Stop voting for fucking Tories

[tabascoboy]

This is going well!

As of today, a source has said, the total number of applications via a central government website, which are then passed on to councils, is slightly below 16,000, indicating a continued lack of public awareness about the new rules.

Voter ID will be used nationally for the first time in the UK outside Northern Ireland at local elections on 4 May, just 12 weeks away. If the current rate of about 5,000 applications a week fails to pick up, that would mean around 75,000 certificates being issued overall, less than 4% of the official estimate of 2 million voters who do not have useable ID.

Wonder how much applications for postal voting has increased by...

[Raggs]

This is going well!

As of today, a source has said, the total number of applications via a central government website, which are then passed on to councils, is slightly below 16,000, indicating a continued lack of public awareness about the new rules.

Voter ID will be used nationally for the first time in the UK outside Northern Ireland at local elections on 4 May, just 12 weeks away. If the current rate of about 5,000 applications a week fails to pick up, that would mean around 75,000 certificates being issued overall, less than 4% of the official estimate of 2 million voters who do not have useable ID.

Going exactly as well as the tories were hoping I imagine.

[I like neeps]

This is going well!

As of today, a source has said, the total number of applications via a central government website, which are then passed on to councils, is slightly below 16,000, indicating a continued lack of public awareness about the new rules.

Voter ID will be used nationally for the first time in the UK outside Northern Ireland at local elections on 4 May, just 12 weeks away. If the current rate of about 5,000 applications a week fails to pick up, that would mean around 75,000 certificates being issued overall, less than 4% of the official estimate of 2 million voters who do not have useable ID.

Going exactly as well as the tories were hoping I imagine.

Indeed... one of the most anti democratic acts in UK history for a long while.

[C69]

Another kicking for the Tories in the West Lancs by election.
Labour's share of the vote up by over 10 percent.

[Insane_Homer]

Aussies getting properly bummed

[tabascoboy]

Aussies getting properly bummed

Er...wrong thread!

[Hal Jordan]

Aussies getting properly bummed

Er...wrong thread!

Gender or cricket thread?

[tabascoboy]

What a surprise...

[Hal Jordan]

She is an absolute piece of shit on the shoe of society.

[_Os_]

1. Imagine a situation where the state has misunderstood its own nationality laws for 20 years. That state has either wrongly issued passports to tens of thousands of people and will now have to take them back. Or has wrongly denied citizenship to tens of thousands of others.
2. Inevitably, it is the British state we're talking about. Those affected are children of EU citizens where the parent from whom British citizenship was derived did not have formal settled status. Children who can claim British citizenship from another parent are not affected.
3. Before 2 October 2000, the Home Office thought that all EU citizens living and working in the UK were "settled" for the purposes of British nationality law, therefore their children born in the UK after 1/1/83 were British.
4. The Home Office changed its mind with effect from 2 October 2000 and decided that EU citizens needed to have been granted indefinite leave to remain to be "settled". But the law had not changed, the Home Office just changed its interpretation of the law.
5. The High Court has found that the Home Office couldn't be right both before 2 October 2000 and after. Either those born between 1/1/83 and 31/12/20 were all not British or they all were British, irrespective of whether the parent had formal settled status.
6. The court decided that they were all not British. The Home Office had been wrongly recognising as British the affected children born before 2/10/00. Their status is now unclear. There may be an appeal, so this may not be the final word.
7. If the outcome stays the same, logic suggests they aren't in truth British citizens even though they may have been issued with passports. Passports are evidence of nationality, they don't confer it. Passports can be (and are) wrongly issued and then have to be withdrawn.
8. If the outcome is reversed (the Home Office was right before 2/10/00 and wrong after) then tens of thousands of children of EU citizens born since then were wrongly charged registration fees or denied citizenship. The parents would not have needed ILR or permanent residence.
9. My write up here. I'm not sure I've explained it clearly in this thread or in the blog post. It's a really complicated issue. But it looks like a monumental, epic screw up by the Home Office, which has simply buried its head in the sand for years.

https://freemovement.org.uk/high-court- ... -citizens/

Windrush MK2 is loading.

To be clear what this will mean, if it goes through. Anyone born in the UK to two EU citizen parents between 1983 and 2020, will be stripped of their British citizenship (because their parents would've been very unlikely to have ILR when they were born, as their parents would've been using free movement to come to the UK and not subject to visa control, IRL would be a pointless thing for them to get). What this will mean is potentially thousands of people in their adulthood who have only ever lived in the UK, will suddenly find themselves unable to work, unable to access benefits or the NHS, stateless, applying for non-UK citizenship (they may or may not qualify for), and having to prove they've lived in the UK for the past 5 years (that essentially depends on Home Office discretion regardless what evidence is provided) to acquire ILR in their new non-UK passport. The lead times on all those processes (potentially years), will simply mean some people without strong family/friend connections they can rely on (potentially for years) end up on the street or dead ... and I'm not exaggerating.

Immigration/citizenship law needs urgent attention in the UK, and not in the way Tory Home Secretaries bang on about. No one in the system (courts/Home Office/experts) really knows how it works and interpretation changes often, a total mess.

Purkiss is strongly anti-Tory, so not an unbiased source, but she's also too intelligent to be caught in a lie. If immigration law doesn't change this will become more common, people legally born in the UK who are British citizens by birth, being asked to prove it. Which means having to prove a parent was legally a UK resident when they were born. If they cannot do this, they will have to prove their ILR hasn't expired since birth (which means for their entire life proving they have not left the UK for too long a period). If they cannot prove their parents were legally resident when they were born, or that their ILR hasn't expired, then it's deportation or limbo. All the documents she'll require will be from decades ago and hard to come by. Purkiss seems to be applying for a British passport for the first time, but logically this process can be applied to someone with a British passport too (because if they cannot prove their parents were legal residents when they were born, then the passport was given to them in error).

Purkiss is obviously unfamiliar with this stuff if she thinks mere birth certificates (of her and her father), passports (hers), marriage certificate (hers), and NI number (hers), will be sufficient. She could end up supplying birth certificates (hers, both parents, grandparents, her husband's, any children she has), passports (all passports current and cancelled for her and both parents, current passport of husband), marriage certificate (hers, her parents, and maybe grandparents), death certificates (any dead parents and maybe grandparents), driving licence (hers, her parents, and maybe her husband's), NI numbers (hers, her parents, husband's), all education records from school/uni especially attendance records (hers), doctors records especially attendance (hers), all employment records especially letters stating years employed (hers), all tax records (hers, her parents, and maybe husband's), all bills (hers), UK and Italian criminal record check officially translated (hers, as her passport is Italian), letter from Italian tax authorities stating if and when she has paid tax there officially translated (hers, as her passport is Italian).

If it goes that route (it may not, there's a fast track for cases that get media attention), she'll end up making a huge folder of documents at cost to herself (getting new originals/certified copies/official English translations, of a mountain of documents gets extremely expensive) ... and then the Home Office will come back and ask for more. For example: The July 1975 payslip of her father, the receipts of her canteen meals at uni, her old polling card from the 2010 general election, and on and on

[Hal Jordan]

Just another day in the Department of Cruelty for Cruelty's Sake, a.k.a the Home Office.

[tabascoboy]

[SaintK]

Jusy another smarmy, entitled "posh boy" promoted waaaaay beyond his ability

[I like neeps]

Jusy another smarmy, entitled "posh boy" promoted waaaaay beyond his ability

Not true at all, Jenrick was caught giving sweetheart deals to Tory donors. His "abilities" are exactly what the Tories value.

[Tichtheid]

Jusy another smarmy, entitled "posh boy" promoted waaaaay beyond his ability

Not true at all, Jenrick was caught giving sweetheart deals to Tory donors. His "abilities" are exactly what the Tories value.

Ah yes, the Tory parliamentary equivalent of "Normal for Norfolk"

[Line6 HXFX]

Unless the Labour Party are going to get rid of the Bedroom Tax, the Two Child limit, child benefits thing, PIP, the threats and sanctions regime and universal credit, then for 10 million people there may as well be no change in government at all.

Life in the UK will still be a repressive, living nightmare, dictated by and for the Lee Andersons of this world.

[fishfoodie]

The unflushible turd is back !

Boris Johnson has warned Rishi Sunak that ditching the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill in favour of a new Brexit deal would be a “great mistake”.

In his first intervention on Brexit since leaving office, the former prime minister urged his successor not to tear up the legislation, which is seen by Brexiteers as the most important bargaining chip with the EU.

On Saturday night, a source close to Mr Johnson said: “His general thinking is that it would be a great mistake to drop the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill.”

The Bill allows the Government to rip up parts of the Northern Ireland Protocol, which would include ending the role of the European Court of Justice (ECJ). It is understood that Mr Sunak believes if he can secure a revised Brexit deal, he will no longer need the Bill.

Mr Johnson’s intervention points to a growing rebellion over Mr Sunak’s deal.
....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... exit-deal/

The good news is that he admits that he lied when he described the deal as, "Over Ready", & told the DUP there'd be no paperwork required to ship goods East to West ........ just kidding

Boris Johnson is understood to have agreed to buy a £4m nine-bedroom, Grade II-listed home in Oxfordshire.

The former prime minister and his wife, Carrie, have in recent weeks viewed a property in a picturesque village. The Guardian has been told they have now made an offer that has been accepted.

The house, which features its own moat, was listed for sale for “offers in excess of £4m”. It is not known how much Johnson has offered to pay for the house, which is now shown as “sold subject to contract”.

A spokesperson for Johnson said: “We never comment on matters such as living arrangements.”

The five-bathroom house dates back to the early 1600s and is set in almost five acres of grounds. Three sides of the grounds are bounded by a moat.

The move would add to speculation that Johnson is considering running for election in Oxfordshire rather than his existing seat of Uxbridge, a marginal in west London with a majority of 7,200.

The village is close to Johnson’s previous constituency of Henley, for which he served as MP between 2001 and 2008.
....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -with-moat

I'm kinda curious as to how he expects to get a nice cushy safe seat, after (i) he's repeatedly gone out of his way to shit the bed for the current Party Leader, (ii) he's showing his usual level of diligent representation of his current constituents, & (iii) the cunt is facing an inquiry that will probably find him guilty of lying to Parliament.

Boris Johnson has registered an advance payment of nearly £2.5m for speaking events, in his latest declaration of outside earnings.

It brings the former prime minister's declared income since leaving office last September to almost £4.8m.

He has previously recorded nearly £1.8m in speaking fees since his departure.

Mr Johnson has also registered a further £13,500 in accommodation from JCB boss Lord Bamford and his wife Carole for January and February.

It brings the total value of accommodation he has registered from the couple for him and his family since leaving Downing Street to £74,000.

The nearly £2.5m advance in his latest declaration is from the New York-based Harry Walker speaking agency, for an unspecified number of speeches.

It comes on top of almost £1.8m he has registered since leaving office for nine speeches delivered in the US, India, Portugal, the UK and Singapore.

As well as a £510,000 advance for his political memoirs from publisher HarperCollins, he has also declared £1,943 since leaving No 10 in royalty payments for previously written books.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64569598

This is the crook that wants a safe seat, & ultimately to get his fat arse back into Downing Street !

He has continually taken bribes though-out is career; because what else can you call it when a Politician takes money from wealthy individuals, & companies,for no apparent work ?

He gets advances for books that never get written, advances for speeches that may never happen, & if they do, they are the same recycled ones from ten years ago; & he gets gifts of free holidays, free accommodation, free re-decoration, free expensive catering.

The list is endless, & there's never any consequences.

[tabascoboy]

Potentially a good move from Labour, especially if the Tories tear themselves apart in the process

[dpedin]

The unflushible turd is back !

Boris Johnson has warned Rishi Sunak that ditching the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill in favour of a new Brexit deal would be a “great mistake”.

In his first intervention on Brexit since leaving office, the former prime minister urged his successor not to tear up the legislation, which is seen by Brexiteers as the most important bargaining chip with the EU.

On Saturday night, a source close to Mr Johnson said: “His general thinking is that it would be a great mistake to drop the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill.”

The Bill allows the Government to rip up parts of the Northern Ireland Protocol, which would include ending the role of the European Court of Justice (ECJ). It is understood that Mr Sunak believes if he can secure a revised Brexit deal, he will no longer need the Bill.

Mr Johnson’s intervention points to a growing rebellion over Mr Sunak’s deal.
....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... exit-deal/

The good news is that he admits that he lied when he described the deal as, "Over Ready", & told the DUP there'd be no paperwork required to ship goods East to West ........ just kidding

Boris Johnson is understood to have agreed to buy a £4m nine-bedroom, Grade II-listed home in Oxfordshire.

The former prime minister and his wife, Carrie, have in recent weeks viewed a property in a picturesque village. The Guardian has been told they have now made an offer that has been accepted.

The house, which features its own moat, was listed for sale for “offers in excess of £4m”. It is not known how much Johnson has offered to pay for the house, which is now shown as “sold subject to contract”.

A spokesperson for Johnson said: “We never comment on matters such as living arrangements.”

The five-bathroom house dates back to the early 1600s and is set in almost five acres of grounds. Three sides of the grounds are bounded by a moat.

The move would add to speculation that Johnson is considering running for election in Oxfordshire rather than his existing seat of Uxbridge, a marginal in west London with a majority of 7,200.

The village is close to Johnson’s previous constituency of Henley, for which he served as MP between 2001 and 2008.
....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -with-moat

I'm kinda curious as to how he expects to get a nice cushy safe seat, after (i) he's repeatedly gone out of his way to shit the bed for the current Party Leader, (ii) he's showing his usual level of diligent representation of his current constituents, & (iii) the cunt is facing an inquiry that will probably find him guilty of lying to Parliament.

Boris Johnson has registered an advance payment of nearly £2.5m for speaking events, in his latest declaration of outside earnings.

It brings the former prime minister's declared income since leaving office last September to almost £4.8m.

He has previously recorded nearly £1.8m in speaking fees since his departure.

Mr Johnson has also registered a further £13,500 in accommodation from JCB boss Lord Bamford and his wife Carole for January and February.

It brings the total value of accommodation he has registered from the couple for him and his family since leaving Downing Street to £74,000.

The nearly £2.5m advance in his latest declaration is from the New York-based Harry Walker speaking agency, for an unspecified number of speeches.

It comes on top of almost £1.8m he has registered since leaving office for nine speeches delivered in the US, India, Portugal, the UK and Singapore.

As well as a £510,000 advance for his political memoirs from publisher HarperCollins, he has also declared £1,943 since leaving No 10 in royalty payments for previously written books.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64569598

This is the crook that wants a safe seat, & ultimately to get his fat arse back into Downing Street !

He has continually taken bribes though-out is career; because what else can you call it when a Politician takes money from wealthy individuals, & companies,for no apparent work ?

He gets advances for books that never get written, advances for speeches that may never happen, & if they do, they are the same recycled ones from ten years ago; & he gets gifts of free holidays, free accommodation, free re-decoration, free expensive catering.

The list is endless, & there's never any consequences.

I wouldn't let him entry into the house until all the paperwork had been signed in blood and all the agreed monies had been transferred and cleared by numerous banks. I would also want a guarantor for any unpaid monies etc. He is as crooked as they come.

[Hal Jordan]

Those abortions, injunctions, divorces, child maintenance and hush money payments must be a terrible drain on his purse.

[C69]

Potentially a good move from Labour, especially if the Tories tear themselves apart in the process

Boris is fecking fing and warning Sunak of dire consequences.


Which is nice

[petej]

I'm kind of expecting Boris to turn on Brexit at some point. That point being when it is most advantageous for him to do so.

[fishfoodie]

Those abortions, injunctions, divorces, child maintenance and hush money payments must be a terrible drain on his purse.

He now needs a new shag pad in Londinium too, because unless Princess NutNut cuts them off, he'll be back to his old habits by now.

[tabascoboy]

Rifts opening up...

[_Os_]

Sunak isn't very good at politics. Armchair ride to the top, safe Tory seat, lost a leadership contest against a moron, and still ended up PM.

He's got his name in the history books already. The Tories are fucked, both in council elections and the coming GE. So what does he have to lose really? He should tell the hard right to fuck off, push through his NI deal, purge the crazies and no hopers by sending them to the backbenches and replace them with MPs no one has heard of (which no one can have a negative opinion on), push for maximum punishment of Big Dog through the privileges process make him pay his own legal fees and block him getting a safe seat next GE (basically politically kill a rival while he can).

He's gone in the next two years anyway, he may as well try and do something, put up a fight at least. Instead Big Dog seems to think he has a shot at a come back this year, and he's in the same NI/GFA/ERG/DUP trap as his predecessors ended up in when everyone knows that story will end in the ERG/DUP getting nothing and being told to fuck off.

If he fails to push this NI deal through he'll look incredibly weak, dead man walking after council elections. Then the return of Big Dog I guess.

[GogLais]

Rifts opening up...

Serves Sunak right for being stupid/weak enough to re-appoint her as Home Sec.

[SaintK]

This is fucking scandalous! There are more Tory MP's currently suspended than people who have been prosecuted for Voter ID fraud!

The government is ignoring opposition calls to pause voter ID plans after research by the Electoral Commission revealed that only 1 per cent – 21,300 people – without valid ID have signed up for a voter authority certificate that would allow them to vote. May's local elections will be the first time that voters will be required to show photo ID. Two million people may be prevented from voting

[tabascoboy]

This is fucking scandalous! There are more Tory MP's currently suspended than people who have been prosecuted for Voter ID fraud!

The government is ignoring opposition calls to pause voter ID plans after research by the Electoral Commission revealed that only 1 per cent – 21,300 people – without valid ID have signed up for a voter authority certificate that would allow them to vote. May's local elections will be the first time that voters will be required to show photo ID. Two million people may be prevented from voting

[dpedin]

This is fucking scandalous! There are more Tory MP's currently suspended than people who have been prosecuted for Voter ID fraud!

The government is ignoring opposition calls to pause voter ID plans after research by the Electoral Commission revealed that only 1 per cent – 21,300 people – without valid ID have signed up for a voter authority certificate that would allow them to vote. May's local elections will be the first time that voters will be required to show photo ID. Two million people may be prevented from voting

Once you accept they are a shower of cheating, immoral, crooked racist cunts then everything they do and say makes sense.

[Hal Jordan]

Gullies getting absolutely schooled on asylum, but he got his soundbite question in and that's all.that matters.

https://twitter.com/ZoeJardiniere/statu ... _hf-A&s=19

[SaintK]

Gullies getting absolutely schooled on asylum, but he got his soundbite question in and that's all.that matters.

https://twitter.com/ZoeJardiniere/statu ... _hf-A&s=19

Gullis is an utter shitstain of an MP. To think he was once a school headmaster

[SaintK]

How not to get the core farming vote on your side

Thérèse Coffey, the environment secretary, has been booed by a roomful of farmers during a robust question and answer session.

She was responding to NFU president Minette Batters, who said there has been a “market failure” in pork and eggs, with farms going out of business. Readers may have seen empty egg shelves in the supermarkets; this is due to the loss of a million laying hens as high costs and avian flu means farmers have left the industry.

Coffey rather snappily said “there is not a market failure, Minette”, prompting Batters to respond: “Is losing a million hens not a market failure?”

Batters is popular among her members, so this inspired a loud boo.

Extraordinarily, Coffey then took charge of proceedings, cut the NFU president off, and said she wished to take a question from a farm manager from a nearby constituency, Jake Fiennes, and said “it’s not my problem if the NFU cannot start on time”, referencing the fact her session started ten minutes late.

[Sandstorm]

Meh, I (and the rest of the world) am flabbergasted that Brits can wander around for decades without a proper ID. Everywhere else it’s mandatory and everyone just gets one.

If it now means that those same people can’t vote, tough shit.

[C T]

How not to get the core farming vote on your side

Thérèse Coffey, the environment secretary, has been booed by a roomful of farmers during a robust question and answer session.

She was responding to NFU president Minette Batters, who said there has been a “market failure” in pork and eggs, with farms going out of business. Readers may have seen empty egg shelves in the supermarkets; this is due to the loss of a million laying hens as high costs and avian flu means farmers have left the industry.

Coffey rather snappily said “there is not a market failure, Minette”, prompting Batters to respond: “Is losing a million hens not a market failure?”

Batters is popular among her members, so this inspired a loud boo.

Extraordinarily, Coffey then took charge of proceedings, cut the NFU president off, and said she wished to take a question from a farm manager from a nearby constituency, Jake Fiennes, and said “it’s not my problem if the NFU cannot start on time”, referencing the fact her session started ten minutes late.

I believe that she would be out of her depth in a low-mid management meeting in most work places. A cabinet minister.

[GogLais]

Meh, I (and the rest of the world) am flabbergasted that Brits can wander around for decades without a proper ID. Everywhere else it’s mandatory and everyone just gets one.

If it now means that those same people can’t vote, tough shit.

Same. The same debate in the states has baffled me. Having a debate how you support the poor getting ID is understandable

Should be free if you can’t vote without one. Arguably.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Meh, I (and the rest of the world) am flabbergasted that Brits can wander around for decades without a proper ID. Everywhere else it’s mandatory and everyone just gets one.

If it now means that those same people can’t vote, tough shit.

When I have voted, I wander in to the polling station, tell them my name and address and get handed a voting form.

When collecting a package from the post office last month, I was asked for ID for the first time ever.

I guess things are tightening up.

[Mahoney]

Gullies getting absolutely schooled on asylum, but he got his soundbite question in and that's all.that matters.

https://twitter.com/ZoeJardiniere/statu ... _hf-A&s=19

Gullis is an utter shitstain of an MP. To think he was once a school headmaster

He wasn't a headmaster, just head of year 9.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Meh, I (and the rest of the world) am flabbergasted that Brits can wander around for decades without a proper ID. Everywhere else it’s mandatory and everyone just gets one.

If it now means that those same people can’t vote, tough shit.

There's scant evidence of fraudulent voting at polling stations so requiring ID to vote there seems questionable, and it will likely encourage people in lower socio economic groups to not bother voting, and maybe that's the point.

Where we do have fraud in our system is in postal voting, and interestingly if you want to vote without ID you can apply for a postal vote, so the express intent of the change will dissuade on balance some number of poorer people from voting and expand the prospects for fraud in our voting system. Welcome to Tories at work

[sockwithaticket]

Meh, I (and the rest of the world) am flabbergasted that Brits can wander around for decades without a proper ID. Everywhere else it’s mandatory and everyone just gets one.

If it now means that those same people can’t vote, tough shit.

Same. The same debate in the states has baffled me. Having a debate how you support the poor getting ID is understandable

It's covered on the previous page really, it's a solution looking for a problem and the implementation of it, with some types of ID being valid or invalid depending on your age, is nakedly politicised, clearly hoping to exclude some people who are least likely to vote Conservative.

[SaintK]

Gullies getting absolutely schooled on asylum, but he got his soundbite question in and that's all.that matters.

https://twitter.com/ZoeJardiniere/statu ... _hf-A&s=19

Gullis is an utter shitstain of an MP. To think he was once a school headmaster

He wasn't a headmaster, just head of year 9.

Still a complete shitstain mind.