Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Sandstorm]

Many will argue that these doctors get paid a lot anyway and why should we change taxes to make it better for them - think about that when you are on the waiting list for an operation or having an operation with a surgeon who hasn't done many of the complex operation you are going to have. In any other industry these guys - who take a minimum of 10-15 years to fully train up would be protected and rewarded as the key earners of the business - currently our Gov just tells them to fuck off!

It's an interesting choice: Govt needs taxes from everyone to pay for the NHS, but taxing doctors just chases them away. If you cut doctors taxes to make them stay in NHS, then surely nurses will want a tax cut next? Then so will the ambulance drivers...............

[Blackmac]

In the NHS there is a pension consultation to address the early retirement issue.
Loads of GPs and NHS staff on the 1995 pension scheme can in the next few years retire at 55.
It's a real issue which may be addressed with some of the new plans. However working conditions mean that tempting people to stay in a failing toxic environment where pay has been eroded will be the main issue.
One of the plans is for returning staff to be able to work more than 16 hours and to introduce partial retirement schemes and allowing people to pay into the new pension scheme on retirement.
I will certainly be looking into the outcome of the consultation.
I think If I can afford it I will be looking at partial retirement in a couple of years and retire fully at 60 at the latest

My wife is going next year at 55. Taking a couple of months off and returning to her post at 20 hours, which is what she works now. Likely for another 3 years. If she can start paying into the Cares scheme she likely will as it builds quite quickly. It would depend on how the treat them when they go after only a few year's contributions to the new scheme.

Only a few folk can retire at 55 ie mental health nurses and medics, in old scheme without incurring an actuarial reduction to their pension. On the old scheme it was retire at 60 without any reductions although you could work on to almost any age you wanted to subject to a ceiling. Subject to employer agreement even those retiring at 60 or older and taking their pension can return to work subject to an earnings limit on pension + salary. However as a retired person superannuation contributions are reduced to 4% to pay into a NEST pension, your employer will also pay 4% - this is a salary sacrifice saving scheme in effect. The main drawback with the new scheme is that it is aligned to the state pension age so although you might build up quicker any amount taken out prior to your state pension age will be subject to an actuarial reduction. It is ok if you plan to work to 66 or 67 or can leave it frozen and don't need the cash in the interim period.

Given the 'baby boom' within the nursing demographic many nurses have already decided to retire on old scheme when they could and to top up wages by working on the internal nurse banks which means they can pick and choose when to work and where they work, avoiding many of the high pressure or physically demanding areas - its hard work for a 60+ nurse! It is known that absence rate goes up by about 1/3% pa once nurses pass the age of 50. This is due to long term health issues mainly due to stress and exhaustion, musculoskeletal and other chronic diseases like diabetes, etc. Many just need a hip of knee replacement due to 30-40 years of walking, bending and lifting every working day = we in effect have run them into the ground. Increasingly thy are working for nurse and doctor agencies such as the biggest in the sector Medacs - which funnily enough is chaired by one Lord Ashcroft a tax exile, a major Tory donor and good mate of the Blonde Bumblecunt.

The problem for GPs and Consultants is the taxation thresholds for both annual and lifetime pension allowances. Given their pension is final salary they have little control over how both increase ie years worked and salary earned. In many cases just by continuing to work full time in the NHS they can exceed either or both and will then get big bills from HMRC. Taking on additional duties or responsibilities will just bring a bigger tax bill. I know of one case where a senior doctor who had worked all his life for NHS was asked to take on a Director role which in turn meant an additional payment - his HMRC bill that year was for in excess of £150k. He retired. The only way for these guys is to reduce tax bills is to reduce their NHS hours and thus reducing their pension years (ie working only 3 days a week = 60% of a pension year). Another way is to volunteer for a wage cut by coming out of scheme and losing the employers contribution to the pension scheme which for these guys is c15% - this would be on top of the real term 11%+ cut in their wages since 2010 . Given many have been in the NHS their whole career then they reach this point about the age of 55, sometimes earlier. The Gov is in effect making these guys pay to come to work for the NHS!

In effect if these senior docs reduce their hours but wish to maintain their salaries but avoid their pension tax bills then they need to find work which is not superannuable or not with the NHS. Setting up a small 'personal services company' or suchlike and then working privately is a route many then go down. This is the Gov in effect providing a steady stream of doctors to staff the private sector.

Many will argue that these doctors get paid a lot anyway and why should we change taxes to make it better for them - think about that when you are on the waiting list for an operation or having an operation with a surgeon who hasn't done many of the complex operation you are going to have. In any other industry these guys - who take a minimum of 10-15 years to fully train up would be protected and rewarded as the key earners of the business - currently our Gov just tells them to fuck off!

PS I am not a doctor!

[Blackmac]

In the NHS there is a pension consultation to address the early retirement issue.
Loads of GPs and NHS staff on the 1995 pension scheme can in the next few years retire at 55.
It's a real issue which may be addressed with some of the new plans. However working conditions mean that tempting people to stay in a failing toxic environment where pay has been eroded will be the main issue.
One of the plans is for returning staff to be able to work more than 16 hours and to introduce partial retirement schemes and allowing people to pay into the new pension scheme on retirement.
I will certainly be looking into the outcome of the consultation.
I think If I can afford it I will be looking at partial retirement in a couple of years and retire fully at 60 at the latest

My wife is going next year at 55. Taking a couple of months off and returning to her post at 20 hours, which is what she works now. Likely for another 3 years. If she can start paying into the Cares scheme she likely will as it builds quite quickly. It would depend on how the treat them when they go after only a few year's contributions to the new scheme.

Only a few folk can retire at 55 ie mental health nurses and medics, in old scheme without incurring an actuarial reduction to their pension. On the old scheme it was retire at 60 without any reductions although you could work on to almost any age you wanted to subject to a ceiling. Subject to employer agreement even those retiring at 60 or older and taking their pension can return to work subject to an earnings limit on pension + salary. However as a retired person superannuation contributions are reduced to 4% to pay into a NEST pension, your employer will also pay 4% - this is a salary sacrifice saving scheme in effect. The main drawback with the new scheme is that it is aligned to the state pension age so although you might build up quicker any amount taken out prior to your state pension age will be subject to an actuarial reduction. It is ok if you plan to work to 66 or 67 or can leave it frozen and don't need the cash in the interim period.

Given the 'baby boom' within the nursing demographic many nurses have already decided to retire on old scheme when they could and to top up wages by working on the internal nurse banks which means they can pick and choose when to work and where they work, avoiding many of the high pressure or physically demanding areas - its hard work for a 60+ nurse! It is known that absence rate goes up by about 1/3% pa once nurses pass the age of 50. This is due to long term health issues mainly due to stress and exhaustion, musculoskeletal and other chronic diseases like diabetes, etc. Many just need a hip of knee replacement due to 30-40 years of walking, bending and lifting every working day = we in effect have run them into the ground. Increasingly thy are working for nurse and doctor agencies such as the biggest in the sector Medacs - which funnily enough is chaired by one Lord Ashcroft a tax exile, a major Tory donor and good mate of the Blonde Bumblecunt.

The problem for GPs and Consultants is the taxation thresholds for both annual and lifetime pension allowances. Given their pension is final salary they have little control over how both increase ie years worked and salary earned. In many cases just by continuing to work full time in the NHS they can exceed either or both and will then get big bills from HMRC. Taking on additional duties or responsibilities will just bring a bigger tax bill. I know of one case where a senior doctor who had worked all his life for NHS was asked to take on a Director role which in turn meant an additional payment - his HMRC bill that year was for in excess of £150k. He retired. The only way for these guys is to reduce tax bills is to reduce their NHS hours and thus reducing their pension years (ie working only 3 days a week = 60% of a pension year). Another way is to volunteer for a wage cut by coming out of scheme and losing the employers contribution to the pension scheme which for these guys is c15% - this would be on top of the real term 11%+ cut in their wages since 2010 . Given many have been in the NHS their whole career then they reach this point about the age of 55, sometimes earlier. The Gov is in effect making these guys pay to come to work for the NHS!

In effect if these senior docs reduce their hours but wish to maintain their salaries but avoid their pension tax bills then they need to find work which is not superannuable or not with the NHS. Setting up a small 'personal services company' or suchlike and then working privately is a route many then go down. This is the Gov in effect providing a steady stream of doctors to staff the private sector.

Many will argue that these doctors get paid a lot anyway and why should we change taxes to make it better for them - think about that when you are on the waiting list for an operation or having an operation with a surgeon who hasn't done many of the complex operation you are going to have. In any other industry these guys - who take a minimum of 10-15 years to fully train up would be protected and rewarded as the key earners of the business - currently our Gov just tells them to fuck off!

PS I am not a doctor!

She is in the old scheme and yes, we accept she will have a reduction in her pension, but it is a choice we are making as it's just not possible for her to work much longer, as 37 years as a staff nurse, continually in wards and recovery environments, is enough to destroy the most resilient of people.

[SaintK]

She is in the old scheme and yes, we accept she will have a reduction in her pension, but it is a choice we are making as it's just not possible for her to work much longer, as 37 years as a staff nurse, continually in wards and recovery environments, is enough to destroy the most resilient of people.

Awesome!!!
That is a fair old shift

[tabascoboy]

Not sure this sends out a positive message to the Tory faithful, if he thinks Uxbridge is no longer a safe seat! And recently given a £1m donation by former Brexit party backer. The twat still thinks he's on the comeback trail with enough backers to be a serious threat

[SaintK]

Loved this down the thread on that post

[Tichtheid]

Loved this down the thread on that post

A triumph, if you can call it that, of self-entitled ambition, duplicity and nepotism over talent, honour and conscientiousness

[Hal Jordan]

over 50s who are economically inactive

That's me, and through choice of being able to support myself in early retirement through occupational pension. Nothing short of impending absolute penury would force me back into work now - 35 years of commuting and the daily grind were quite enough, thanks.

How many employers want to welcome back over 50s, who will reasonably expect to be paid competitively for their age and experience? I can see some work environments being open to solving short term needs in this way, where skilled workers are in short supply and applicants have recent work experience and no doubt there will be takers but it also risks being a kick in the teeth for people with aspiring careers looking to progress and finding their way blocked by returnees?

I have been approached by colleagues at 2 companies saying they are desperate for experienced people and I should apply and return to work. In both cases the expression 'you could do the job with your eyes shut' came up :)

One of these companies has a reputation for being pretty ruthless and there's no way they'd be seeking out older people unless they were missing some particular set of skills that their younger folks don't have.

Don't go kidnapping Dinsdale's daughter.

[Hal Jordan]

Loved this down the thread on that post

The state of his hair.

Money and power are aphrodisiacs and no mistake.

[Sandstorm]

Not sure this sends out a positive message to the Tory faithful, if he thinks Uxbridge is no longer a safe seat! And recently given a £1m donation by former Brexit party backer. The twat still thinks he's on the comeback trail with enough backers to be a serious threat

Won't oust Rushi as Leader of the Opposition surely.....

[Sandstorm]

Don't go kidnapping Dinsdale's daughter.

Good luck

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Don't go kidnapping Dinsdale's daughter.

Good luck

"I will find you and I will bill you"

[tabascoboy]

[SaintK]

Bloody hell. Thaat's just awful
She has the empathy of a rattlesnake
So godawfully tone deaf in her responses as well.
Never mind, the right wing Tory loons love her to bits

[dpedin]

She is in the old scheme and yes, we accept she will have a reduction in her pension, but it is a choice we are making as it's just not possible for her to work much longer, as 37 years as a staff nurse, continually in wards and recovery environments, is enough to destroy the most resilient of people.

Awesome!!!
That is a fair old shift

Agreed! NHS really needs a plan to retain these guys experience but away from the stressful and physically demanding ward roles. These are the folk who keep the whole system going.

[dpedin]

Not sure this sends out a positive message to the Tory faithful, if he thinks Uxbridge is no longer a safe seat! And recently given a £1m donation by former Brexit party backer. The twat still thinks he's on the comeback trail with enough backers to be a serious threat

Won't oust Rushi as Leader of the Opposition surely.....

If Sunak was a real politician then he would use this opportunity to kick the Blonde Bumblecunt in the balls and consign him to electoral wastelands by saying no and let him lose his current seat in Uxbridge. He has to kick him when he is down and then kick him again and again. Giving him an out in any way is signing Sunna's death warrant.

[Tichtheid]

She is in the old scheme and yes, we accept she will have a reduction in her pension, but it is a choice we are making as it's just not possible for her to work much longer, as 37 years as a staff nurse, continually in wards and recovery environments, is enough to destroy the most resilient of people.

Awesome!!!
That is a fair old shift

Agreed! NHS really needs a plan to retain these guys experience but away from the stressful and physically demanding ward roles. These are the folk who keep the whole system going.

Thirded.


Nurses are the best of us.

[Hal Jordan]

Bloody hell. Thaat's just awful
She has the empathy of a rattlesnake
So godawfully tone deaf in her responses as well.
Never mind, the right wing Tory loons love her to bits

Ladder pulling nonentity promoted above her competency (office junior) compensates by attempting to be more heartless than the voting base, forgetting what happens to useful idiots.

[tabascoboy]

Home Office trying to have that video of Braverman taken down...thing is it was a political constituency event for Braverman and the Conservative Party...





The full unedited version is here, the essence of the reply is the same, no apology for the language she uses

[petej]

Home Office trying to have that video of Braverman taken down...thing is it was a political constituency event for Braverman and the Conservative Party...





The full unedited version is here, the essence of the reply is the same, no apology for the language she uses

Can't see why she wants it removed. Those that voted for her last time won't be put off. They are heartless and shitty to current UK citizens so this is hardly surprising. Trying to get it removed will probably result in more people seeing it.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Cruella continues a trend moving away from the position of 'judge me on my actions' to 'please don't take notice of my actions, instead listen to my rhetoric when I'm not being challenged and ideally don't fact check my claims

[Hal Jordan]

Racist Home Office defends racist Home Secretary shock.

[tabascoboy]

[Hal Jordan]

Not Tories, but reason 4,000 as to why The Met should be disbanded.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ial-rapist

A Metropolitan police officer has been revealed as a serial rapist who committed more than 71 serious sexual offences, despite the force being told of repeated allegations over two decades that he was a threat to women.

PC David Carrick, an armed officer in the parliamentary and diplomatic protection command, admitted on Monday to 49 counts – some detailing multiple offences, against 12 women.

The force was told about nine incidents from 2000 to 2021, including eight alleged attacks or clashes Carrick had with women before the arrest that led to his convictions.

No action was taken, with the women either refusing to formally complain or withdrawing their cooperation from the police investigation.

Given what we know about The Met, it seems that this cunt's sole mistake was to commit offences in Hertfordshire so they would investigate, since The Met seems completely indifferent to the wrongdoings of its officers.

But, you know, "One bad apple" and all that.

[SaintK]

Really can't wait for this work of fiction

[Hal Jordan]

Really can't wait for this work of fiction

As a wag has put it, the title should be "Lying In State".

[Biffer]

Not Tories, but reason 4,000 as to why The Met should be disbanded.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ial-rapist

A Metropolitan police officer has been revealed as a serial rapist who committed more than 71 serious sexual offences, despite the force being told of repeated allegations over two decades that he was a threat to women.

PC David Carrick, an armed officer in the parliamentary and diplomatic protection command, admitted on Monday to 49 counts – some detailing multiple offences, against 12 women.

The force was told about nine incidents from 2000 to 2021, including eight alleged attacks or clashes Carrick had with women before the arrest that led to his convictions.

No action was taken, with the women either refusing to formally complain or withdrawing their cooperation from the police investigation.

Given what we know about The Met, it seems that this cunt's sole mistake was to commit offences in Hertfordshire so they would investigate, since The Met seems completely indifferent to the wrongdoings of its officers.

But, you know, "One bad apple" and all that.

I hate the way people use the 'one bad apple' thing as describing an exception. The whole point of the saying is that the bad in spoils the whole barrel. So you've got to get rid of it as quickly as possible.

[fishfoodie]

Parliamentary protection. Hmmmmmm...hmmmmmm

How much dirt to these guys collect on senior Politicians, & others; & is that why they seem to be immune ?

[Lobby]

Parliamentary protection. Hmmmmmm...hmmmmmm

How much dirt to these guys collect on senior Politicians, & others; & is that why they seem to be immune ?

This lad was definitely weird. I would have thought a lads bosses being warned he was a risk to.women would lead to his sacking but decades of it

You’d think they would have noticed that these warnings were mounting up after say the fifth or sixth different time he was accused of sexual harassment, but no, they didn’t even see that there was a pattern developing after the ninth warning.

[C69]

Seems like "Line of Duty" was a documentary.


yes I know most of it was actually loosely based on fact with names changed etc
apart from afew high profile cases that were actually called out

[Slick]

Parliamentary protection. Hmmmmmm...hmmmmmm

How much dirt to these guys collect on senior Politicians, & others; & is that why they seem to be immune ?

This lad was definitely weird. I would have thought a lads bosses being warned he was a risk to.women would lead to his sacking but decades of it

I’d have thought his nickname his colleagues gave him, Dave the Bastard, might have caused someone to look into a bit

[JM2K6]

How much dirt to these guys collect on senior Politicians, & others; & is that why they seem to be immune ?

This lad was definitely weird. I would have thought a lads bosses being warned he was a risk to.women would lead to his sacking but decades of it

You’d think they would have noticed that these warnings were mounting up after say the fifth or sixth different time he was accused of sexual harassment, but no, they didn’t even see that there was a pattern developing after the ninth warning.

I think it's as simple as they don't really give a shit about anyone who isn't a copper

[fishfoodie]

This lad was definitely weird. I would have thought a lads bosses being warned he was a risk to.women would lead to his sacking but decades of it

You’d think they would have noticed that these warnings were mounting up after say the fifth or sixth different time he was accused of sexual harassment, but no, they didn’t even see that there was a pattern developing after the ninth warning.

I think it's as simple as they don't really give a shit about anyone who isn't a copper

That's it entirely !!!!

It doesn't matter where you are; that; Thin Blue Fucking Line, means you can, Rape, Steal, or whatever, & not have to face the consequences that anyone else would.

The Met should be completely dispanded, & then a new, "London Police Service", created, & do a Fire, & Re-Hire on every single position.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Why would a new Met be inherently better than the Met as is?

Which is to say why must the existing one be burned to the ground making 10s of thousands unemployed and reapplying for their job, many who've done nothing wrong, and you've then the vast admin task of wrapping up one entity and folding it into a new one, and that would be even bigger than the met because of the way if operates across the nation in conjunction with other forces and services .

I get wanting changes, I'm not sure spending vast sums to start from scratch is the way to go. Or at least would anyone in favour of that kindly please raise the monies themselves, and work out who'll sign off on any risk entailed in such a transfer

[I like neeps]

Why would a new Met be inherently better than the Met as is?

Which is to say why must the existing one be burned to the ground making 10s of thousands unemployed and reapplying for their job, many who've done nothing wrong, and you've then the vast admin task of wrapping up one entity and folding it into a new one, and that would be even bigger than the met because of the way if operates across the nation in conjunction with other forces and services .

I get wanting changes, I'm not sure spending vast sums to start from scratch is the way to go. Or at least would anyone in favour of that kindly please raise the monies themselves, and work out who'll sign off on any risk entailed in such a transfer

I have to agree.. Any police force is going to attract a decent few nasty pieces of work as the job description is basically a free pass to use force against civilians if you're that way inclined. A good number of police officers just are not publically spirited good guys.

But the whole crime and justice system in this country is f*cked. We don't have enough police officers anyway so a good amount of crime is basically legal, we don't have a police force that can stop online fraud/phishing scams which have to be one of the most common crimes going, the police and courts cannot investigate and prosecute sexual offences such as rape either. And then if you get past all that and someone is imprisoned they go to a massively underfunded prison system, awash with drugs often brought in by officers looking for extra cash and come out either newly or still addicted to drugs and reoffend as they have attended crime university with little if any actual training so that they can gain meaningful employment.

It's totally broken, the only fixes include accepting we've lost the war on drugs and looking to cure addiction, social programs that intervene in offending earlier in the cycle through employment as we know that reduces reoffending. And immediately that's a good number of crime reduction. But the sensibles run in fear of the ghouls at the sun and mail who won't like that and so this dreadful state of affairs will continue.

As an aside if anyone is interested in employment for ex offenders and wants to help I recommend buying coffee from Redemption Roasters and beer from tap social from time to time. Both do great work.

[Biffer]

And let's not forget that even if it goes to court with a good case, it'll probably be three or four years before it gets to court.

[Blackmac]

Sadly the Met has been a cesspit for decades and getting worse by the year. Their recruitment and vetting has always been questionable. It was a regular occurrence for applicants roundly rejected from Scottish police forces to then walk into the Met and transfer back up after a few years with little or no additional vetting as that wasn't allowed as they were already serving. Often you would come across these pricks and think "how the fuck did this clown get in".
In my whole service in the Scottish police I can only think of a handful of cases where an officer was charged or convicted of a sexual or domestic assault, and I cannot think of one of those who didn't get sacked. When you hear that there are currently 800 Met officers currently under investigation for sexual and domestic offences, and over 1000 serving officers with convictions, it fucking defies belief and makes my blood boil.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Sadly the Met has been a cesspit for decades and getting worse by the year. Their recruitment and vetting has always been questionable. It was a regular occurrence for applicants roundly rejected from Scottish police forces to then walk into the Met and transfer back up after a few years with little or no additional vetting as that wasn't allowed as they were already serving. Often you would come across these pricks and think "how the fuck did this clown get in".
In my whole service in the Scottish police I can only think of a handful of cases where an officer was charged or convicted of a sexual or domestic assault, and I cannot think of one of those who didn't get sacked. When you hear that there are currently 800 Met officers currently under investigation for sexual and domestic offences, and over 1000 serving officers with convictions, it fucking defies belief and makes my blood boil.

Corporate culture always comes from the top. It is difficult to change but can be done.

The problem is the leadership has to want to change. We've recently had Cressida Dick in charge for several years who, like her predecessors, response to problems in the Met has alway been 'there are no problems in the Met'

[tabascoboy]

[dpedin]

Braverman usually plays the man/woman instead of the ball because she is a feckin useless Cnut! It's all she has and all she will give, the lack of self awareness and false superiority is fairly typical of this current bunch of clusterfuck of a Gov.