Private equity funders in bidding war for Super TT Rugby 2022

[Ellafan]

Our lad Hamish knows how to generate the content broadcasters want. NZ participation welcomed, but not indispensable.

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/08/1 ... 021-update

[Ellafan]

It seems clear now, that the NZR power grab has failed.

They will not bribe two Oz teams into their parochial little villiage competition.

Nor will their demand for a larger share of the broadcast pie for brand All Bleck in the NH, succeed, as they thought they were entitled per Shag Hansen. Basically, they have been told to get fucked.

The last word is they have tried, and failed, to white ant the force, interfering in RA's business behind it's back, and get their grubby hands on Twiggy's PE fund.

Good bye NZ rugby, you used to be honourable.

[Green light echo]

It seems clear now, that the NZR power grab has failed.

They will not bribe two Oz teams into their parochial little villiage competition.

Nor will their demand for a larger share of the broadcast pie for brand All Bleck in the NH, succeed, as they thought they were entitled per Shag Hansen. Basically, they have been told to get fucked.

The last word is they have tried, and failed, to white ant the force, interfering in RA's business behind it's back, and get their grubby hands on Twiggy's PE fund.

Good bye NZ rugby, you used to be honourable.

Yup, let's be honest here, the have been right arrogant cunts for quite some time. The cheek of it. They should remember who puts food on their table.

[Ellafan]

Amid noises from the east suggesting a backdown, or at least a re-writing of recent history, it looks like next year will be same same as 2020... and then a full TT comp in 2022.

A new Super Rugby competition with five teams from Australia is still a possibility, with New Zealand Rugby open-minded on how any teams take part...

There is a pragmatic recognition that all parties are currently operating in an information vacuum, with uncertainty around what the Covid-19 landscape will look like, and what Australia can bring to the table from a broadcast-dollar perspective....

Crucially, though, there is no hard and fast position at the top of NZ Rugby that Rugby Australia must slice teams such as the Melbourne Rebels from the competition, despite the Aratipu review’s preference for an 8-10 team model...

Instead, a re-run of Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby AU is increasingly likely, especially with ratings for the former competition booming.

But far from this being a disaster, it is being viewed as a potential opportunity for Australia's younger players to develop at their own pace in preparation for a full launch of a trans-Tasman/Pacific competition the following year.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sup ... teams?rm=a

[Carter's Choice]

Amid noises from the east suggesting a backdown, or at least a re-writing of recent history, it looks like next year will be same same as 2020... and then a full TT comp in 2022.

A new Super Rugby competition with five teams from Australia is still a possibility, with New Zealand Rugby open-minded on how any teams take part...

There is a pragmatic recognition that all parties are currently operating in an information vacuum, with uncertainty around what the Covid-19 landscape will look like, and what Australia can bring to the table from a broadcast-dollar perspective....

Crucially, though, there is no hard and fast position at the top of NZ Rugby that Rugby Australia must slice teams such as the Melbourne Rebels from the competition, despite the Aratipu review’s preference for an 8-10 team model...

Instead, a re-run of Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby AU is increasingly likely, especially with ratings for the former competition booming.

But far from this being a disaster, it is being viewed as a potential opportunity for Australia's younger players to develop at their own pace in preparation for a full launch of a trans-Tasman/Pacific competition the following year.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sup ... teams?rm=a

So eventually a ten team TT comp? What most fair minded and reasonable posters have predicted would eventuate all along, once all the dick-waving and false machismo from RA and online Aussie trolls settled down?

[Ellafan]

Actually it is a result of NZR's strong-arm ultimatum tactics backfiring, which included trying to go round RA and talk to the states direct. But you already know that, and so does NZR because they are now trying to rewrite recent history. Apparently it was all just a "suggestion"

.... New Zealand has quietly pulled back in its endeavours to pressure Australia to cut teams.

The planning for a slimmed down post Covid-19 competition, which reached such an intensity that New Zealand Rugby tried to circumvent its Australian counterpart by approaching the states directly, is now being portrayed in a more conciliatory tone on the Kiwi side of the Tasman.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... enty-to-do

[Guy Smiley]

Who to believe?




Rewriting recent history

[Quade]

I think NZ should be thanked.

No one would have foreseen Australian rugby being united so soon after the recent debacles. The new comp is going great. Fans are happy.

[Guy Smiley]

You’ll go back to hating each other when the distraction is over. You lot hate anything that’s not you.

[stemoc]

one thing we learned from Super Rugby AU, the Western Force is not a good team, maybe RA can do the one thing NZRU doesn't have the balls to do, keep the current5 teams, add a team each from Fiji, Tonga and Samoa and add 2 more teams either from within Australia (a top ranked shute shield team) or add 2 from Japan or North America..a 10 team competition divided into 2 pools can work, the top 2 in each pools then play in the semis

[Ellafan]

With NZR signalling it will accept 5 AU teams last week, things are solidifying.

TT 12 team comp in 2022 is gaining momentum - - - and private equity funding with the beginnings of a bidding war.

Private equity giants CVC Capital and Silver Lake appear to be on a collision course for a share of the trans-Tasman rugby competition which now seems certain to go ahead with five teams apiece from Australia and New Zealand, but not until 2022.All indications are that New Zealand Rugby has swallowed its reservations about the lack of depth across the five Australian Super Rugby franchises and is expected to sign on for a 12-team competition model, with Japan and a Pasifika team also coming in to round off the package. But because of continuing uncertainty around COVID-19 and the fact Australia and NZ are both are having to make regular adjustments to their biosecurity precautions, the trans-Tasman model is not to be introduced until the 2022 season.

There already has been considerable speculation that if another season of Super Rugby AU is played, a sixth team, the Sunwolves of Japan, might be brought in for added variety.

In that event, it would also make sense for a Pasifika side to join the New Zealand competition next year to ensure that all 12 teams would be fully up to speed by the time the 2022 season arrives. But for that to happen, World Rugby would need to stop making pious statements about the need to give Pacific Island rugby a helping hand and actually come through with sufficient funds to get a team up and running.

McLennan has made no secret that he believes there is already competitive tension among private equity firms and that is certain to intensify now that the trans-Tasman competition model looks set to be green-lit.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/ ... news-story

[Carter's Choice]

I've said all along it will start off as a 10 team TT comp featuring 5 each from NZ and Au. That was just common sense.

[Ymx]

I enjoyed the Supe Aotearoa way more than the previous Supe with Oz/SA teams.

Sounds as though the Aussies have enjoyed their own comp.

I personally want it to stay as it is.

[Lemoentjie]

I think to match the 5 NZ teams, the Aussies would have to reduce to either 2 or 3 domestic teams. Otherwise they don't have the concentration of talent to be competitive with the NZ teams.

[Ellafan]

I think to match the 5 NZ teams, the Aussies would have to reduce to either 2 or 3 domestic teams. Otherwise they don't have the concentration of talent to be competitive with the NZ teams.

Thank you for your input.

[Chilli]

I think that Australia should compete in their own Domestic competition.

The nly countries who have benefited from the expanded Super Rugby are New Zealand and Argentina.

[Ellafan]

I think that Australia should compete in their own Domestic competition.

The nly countries who have benefited from the expanded Super Rugby are New Zealand and Argentina.

Do you mean competitively or financially?

And don't say that SA money somehow propped up other SANZAAR partners, that false assertion has been well and truly disproved now.

[Chilli]

I think that Australia should compete in their own Domestic competition.

The nly countries who have benefited from the expanded Super Rugby are New Zealand and Argentina.

Do you mean competitively or financially?

And don't say that SA money somehow propped up other SANZAAR partners, that false assertion has been well and truly disproved now.

Competitively. Australian Rugby has gone backwards and will continue to do so if the teams keep on getting hammered by a New Zealand team every weekend.

I have never said that SA money has been propping up SANZAAR. The SA money has been propping up the Kings and other minor SA unions like the Valke, Border, Pumas and WP.

[Ellafan]

Competitively. Australian Rugby has gone backwards and will continue to do so if the teams keep on getting hammered by a New Zealand team every weekend.

News flash - this is the NZ McKinsey report party line that actually ignores the form of Au teams pre-covid this year. Even NZR has given up on pushing it.

Could someone please tell Chilli what those results were.

It also ignores the fact that in the 2022 SRTT-12, they won't play a NZ team every weekend.

It further ignores the fact that there are going to be six NZR teams, diluting their strength a bit, because everyone knows the pacifika team is just a cunning plan to get WR to pay for a 6th NZ franchise based in Auckland. Now that we are getting a combined TT front organized, I fully support my ANZAC cousins' worthy support for this new team.

[Ata Rangi]

Competitively. Australian Rugby has gone backwards and will continue to do so if the teams keep on getting hammered by a New Zealand team every weekend.

News flash - this is the NZ McKinsey report party line that actually ignores the form of Au teams pre-covid this year.

Are you confusing the Aratipu and McKinsey reports?

[Ellafan]

Competitively. Australian Rugby has gone backwards and will continue to do so if the teams keep on getting hammered by a New Zealand team every weekend.

News flash - this is the NZ McKinsey report party line that actually ignores the form of Au teams pre-covid this year.

Are you confusing the Aratipu and McKinsey reports?

No.

[Ata Rangi]

News flash - this is the NZ McKinsey report party line that actually ignores the form of Au teams pre-covid this year.

Are you confusing the Aratipu and McKinsey reports?

No.

Ok, thanks. That wasn’t my understanding on the focus of each report. Do you have any links to the findings of the McKinsey report concerning the weakness of the Aussie teams? I had been under the impression that came out of the NZR efforts.

[Ellafan]

Are you confusing the Aratipu and McKinsey reports?

No.

Ok, thanks. That wasn’t my understanding on the focus of each report. Do you have any links to the findings of the McKinsey report concerning the weakness of the Aussie teams? I had been under the impression that came out of the NZR efforts.

Have you got a copy of the actual report?

It's pretty obvious where the 8 team proposal came from. The consistency of language, and emphasis in resourcing, regarding the 5 NZ super franchises is all you need to see.

And the local private investors wanted more local derbies.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/a ... d=12312298

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/r ... w-findings

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/r ... kiwi-teams

[murdoch]

Competitively. Australian Rugby has gone backwards and will continue to do so if the teams keep on getting hammered by a New Zealand team every weekend.

News flash - this is the NZ McKinsey report party line that actually ignores the form of Au teams pre-covid this year. Even NZR has given up on pushing it.

Could someone please tell Chilli what those results were.

Lol imagine bragging about 2 wins from 7 games.

[Ata Rangi]

No.

Ok, thanks. That wasn’t my understanding on the focus of each report. Do you have any links to the findings of the McKinsey report concerning the weakness of the Aussie teams? I had been under the impression that came out of the NZR efforts.

Have you got a copy of the actual report?

It's pretty obvious where the 8 team proposal came from. The consistency of language, and emphasis in resourcing, regarding the 5 NZ super franchises is all you need to see.

And the local private investors wanted more local derbies.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/a ... d=12312298

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/r ... w-findings

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/r ... kiwi-teams

None if those links help advance your point I’m afraid but I do respect the cultural relevance of your “vibe” fallback.

My understanding is that the McKinsey report was focused on the internal organization elements and relationship with the Franchisees. It was the Arapitu team who came up with the competition changes and the observations on the lack of strength in Australian teams.

[Ata Rangi]

Competitively. Australian Rugby has gone backwards and will continue to do so if the teams keep on getting hammered by a New Zealand team every weekend.

News flash - this is the NZ McKinsey report party line that actually ignores the form of Au teams pre-covid this year. Even NZR has given up on pushing it.

Could someone please tell Chilli what those results were.

Lol imagine bragging about 2 wins from 7 games.

TBF the Brumbies were traveling well, despite the home loss to the Highlanders. The problem is the small sample size, the Waratahs were the only team to play more than a couple of Kiwi teams.

[Masterji]

The simple fact is that whether they do it individually or jointly, neither tournament will be financially viable. NZ are too strong for Australia and bar the odd hiccup, they always will be. I wouldnt rule out SA who also have the same problem.

[Chilli]

Competitively. Australian Rugby has gone backwards and will continue to do so if the teams keep on getting hammered by a New Zealand team every weekend.

News flash - this is the NZ McKinsey report party line that actually ignores the form of Au teams pre-covid this year. Even NZR has given up on pushing it.

Could someone please tell Chilli what those results were.

It also ignores the fact that in the 2022 SRTT-12, they won't play a NZ team every weekend.

It further ignores the fact that there are going to be six NZR teams, diluting their strength a bit, because everyone knows the pacifika team is just a cunning plan to get WR to pay for a 6th NZ franchise based in Auckland. Now that we are getting a combined TT front organized, I fully support my ANZAC cousins' worthy support for this new team.

So being poes klapped by a New Zealand team every second weekend will be a good thing for Australian Rugby then.

[Kiap]

So being poes klapped by a New Zealand team every second weekend will be a good thing for Australian Rugby then.

Are you a Cheetahs supporter?

[Carter's Choice]

The simple fact is that whether they do it individually or jointly, neither tournament will be financially viable. NZ are too strong for Australia and bar the odd hiccup, they always will be. I wouldnt rule out SA who also have the same problem.

Australia has already won four titles in SR. And there is no reason to think they won't be able to add to that tally in the future given it looks like Australian Rugby is entering a Golden Age due to the emergence of a hyper-talented generation of youngsters.

[Chilli]

So being poes klapped by a New Zealand team every second weekend will be a good thing for Australian Rugby then.

Are you a Cheetahs supporter?

Ironically yes

[Chilli]

The simple fact is that whether they do it individually or jointly, neither tournament will be financially viable. NZ are too strong for Australia and bar the odd hiccup, they always will be. I wouldnt rule out SA who also have the same problem.

Australia has already won four titles in SR. And there is no reason to think they won't be able to add to that tally in the future given it looks like Australian Rugby is entering a Golden Age due to the emergence of a hyper-talented generation of youngsters.

Trolls gonna be trolling.

[Ellafan]

None if those links help advance your point I’m afraid but I do respect the cultural relevance of your “vibe” fallback.

My understanding is that the McKinsey report was focused on the internal organization elements and relationship with the Franchisees. It was the Arapitu team who came up with the competition changes and the observations on the lack of strength in Australian teams.

The links were about the local derbies.

Have you seen a copy of the actual McKinsey report?

[Steve]

Game is gone worldwide. No one cares anymore

[Guy Smiley]

We don't need acidic negative little grubs like you on this thread. Go somewhere else and talk about NZ rugby you tiresome piece of shit.

[Ellafan]

So, no-one has the actual mckinsey thing?


Jeez.

[MungoMan]

So being poes klapped by a New Zealand team every second weekend will be a good thing for Australian Rugby then.

Are you a Cheetahs supporter?

Ironically yes

You poor bugger.

Meself, I used to enjoy watching the Cheetahs play the Reds at Suncorp. And they get 11/10 from me for practising line out drills in public (Anzac Square, central Brissie and probably adjacent to their hotel),

[Chilli]

Are you a Cheetahs supporter?

Ironically yes

You poor bugger.

Meself, I used to enjoy watching the Cheetahs play the Reds at Suncorp. And they get 11/10 from me for practising line out drills in public (Anzac Square, central Brissie and probably adjacent to their hotel),

Thanks.......

I really hope that they make it into whatever new competition SA Rugby goes into.

[MungoMan]

Ironically yes

You poor bugger.

Meself, I used to enjoy watching the Cheetahs play the Reds at Suncorp. And they get 11/10 from me for practising line out drills in public (Anzac Square, central Brissie and probably adjacent to their hotel),

Thanks.......

I really hope that they make it into whatever new competition SA Rugby goes into.

Ditto. I found them a great team to watch.

[Sandstorm]

So, no-one has the actual mckinsey thing?


Jeez.

I guess not many people consider it worthy of a read.