The Brexit Thread

[Camroc2]

Irish exports to the UK comprise 10% of our total exports and is a falling figure. Agricultural exports to the UK comprise a third of that figure (ie 3 % or so of total exports, or about € 5 bn pa). However, because of the nature of agriculture, all of the farming and much of the agricultural processing takes place outside of the major cities, and is very important to those rural areas, which wouldn't have much other industry.

No doubt, our agricultural sector will face problems, as historically we have supplied the UK with meat and butter. And we will continue to do so, although Irish beef will become very expensive due to tariffs. We will be looking to replace British (especially Scottish) produce on EU markets, as they will suffer from the same tariff problem, giving Irish produce a price advantage in what will continue to be our home market, the EU.

I would be worried for British agriculture, if there is no deal, having to compete on home and export markets with world price food, much of it not produced to the standards insisted upon by the EU, and all of it much cheaper than Uk produced food. Britain won't have an agricultural industry quite quickly, and what is now marginal farming land will be sold to people rich enough to farm it for its landscape - like the Scottish highlands.

If that's the way the UK wants to go fine, but the last time the UK pursued such a cheap food policy, she had an empire to send her the raw agricultural produce, and a food industry to process those raw materials. That is not the case now.

[Line6 HXFX]

Don't forget Cummings job isn't to advance Brexit, the Tories or anything else, it's to undermine public confidence in the government, the parliamentary system and the judiciary to the point where it is either utterly ineffective or the public demands something else. He might be be the Grima Wormtongue of this Government but he isn't the Saruman, that's some utter shitbags over in the US.

Interesting article here, this guy has read everything Cummings has written in the last decade.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... servatives

[The sun god]

Don't forget Cummings job isn't to advance Brexit, the Tories or anything else, it's to undermine public confidence in the government, the parliamentary system and the judiciary to the point where it is either utterly ineffective or the public demands something else. He might be be the Grima Wormtongue of this Government but he isn't the Saruman, that's some utter shitbags over in the US.

Interesting article here, this guy has read everything Cummings has written in the last decade.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... servatives

Interesting read alright and he is undoubtedly trying to rid himself of his Arts graduate stereotype in order to morph into a more serious Science and 'hard sums' project manager for the good of himself, I have no doubt.

Until proved otherwise though, I am inclined to agree with the more colorful description of him by Sir Roger Gale...... a foul-mouthed oaf.

[Camroc2]

Wrong thread.

[Zig]

I grew up being taught the English were a bunch of aggressive, entitled, exploitative cunts. Then I met some, and they're actually ok.

Brexit has brought out the worst in some of them. I just want this shit over so we can go back to moaning about useless Aussie/Kiwis coming over taking our jobs. :)

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The wheat crop in the UK if not exactly failing is coming in well below expectations, this will bump the cost of flour, Brexit is also set to increase the cost of importing flour. Win win for someone probably, feck knows who

[tabascoboy]

^ Those who deal in wheat commodity futures?

[Bimbowomxn]

The wheat crop in the UK if not exactly failing is coming in well below expectations, this will bump the cost of flour, Brexit is also set to increase the cost of importing flour. Win win for someone probably, feck knows who

Our own crop issues are nothing compared to the fire in the port of London a short while ago.

Our crop has been aimed at “feed” level proteins for some time.

Also low yields in and around the Black Sea.

Brexit doesn’t affect our main import markets in any way.

[fishfoodie]

The wheat crop in the UK if not exactly failing is coming in well below expectations, this will bump the cost of flour, Brexit is also set to increase the cost of importing flour. Win win for someone probably, feck knows who

https://www.bcfta.org.uk/content/large/ ... t_note.pdf

WTO Tariff on Flour is ~30%, & the UK is/was a Net exporter. The prediction already was that WTO Tariff would eliminate any exports, as uneconomic.

[Bimbowomxn]

The wheat crop in the UK if not exactly failing is coming in well below expectations, this will bump the cost of flour, Brexit is also set to increase the cost of importing flour. Win win for someone probably, feck knows who

https://www.bcfta.org.uk/content/large/ ... t_note.pdf

WTO Tariff on Flour is ~30%, & the UK is/was a Net exporter. The prediction already was that WTO Tariff would eliminate any exports, as uneconomic.

We would still have to pay and import for some time as well as we don’t produce high enough protein wheat.

The market will adjust.

[spike]

The wheat crop in the UK if not exactly failing is coming in well below expectations, this will bump the cost of flour, Brexit is also set to increase the cost of importing flour. Win win for someone probably, feck knows who

We produce about 10 million tonnes of wheat in the UK worst case, of which c 2.5% is exported, and much less imported. So there's the scale of the issue.

[Ovals]

The wheat crop in the UK if not exactly failing is coming in well below expectations, this will bump the cost of flour, Brexit is also set to increase the cost of importing flour. Win win for someone probably, feck knows who

We produce about 10 million tonnes of wheat in the UK worst case, of which c 2.5% is exported, and much less imported. So there's the scale of the issue.

Shouldn't be a problem with our wheat crop this year, believed to be down by as much as 40% - we won't be exporting anyway.

[fishfoodie]

The wheat crop in the UK if not exactly failing is coming in well below expectations, this will bump the cost of flour, Brexit is also set to increase the cost of importing flour. Win win for someone probably, feck knows who

We produce about 10 million tonnes of wheat in the UK worst case, of which c 2.5% is exported, and much less imported. So there's the scale of the issue.

Shouldn't be a problem with our wheat crop this year, believed to be down by as much as 40% - we won't be exporting anyway.

This Brexit shit just got real .... that means the price of beer is going up next year; as you'll have to import more grain

[Glaston]

Fishfoodie, UK is not Belgium.
Wheat beer is not a thing here.

The Spring malting barley crop is supposedly pretty good this year

[fishfoodie]

Fishfoodie, UK is not Belgium.
Wheat beer is not a thing here.

The Spring malting barley crop is supposedly pretty good this year

that's lucky; often when one grain harvest is in a bad way, they all do.

[Insane_Homer]

thanks Brexit for emboldening these racist assholes.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit- ... ?r=US&IR=T

UK companies fear food shortages as Boris Johnson's government misses deadline for new Brexit labelling rules

Thousands of British food businesses could be left without the correct labelling required to continue selling to the European Union and Northern Ireland after the UK government missed an industry deadline to advise them on what new rules they will have to follow.

Britain will leave the EU's trading rules at the end of this year, after which the labels that British food and drink businesses use will no longer be legally recognised on the continent.

UK trade associations repeatedly warned Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government that the end of August was the absolute deadline for issuing guidance that will allow them to produce new labels in time for January 1.

However, with just four months to go, they are still waiting for clarity from the UK government on the labelling rules they will have to follow in 2021.

[Bimbowomxn]

Another day of Carole Cadwallers twitter feed.

[Insane_Homer]

An ad hominem argument is a personal attack against the source, rather than against the argument itself.

made more pathetic when the idiot doing it incorrectly assumes the source

[Rhubarb & Custard]

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit- ... ?r=US&IR=T

UK companies fear food shortages as Boris Johnson's government misses deadline for new Brexit labelling rules

Thousands of British food businesses could be left without the correct labelling required to continue selling to the European Union and Northern Ireland after the UK government missed an industry deadline to advise them on what new rules they will have to follow.

Britain will leave the EU's trading rules at the end of this year, after which the labels that British food and drink businesses use will no longer be legally recognised on the continent.

UK trade associations repeatedly warned Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government that the end of August was the absolute deadline for issuing guidance that will allow them to produce new labels in time for January 1.

However, with just four months to go, they are still waiting for clarity from the UK government on the labelling rules they will have to follow in 2021.

Road hauliers getting very nervous too. The UK government is still hoping it can get a deal, albeit we can't be told what deal 'cause that has to be a secret, and thus hasn't wanted to and still isn't paying to cover problems arising out of no deal, though that still leaves the hauliers in perpetual panic. If anything Covid has emboldened HMG in that even through the pandemic the country has maintained supply lines and they're taking that to mean other emergencies would quickly see enough solutions found, and one assumes bollocks to the cost and binning any idea of taking back control.

[Bimbowomxn]

An ad hominem argument is a personal attack against the source, rather than against the argument itself.

made more pathetic when the idiot doing it incorrectly assumes the source

Apparently a respected journalist feed is an “ad hominem” now. Although of course “the idiot” is one. Are you going to report yourself IH?

All rather desperate.

[La soule]

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit- ... ?r=US&IR=T

UK companies fear food shortages as Boris Johnson's government misses deadline for new Brexit labelling rules

Thousands of British food businesses could be left without the correct labelling required to continue selling to the European Union and Northern Ireland after the UK government missed an industry deadline to advise them on what new rules they will have to follow.

Britain will leave the EU's trading rules at the end of this year, after which the labels that British food and drink businesses use will no longer be legally recognised on the continent.

UK trade associations repeatedly warned Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government that the end of August was the absolute deadline for issuing guidance that will allow them to produce new labels in time for January 1.

However, with just four months to go, they are still waiting for clarity from the UK government on the labelling rules they will have to follow in 2021.

Road hauliers getting very nervous too. The UK government is still hoping it can get a deal, albeit we can't be told what deal 'cause that has to be a secret, and thus hasn't wanted to and still isn't paying to cover problems arising out of no deal, though that still leaves the hauliers in perpetual panic. If anything Covid has emboldened HMG in that even through the pandemic the country has maintained supply lines and they're taking that to mean other emergencies would quickly see enough solutions found, and one assumes bollocks to the cost and binning any idea of taking back control.

As you know the modus operandi is "Fuck business"

And the the British people

[fishfoodie]

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit- ... ?r=US&IR=T

Road hauliers getting very nervous too. The UK government is still hoping it can get a deal, albeit we can't be told what deal 'cause that has to be a secret, and thus hasn't wanted to and still isn't paying to cover problems arising out of no deal, though that still leaves the hauliers in perpetual panic. If anything Covid has emboldened HMG in that even through the pandemic the country has maintained supply lines and they're taking that to mean other emergencies would quickly see enough solutions found, and one assumes bollocks to the cost and binning any idea of taking back control.

As you know the modus operandi is "Fuck business"

And the the British people

It's not so much that the Tories; believe in fucking business; it's more the failure of the UKs obvious, & idiotic tactic to try & get the EU to give them a load of side deals; to make their "No Deal", less painful. This is why there is increased crying lately about Barnier sticking rigidly to the sequencing the EU demanded; & not agreeing anything for Haulage licenses, food labelling, etc, etc. Remember article 50, "all deals cease"; the EU has been preparing, why hasn't the UK ?

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Road hauliers getting very nervous too. The UK government is still hoping it can get a deal, albeit we can't be told what deal 'cause that has to be a secret, and thus hasn't wanted to and still isn't paying to cover problems arising out of no deal, though that still leaves the hauliers in perpetual panic. If anything Covid has emboldened HMG in that even through the pandemic the country has maintained supply lines and they're taking that to mean other emergencies would quickly see enough solutions found, and one assumes bollocks to the cost and binning any idea of taking back control.

As you know the modus operandi is "Fuck business"

And the the British people

It's not so much that the Tories; believe in fucking business; it's more the failure of the UKs obvious, & idiotic tactic to try & get the EU to give them a load of side deals; to make their "No Deal", less painful. This is why there is increased crying lately about Barnier sticking rigidly to the sequencing the EU demanded; & not agreeing anything for Haulage licenses, food labelling, etc, etc. Remember article 50, "all deals cease"; the EU has been preparing, why hasn't the UK ?

It's not clear why we haven't been preparing, but we haven't for no deal and we haven't for Covid returning in the winter because we seemingly hope the problems go away and then we'd have wasted money on preparing for scenarios that don't exist. And yet we see Times reporters being fired for not being positive enough about assertions from Boris that problems will magically go away in the face of his ignorance, laziness and bluster rather than a push to callout his rancid bullshit

[fishfoodie]

As you know the modus operandi is "Fuck business"

And the the British people

It's not so much that the Tories; believe in fucking business; it's more the failure of the UKs obvious, & idiotic tactic to try & get the EU to give them a load of side deals; to make their "No Deal", less painful. This is why there is increased crying lately about Barnier sticking rigidly to the sequencing the EU demanded; & not agreeing anything for Haulage licenses, food labelling, etc, etc. Remember article 50, "all deals cease"; the EU has been preparing, why hasn't the UK ?

It's not clear why we haven't been preparing, but we haven't for no deal and we haven't for Covid returning in the winter because we seemingly hope the problems go away and then we'd have wasted money on preparing for scenarios that don't exist. And yet we see Times reporters being fired for not being positive enough about assertions from Boris that problems will magically go away in the face of his ignorance, laziness and bluster rather than a push to callout his rancid bullshit

A couple of months ago I think they asked the pharma supply chain to rebuild the 6 week buffer they had prepared for the potential crash out on Jan 1st; the business came back to the Government & said that it would be impossible to rebuild it in time, because of the impacts of Covid, & the short time to prepare.

Keep in mind; this discussion happened before the deadline for requesting an extension, & before the HoC fucked off on holidays !

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54021421

Brexit: UK 'sleepwalking into disaster' over border plans, hauliers warn

The UK is "sleepwalking into a disaster" over its border plans for the end of the Brexit transition period on 31 December, road hauliers have warned.

Groups representing truckers have written to ministers warning of "severe" disruption to supply chains.

Rod McKenzie, from the Road Haulage Association, said the government should "act now before it's too late".

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said they were working to ensure the "best systems are in place" at the border.

The government has also given itself powers to build temporary lorry parks in England without local approval.

But Mr McKenzie told BBC News: "It is a real case of the government sleepwalking to a disaster with the border preparations that we have, whether it is a deal or no-deal Brexit at the end of December.

[shereblue]

As you know the modus operandi is "Fuck business"

And the the British people

It's not so much that the Tories; believe in fucking business; it's more the failure of the UKs obvious, & idiotic tactic to try & get the EU to give them a load of side deals; to make their "No Deal", less painful. This is why there is increased crying lately about Barnier sticking rigidly to the sequencing the EU demanded; & not agreeing anything for Haulage licenses, food labelling, etc, etc. Remember article 50, "all deals cease"; the EU has been preparing, why hasn't the UK ?

It's not clear why we haven't been preparing, but we haven't for no deal and we haven't for Covid returning in the winter because we seemingly hope the problems go away and then we'd have wasted money on preparing for scenarios that don't exist. And yet we see Times reporters being fired for not being positive enough about assertions from Boris that problems will magically go away in the face of his ignorance, laziness and bluster rather than a push to callout his rancid bullshit

Slightly off topic but I was disappointed to read about Collins being booted out of the Times. I had seen it as broadly centre right but with a liberal approach to the range of opinions it would publish. I like Guardian-type opinions as part of the panoply but it is predictable in supporting Labour and rather smug and bien pensant. Is there no printed media left that acts unwhipped by our scummy main parties?

[shereblue]

It's not so much that the Tories; believe in fucking business; it's more the failure of the UKs obvious, & idiotic tactic to try & get the EU to give them a load of side deals; to make their "No Deal", less painful. This is why there is increased crying lately about Barnier sticking rigidly to the sequencing the EU demanded; & not agreeing anything for Haulage licenses, food labelling, etc, etc. Remember article 50, "all deals cease"; the EU has been preparing, why hasn't the UK ?

It's not clear why we haven't been preparing, but we haven't for no deal and we haven't for Covid returning in the winter because we seemingly hope the problems go away and then we'd have wasted money on preparing for scenarios that don't exist. And yet we see Times reporters being fired for not being positive enough about assertions from Boris that problems will magically go away in the face of his ignorance, laziness and bluster rather than a push to callout his rancid bullshit

Slightly off topic but I was disappointed to read about Collins being booted out of the Times. I had seen it as broadly centre right but with a liberal approach to the range of opinions it would publish. I like Guardian-type opinions as part of the panoply but it is predictable in supporting Labour and a little too smug and bien pensant. Is there no printed media remaining that acts un-whipped by our scummy main parties? The Economist perhaps but that can be rather dull.

[Steve]

best thing uk has ever done..... 50 % just don't realise it yet

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-0c2 ... 0c75a2f7a7

UK plan to undermine withdrawal treaty puts Brexit talks at risk

That is, renege on a deal that's not even a year old.

[fishfoodie]

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-0c2 ... 0c75a2f7a7

UK plan to undermine withdrawal treaty puts Brexit talks at risk

That is, renege on a deal that's not even a year old.

The usual UK Brexit, strategy.

[tabascoboy]

Strategy? We have a strategy?

[Line6 HXFX]

I am so fucking dispirited by Brexit. To think most of my family and friends voted for it, and my mum even convinced my Mrs to vote for it.



It was the 70 million Turks thing, that were coming here that convinced a lot of people I know.

They all regret it now...apart from one particularly stubborn bastard.

He has moved to the "its Brexit" sarcastic response.

Like blaming Brexit for things, is already just a boring cliche, even though Brexit is so obviously to blame for shit.


Hey it worked for Thatcherites and Thatcherism.

[yermum]

The wheat crop in the UK if not exactly failing is coming in well below expectations, this will bump the cost of flour, Brexit is also set to increase the cost of importing flour. Win win for someone probably, feck knows who

Cargill glencore et al...

[Hal Jordan]

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-0c2 ... 0c75a2f7a7

UK plan to undermine withdrawal treaty puts Brexit talks at risk

That is, renege on a deal that's not even a year old.

The usual UK Brexit, strategy.

The thing is, that worked. We're Taggart and the posse when confronted with the Le Petomane Thruway.

[sturginho]

best thing uk has ever done..... 50 % just don't realise it yet

Whose multi is this?

[fishfoodie]

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-0c2 ... 0c75a2f7a7



That is, renege on a deal that's not even a year old.

The usual UK Brexit, strategy.

The thing is, that worked. We're Taggart and the posse when confronted with the Le Petomane Thruway.

The marvellous thing is; that by pulling this bullshit, the UK have completely validated the Irish Governments position, that the UK couldn't be trusted; which some of the EU27 thought was us just being paranoid.

This Baldric of a plan also; if it does make it into UK Law; also allows a whole series of legal actions; by NI residents, as well as by the EU in the International Court, & the EU no longer looks like the bad guy, if they decide to block the UKs WTO schedules, & take any other actions it feels necessary.

[Hal Jordan]

Who would have said that Johnson might be untrustworthy? Honestly, I never thought it possible.

[Insane_Homer]

Leadership is resigning over a deal then voting twice against it before voting for it before saying it was awful before coming up with your own deal then saying there was no time to scrutinise it then saying it’s oven ready before saying it makes no sense.

https://t.co/hgpLtI4f90

[sturginho]

Leadership is resigning over a deal then voting twice against it before voting for it before saying it was awful before coming up with your own deal then saying there was no time to scrutinise it then saying it’s oven ready before saying it makes no sense.

https://t.co/hgpLtI4f90

So May's deal was bad, Johnson's deal was bad, it's almost as though the Tories are a bunch of incompetents who don't know how to negotiate