Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Line6 HXFX]

Turns out the BBC, in a internal report, concluded that by neglecting to point out that deficits and debt in a complicated functioning western economy, is nothing like a household budget or a credit card, is massively responsible for the 50 year, intergenerational economic collapse and decline we now face.
Allowing Osboune and Cameron to constantly repeat the lie about deficits and debt, allowed them to usher in massive austerity, unchallenged, that created the societal destruction, resentment and anger, which largely lead to brexit.

I mean I am not a journalist but I was pointing out the false equivalence as soon as it was happenning 12 years ago.
This is where all the shit started, that you can tell your grandkids, when they ask why we are still fucked in 25 years.

Tories had nothing to jam in our faces, after trickle down ecominics was shown and proven to be bollocks, and when even David Cameron said he didn't believe in it, so were desperate for some other bullshit to try to prevent us taxing them until they have to all fuck off, and flee the country after the 2008 global crash.

There is still time btw.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... k-politics

[tabascoboy]

Blimey, is the Speaker growing a pair and doing what he's supposed to at last?

[Torquemada 1420]

[Torquemada 1420]

Blimey, is the Speaker growing a pair and doing what he's supposed to at last?

Did he call Starmer "Prime Minister"?

[SaintK]

Blimey, is the Speaker growing a pair and doing what he's supposed to at last?

Gullis is a shitstain of a human being should have been called out in The House a long time ago
Bet the Head Prefect was somewhat put out with Mr Speaker practising calling Starmer "Prime Minister"

[SaintK]

I'm sure Mad Nad will be as hard hitting as Andrew Neil

The former culture secretary Nadine Dorries is to host her own Friday night talk show on TalkTV and her first programme will feature an exclusive interview with Boris Johnson.
Dorries is the latest former Conservative cabinet minister to get a television show after the fall of Johnson’s government.

Fortunately there will only be a couple of dozen people watching while the fat slug spews his lies

[Lobby]

I'm sure Mad Nad will be as hard hitting as Andrew Neil

The former culture secretary Nadine Dorries is to host her own Friday night talk show on TalkTV and her first programme will feature an exclusive interview with Boris Johnson.
Dorries is the latest former Conservative cabinet minister to get a television show after the fall of Johnson’s government.

Fortunately there will only be a couple of dozen people watching while the fat slug spews his lies

I’d have thought Mad Nad sucking up to Boris would be more suited to Television X than Talk TV

[C69]

That astonishing that there is a market for that. Its actually astonishing

Tbh Sky news now looks just a bit right wing compared with this channel and GB News

[Biffer]

I'm sure Mad Nad will be as hard hitting as Andrew Neil

The former culture secretary Nadine Dorries is to host her own Friday night talk show on TalkTV and her first programme will feature an exclusive interview with Boris Johnson.
Dorries is the latest former Conservative cabinet minister to get a television show after the fall of Johnson’s government.

Fortunately there will only be a couple of dozen people watching while the fat slug spews his lies

I’d have thought Mad Nad sucking up to Boris would be more suited to Television X than Talk TV

I'm more expecting her to kneel down and suck him off.

[tabascoboy]

"New Tory civil war"? We can but hope...

[Tichtheid]

preparing for Westminster return?

Where has she been for three months and who has been her constituency's MP for that time?

[Slick]

"New Tory civil war"? We can but hope...

She is truly mental if she thinks she can come back from that

[Tichtheid]

"New Tory civil war"? We can but hope...

She is truly mental if she thinks she can come back from that

At the end of Q4 last year she had a 10% approval rating on Yougov. 10%!

18% were neutral.

That is 28% of people asked who really should be taking a long hard look at themselves, or maybe they were mixing her up with someone else.

I know that there are those who would vote for particular parties no matter what, but it's been thirteen years of this shit from a long line of worsening nonentities who have no talent for the jobs in government and no motivation seemingly beyond their own personal ambition.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

That astonishing that there is a market for that. Its actually astonishing

Tbh Sky news now looks just a bit right wing compared with this channel and GB News

You don't need a huge view base to be influential, which might be what they're seeking. Today for instance on the BBC (radio4) can get only around half a million, but is hugely influential given who listens and who cares about who listens

[_Os_]

So what are we actually looking at now?

This time last year I was fairly convinced that the Tories would be in power into the 2030s, their electoral coalition just never reacted to anything, polling was always above 30%. The combination of dog whistle bigotry delivered in Johnson "gags" (for the stupid), empty boosterism slogans (also for the stupid), and every policy being weighted in favour of those aged 60+ (their core constituency), just looked unbreakable. Even post Johnson it looked potentially viable, until Truss did a Pearl Harbour on the Tory's own constituency somehow attacking both house prices (through increased interest rates, made worse by her policies, which the Tories are now carrying the entire blame for) and pensions.

Events etc ... this time last year I was wrong and the Tories now look fucked. They're even losing the stupid vote, Reform UK are on 5% to 9%.

I'm noticing a lot of the commentary isn't really happening under the assumption "the Tories are fucked" though. It seems to instead assume somehow the Tories turn it around in the polling, the Tories somehow don't get crushed in a GE, losing badly but not that badly. That's the general vibe. Sunak is out of his depth though, and everyone available to him is one of corrupt/incompetent/unknown/moronic. He's also hamstrung by something I thought would happen, having a near billionaire as Tory party leader and PM, is just too easy a target. It's not obvious how the Tories claw back ground in the polling.

So as things stand the outcome in a GE in about a year and half, looks like the Tories getting 19%-25%, and being wiped out with under 100 seats. They'll have so few seats they'll be struggling to fill a shadow front bench, select committees, and have backbenchers in the Commons asking questions. 19%-25% of the vote will translate into about 10%-15% of the seats, and many people will feel unrepresented as Labour implements their manifesto almost literally unopposed.

Have to wonder what happens to the UK right under conditions where the Tories are annihilated. There has the be a risk the large swivel eyed component in the Tory membership drags their party further into the populist/stupid/bigoted madhouse, "something something, Brexit has been betrayed and something immigration". Or the Tories lose enough of their stupid vote (and the swivel eyed members) to some party to the right of them, for them to have to fight a quite hopeless battle against them as they slowly bleed out.

Looking at what the Tory billionaire backers are running with in the Telegraph/Mail/Express, and the new shitholes that are Talk TV/GB News. If the Tories suffer a huge defeat, it's not looking likely that they'll respond by rationally taking responsibility and becoming more moderate.

[tabascoboy]

What exactly is James Cleverly doing to earn his keep as Foreign Secretary? Is BJ just grandstanding or has he actually been sub rosa given the role and allowed forget completely about his own constituents while being funded even more at the tax payers expense?

[fishfoodie]

Ian Dunt has a good article which rather nails the Brexit mess.

Brexit will join Suez and Iraq in the great pantheon of catastrophic British errors

It's not just the Brexit was a mistake, & the type of Brexit, but also the time wasted on it, & now the desperate taping of dildos to donkey heads, to convince voters they'll get their Unicorns !

[I like neeps]

What exactly is James Cleverly doing to earn his keep as Foreign Secretary? Is BJ just grandstanding or has he actually been sub rosa given the role and allowed forget completely about his own constituents while being funded even more at the tax payers expense?

Big dog is on the comeback trail using Ukraine as his own very own Churchill moment. The kind of man he is using someone else's war for his own cosplay. Also Liz Truss is coming back. I, for one, can't wait for the Tory party to fatally rip itself apart over the coming year. It's been a long time since the brexit referendum, but it's been inevitable ever since.

[Hal Jordan]

Never write the Tories off. They have been gerrymandering, disenfranchising and generally neutering the Electoral Commission to ensure the impact of people voting for any other Party is minimised.

And, unlike Labour, the Tories always bury the skeletons and malcontents at election time to present a united front to the electorate. They are no less factional than Labour, but they prefer to fight each other whilst in power rather than be a morally pure opposition.

[PCPhil]

Never write the Tories off. They have been gerrymandering, disenfranchising and generally neutering the Electoral Commission to ensure the impact of people voting for any other Party is minimised.

And, unlike Labour, the Tories always bury the skeletons and malcontents at election time to present a united front to the electorate. They are no less factional than Labour, but they prefer to fight each other whilst in power rather than be a morally pure opposition.

Spot on. Some the loonies on the fringes of the labour party would rather see a tory government they can complain about than an ‘impure’ leftish one.

[tabascoboy]

[I like neeps]

Never write the Tories off. They have been gerrymandering, disenfranchising and generally neutering the Electoral Commission to ensure the impact of people voting for any other Party is minimised.

And, unlike Labour, the Tories always bury the skeletons and malcontents at election time to present a united front to the electorate. They are no less factional than Labour, but they prefer to fight each other whilst in power rather than be a morally pure opposition.

Not this time though, they're various factions are irreconcilable. They won't be a united front after 4 years of internal fighting like rats in the sack.

Also the Tories had an electoral offering, they sold the family silver for people to feel wealthier with Thatcher, they cleaned up the mess (admittedly they made) with Major (they won't do that), with Cameron and May you had housing wealth run out of kilter with everything and that made a lot of people on paper significantly wealthier (at the expense of a functioning country) and Boris you had that + get brexit done. They offer nothing good. They're done.

[JM2K6]

So what are we actually looking at now?

This time last year I was fairly convinced that the Tories would be in power into the 2030s, their electoral coalition just never reacted to anything, polling was always above 30%. The combination of dog whistle bigotry delivered in Johnson "gags" (for the stupid), empty boosterism slogans (also for the stupid), and every policy being weighted in favour of those aged 60+ (their core constituency), just looked unbreakable. Even post Johnson it looked potentially viable, until Truss did a Pearl Harbour on the Tory's own constituency somehow attacking both house prices (through increased interest rates, made worse by her policies, which the Tories are now carrying the entire blame for) and pensions.

Events etc ... this time last year I was wrong and the Tories now look fucked. They're even losing the stupid vote, Reform UK are on 5% to 9%.

I'm noticing a lot of the commentary isn't really happening under the assumption "the Tories are fucked" though. It seems to instead assume somehow the Tories turn it around in the polling, the Tories somehow don't get crushed in a GE, losing badly but not that badly. That's the general vibe. Sunak is out of his depth though, and everyone available to him is one of corrupt/incompetent/unknown/moronic. He's also hamstrung by something I thought would happen, having a near billionaire as Tory party leader and PM, is just too easy a target. It's not obvious how the Tories claw back ground in the polling.

So as things stand the outcome in a GE in about a year and half, looks like the Tories getting 19%-25%, and being wiped out with under 100 seats. They'll have so few seats they'll be struggling to fill a shadow front bench, select committees, and have backbenchers in the Commons asking questions. 19%-25% of the vote will translate into about 10%-15% of the seats, and many people will feel unrepresented as Labour implements their manifesto almost literally unopposed.

Have to wonder what happens to the UK right under conditions where the Tories are annihilated. There has the be a risk the large swivel eyed component in the Tory membership drags their party further into the populist/stupid/bigoted madhouse, "something something, Brexit has been betrayed and something immigration". Or the Tories lose enough of their stupid vote (and the swivel eyed members) to some party to the right of them, for them to have to fight a quite hopeless battle against them as they slowly bleed out.

Looking at what the Tory billionaire backers are running with in the Telegraph/Mail/Express, and the new shitholes that are Talk TV/GB News. If the Tories suffer a huge defeat, it's not looking likely that they'll respond by rationally taking responsibility and becoming more moderate.

This is the biggest problem. The USA's politics have always been insane but what really created the current state of awfulness is a desparate right wing moving further right to "energise" the base. It's a straight line from Sarah Palin & the Tea Party all the way through to Q-Anon and Marjorie Taylor Greene. No matter how much of the original shift was a cold-eyed political calculation with no real sharing of beliefs with the people they were pandering to, they lost control of it and now the crazies are in charge of a giant political machine with a huge media reach that's already happy to debase themselves for money and power.

It's going to get worse before it gets better.

[Slick]

Happy Fucking Friday

[JM2K6]

Sorry, I got a bit gloomy after the Twitter Algorithm gleefully threw right wing reactionaries in my face and then the Quins board were all "DID YOU KNOW THAT THESE DAYS, THEY THROW YOU IN JAIL JUST FOR THINKING ABOUT SINGING DELILAH?" and the state of the world felt quite bleak

[Hal Jordan]

So what are we actually looking at now?

This time last year I was fairly convinced that the Tories would be in power into the 2030s, their electoral coalition just never reacted to anything, polling was always above 30%. The combination of dog whistle bigotry delivered in Johnson "gags" (for the stupid), empty boosterism slogans (also for the stupid), and every policy being weighted in favour of those aged 60+ (their core constituency), just looked unbreakable. Even post Johnson it looked potentially viable, until Truss did a Pearl Harbour on the Tory's own constituency somehow attacking both house prices (through increased interest rates, made worse by her policies, which the Tories are now carrying the entire blame for) and pensions.

Events etc ... this time last year I was wrong and the Tories now look fucked. They're even losing the stupid vote, Reform UK are on 5% to 9%.

I'm noticing a lot of the commentary isn't really happening under the assumption "the Tories are fucked" though. It seems to instead assume somehow the Tories turn it around in the polling, the Tories somehow don't get crushed in a GE, losing badly but not that badly. That's the general vibe. Sunak is out of his depth though, and everyone available to him is one of corrupt/incompetent/unknown/moronic. He's also hamstrung by something I thought would happen, having a near billionaire as Tory party leader and PM, is just too easy a target. It's not obvious how the Tories claw back ground in the polling.

So as things stand the outcome in a GE in about a year and half, looks like the Tories getting 19%-25%, and being wiped out with under 100 seats. They'll have so few seats they'll be struggling to fill a shadow front bench, select committees, and have backbenchers in the Commons asking questions. 19%-25% of the vote will translate into about 10%-15% of the seats, and many people will feel unrepresented as Labour implements their manifesto almost literally unopposed.

Have to wonder what happens to the UK right under conditions where the Tories are annihilated. There has the be a risk the large swivel eyed component in the Tory membership drags their party further into the populist/stupid/bigoted madhouse, "something something, Brexit has been betrayed and something immigration". Or the Tories lose enough of their stupid vote (and the swivel eyed members) to some party to the right of them, for them to have to fight a quite hopeless battle against them as they slowly bleed out.

Looking at what the Tory billionaire backers are running with in the Telegraph/Mail/Express, and the new shitholes that are Talk TV/GB News. If the Tories suffer a huge defeat, it's not looking likely that they'll respond by rationally taking responsibility and becoming more moderate.

This is the biggest problem. The USA's politics have always been insane but what really created the current state of awfulness is a desparate right wing moving further right to "energise" the base. It's a straight line from Sarah Palin & the Tea Party all the way through to Q-Anon and Marjorie Taylor Greene. No matter how much of the original shift was a cold-eyed political calculation with no real sharing of beliefs with the people they were pandering to, they lost control of it and now the crazies are in charge of a giant political machine with a huge media reach that's already happy to debase themselves for money and power.

It's going to get worse before it gets better.

It usually takes a war of some kind to remind everyone of how fucking stupid populist jingoism is.

[SaintK]

Holy shit!! She's absolutely delusional!!!

Liz Truss is breaking her silence as she blames a "powerful economic establishment" and her own Conservative Party for her downfall.
The former prime minister says that she stands by her radical policy agenda but "the forces against it were too great" for it to succeed.

https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https:// ... -economy/

[I like neeps]

Holy shit!! She's absolutely delusional!!!

Liz Truss is breaking her silence as she blames a "powerful economic establishment" and her own Conservative Party for her downfall.
The former prime minister says that she stands by her radical policy agenda but "the forces against it were too great" for it to succeed.

https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https:// ... -economy/

This is great for Labour, keep it in the news that Liz Truss cratered the economy and is to blame for the house price decrease and mortgage increase. Also the loons in her party will back her, others are rallying behind Big Dog. The Tory "sensibles" have all been purged or left. Full loony civil war shortly followed. The Tories have f*cked their electoral coalition and have absolutely no ideas as their economic policies have failed three successive times and they all hate each other. Superb.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Holy shit!! She's absolutely delusional!!!

Liz Truss is breaking her silence as she blames a "powerful economic establishment" and her own Conservative Party for her downfall.
The former prime minister says that she stands by her radical policy agenda but "the forces against it were too great" for it to succeed.

https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https:// ... -economy/

Delusional.

The 'powerful economic establishment' being 'everybody in the world who deals with this stuff day to day'

If the global market thinks you are a moron, then there is a decent chance that you are, in fact, a moron.

[PCPhil]

That fvkin commie Sunak and the rest of the socialist establishment.

[Hal Jordan]

That fvkin commie Sunak and the rest of the socialist establishment.

Damn hedge fund managers, endlessly quoting Marx and waving Little Red Books around.

[PCPhil]

She’d have got away with it if it hadn’t been for those pesky financiers.

I’m just wondering how much more she can dig before she pops out in NZ. You can have her

[C T]

Holy shit!! She's absolutely delusional!!!

Liz Truss is breaking her silence as she blames a "powerful economic establishment" and her own Conservative Party for her downfall.
The former prime minister says that she stands by her radical policy agenda but "the forces against it were too great" for it to succeed.

https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https:// ... -economy/

She's quite, quite mad.

What she done to the UK economy was so irresponsible that it should carry some form of jail term.

It's ridiculous that a person's name can legitimately appear alongside huge events that have hit us hard. Brexit, Covid, Russian invasion and Liz Truss.

She crashed the economy of course not necessarily down to the crazy ideology, but because they didn't (and couldn't seem to) explain how they would fill the massive hole that the policies would leave.

It's just such negligence.

All driven by an obsession of how little time she had to make her mark in the history books. Destined for greatness, such ego.

Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a position to do such damage again.

[tabascoboy]

Holy shit!! She's absolutely delusional!!!

Liz Truss is breaking her silence as she blames a "powerful economic establishment" and her own Conservative Party for her downfall.
The former prime minister says that she stands by her radical policy agenda but "the forces against it were too great" for it to succeed.

https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https:// ... -economy/

She's quite, quite mad.

What she done to the UK economy was so irresponsible that it should carry some form of jail term.

It's ridiculous that a person's name can legitimately appear alongside huge events that have hit us hard. Brexit, Covid, Russian invasion and Liz Truss.

She crashed the economy of course not necessarily down to the crazy ideology, but because they didn't (and couldn't seem to) explain how they would fill the massive hole that the policies would leave.

It's just such negligence.

All driven by an obsession of how little time she had to make her mark in the history books. Destined for greatness, such ego.

Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a position to do such damage again.

Not quite sure what the Torygraph are doing here publishing this, is it just "right of reply" or are they really sore that she didn't get to see it through? ( "it" being total, unmitigated disaster in this case )

[I like neeps]

Holy shit!! She's absolutely delusional!!!

https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https:// ... -economy/

She's quite, quite mad.

What she done to the UK economy was so irresponsible that it should carry some form of jail term.

It's ridiculous that a person's name can legitimately appear alongside huge events that have hit us hard. Brexit, Covid, Russian invasion and Liz Truss.

She crashed the economy of course not necessarily down to the crazy ideology, but because they didn't (and couldn't seem to) explain how they would fill the massive hole that the policies would leave.

It's just such negligence.

All driven by an obsession of how little time she had to make her mark in the history books. Destined for greatness, such ego.

Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a position to do such damage again.

Not quite sure what the Torygraph are doing here publishing this, is it just "right of reply" or are they really sore that she didn't get to see it through? ( "it" being total, unmitigated disaster in this case )

Sore she didn't see it through, they're the biggest truss cheerleaders out there.

Telegraph - Truss, Times/Sun/Mail - Johnson.

[I like neeps]

Ha! Hardly Frost Nixon but still funny. I bet Truss wasn't expecting a hardball question on her comeback tour.

[fishfoodie]

"There was this bus coming in my direction, & all I could think of to stop it was to throw my biggest supporter under it's wheels"

In other news, Rishi's latest bright idea/piece of red meat for the ERG, isn't looking like such a great idea.

[Hal Jordan]

The ERG don't care. They would burn the Houses of Parliament to the ground if it had the words "Europe" anywhere associated with it.

[dpedin]

Ha! Hardly Frost Nixon but still funny. I bet Truss wasn't expecting a hardball question on her comeback tour.

She is a feckin deluded crackpot! The Tories need to fit her with a pair of concrete wellies and dump her somewhere asap.

[C69]

Ha! Hardly Frost Nixon but still funny. I bet Truss wasn't expecting a hardball question on her comeback tour.

She is a feckin deluded crackpot! The Tories need to fit her with a pair of concrete wellies and dump her somewhere asap.

She represents large swathes of the Party.
I hope she goes for it and destroys the Tories.
It's delicious