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Well, I'd never have guessed!
One in 10 Conservative peers are big donors to the party, giving almost £50m in total, new analysis shows, amid controversy over more financial backers believed to have been put forward on Boris Johnson’s resignation honours list.
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Holy fuck the whole thread is brutal but the real wages bit in this :cry:
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Mad Nad will not be at all happy!!
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It's still noticeable that the Tories never see fit to put up spokespersons for C4 News, but I suppose the current leadership doesn't feel the need to fling shit in a thousand directions to distract, the way the Bumblecunts one did !

It would need a nuclear war to distract from their failures at this point, so the best tactic is blame the previous lot, & hope for a miracle before the GE.
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Yep, not a happy bunny
Delusionally she thinks she was part of a "progressive" government for the past 3 years :crazy:
You only need to read the pile in below to see how that comment's gone down
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Every year the CBI tell you why they are not going to employ this year's batch of Youngsters around results time.

if they all leave with academic qualifications "oh we need more vocational skills, then kids a few years later get vocational skills, "oh we need more apprenticeships".
Business leaders have been having a say in the education system since the 50s and every year they give you a reason as to why this years kids are not up to scratch.

Frankly the young can never be up to scratch, because if they were, employers would have a duty or responsibility to employ them and be responsible and accountable for their bullshit.


So every year the education system and the people it produces has to be defective, in the eyes of employers.

You think employers will discover they have a duty to employ them, after insisting we ram maths down their throats for 12 or 13 years?

" oh we need more kids with a broader general knowledge in the creative arts, humanities and English...and life skills"..
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I’m deeply sceptical of the value of keeping people in education until 18 as it is, but standards of numeracy among Britain’s professional class are nothing short of embarrassing, both on an objective scale but also compared to comparable countries. So I’m all ears as to how to improve it for future generations.
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tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:44 pm
Yep and so bloody patronising as well!!!
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SaintK wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:36 pm Yep, not a happy bunny
Delusionally she thinks she was part of a "progressive" government for the past 3 years :crazy:
You only need to read the pile in below to see how that comment's gone down
She's really not letting go of the Channel 4 thing, huh?
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Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:59 pm I’m deeply sceptical of the value of keeping people in education until 18 as it is, but standards of numeracy among Britain’s professional class are nothing short of embarrassing, both on an objective scale but also compared to comparable countries. So I’m all ears as to how to improve it for future generations.
I'd start by addressing literacy. The number of kids I taught who were just barely literate or were years behind their age never ceased to upset or amaze me and it has a huge knock on impact in their ability to engage with almost every subject on the curriculum. Whether it's text books, work sheets, revision guides or whatever there's still loads of content even in a subject like maths that requires them to read in order to understand.

Honestly, holding them back 'til they're at the right level may be the right thing to do because the alternative is massive investment in support services at secondary schools to try and get the kids up to speed. That's sub-optimal if you're also trying to keep them on the regular curriculum as the problem of how effectively they can engage with it remains until they are caught up and that's not a quick process, to say nothing of trying to timetabling.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:59 pm I’m deeply sceptical of the value of keeping people in education until 18 as it is, but standards of numeracy among Britain’s professional class are nothing short of embarrassing, both on an objective scale but also compared to comparable countries. So I’m all ears as to how to improve it for future generations.
The pandemic modelling and the lack of understanding from many politicians and our glorious media was a real eye opener for me.

I've made corrosion models in the past so Boris Johnson sounding like the dumbest project manager I've ever had was both worrying and funny. With the dumbest project manager I've ever had I was forced to overstate the worst case scenario to get sensible decisions from him. I felt sorry for the scientific advisors.
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Nice to see the Tories throwing Michelle Mone under a bus. They’re happy to use her as a scapegoat because she’s not really one of them, she’s a working class kid who’s made a lot of money. So she can burn so far as they’re concerned, and it means they can say ‘look, we did investigate people for fraud, aren’t we great’ and then ignore the other £8billion or so that went to their proper chums who were at the right school.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:57 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:59 pm I’m deeply sceptical of the value of keeping people in education until 18 as it is, but standards of numeracy among Britain’s professional class are nothing short of embarrassing, both on an objective scale but also compared to comparable countries. So I’m all ears as to how to improve it for future generations.
I'd start by addressing literacy. The number of kids I taught who were just barely literate or were years behind their age never ceased to upset or amaze me and it has a huge knock on impact in their ability to engage with almost every subject on the curriculum. Whether it's text books, work sheets, revision guides or whatever there's still loads of content even in a subject like maths that requires them to read in order to understand.

Honestly, holding them back 'til they're at the right level may be the right thing to do because the alternative is massive investment in support services at secondary schools to try and get the kids up to speed. That's sub-optimal if you're also trying to keep them on the regular curriculum as the problem of how effectively they can engage with it remains until they are caught up and that's not a quick process, to say nothing of trying to timetabling.
Literacy is if anything worse, which is disastrous given one of our major comparative advantages as a nation is that we speak the world’s lingua franca from our first words.

I generally think we see a political focus on the wrong end of education (careers are short I suppose). Only 59% of the pandemic generation have left primary school meeting (low) literacy targets. As you say, what hope do they have in any subject? Until kids can read, write and count to a half decent level pretty much all other education should be about stimulating their intellectual curiosity IMO.
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What has always been particularly insane, & idiotic about screwing with primary & secondary education, is that any money saved, is small beans compared with the losses the entire society over the rest of that childs life !

You can argue the toss about the ROI for 3rd level education; often because society puts a premium on a University education, at the expense of vocational, & other training; but you never save money when you defund education.
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fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:38 pm What has always been particularly insane, & idiotic about screwing with primary & secondary education, is that any money saved, is small beans compared with the losses the entire society over the rest of that childs life !

You can argue the toss about the ROI for 3rd level education; often because society puts a premium on a University education, at the expense of vocational, & other training; but you never save money when you defund education.
Your long-term, practical sense has no place in modern Britain!
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I believe the correct answer is, no we shouldn’t because Maths is racist.

Instead for the answers, we should always accept people’s lived experience/truths.

*gets coat

Focusing on the correct answer in maths ‘is racist’
May 20 2021, The Times


There is a new frontier in the war on racism: maths.
In California a state education panel is to consider curriculum reforms designed to support “equitable” mathematics instruction for all six million schoolchildren outside the public sector. If approved, getting the “right answer” in a maths problem may no longer be a pupil’s main objective.

The framework sets out to tackle the ways that students’ “mathematics identities are shaped in part by a culture of societal and institutionalised racism”. It argues that this partly explains the history of underrepresentation of black, Hispanic and indigenous people, as well as women and low income students, in “mathematics and mathematics-related domains”.

Opponents of the attempt to root out “white supremacy” in maths argue that ethnic minority and low income students will be disproportionately harmed by accompanying proposals to cut back on algebra teaching.

The framework draws on a manual developed last year by educationalists in California. It claimed that maths teaching methods perpetuated racist discrimination and needed to be overhauled so that non-white pupils could “reclaim their mathematical ancestry”.

The indicators of “white supremacy culture in the mathematics classroom” identified by the guide included a focus on “getting the right answer” at the expense of understanding concepts and reasoning.

Teachers who uphold “the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open conflict”, two characteristics of racist systems in organisations, according to the manual.

“If this framework spreads it could condemn a generation of children to irrelevance in science, technology, engineering and math fields, where the right answer is not a matter of opinion,” wrote James Robbins, a senior fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council, in USA Today.
Williamson Evers, a former assistant secretary of education under President Obama, wrote in The Wall Street Journal that “encouraging those gifted in math to shine will be a distant memory”.
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Ymx wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:22 am I believe the correct answer is, no we shouldn’t because Maths is racist.

Instead for the answers, we should always accept people’s lived experience/truths.

*gets coat

Focusing on the correct answer in maths ‘is racist’
May 20 2021, The Times


There is a new frontier in the war on racism: maths.
In California a state education panel is to consider curriculum reforms designed to support “equitable” mathematics instruction for all six million schoolchildren outside the public sector. If approved, getting the “right answer” in a maths problem may no longer be a pupil’s main objective.

The framework sets out to tackle the ways that students’ “mathematics identities are shaped in part by a culture of societal and institutionalised racism”. It argues that this partly explains the history of underrepresentation of black, Hispanic and indigenous people, as well as women and low income students, in “mathematics and mathematics-related domains”.

Opponents of the attempt to root out “white supremacy” in maths argue that ethnic minority and low income students will be disproportionately harmed by accompanying proposals to cut back on algebra teaching.

The framework draws on a manual developed last year by educationalists in California. It claimed that maths teaching methods perpetuated racist discrimination and needed to be overhauled so that non-white pupils could “reclaim their mathematical ancestry”.

The indicators of “white supremacy culture in the mathematics classroom” identified by the guide included a focus on “getting the right answer” at the expense of understanding concepts and reasoning.

Teachers who uphold “the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open conflict”, two characteristics of racist systems in organisations, according to the manual.

“If this framework spreads it could condemn a generation of children to irrelevance in science, technology, engineering and math fields, where the right answer is not a matter of opinion,” wrote James Robbins, a senior fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council, in USA Today.
Williamson Evers, a former assistant secretary of education under President Obama, wrote in The Wall Street Journal that “encouraging those gifted in math to shine will be a distant memory”.
Literally nobody has even come close to mentioning this in the UK in the "maths" discussion and nobody will either.

Boring culture war bait attempt here I'm afraid, not your best.
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I like neeps wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:24 am
Ymx wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:22 am I believe the correct answer is, no we shouldn’t because Maths is racist.

Instead for the answers, we should always accept people’s lived experience/truths.

*gets coat

Focusing on the correct answer in maths ‘is racist’
May 20 2021, The Times


There is a new frontier in the war on racism: maths.
In California a state education panel is to consider curriculum reforms designed to support “equitable” mathematics instruction for all six million schoolchildren outside the public sector. If approved, getting the “right answer” in a maths problem may no longer be a pupil’s main objective.

The framework sets out to tackle the ways that students’ “mathematics identities are shaped in part by a culture of societal and institutionalised racism”. It argues that this partly explains the history of underrepresentation of black, Hispanic and indigenous people, as well as women and low income students, in “mathematics and mathematics-related domains”.

Opponents of the attempt to root out “white supremacy” in maths argue that ethnic minority and low income students will be disproportionately harmed by accompanying proposals to cut back on algebra teaching.

The framework draws on a manual developed last year by educationalists in California. It claimed that maths teaching methods perpetuated racist discrimination and needed to be overhauled so that non-white pupils could “reclaim their mathematical ancestry”.

The indicators of “white supremacy culture in the mathematics classroom” identified by the guide included a focus on “getting the right answer” at the expense of understanding concepts and reasoning.

Teachers who uphold “the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open conflict”, two characteristics of racist systems in organisations, according to the manual.

“If this framework spreads it could condemn a generation of children to irrelevance in science, technology, engineering and math fields, where the right answer is not a matter of opinion,” wrote James Robbins, a senior fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council, in USA Today.
Williamson Evers, a former assistant secretary of education under President Obama, wrote in The Wall Street Journal that “encouraging those gifted in math to shine will be a distant memory”.
Literally nobody has even come close to mentioning this in the UK in the "maths" discussion and nobody will either.

Boring culture war bait attempt here I'm afraid, not your best.
I know. It was a silly joke.

I googled Maths is Racist, and up it popped.


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It’s now official news. “Nad was a dangerous waste of space”
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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PCPhil wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:25 pm It’s now official news. “Nad was a dangerous waste of space”
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Sunak really trying to go ahead with restricting strike rights and empowering employers to sue and fire strikers.

Despicable, but not surprising.

Short of rioting all you can do is write to your MP and make sure they're aware of how unacceptable this is. If they receive enough blowback, they'll reign things in.
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Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:36 pm
PCPhil wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:25 pm It’s now official news. “Nad was a dangerous waste of space”
They make great amplifiers.
My brother had the NAD 3020B - the one with the MM/MC cartridge option.

A classic of its kind, it punched way above its price weight.

He also had a Rega Planar 3 turntable with the S-shaped arm, I replaced the arm and my daughter now uses it.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:53 pm Sunak really trying to go ahead with restricting strike rights and empowering employers to sue and fire strikers.

Despicable, but not surprising.

Short of rioting all you can do is write to your MP and make sure they're aware of how unacceptable this is. If they receive enough blowback, they'll reign things in.
No-one wants this including employer organisations. Imagine taking the right to strike away or to reduce their ability to take action from workers, all that would happen would be that they would take any number of other less obvious actions to make their point and harm employers even more. This is suicidal from the Tories, it grabs the headlines but is completely inoperable and would create havoc in industrial relations world. Last pathetic gasps from a Gov devoid of any ideas and control over the agenda, whilst the UK burns they fiddle about with maths for 18 year olds and trying to ban strikes. Trying to stoke a them v us agenda and it aint working. Pathetic.
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dpedin wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:29 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:53 pm Sunak really trying to go ahead with restricting strike rights and empowering employers to sue and fire strikers.

Despicable, but not surprising.

Short of rioting all you can do is write to your MP and make sure they're aware of how unacceptable this is. If they receive enough blowback, they'll reign things in.
No-one wants this including employer organisations. Imagine taking the right to strike away or to reduce their ability to take action from workers, all that would happen would be that they would take any number of other less obvious actions to make their point and harm employers even more. This is suicidal from the Tories, it grabs the headlines but is completely inoperable and would create havoc in industrial relations world. Last pathetic gasps from a Gov devoid of any ideas and control over the agenda, whilst the UK burns they fiddle about with maths for 18 year olds and trying to ban strikes. Trying to stoke a them v us agenda and it aint working. Pathetic.
But the bastards are prepared to talk about the 23/24 pay settlement now!!
This legislation won't get through the Lords and more than likely the courts either.
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dpedin wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:29 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:53 pm Sunak really trying to go ahead with restricting strike rights and empowering employers to sue and fire strikers.

Despicable, but not surprising.

Short of rioting all you can do is write to your MP and make sure they're aware of how unacceptable this is. If they receive enough blowback, they'll reign things in.
No-one wants this including employer organisations. Imagine taking the right to strike away or to reduce their ability to take action from workers, all that would happen would be that they would take any number of other less obvious actions to make their point and harm employers even more. This is suicidal from the Tories, it grabs the headlines but is completely inoperable and would create havoc in industrial relations world. Last pathetic gasps from a Gov devoid of any ideas and control over the agenda, whilst the UK burns they fiddle about with maths for 18 year olds and trying to ban strikes. Trying to stoke a them v us agenda and it aint working. Pathetic.
This is something I think they ideologically believe in and their paymasters want it tried just in case it works. At the very least it serves as something to gauge the public appeitite for resistance to attempts at removing workers' rights. They know the jig is up for the next election, so now is the time to start exploring nasty shit they can only pass with the current majority and which either gets left in place and makes the next government look bad or ties up their time deconstructing it.

The maths until 18 thing strikes me as more dead cat-y. Keeping eyes peeled for stuff they're trying to do on the down low while these two dominate the headlines.
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dpedin wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:29 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:53 pm Sunak really trying to go ahead with restricting strike rights and empowering employers to sue and fire strikers.

Despicable, but not surprising.

Short of rioting all you can do is write to your MP and make sure they're aware of how unacceptable this is. If they receive enough blowback, they'll reign things in.
No-one wants this including employer organisations. Imagine taking the right to strike away or to reduce their ability to take action from workers, all that would happen would be that they would take any number of other less obvious actions to make their point and harm employers even more. This is suicidal from the Tories, it grabs the headlines but is completely inoperable and would create havoc in industrial relations world. Last pathetic gasps from a Gov devoid of any ideas and control over the agenda, whilst the UK burns they fiddle about with maths for 18 year olds and trying to ban strikes. Trying to stoke a them v us agenda and it aint working. Pathetic.
The police demonstrated just how damaging a 'work to rule' strategy can be and they didn't even come close to employing all the tactics they could. Restrict the right to strike for everyone else and those tactics will cause greater mayhem than these halfwits could imagine because they have no idea of the realities of work in the public sector.
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Tichtheid wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:58 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:36 pm
PCPhil wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:25 pm It’s now official news. “Nad was a dangerous waste of space”
They make great amplifiers.
My brother had the NAD 3020B - the one with the MM/MC cartridge option.

A classic of its kind, it punched way above its price weight.

He also had a Rega Planar 3 turntable with the S-shaped arm, I replaced the arm and my daughter now uses it.
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This represents the cost of the Tories running down the NHS and failing due to their complete ineptitude and indifference to the people they are supposed to be serving. They know the cost of everything and the value of fuck all. How much longer will folk put up with this shit?

https://news.sky.com/story/excess-death ... e-12780446
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Just like the proposal to bin any regulation tainted by the EU, the anti-strike laws are essentially bedded in two things.

Firstly, as gas been mentioned, the ideological zealots that have somehow found themselves in key Government positions since anyone even vaguely competent or willing to compromise in the name of good governance has been weeded out, allied to the ERG headbangers.

Secondly, it's about doing as much damage to Labour's ability to run the country when the axe falls at the next election. Hand over a smoking ruin and hope that the elecorate's goldfish memory will blame Starmer for the inevitable pain and legislative nightmare, kick him out after one term and a new Tory leader, just as horrible but not tainted, comes in to "clean up the mess Labour has created".
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The worst thing about this is that these Tory fuckers don’t actually understand what productivity is.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:55 pm The worst thing about this is that these Tory fuckers don’t actually understand what productivity is.
Sure they do !

It's other people working harder, for less money (relatively), while those same MPs, get paid more, for less work.

How many days work did those Tory MPs do, while they were fucking about to elect a new Leader who lasted as long as an Election promise ?
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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:49 pm
Biffer wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:55 pm The worst thing about this is that these Tory fuckers don’t actually understand what productivity is.
Sure they do !

It's other people working harder, for less money (relatively), while those same MPs, get paid more, for less work.

How many days work did those Tory MPs do, while they were fucking about to elect a new Leader who lasted as long as an Election promise ?
That’s my point. That’s not productivity, in economic terms.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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The Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen has been suspended from the House of Commons for five days after being found to have breached rules on paid lobbying and declaring interests.

The MP for north-west Leicestershire was found to have repeatedly broken the MPs’ code of conduct by a cross-party committee, which endorsed findings from Kathryn Stone, the parliamentary commissioner for standards.
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
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Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:54 am
The Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen has been suspended from the House of Commons for five days after being found to have breached rules on paid lobbying and declaring interests.

The MP for north-west Leicestershire was found to have repeatedly broken the MPs’ code of conduct by a cross-party committee, which endorsed findings from Kathryn Stone, the parliamentary commissioner for standards.
This will be the same Bridgen MP who lost a recent court case against his family business, when the judge said he clearly lied under oath when giving evidence, asked police to falsely investigate his brother and who has to pay substantive fine? The same Bridgen MP who is going full on anti-vaxer who believes that Invermectin would have saved thousands but was blocked by Big Pharma and that mNRA vaccines are killing people? I wonder what his Serbian Opera singer 2nd wife thinks of him?
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Slimey Shapps in photoshopped photograph, shock horror. Or was it Michael Green?
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That is truly beautiful on so many levels.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Lest we forget!
Several sources reveal the incredulity inside Number 10 at his initial absolute denials to Parliament on December 8 2021, the day after the mock press conference was aired, when he said: “I am sure that whatever happened, the guidance was followed and the rules were followed at all times.”
One source recalls: “We all watched it live and we were just gobsmacked. We all looked at each other and thought ‘why the hell is he saying this?’ We all know it had happened, he knew it happened - he was there.
“We were all just shocked that he would even deny it. He was there. We were there. We were all there together. And suddenly he’s denying it.”
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