fine. Expect Pienaar and Steyn to lead them well.

[OomStruisbaai]

Ugh, I'd forgotten this farce of a season included Saffer sides in Europe. What a clusterfuck.

Indeed :(

Didn't know the pain from the Springboks cut that deep. It will get better.

[OomStruisbaai]

It can only improve England rugby if they play vs SA teams. Ask the URC countries.

[average joe]

They'll come around eventually oom. The Celts were also very sceptical at first, now most of them think the URC has improved with the SA teams there.

[OomStruisbaai]

They'll come around eventually oom. The Celts were also very sceptical at first, now most of them think the URC has improved with the SA teams there.

I don't know Boet. The English have the upper class Sir , attitude. The French will be happy. More Saffers to poach.

Our franchises don't have Rassies ref bashing videos. BUT rugbywise most have KL Arendse clones like Senatla, Daniel's, Abrahams, Tarzan , Speckman and power scrums with meathead fatties.

[assfly]

I think it'll be important that the stadiums have a good turnout. Heineken Cup games are usually very well attended, so it would be a shame if we only see a trickle of fans turning up.

[OomStruisbaai]

Rugby this time of year is still something new for us.

[assfly]

Rugby this time of year is still something new for us.

It's lekka. Something to look forward to on the weekend.

Unless your a $harks fan

[OomStruisbaai]

Rugby this time of year is still something new for us.

It's lekka. Something to look forward to on the weekend.

Unless your a $harks fan

Ja lots of rugby. Sharks will be fine.

[JM2K6]

Ugh, I'd forgotten this farce of a season included Saffer sides in Europe. What a clusterfuck.

Indeed :(

Didn't know the pain from the Springboks cut that deep. It will get better.

Why on earth would we want south African teams in Europe?

They're not European, the travel is insane, they have no historical reason to be there, their addition is dreadful for player welfare, and their fans are by some distance the worst set of fans in the rugby world.

There is literally no upside.

[OomStruisbaai]

Indeed :(

Didn't know the pain from the Springboks cut that deep. It will get better.

Why on earth would we want south African teams in Europe?

They're not European, the travel is insane, they have no historical reason to be there, their addition is dreadful for player welfare, and their fans are by some distance the worst set of fans in the rugby world.

There is literally no upside.

Yes Sir.

[assfly]

Why on earth would we want south African teams in Europe?

They're not European, the travel is insane, they have no historical reason to be there, their addition is dreadful for player welfare, and their fans are by some distance the worst set of fans in the rugby world.

There is literally no upside.

Shame.

[OomStruisbaai]

Why on earth would we want south African teams in Europe?

They're not European, the travel is insane, they have no historical reason to be there, their addition is dreadful for player welfare, and their fans are by some distance the worst set of fans in the rugby world.

There is literally no upside.

Shame.

Last Saturday you could see the difference The easy way out is to blame the coach.

[JM2K6]

The guy who's spent years talking up England despite us telling him we're shit thanks to Eddie is now pretending to be an expert on English rugby? Colour me surprised. And to think you're one of the better Saffer posters on here! Even Os seems to lose his mind when it comes to rugby.

[sockwithaticket]

It can only improve England rugby if they play vs SA teams. Ask the URC countries.

Rubbish. Playing the Celts for years at this level hasn't made our test record against them any less inconsistent than our test record against SA.

South Africa in a European competition is still absolute bullshit for all the reasons JMK outlined.

[OomStruisbaai]

The guy who's spent years talking up England despite us telling him we're shit thanks to Eddie is now pretending to be an expert on English rugby? Colour me surprised. And to think you're one of the better Saffer posters on here! Even Os seems to lose his mind when it comes to rugby.

Sir , you are confusing rugby with cricket.

I posted a few days ago that I don't follow English rugby.

I do have respect for Eddie Jones.

(Sir is a guy whose balls touch the water when sitting on the toilet)

[OomStruisbaai]

It can only improve England rugby if they play vs SA teams. Ask the URC countries.

Rubbish. Playing the Celts for years at this level hasn't made our test record against them any less inconsistent than our test record against SA.

South Africa in a European competition is still absolute bullshit for all the reasons JMK outlined.

I am not sure what you try to compare here?

[OomStruisbaai]

Thomas Tank will miss the opening rounds. Cited for 3 weeks

[sockwithaticket]

It can only improve England rugby if they play vs SA teams. Ask the URC countries.

Rubbish. Playing the Celts for years at this level hasn't made our test record against them any less inconsistent than our test record against SA.

South Africa in a European competition is still absolute bullshit for all the reasons JMK outlined.

I am not sure what you try to compare here?

You say that playing SA club sides will improve England. I don't think that's correct because we already have the example of playing Welsh, Irish and Scottish club sides for many years and England haven't particularly improved when playing against those nations' national team. Ergo, I don't think playing SA clubs will make a difference either.

[OomStruisbaai]

Rubbish. Playing the Celts for years at this level hasn't made our test record against them any less inconsistent than our test record against SA.

South Africa in a European competition is still absolute bullshit for all the reasons JMK outlined.

I am not sure what you try to compare here?

You say that playing SA club sides will improve England. I don't think that's correct because we already have the example of playing Welsh, Irish and Scottish club sides for many years and England haven't particularly improved when playing against those nations' national team. Ergo, I don't think playing SA clubs will make a difference either.

Why do you think Leinster is so good? The must be doing something right with their structures. The stronger the structures the better the top.

In my environment, I take the Stormers. Going down to school level we have a very strong schoolboy structure. In a radius of 30 km you have 3 schools in SA top 5. If you look at the top structure which is Springboks you'll get 5 players coming from that schools. It has always been like that. When these three schools play each other, you get at least 10,000 spectators and massive clashes. They push each other year after year after year to the benefit for SA Rugby.

Your top is as good as your bottom structure. SA Rugby franchises will improve your clubs playing quality. Your players will visit and play in South African conditions like ours are playing in NH conditions.

Why did Ireland send an B squad to South Africa, NZ an u20 team?

Anyways Rugby is driven by money. If SA teams pull full houses then we'll see them play more and more up north.

[JM2K6]

I see you're not letting your admitted total ignorance of English rugby stop you from bloviating on English rugby in incredibly tedious fashion

[OomStruisbaai]

I see you're not letting your admitted total ignorance of English rugby stop you from bloviating on English rugby in incredibly tedious fashion

Sorry Sir, you speak way above my level English.

[OomStruisbaai]

Stormers to travel to Clermont today. It's going to be a massive challenge playing in totally different conditions.

[Sards]

Stormers to travel to Clermont today. It's going to be a massive challenge playing in totally different conditions.

Stormers were fortunate to get the bottom teams at home. Going to be interesting

[OomStruisbaai]

Stormers to travel to Clermont today. It's going to be a massive challenge playing in totally different conditions.

Stormers were fortunate to get the bottom teams at home. Going to be interesting

This is a different tournament and will be a new challenge for the Sharks, Stormers and Bulls. The French and English is a massive step up from URC. Round 1 the Stormers will play against Clermont in totally different conditions. I expect them to lose it.

[OomStruisbaai]

Good luck to the URC teams. We need to stick together.

[OomStruisbaai]

Saffer mathes Saturday 10 Dec
Lions vs Dragons @ 12h45 (Anthony Woodthorpe)
Secon Palause vs Cheetahs @ 15h00 (Sam Grove-White)
Sharks vs Harlequins @ 15h00 (Tual Trainini)
Clermont vs Stormers @ 17h15 (Wayne Barnes)
Bulls vs Lyon @ 19h30 ( Matthew Carley)

[OomStruisbaai]

Arno Botha to return to Loftus this weekend for Lyon

AE , Irna Herbst and Wilco Louw for Quins vs Sharks.

[assfly]

I am so looking forward to this