The Official English Rugby Thread

[Margin__Walker]

Very rare you can pin a loss on a ref decision, but not carding him for that hit has cost Glaws badly.

Just seen the head contact on Twitter. What was the justification for no card?

[Brazil]

Clutch stuff. Good game of rugby. Classy crowd as ever. Dickson a useless ref as ever.

Good job for Sarries Dickson was so shit though, eh?

[Tichtheid]

Very rare you can pin a loss on a ref decision, but not carding him for that hit has cost Glaws badly.

Just seen the head contact on Twitter. What was the justification for no card?

Ref said there were too many phases after the incident

[sockwithaticket]

Very rare you can pin a loss on a ref decision, but not carding him for that hit has cost Glaws badly.

Just seen the head contact on Twitter. What was the justification for no card?

Something about number of phases being played since it occurred, so it couldn't be looked at. Certainly a new one on me, didn't think there was a phase limit to checking foul play.

[Margin__Walker]

Very rare you can pin a loss on a ref decision, but not carding him for that hit has cost Glaws badly.

Just seen the head contact on Twitter. What was the justification for no card?

Something about number of phases being played since it occurred, so it couldn't be looked at. Certainly a new one on me, didn't think there was a phase limit to checking foul play.

What? The ref in the LI Stormers game went back about 100 phases (only a slight exaggeration) to chalk off one of our tries for a slight shove in the back. With the justification that it was foul play, so there was no phase count or anything like that.

There either is a phase limit or there isn't FFS

[Paddington Bear]

Clutch stuff. Good game of rugby. Classy crowd as ever. Dickson a useless ref as ever.

Good job for Sarries Dickson was so shit though, eh?

That’s what I was alluding to, pretty obviously

[SaintK]

Very rare you can pin a loss on a ref decision, but not carding him for that hit has cost Glaws badly.

Missed the Farrell high tackle.
Glaws lineout failures in the Saracens 22 with two lost throws 5 meters out probably cost them more
And Carreras missed a sitter in front of the posts

[Paddington Bear]

Fast forward a few hours and we get some proper reffing. Cronin keeps swearing at Foley, gets pinged and it sets up a Newcastle score. Good game so far

[Brazil]

Poor Leicester

[petej]

Poor Leicester

Lost too many important carriers to injury and moves - Wiese, Cracknell, Montoya, Nadolo, Genge.

And other injuries to Watson, Pollard, Burns as well as losing the head coach and defence coach.

Replacing Ford with Pollard is a massive mistake. This season is over for Tigers.

[sockwithaticket]

Leicester's lifeline snatched away. Second half looks like a mountain to climb.

How good is Matteo Carreras at the moment? Hopefully he doesn't get poached by a Top14 side, because x-factor like his is valuable for the Prem regardless of which team he plays for.

[sockwithaticket]

Very rare you can pin a loss on a ref decision, but not carding him for that hit has cost Glaws badly.

Missed the Farrell high tackle.
Glaws lineout failures in the Saracens 22 with two lost throws 5 meters out probably cost them more
And Carreras missed a sitter in front of the posts

True and I'm a big advocate of 'do better in the other 80 minutes', it's just that you don't often see someone who should've been sent off (yellow or red) late in the game when things are tight who then goes on to score the winning points.

[ASMO]

Leicester for want of a better word are getting bummed.

[Lobby]

Very rare you can pin a loss on a ref decision, but not carding him for that hit has cost Glaws badly.

Missed the Farrell high tackle.
Glaws lineout failures in the Saracens 22 with two lost throws 5 meters out probably cost them more
And Carreras missed a sitter in front of the posts

Farrell missed 4 kicks at goal (2 conversions and 2 penalties) before the drop goal at the end.

[petej]

Leicester for want of a better word are getting bummed.

Cronin is shite.

[Paddington Bear]

Now a 14 point swing as a result of Cronin not keeping his mouth shut

[sockwithaticket]

Getting done once for back chat can maybe be deemed unfortunate given how much often goes unpunished, but twice in the same game is astonishingly stupid.

Tigers don't look like they have a clue how to get back into this game. I'm sure leaving Atkinson on with just one operational leg isn't helping.

[petej]

They can fuck right off on the card for Reffell after the Farrell decision.

[Brazil]

Um, didn't he drop that?

[Slick]

Confirmed that Evans joins England for the 6N

Next England will start picking the best players they have as well, strange times

[sockwithaticket]

They can fuck right off on the card for Reffell after the Farrell decision.

Nah, Dickson being a fuck up doesn't mean the rest of the officials should give up.

[Brazil]

Fully expected Carreras to go full Julio Geordio and finish with "and afterwards shag Dani Behr like"

[petej]

They can fuck right off on the card for Reffell after the Farrell decision.

Nah, Dickson being a fuck up doesn't mean the rest of the officials should give up.

Then the authorities have to atone for their mistake which means a 3 week ban for Farrell.

[Paddington Bear]

Congrats Newcastle. I know they’re probably the smallest draw in the prem but its a shame they’re not on tv more regularly as they’re fun to watch

[Torquemada 1420]

They can fuck right off on the card for Reffell after the Farrell decision.

Nah, Dickson being a fuck up doesn't mean the rest of the officials should give up.

Then the authorities have to atone for their mistake which means a 3 week ban for Farrell.

Never happen with 6N around the corner. English authorities already taken the p*ss in that regard in fudging Marler's ban for the same rationale.

[sockwithaticket]

They can fuck right off on the card for Reffell after the Farrell decision.

Nah, Dickson being a fuck up doesn't mean the rest of the officials should give up.

Then the authorities have to atone for their mistake which means a 3 week ban for Farrell.

I'd say longer given that it's not a first offence, but we know that the whole disciplinary system is nothing if not consistently inconsistent.

[Kawazaki]

They can fuck right off on the card for Reffell after the Farrell decision.

They are unrelated events.

There wasn't a decision made on Farrell's tackle.

[Kawazaki]

Nah, Dickson being a fuck up doesn't mean the rest of the officials should give up.

Then the authorities have to atone for their mistake which means a 3 week ban for Farrell.

I'd say longer given that it's not a first offence, but we know that the whole disciplinary system is nothing if not consistently inconsistent.

You old women are hilarious. Farrell lives in your heads.

[sockwithaticket]

And you're behaving like his over-protective mum. I don't see what's controversial in suggesting a ban longer than 3 weeks ought to be forthcoming given that 2 - 3 tends to be what first time offenders get on the back of having half taken off for previous good record. That reduction clearly doesn't apply to Farrell given his prior ban for the horror tackle on Charlie Atkinson.

[Big D]

That's a ridiculous decision in the Exeter game. The Exeter player jumps into the space. If anything it should have been a saints penalty.

[Paddington Bear]

That's a ridiculous decision in the Exeter game. The Exeter player jumps into the space. If anything it should have been a saints penalty.

Absolutely bizarre, not jumping into contact appears to have stopped being policed about 5/6 years ago

[Kawazaki]

And you're behaving like his over-protective mum. I don't see what's controversial in suggesting a ban longer than 3 weeks ought to be forthcoming given that 2 - 3 tends to be what first time offenders get on the back of having half taken off for previous good record. That reduction clearly doesn't apply to Farrell given his prior ban for the horror tackle on Charlie Atkinson.

That was 2½ years ago FFS!

[sockwithaticket]

And you're behaving like his over-protective mum. I don't see what's controversial in suggesting a ban longer than 3 weeks ought to be forthcoming given that 2 - 3 tends to be what first time offenders get on the back of having half taken off for previous good record. That reduction clearly doesn't apply to Farrell given his prior ban for the horror tackle on Charlie Atkinson.

That was 2½ years ago FFS!

So? Willing to be corrected, but I'm not aware that prior bans are expunged from the record. Certainly Ashton's been clouted with bans that took into account his prior record even though considerable time had passed between incidents.

Also, two red card incidents is far more than the vast majority of players manage across a career, let alone a mere 2 and a bit years.

[Paddington Bear]

This is something of a manufactured argument. Is anyone saying it wasn’t a red? No. Is anyone saying he won’t cop a ban? Again, no. Was there such a hugh degree of danger to deserve a punitive ban? Very hard to argue for yes, Faz got caught upright because he wasn’t expecting a pick and go down the blindside and of course has more than a tendency to tackle like a league player as it is. 3 weeks would seem about right.

[sockwithaticket]

That's a ridiculous decision in the Exeter game. The Exeter player jumps into the space. If anything it should have been a saints penalty.

Absolutely bizarre, not jumping into contact appears to have stopped being policed about 5/6 years ago

It's so ridiculous. If players choose to jump to gather a bad pass that's going above them in front of a tackler then they are jumping into contact. End of.

[sockwithaticket]

This is something of a manufactured argument. Is anyone saying it wasn’t a red? No. Is anyone saying he won’t cop a ban? Again, no. Was there such a hugh degree of danger to deserve a punitive ban? Very hard to argue for yes, Faz got caught upright because he wasn’t expecting a pick and go down the blindside and of course has more than a tendency to tackle like a league player as it is. 3 weeks would seem about right.

That's what I dispute, most bans for these offences end up being about that after prior good record, being contrite, managing not to be dickhead at the hearing etc. are taken into account.

Ergo, if you take the prior good record out of it, which I don't think is a radical notion for a player who has served a ban for the same offence, I don't see how the ban can be the same length as one for a first time offender.

[Paddington Bear]

This is something of a manufactured argument. Is anyone saying it wasn’t a red? No. Is anyone saying he won’t cop a ban? Again, no. Was there such a hugh degree of danger to deserve a punitive ban? Very hard to argue for yes, Faz got caught upright because he wasn’t expecting a pick and go down the blindside and of course has more than a tendency to tackle like a league player as it is. 3 weeks would seem about right.

That's what I dispute, most bans for these offences end up being about that after prior good record, being contrite, managing not to be dickhead at the hearing etc. are taken into account.

Ergo, if you take the prior good record out of it, which I don't think is a radical notion for a player who has served a ban for the same offence, I don't see how the ban can be the same length as one for a first time offender.

The controversy of last night is:
1) it’s Faz, and
2) he immediately lopped over a game winning dg

It was a red card but for me it is more of a ‘technical’ red than a horror show like his previous red was. No disagreement that if it was a repeat of his last red he should have a lengthy spell off

[Kawazaki]

This is something of a manufactured argument. Is anyone saying it wasn’t a red? No. Is anyone saying he won’t cop a ban? Again, no. Was there such a hugh degree of danger to deserve a punitive ban? Very hard to argue for yes, Faz got caught upright because he wasn’t expecting a pick and go down the blindside and of course has more than a tendency to tackle like a league player as it is. 3 weeks would seem about right.

It's Owen Farrell, a player that managed to cop some of the blame for how poor England were in the 6Ns last year when he didn't play in any of the matches.

He boils other people's piss while he just carries on winning. And let's not forget, he's an immaculate pro off the pitch, no social media stuff, no scandal. He just keeps his head down and just works hard.

[Deveron Boy]

This is something of a manufactured argument. Is anyone saying it wasn’t a red? No. Is anyone saying he won’t cop a ban? Again, no. Was there such a hugh degree of danger to deserve a punitive ban? Very hard to argue for yes, Faz got caught upright because he wasn’t expecting a pick and go down the blindside and of course has more than a tendency to tackle like a league player as it is. 3 weeks would seem about right.

It's Owen Farrell, a player that managed to cop some of the blame for how poor England were in the 6Ns last year when he didn't play in any of the matches.

He boils other people's piss while he just carries on winning. And let's not forget, he's an immaculate pro off the pitch, no social media stuff, no scandal. He just keeps his head down and just works hard.

With multiple atrocious tackles, many of which have gone unpunished, probably a bit more relevant to any citing hearing than he’s not on fucking twitter

[petej]

Cowan-Dickie looks like he is going to miss the 6N.