Alec Baldwin shooting

[Ymx]

Actor Alec Baldwin has spoken publicly for the first time since the accidental fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of Western film Rust, calling it a "one in a trillion episode".

The actor and his wife, Hilaria, stopped to speak to reporters on a roadside in Vermont, and while Baldwin said he could not comment on the ongoing investigation, he revealed Ms Hutchins was "my friend".
"We were a very, very well-oiled crew shooting a film together and then this horrible event happened," Baldwin said.

"A woman died. She was my friend... When I arrived in Santa Fe to start shooting, I took her to dinner."

After reading this, I’m hoping he goes down.

All about him.

I actually can’t believe he feels it relevant he took her to dinner. … before he well … executed her.

Him saying he’s been supportive to the family in other statements.

Then saying things like well oiled crew, and 1 in a trillion. This is so embarrassingly out of kilter.

He had immediately got on the phone to her family to get his story in there and blame others …

Hope he gets prosecuted over this.

[fishfoodie]

Actor Alec Baldwin has spoken publicly for the first time since the accidental fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of Western film Rust, calling it a "one in a trillion episode".

The actor and his wife, Hilaria, stopped to speak to reporters on a roadside in Vermont, and while Baldwin said he could not comment on the ongoing investigation, he revealed Ms Hutchins was "my friend".
"We were a very, very well-oiled crew shooting a film together and then this horrible event happened," Baldwin said.

"A woman died. She was my friend... When I arrived in Santa Fe to start shooting, I took her to dinner."

After reading this, I’m hoping he goes down.

All about him.

I actually can’t believe he feels it relevant he took her to dinner. … before he well … executed her.

Him saying he’s been supportive to the family in other statements.

Then saying things like well oiled crew, and 1 in a trillion. This is so embarrassingly out of kilter.

He had immediately got on the phone to her family to get his story in there and blame others …

Hope he gets prosecuted over this.

Why do I get the feeling that this all about how you feel about Baldwin; & nothing to do with the establishing the facts of the case; & not the personalities ?

[CM11]

Actor Alec Baldwin has spoken publicly for the first time since the accidental fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of Western film Rust, calling it a "one in a trillion episode".

The actor and his wife, Hilaria, stopped to speak to reporters on a roadside in Vermont, and while Baldwin said he could not comment on the ongoing investigation, he revealed Ms Hutchins was "my friend".
"We were a very, very well-oiled crew shooting a film together and then this horrible event happened," Baldwin said.

"A woman died. She was my friend... When I arrived in Santa Fe to start shooting, I took her to dinner."

After reading this, I’m hoping he goes down.

All about him.

I actually can’t believe he feels it relevant he took her to dinner. … before he well … executed her.

Him saying he’s been supportive to the family in other statements.

Then saying things like well oiled crew, and 1 in a trillion. This is so embarrassingly out of kilter.

He had immediately got on the phone to her family to get his story in there and blame others …

Hope he gets prosecuted over this.

Why do I get the feeling that this all about how you feel about Baldwin; & nothing to do with the establishing the facts of the case; & not the personalities ?

Yep. Completely subjective take there. Baldwin has been hounded since it happened. He finally gave in and gave a response. He can't say anything relevant to the case so of course he's going to respond with personal stuff relating to the victim.

I must have missed the bit where he's blamed anyone.

[Flockwitt]

This story has generated so much interest, with so little actual factual information, that it's become a case study in modern media. Every item has been repackaged under a different slant three or four times generating a new heading for the same news. There was even an article under a heading which all it basically said was how surprised somebody was when Alec walked into their shop. Click-bait reporting at its worst.

[Ymx]

Yes, of course it’s my opinion.

What’s not my opinion is
- props being used between sets
- live rounds being used in the gun
- failures on 2 levels to ensure the gun was safe
- Alec saying it was a well oiled operation

[Flockwitt]

I think you can also add to that live rounds even being on set. Somebody must have known about the reported shooting practice/fun.

[Sandstorm]

I think you can also add to that live rounds even being on set. Somebody must have known about the reported shooting practice/fun.

EVERYONE knew about it. Working for months in the New Mexico desert is boring. Once they’ve got tired of fucking each other, they go shoot some cans after work for fun.

This won’t be the only film set where live rounds were nearby. Just the first where someone died.

[Openside]

I'd not be happy with that. As soon as I pick up a weapon I'm in charge of it and want to know the state of that weapon for myself.

Are you an expert in every weapon every made? Somebody gives an actor a AK-47, then a glock, then a 1917 luger? And the actor is supposed to be the person responsible for checking each and everything? Impossible. There should be cast iron protocols to prevent the non-expert getting involved in the process.

Alec, if you're happy cutting about with a weapon you don't know the state of thats fine. I'm not.

This!!

If the actor isn't allowed to 'fuck around' with the gun as filming would stop, then the armourer should hand him then in a show clear position before handing it over.

[Kawazaki]

Question: Why allow any live rounds on a film set in the first place?!

Seems simple enough rule to me.

[Ymx]

He didn’t pull the trigger

[Gumboot]

How many times did that gun misfire before then?

[Ymx]

He’s saying he cocked the gun then released it and it went off.

[Sandstorm]

He’s saying he cocked the gun then released it and it went off.

Oh so he didn’t shoot her, he was just making some eggs. Fucking lawyer told him to say that!

[Ymx]

He’s saying he cocked the gun then released it and it went off.

Oh so he didn’t shoot her, he was just making some eggs. Fucking lawyer told him to say that!

Pretty much. Very carefully orchestrated responses.
Didn’t pull the trigger, although the cock/pin was released by his thumb.

[Cartman]

Ridiculous that he can go on tv and do an interview while investigation is ongoing

[charltom]

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... f698590000

This is an animated re-enactment, presented by the LA Times, that makes various points that several of us mentioned a while back, and adds some others.

[inactionman]

Baldwin and the armourer both to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/19/arts ... ldwin.html

[Sandstorm]

Baldwin and the armourer both to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/19/arts ... ldwin.html

8 years for the nobody armourer, 100 hours community service for the A-lister?

[Torquemada 1420]

Baldwin and the armourer both to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/19/arts ... ldwin.html

8 years for the nobody armourer, 100 hours community service for the A-lister?

I don't think the yanks do community service. You'd need a community to start with.

[fishfoodie]

Baldwin and the armourer both to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/19/arts ... ldwin.html

8 years for the nobody armourer, 100 hours community service for the A-lister?

I don't think the yanks do community service. You'd need a community to start with.

Yep, you'll often see people in bright coloured jumpsuits picking up litter at the side of the roads etc.

[Blackmac]

Baldwin and the armourer both to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/19/arts ... ldwin.html

8 years for the nobody armourer, 100 hours community service for the A-lister?

Given the circumstances that sounds about right.

[fishfoodie]

Baldwin and the armourer both to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/19/arts ... ldwin.html

8 years for the nobody armourer, 100 hours community service for the A-lister?

Given the circumstances that sounds about right.

If it's Baldwin as the actor, I'd tend to agree, because the armourer is the Professional, & is responsible for making sure that there was no possibility of any lethal weapon getting within a million miles of a set; but Baldwin was also there in a managerial capacity, & has to bare some responsibility for hiring a shitty armourer, & the lax standards around the set.

I think on balance the armourer should always take the majority of the heat, because ultimately, they are the one who has to make sure that any weapon that gets on set, is in a safe state; & she completely failed in this basic duty.

There was no good reason for live rounds to ever be on set; & whoever brought them on should be the one who faces the worst sanctions.

[Uncle fester]

Health and safety legislation generally holds senior managers to account for deficient safety culture and as producer, Baldwin needs to take responsibility.

[Flockwitt]

Health and safety legislation generally holds senior managers to account for deficient safety culture and as producer, Baldwin needs to take responsibility.

Yep. This. As the producer responsible for ensuring proper procedure is followed he's liable. I guess his only hope now is if they can prove criminal negligence on behalf of the armour so at least his charge is mitigated. I'm certainly no lawyer though.

[Uncle fester]

Health and safety legislation generally holds senior managers to account for deficient safety culture and as producer, Baldwin needs to take responsibility.

Yep. This. As the producer responsible for ensuring proper procedure is followed he's liable. I guess his only hope now is if they can prove criminal negligence on behalf of the armour so at least his charge is mitigated. I'm certainly no lawyer though.

In most western countries, the legislation is set up to question why an obviously incompetent person was put in charge of such an important job and then allowed to keep it. That's the angle they use to get accountability up the ranks.

Otherwise it would be cleaning ladies getting jailed all the time.

[Ymx]

Health and safety legislation generally holds senior managers to account for deficient safety culture and as producer, Baldwin needs to take responsibility.

Yep. This. As the producer responsible for ensuring proper procedure is followed he's liable. I guess his only hope now is if they can prove criminal negligence on behalf of the armour so at least his charge is mitigated. I'm certainly no lawyer though.

His earlier comments about it being “one in a trillion”, and a “very, very well oiled crew” are doing some heavy lifting.

[Guy Smiley]

Health and safety legislation generally holds senior managers to account for deficient safety culture and as producer, Baldwin needs to take responsibility.

Yep. This. As the producer responsible for ensuring proper procedure is followed he's liable. I guess his only hope now is if they can prove criminal negligence on behalf of the armour so at least his charge is mitigated. I'm certainly no lawyer though.

In most western countries, the legislation is set up to question why an obviously incompetent person was put in charge of such an important job and then allowed to keep it. That's the angle they use to get accountability up the ranks.

Otherwise it would be cleaning ladies getting jailed all the time.

Western countries and accountability up the ranks?

An interesting concept. I can't see it flying, myself.

[Flockwitt]

I see it's not necessarily clear cut. The defence is suing the ammo supplier stating that live rounds were mixed in with the dummies at the supply source - may well be a stretch if that's purely tactical, but it's the kind of thing that could be difficult to prove one way or another and muddies the water.

[Sandstorm]

I see it's not necessarily clear cut. The defence is suing the ammo supplier stating that live rounds were mixed in with the dummies at the supply source - may well be a stretch if that's purely tactical, but it's the kind of thing that could be difficult to prove one way or another and muddies the water.

But it’s bollocks because we know the crew were drinking beers and shooting bottles in their downtime.

[Ymx]

I see it's not necessarily clear cut. The defence is suing the ammo supplier stating that live rounds were mixed in with the dummies at the supply source - may well be a stretch if that's purely tactical, but it's the kind of thing that could be difficult to prove one way or another and muddies the water.

But it’s bollocks because we know the crew were drinking beers and shooting bottles in their downtime.

Indeed.

[Calculon]

It may well be, but I don't see how one excludes the other

[Ymx]

It may well be, but I don't see how one excludes the other

I think he meant that defence was bullshit.

I’m not sure it excludes it, but it does make it somewhat of a moot point.

It also depends upon what mixed in means.

- Was it mixed in the same boxes
- Was it in different and correctly labelled boxes but not ordered by them
- Was the live ammo ordered by them, and simply arrived in the same postage.

I’m thinking it’s probably the latter of the 3.

[Calculon]

3 might have happened, but I'm certain that's not what they are claiming happened; unless the defence is trying to lose the case

[Ymx]

Here’s indeed what they are saying

The lawsuit from Gutierrez Reed places blame on ammunition supplier Seth Kenney and his company PDQ Arm & Prop for introducing live rounds to the set where only blanks and dummies were supposed to be present.

“The introduction of live rounds onto the set, which no one anticipated, combined with the rushed and chaotic atmosphere, created a perfect storm for a safety incident,” the lawsuit states.

Kenney could not be reached for comment. He has said previously that he was sure his company did not send any live rounds to the set of “Rust.”

The lawsuit adds new details to the chain of custody for guns and ammunition on the “Rust” set on Oct. 21, describing the appearance of a new box of ammunition — presumed to be harmless dummy rounds with no explosive — shortly before a revolver was loaded and passed to Baldwin.

Baldwin has said he didn’t know the gun he was holding contained a live round when it went off while pointed at Hutchins. Investigators are trying to find where the live round came from, searching the Albuquerque premises of PDQ Arm & Prop in December.

The new lawsuit seeks damages at a jury trial on allegations of unfair trade practices, introducing dangerous products, and false labels and misrepresentation.

It states that authorities found on set “a suspected seven live rounds distributed inside the ammo box, on the ammo cart and in the bandoliers.”

The lawsuit also accuses Kenney of inserting himself in the investigations and attempting to implicate Gutierrez Reed.

Authorities recovered hundreds of rounds of ammunition at the “Rust” movie set — a mix of blanks, dummy rounds and what appeared to be live rounds.

Authorities have issued a search warrant for Baldwin’s phone, seeking text messages, images, videos, calls or any other information related to the movie.

[fishfoodie]

This shit is so annoying.

If Mr Baldwin had performed mandatory safety checks with armourer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and not pointed the gun at Hutchins, the "tragedy would not have occurred", Mr Shilling argued.

"This reckless deviation from known standards and practice and protocol directly caused the fatal shooting," he said.

"Baldwin knew the first rule of gun safety is never point a gun at someone you don't intend on shooting," Mr Shilling added.

In the world where guns fire real rounds, this is the first rule; in the world where Baldwin makes his living, people point guns at other people every day, & don't intend killing them; it's called working !!

Baldwin existed; like every other actor in a world where real rounds don't exists, because that's the only way everyone can go to work, & do what they do.

This fuckup happened because someone brought real live rounds into a place where they should never have been present; because every day people would be pointing viable firearms at each other, & pulling the triggers, & not planning on killing anyone.

[charltom]

This shit is so annoying.

If Mr Baldwin had performed mandatory safety checks with armourer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and not pointed the gun at Hutchins, the "tragedy would not have occurred", Mr Shilling argued.

"This reckless deviation from known standards and practice and protocol directly caused the fatal shooting," he said.

"Baldwin knew the first rule of gun safety is never point a gun at someone you don't intend on shooting," Mr Shilling added.

In the world where guns fire real rounds, this is the first rule; in the world where Baldwin makes his living, people point guns at other people every day, & don't intend killing them; it's called working !!

Baldwin existed; like every other actor in a world where real rounds don't exists, because that's the only way everyone can go to work, & do what they do.

This fuckup happened because someone brought real live rounds into a place where they should never have been present; because every day people would be pointing viable firearms at each other, & pulling the triggers, & not planning on killing anyone.

If you have a gun capable of firing lethal rounds, whether you expect such rounds to be there or not, you check what is or is not in the gun when you take control of it. Always.

I have checked guns quite literally thousands of times when I have "known" them to be safe, precisely because of how serious the consequences can be if I am wrong in the assumption of safety.

Shooters all over the world know to do this. No actor should be excused it. Someone could die!

[Calculon]

Regardless of your opinion, if it was/is SOP for actors not to check the weapon handed to them, if would presumably be difficult to convict him on that particular point. He might well be found guitly of something else.

[Blackmac]

Looks like Baldwin wasn't paying attention during firearms training. Apparently spent most of the day on the phone to his wife.

[Tichtheid]

If you have a gun capable of firing lethal rounds, whether you expect such rounds to be there or not, you check what is or is not in the gun when you take control of it. Always.

I have checked guns quite literally thousands of times when I have "known" them to be safe, precisely because of how serious the consequences can be if I am wrong in the assumption of safety.

Shooters all over the world know to do this. No actor should be excused it. Someone could die!

How is this done? Do you have to take all of the ammunition out of the gun to check each bullet?

I've used a shotgun on the farm, but never anything that fires bullets

[Blackmac]

If you have a gun capable of firing lethal rounds, whether you expect such rounds to be there or not, you check what is or is not in the gun when you take control of it. Always.

I have checked guns quite literally thousands of times when I have "known" them to be safe, precisely because of how serious the consequences can be if I am wrong in the assumption of safety.

Shooters all over the world know to do this. No actor should be excused it. Someone could die!

How is this done? Do you have to take all of the ammunition out of the gun to check each bullet?

I've used a shotgun on the farm, but never anything that fires bullets

It's not really, certainly not to the level of expectation people are suggesting here. You would check to see if there are rounds in the weapon and whether a round is chambered. I'm not aware of any circumstance where someone would be checking the individual rounds.