Eddie Jones - Gaslighting and Mansplaining

[Kawazaki]

Two recent articles in The Telegraph are both examples of Jones managing the media, the RFU and managing the Barbour gin-swillers.

Here he explains why hes a dreadful selector;
https://archive.ph/zRtPJ

Here he explains that he doesn't know what he's doing;
https://archive.ph/GMnpq


He's a world-class grifter. I'll give him full credit for that.

[Insane_Homer]

Here he is explaining why he's a great Nr.2

[SaintK]

Two recent articles in The Telegraph are both examples of Jones managing the media, the RFU and managing the Barbour gin-swillers.

Here he explains why hes a dreadful selector;
https://archive.ph/zRtPJ

Here he explains that he doesn't know what he's doing;
https://archive.ph/GMnpq


He's a world-class grifter. I'll give him full credit for that.

I don't bother reading those articles/interviews with him anymore.
I'm sick to death with him!!!!

[JM2K6]

Here he is explaining why he's a great Nr.2

Perfect role for him. Gets to add some ingenuity to the usually smooth-brained Saffer setup, gets to have no genuine responsibility or authority, and gets to claim success afterwards.

[JM2K6]

That cloak-and-dagger thing is hilarious. Ah yes Eddie, no-one knew what South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, or England were going to try and do in matches to win World Cups

I wish he'd fucking stop treating us like Japan.

[sockwithaticket]

Here he is explaining why he's a great Nr.2

For a 6 month period.

It'a fair to say he had a great short term impact on England, but the longer he's been there the more inconsistent we've become both in terms of performance and results with the whole endeavour looking increasingly muddled. There's also been a level of back room staff and coaching turnover that I've never seen at international level.

[Paddington Bear]

Here he is explaining why he's a great Nr.2

For a 6 month period.

It'a fair to say he had a great short term impact on England, but the longer he's been there the more inconsistent we've become both in terms of performance and results with the whole endeavour looking increasingly muddled. There's also been a level of back room staff and coaching turnover that I've never seen at international level.

Pretty much. 2016 was a breath of fresh air, plan was clear into 2019 and went pretty well all things considered, completely incoherent since then

[Biffer]

I love how much his record against Scotland really pisses him off, but he won't admit that it does.

[Paddington Bear]

I love how much his record against Scotland really pisses him off, but he won't admit that it does.

If I was manhandled and called a 'chinky cunt' by fans of a certain side I probably wouldn't be their biggest fans either

[Uncle fester]

A new Eddie bashing thread?

[Torquemada 1420]

I love how much his record against Scotland really pisses him off, but he won't admit that it does.

If I was manhandled and called a 'chinky cunt' by fans of a certain side I probably wouldn't be their biggest fans either

I thought you were plain old paleface?

[Calculon]

I love how much his record against Scotland really pisses him off, but he won't admit that it does.

If I was manhandled and called a 'chinky cunt' by fans of a certain side I probably wouldn't be their biggest fans either

WTF, he's not even a chink

[Niegs]

I love how much his record against Scotland really pisses him off, but he won't admit that it does.

If I was manhandled and called a 'chinky cunt' by fans of a certain side I probably wouldn't be their biggest fans either

WTF, he's not even a chink

Not like racists can even get their insults correct.

[Kawazaki]

This is the most damning criticism I've seen written about Jones by somebody that knows him. Could have been written by me to be fair...

Former Wallabies boss Alan Jones has slammed Rugby Australia for appointing Eddie Jones as the country’s head coach in a scathing column.

Alan Jones coached the Wallabies between 1984 and 1987 before taking charge of rugby league side Balmain Tigers, and worked in broadcasting in Australia.

No due diligence
In his column for the Express, Jones slammed Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan for doing no due diligence before firing Dave Rennie and hiring Eddie Jones.

“Clearly, no due diligence was done on a person, previously sacked by Rugby Australia,” Jones wrote.

“The lack of process must raise questions about the whole Rugby Australia Board.”

Jones added that McLennan’s rugby knowledge is limited before he turned his attention to the new Wallabies boss.

“The last time he coached an Australian team he was sacked, in 2005, after seven straight losses,” he wrote

“At that time, the leading Wallabies complained that he was too prescriptive and had killed their spontaneity.

“It is also widely known, inside the game, that he had pushed his assistant coach, Ewan McKenzie, so hard, that McKenzie ended up in a mental health ward during the 2003 World Cup campaign.”

‘I can’t tolerate people.’
The former Wallabies coach’s most considerable criticism of Jones was his perceived lack of remorse, likening him to a person with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD).

“He clearly displays character traits that psychologists would align with someone living with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD),” Jones wrote.

“People with this condition are also commonly referred to as “sociopaths” or ‘psychopaths’.

“People with ASPD are controlling, aggressive and show no guilt or remorse for their destructive behaviour.

“In a nutshell, people with sociopathy may have little empathy and a habit of rationalising their actions but they know the difference between right and wrong.

“Psychopaths have no sense of morality or empathy.

“People with ASPD, both sociopaths and psychopaths, find it challenging to maintain friendships and working relationships.

“Hence the quote by Eddie Jones, ‘I can’t tolerate people.’

“Does this auger well for Australian rugby?

“If the coach displays traits like low empathy, low emotional intelligence, a lack of concern for the wellbeing of others, a tendency to intimidate and threaten in order to maintain control, a difficulty in learning from mistakes – is Eddie Jones your ideal coach in 2023?”

Eddie Jones hasn’t changed
The 81-year-old claimed that Eddie Jones hadn’t changed since his first tenure in charge of the Wallabies, using quotes from Dylan Hartley to emphasise his point.

He added that it was right for Jones to demand dedication, discipline and control but believes that ‘you don’t have to be a savage to be a winning coach.’

“Rugby Australia has a duty of care to the players and back room staff,” Alan Jones wrote.

“It is obvious that I don’t believe RA have made the right decision and I question the competence of Hamish McLennan to run our game.”

He continued writing that he takes exception to how Jones treats people and that he only gets away with it because he has won enough games.

“Eddie Jones can’t be blamed for escaping scrutiny and being rewarded with an unadvertised job which once was regarded as the best coaching trophy in the rugby world; but history would suggest this will end at great financial cost to Australia; but what will be the cost to rugby which, in Australia, is already at its lowest ebb ever,” he added.

“We all would want Eddie Jones to succeed, but history suggests the casualties, along the way, will outweigh the triumphs.”

[Guy Smiley]

Alan Jones is a poisonous old queen who has enjoyed a privileged position in Australia through his media reach… he nurtures grudges as a matter of course. Not a nice person at all.

[Kawazaki]

Alan Jones is a poisonous old queen who has enjoyed a privileged position in Australia through his media reach… he nurtures grudges as a matter of course. Not a nice person at all.

Sounds like a case of takes a Jones to know a Jones.

[Guy Smiley]

Alan Jones is a poisonous old queen who has enjoyed a privileged position in Australia through his media reach… he nurtures grudges as a matter of course. Not a nice person at all.

Sounds like a case of takes a Jones to know a Jones.

I'm no fan of Eddie but I wouldn't stoop to including him in the same boat as Alan Jones.

[Kawazaki]

What about the Ewan MacKenzie revelation?

I wouldn't know Alan Jones if he delivered my milk but it looks like he was coaching Australia when Eddie Jones would have been trying to get in the Australian team.


And surely this is as accurate and succinct an epitaph for Eddie Jones's career as you'll see...

"History suggests the casualties, along the way, will outweigh the triumphs.”

[Guy Smiley]

What about the Ewan MacKenzie revelation?

I wouldn't know Alan Jones if he delivered my milk but it looks like he was coaching Australia when Eddie Jones would have been trying to get in the Australian team.


And surely this is as accurate and succinct an epitaph for Eddie Jones's career as you'll see...

"History suggests the casualties, along the way, will outweigh the triumphs.”

What Ewan MacKenzie revelation is that?

Alan Jones coached the Wallabies to their first NH Grand Slam and he's dined out on that ever since. While I admit it's not entirely relevant to the topic, his infliuence within Oz media circles has resulted in details of his highly questionable private life being suppressed for years. Grooming schoolboys, writing love letters to at least one and soliciting for sex in a public toilet in the UK before being an outspoken campaigner against same sex marriage and various gay causes suggest he is at the very least a hypocrite...and harbours a mean streak more toxic than the lower reaches of the Ganges could ever dream of being.

he might strike a chord with regard to Eddie or anyone else for that matter, but it's an easy target to hit and even a stopped clock will be right twice a day.

[Kawazaki]

What Ewan MacKenzie revelation is that?

So you didn't read anything above?

[Guy Smiley]

What Ewan MacKenzie revelation is that?

So you didn't read anything above?

The Alan Jones piece... MacKenzie put into a 'mental health ward. during the 03 RWC?


Why have we never heard of this until now?

Who uses the term 'mental health ward' in this day and age? Who used it in 03. for that matter?



I have friends and acquaintances in Australia who work in the field of mental health. No-one talks about 'mental health wards'. It's residential facility if anything.

Ok... you made me read an Alan Jones piece. My eyes hurt now, as if someone threw hot ash into them.

[Kawazaki]

Who uses the term 'mental health ward' in this day and age?

An 81 year old.

[Uncle fester]

Is he the "died of shame" guy?

[Guy Smiley]

Is he the "died of shame" guy?

Yeah. Tie her in a chaff bag and dump her at sea.

[MungoMan]

A reminder of just who it is we are dicussing.

[Kawazaki]

A reminder of just who it is we are dicussing.

This guy.

[MungoMan]

A reminder of just who it is we are dicussing.

This guy.

Eddie is a deeply annoying rugby coach.

Jones is an all-court, all-weather cunt.

[Kawazaki]

A reminder of just who it is we are dicussing.

This guy.

Eddie is a deeply annoying rugby coach.

Jones is an all-court, all-weather cunt.

Australian rugby coaches with the surname Jones.

Avoid at all costs.

[Guy Smiley]

A reminder of just who it is we are dicussing.

This guy.

Eddie is a deeply annoying rugby coach.

Jones is an all-court, all-weather cunt.

[Tichtheid]

I'd give Aussie coaches with the name Williams a wide berth too.

[SaintK]

A reminder of just who it is we are dicussing.

This guy.

Eddie is a deeply annoying rugby coach.

Jones is an all-court, all-weather cunt.

Thankfully he's no longer our all-court, all-weather cunt anymore

[Ymx]

Hard to tell who is worse, Eddie or his new team.

[Niegs]

[Gumboot]

Grooming schoolboys, writing love letters to at least one and soliciting for sex in a public toilet in the UK before being an outspoken campaigner against same sex marriage and various gay causes suggest he is at the very least a hypocrite...and harbours a mean streak more toxic than the lower reaches of the Ganges could ever dream of being.

I once swallowed a mouthful of river water at the ghats in Varanasi, with all sorts of nasty stuff floating around nearby. Shat myself for days.

[average joe]

Always look at the positive. At least you lost some weight.

[Guy Smiley]

Grooming schoolboys, writing love letters to at least one and soliciting for sex in a public toilet in the UK before being an outspoken campaigner against same sex marriage and various gay causes suggest he is at the very least a hypocrite...and harbours a mean streak more toxic than the lower reaches of the Ganges could ever dream of being.

I once swallowed a mouthful of river water at the ghats in Varanasi, with all sorts of nasty stuff floating around nearby. Shat myself for days.

By rights, you should be floating in that on your back with all four limbs in the air

[sockwithaticket]

Non-paywall version.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fw ... -losing%2F

The opening paragraph made me laugh.

Pennyhill Park, where England are preparing to face Scotland, has been infiltrated by a Netflix crew this week. If producers capture the charisma of Kyle Sinckler, rugby union will earn new fans. It is that simple.

If producers spend enough time with Sinckler they'll find out what a nut Saviour World has turned him into and put him on screen as little as possible.

[JM2K6]

I understood the importance of opportunity and I guess – well, I know – that without Eddie, I wouldn't be playing for England.

Fair fucks, he's a loyal bloke but that's some horseshit

[Kawazaki]

Non-paywall version.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fw ... -losing%2F

I think a bit of vomit came up while I was reading that.

[Slick]

I thought it was fine actually, some good stuff